LA LA Land Bullshit and Fight Club

[QUOTE=DHorn420;4097476]I feel that dude's that are scared to show I'd are either insecure of their looks or got some nefarious intentions. I've shown countless K-agencies my I'd and not once have I ever had any issues.[/QUOTE]Dude this is the hobby that your private life is secert you come here to have fun you see k-girls to have fun. But dude if your going to give ho's and massage parlor your personnel info your a fool, because if they have a copy of that info and get busted with the new laws around the country they are a victim and you are the reason she is a victim. LOL. The bottom line is 90% of the guys on here are happy married or in a relationship but need a little fun that they're not getting at home. Shit dude give them your credit card number the next time since you are so trusting.

[QUOTE=DHorn420;4099065]That's exactly what I was thinking. Sounds like nothing but just trying to spread fear or the story is being passed around by word of mouth and was made with alot inconsistencies. LE have nothing on you unless they have video or audio of anything illegal being done. Good luck trying to prove the case in front of judge with just texts LOL.[/QUOTE]Your basic instincts are true; it is likely possible that if a prosecutor was to present a case solely made up of text messages, a judge may be tempted to toss the matter out in its entirety. But prosecutor's can use circumstantial eveidence in a criminal case against you; text messages material to the charged offense may be deemed relevant and admitted into evidence. Now if you take evidence of your text messages, plus evidence uncovered from material the booker stored, things may get a little dicey. And in the end, it may be true that charges will ultimately be dropped against you, but it is not as black and white as your comment makes it seem. An over zealous prosecutor may very well still move forward with the matter, and then it's a matter of connecting the dots.

[QUOTE=HapaBoy86;4099465]YOu have no idea what a booker keeps on a client! You just think that you can text the booker and get the okay. Booker needs to verify through refs, work info or cdl or other means?

He / she will write down on how your we're verified or such. Le gets a hold of the texts, email and notes during a raid is how le gets alot of info flips the booker or owner.

If you think you deleting a text won't be found? Wrong, all texts are stored in cell carrier database. If le wants to subpoena it they can and it will show you're entire history of who, what, a why you text a #.

Technology is scary now these days![/QUOTE]I agree. It's true, very true. Soem booker keep info from girls, dude's hygiene, attitude, what he wore, and many other things which can indentify dude (s) other than face (pic).

[QUOTE=DHorn420;4097476]I feel that dude's that are scared to show I'd are either insecure of their looks or got some nefarious intentions. I've shown countless K-agencies my I'd and not once have I ever had any issues.[/QUOTE]Bette to be paranoid when it comes to one's own identity. All about privacy. I only carry car key with others keys and hobby phone when visiting any provider, even mp's.

[QUOTE=Slideryyz;4099866]Bette to be paranoid when it comes to one's own identity. All about privacy. I only carry car key with others keys and hobby phone when visiting any provider, even mp's.[/QUOTE]If you have been in this game long enough, you should get yourself a monger I'd. Always use a monger phone and monger I'd, maybe monger money if it's available.

[QUOTE=HapaBoy86;4099465]YOu have no idea what a booker keeps on a client! You just think that you can text the booker and get the okay. Booker needs to verify through refs, work info or cdl or other means?

He / she will write down on how your we're verified or such. Le gets a hold of the texts, email and notes during a raid is how le gets alot of info flips the booker or owner.

If you think you deleting a text won't be found? Wrong, all texts are stored in cell carrier database. If le wants to subpoena it they can and it will show you're entire history of who, what, a why you text a #.

Technology is scary now these days![/QUOTE]Here is a very nice chart of what the cell carrier keeps and doesn't. Although the chart was compiled some 8 years ago, I sort of doubt that has changed all that much.

[URL]https://www.aclu.org/cell-phone-location-tracking-request-response-cell-phone-company-data-retention-chart[/URL]

[QUOTE=Hornilius69;4099906]If you have been in this game long enough, you should get yourself a monger I'd. Always use a monger phone and monger I'd, maybe monger money if it's available.[/QUOTE]Monger money was a good investment about a decade ago, but I'm afraid that bubble is about to burst. Going to be as worthless as a handful of rial.

[QUOTE=Crimsonquiggs;4100578]Monger money was a good investment about a decade ago, but I'm afraid that bubble is about to burst. Going to be as worthless as a handful of rial.[/QUOTE]Monger money still no problem here. No busted or arrested.

[QUOTE=Hornilius69;4099906]If you have been in this game long enough, you should get yourself a monger I'd. Always use a monger phone and monger I'd, maybe monger money if it's available.[/QUOTE]I have been for two things and I don't even park my car in thier parking space, on the street at least two blocks away. Monger money? Not sure what you meant. Always use cash ayways.

Some jerk saw BB today and left $27 in the envelope and bolted. He is Level 3 on HX. Stue is his handle. These are the assholes that make it tough for the girls and for us.

[QUOTE=Slideryyz;4099866]Bette to be paranoid when it comes to one's own identity. All about privacy. I only carry car key with others keys and hobby phone when visiting any provider, even mp's.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I agree. Better safe than being blackmailed to bankruptcy too. That, or the drama.

[QUOTE=HapaBoy86;4099465]YOu have no idea what a booker keeps on a client! You just think that you can text the booker and get the okay. Booker needs to verify through refs, work info or cdl or other means?

He / she will write down on how your we're verified or such. Le gets a hold of the texts, email and notes during a raid is how le gets alot of info flips the booker or owner.

If you think you deleting a text won't be found? Wrong, all texts are stored in cell carrier database. If le wants to subpoena it they can and it will show you're entire history of who, what, a why you text a #.

Technology is scary now these days![/QUOTE]Pro bookers don't keep anything. After checking you are either in or out. When you are in, you are like in a digital little black book. Text are limited to when and where and who. Other communications are offshore webpages and PM or encrypted. They don't answer anything to overexpose themselves. For the classic escorts, you may ask them directly, not on the booker's channel. Basically, that's how HX works.

They treat text as if they are being wiretapped.

The indies do keep a lot of things. But they know they have to be careful because what they keep is also evidence against them. But the chance of busting an individual is a lot lower than busting a busy booker or the whole website.

I did send my I'd once or twice when I was desperate. They know where to find you and beat you up if you cause trouble. So they are not going to risk themselves by beating everybody up for nothing, I can just avoid causing trouble. Blackmailing is a bit difficult with just the I'd. The pros need to target specific people who is vulnerable to blackmail and need to provide embarrassing proof like pictures. If a business is busy selling sex, the odds that they pick a stranger to blackmail is low. The same thing for the license plate. Yes, you parked there. So what?

[QUOTE=Toungsten;4597726] I always said looks are YMMV. There is cute and pretty and then there is sexy looking and that is where Sera is deadly with a body to die for and skills that you may never recover from. Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]At Toungsten. Curious on why you think that every post from anyone is directed toward you or about what you might have said about someone look? I don't believe that I referenced you in my past two comments about LA Sera.

My post about Sera look was simply my own opinion and just a different perspective and if you find her that attractive, go book her as many times as you want and as often as you want.

[QUOTE=Jack926;4597772]At Toungsten. Curious on why you think that every post from anyone is directed toward you or about what you might have said about someone look? I don't believe that I referenced you in my past two comments about LA Sera.

My post about Sera look was simply my own opinion and just a different perspective and if you find her that attractive, go book her as many times as you want and as often as you want.[/QUOTE]This forum promotes dialogues and not monologues. You may have your perspective and I have mine. Obviously my perspective offends your sensibilities. I never took your post as being directed toward me but I want to give another perspective which is what we're here for. Isn't it? If you read my response objectively you would realize that. I didn't mention your perspective and didn't say your were wrong or off base. Just gave my opinion. Did you take issue with the other posts that seem to agree with me. We've all got opinions. Don't be so sensitive.

[QUOTE=Toungsten;4639183]DFK from the door all the way to the bedroom. Taking off my clothes and she does a super sexy striptease. A preview standing BBBJ at the foot of the bed. Then she gets on all fours on the bed inviting me to DATY her in doggy as she looks in the huge mirror to the side and is playing with herself and moaning as I get my tongue in there and finger up her ass.

She goes nuts. She spins around and starts DFKing me like crazy and giving me a HJ that turns into a BBBJ from heaven. I tell her I am going to cum. She slyly looks up at me. "Ok in mouth", or you want shower?" I told her shower because I wanted to last.

She takes me by the hand into the bathroom. Blue toast and her bends over to turn on the bath taps and puts her foot up and looks back at me. "You like my pussy honey?" I drop to my knees on her bathmat and start licking her again as she braces herself against the bath wall. "You good honey. ".

We get in the shower and she does more DFK, wants me to pinch her fabulous nipples and to take them in my mouth. She does a great BBBJ on me again and washes up my ass crack and then does the best rimming I have ever had. I couldn't hold on any more. I turned around and took her by her head and lead her mouth to my cock and I face fucked her until I blew in her mouth. She made all kinds of joyful sounds as if she was tasting the best soup in a fancy restaurant. When I was done she opened her mouth for me to see my cum. She spat it out onto her tits and smeared it around and onto her nipples. She got up and put her nipples into my mouth so I could taste my own stuff. She washed us off and we went to the bedroom.

She had me like face down and started a really nice massage swirling her tits and tongue all over my neck, ears and back. When she got to my ass the great rimming continued. I arched up my back so She could get to my cock. She sucked on my balls as she gave me a HJ. I got hard soon and flipped over.

She pulled out the cover and we were off with CG, ACG, RCG and onto doggy.

I wanted to finish in Missionary and she was happy to comply. She was pumping away like crazy in perfect timing with my thrusts and she was moaning and sucking on my tongue when I blew in the bag. I think we came together. I collapsed on top of her in a sweaty heap.

She offered me another shower. I accepted and she took me in for final rinse and sucked on my floppy cock for a few more minutes and she took it in her hands and talked to it telling it to come back soon and see her. "Maybe tomorrow. " She said with a laugh.

She dried me off and walked me to the door with more tickling and groping and kissing.

I sure didn't want to leave. Going down the elevator I was still smiling. Wow! Me and my cock will definitely be back. Thank you Erin.

He door magically opened as they say and there she was. A sight to behold in lingerie. Some lfk at the door as we struggled to get my backpack off and put my motorcycle helmet down on the table. She giggled and made some motorcycle engine sounds with lots of tongue and spit just like a kid in a sandbox. She pretended to be riding a bike and humping on the seat with an eye look in her eye.

She lead me into her bedroom and closed the door. (I think she has a roommate.) Then the DFK started as she stripped me down and hung up my clothes on her door. Once I was naked with my giant hard on sticking out. She takes it in her hand and pretends it is a handlebar grip and twisting her hand around it to rev the engine with more engine sound effects. Then she starts sucking first slow and then faster and then slow and faster in keeping with her sounds each time she came up for a breath.

She pushes me onto the bed and straddles me. As she takes off her bra and pulls out her magnificent tits and dry humps me and she does more DFK and sucking my nipples. Then she gives her tits to me to suck. She holds them up for me as I grab her ass. I roll her over and rip off her panties and she spreads her legs for me to DATY. Great and really wet. I move up for more titty sucking and DFK. I try to slip in for some PSE she lets me go in a little bit but as I push to really get in. She holds me back and says shower.

We go to the bathroom for the blue toast and into the tub. She rinses me off great. Lots of DFK and preview BBBJ and cleans up my ass. She rims me and I am going crazy. She DFKs me and starts a hand job and puts her leg up to get me to stick my cock in. She takes me cock head and rubs it all over her clit and she is loving it. We fuck now she says.

We do to the bedroom and I lie on my back. OMG. Mind blowing BBBJ then into 69. She sits on my face. We slip on the cover and go at it CG, ACG, RCG and on to doggy. I lose it in the bag of course.

We rest for round two. We start some kissing and BBBJ to get me hard and I ask for CIM she agrees and goes to town on me and I blow in her mouth. She slurps it all and smiles. As she goes to the bathroom she does more motorcycle engine sounds and I think she is gargling with my cum. She spits it out and comes back with two blue toast cups. We rinse and spit in the cups and she tosses them. She comes back for some cuddling and she runs her fingers through my chest hair and I promise to come back and see her. She says, "Good. ".

She dresses me and lots of kisses to the door and she heaves on my backpack and tries on my helmet. I ask if she would like to go for a ride sometime and she says ok. That surprised me. She says she had a motorcycle in Korea. Cool. Definitely one of best out there. I will be repeating.

What can I say that hasn't been stated before.

Erin opened the door looking great in sexy Lingerie. She gave me a big hug and I was already excited as we wondered into the recreation room.

We both get comfortable, blue toast, shower and BBBJ preview. I dry off and Erin escorts me into back into the room for action. She asks me to lie face down and starts a sensual massage paying great attention to Mr. Happy before starting a nice rimming session.

I flip for a BBBJ and Erin moves her way to DATY. This slowly turns into 69 and back to DATY.

I am ready for the main event which start in MISH, doggy and we progress to CG where I finish round 1. Erin looking amazing and all I am thinking is life's good. Erin cleans up and asks I I want a massage.

She starts another nice sensual massage and I am ready for round 2.

Erin's says, "looks like you are ready" and starts a BBBJ then I finish with a HJ.

Erin looks great with amazing service.

I highly recommend.[/QUOTE]

LMAO :) Who wrote that novel or review? Is that from Mufftime, Divadiver or you? Gee I forgot that they are the same person. As they say, there is a sucker for every pussy. And I don't wear glasses yet; haven got to that age yet.

[QUOTE=Jack926;4639312]LMAO :) Who wrote that novel or review? Is that from Mufftime, Divadiver or you? Gee I forgot that they are the same person. As they say, there is a sucker for every pussy. And I don't wear glasses yet; haven got to that age yet.[/QUOTE]Actually the sucker is you. I just pulled the three most recent reviews of Erin and none from me. Your assumption about Erin is being provem completely false and your assumption about me is just as false. Remember when you assume you make an ass out of yourself and not me. Go read those reviews. They are the most recent and here's one from someone with 90 reviews and one from someone with six. I know you're stuck on this thing that young guys are more particular about looks. Well, when I was younger I was particular too. I didn't have to pay for sex.

Erin is the girl in the pic. Open the door and see a cute faced aged gal. Gives me enthusiastic hug and kiss at the door. Preview of BBBJ in the shower. And lay face down on the bed. Licks everywhere with light rimming. Flip. More BBBJ, cg, rcg, mish and finish in doggie. Chit chat for a bit and round two. Went straight to doggie and finished. She provides great service and chit chat is quite fun. Fun time with her.

OR THIS ONE.

Another visit to my new fav in K-Town. I notice guys describe their dates in their reviews as either a GND or a long lost lover or a sex crazed teenager nympho. I think Erin is all that and more.

I got to the super familiar building in MW. I am so frequent here with the ladies that I don't take the elevator any more. I take the stairs. Why? Well, I was going up to see a new girl on my list when the provider I just saw a couple of days before was coming out of the elevator, as I was going in. (I had promised her that I would come and see her again. Luckily she kept her head down and didn't recognize me, but it was an awkward moment.).

Any way, I bound up the stairs and get to her door. It magically opens as it always does. Very subtle lighting with red light bulbs. Dark and inviting.

She is wearing a new sexy lingerie outfit. (Well, new for me. Maybe she has worn it for some of you guys.) We grope at the door as we always do. Lots of DFK, giggling and tearing to get my clothes off quickly. I was wearing a tee-shirt and she pulled it up to get to my nipples. As I was pulling the shirt completely off she was sucking on my nipples and fumbling at my belt to get it off.

I turned her around and she thought we were going to do doggy at the door but I picked her up and carried her to her bed. She was giggling. She pointed at the door and I went back to close her bedroom door. When I turned back to her she was standing up on her bed facing me pushing off her panties. I watched as she moved to the music (K-Pop I think) and began biting her lower lip and rubbing her pussy with one hand while she moved the other in the air as if she was getting into the music. I was mesmerized. She opened her eyes and looked at me as if she was close to orgasm and said, "Come. ".

I moved over with my dick standing up like a flagpole in my pants. She held out her hand and we both stood up on her bed and did a standing grope striptease. We tossed my clothes to the couch and she then went down on me on her knees. I was admiring her body and technique in her giant mirror. She saw me and stopped as if she was caught "red handed" She pulled her mouth off and looked at me all innocent in the mirror. "You like?" I said, "Yes" in a very gaspy voice. Talk about your rhetorical question.

She carried on with a smile at the corner of her mouth. I felt like I was going to pop so I stopped her.

"Shower", she said and I agreed we went into the bathroom did the blue toast and into the tub we went.

She showered every crack as usual. Lots of DFK and HJ and BBBJ. I returned the favor on her with DATY. I love the way she ups her leg up on the tub so you get full access to that beautiful puffy lipped pussy. I think when she gets horny the increased blood flow puffs them up. It is awesome to see. And I love her nipples. Most Korean girls have ones that are like a nice ripe strawberry. Erin's nipples are like baby bottle nipples. There's the part that stands up in the middle to suck on and then the huge areola that surrounds it. A real turn on for breast men like me.

Got out and she led the way. By the time I toweled off she was doing her belly dance with a see-through veil. She lay on the bed and I attacked her pussy with DATY. I love to watch her try to hide her orgasm by draping the veil over her face. I can see the expression on her face. After she Oed.

I move up her for DFK. She rolls me over for my turn BBBJ out of this world which evolves into 69 with some slight rimming. She can tell I am ready to pop. She grabs the bag and slips it on. We start in CG, ACG, RCG and then over into doggy. I can't stand it and blow.

She dances away with the condom and then comes dancing back with a hot towel. She cleans me up. She does her belly dance beside the bed and her moves are awesome. She takes my hand and puts it between her legs. She is soaking wet. She removes my hand and then goes full DFK on me again as her hands reach under the towel to give me a HJ.

I get hard again and she goes down on me for a BBBJ with lots of eye contact. She gets the rubber on again and moves up my body to licking my belly and chest and then my nipples for more DFK. I push her to the side and then I mount her in missionary. I am hammering away with lots of DFK as she wraps her legs around me and we explode together.

I manage to get dressed with her help and do some more kissing to the door. With my knees all rubbery I manage to make my way down the stairs holding on to the handrail. Luckily I am not seen by my other conquests in this building. If they saw me they would know for sure that I just had the time of my life. It would be that obvious.

Erin definitely takes the Korean K-Girl routine up an extra level with the dance show. Definitely put her on your dance card.

Wait that's not the quote. It's Actually assume is ass. You. Me. Not "not me" LOL its not assunotme. Don't try to exclude yourself T LOL.

[QUOTE=Toungsten;4639443]Actually the sucker is you. I just pulled the three most recent reviews of Erin and none from me. Your assumption about Erin is being provem completely false and your assumption about me is just as false. Remember when you assume you make an ass out of yourself and not me. Go read those reviews. They are the most recent and here's one from someone with 90 reviews and one from someone with six. I know you're stuck on this thing that young guys are more particular about looks. Well, when I was younger I was particular too. I didn't have to pay for sex.

Erin is the girl in the pic. Open the door and see a cute faced aged gal. Gives me enthusiastic hug and kiss at the door. Preview of BBBJ in the shower. And lay face down on the bed. Licks everywhere with light rimming. Flip. More BBBJ, cg, rcg, mish and finish in doggie. Chit chat for a bit and round two. Went straight to doggie and finished. She provides great service and chit chat is quite fun. Fun time with her.

OR THIS ONE.

Another visit to my new fav in K-Town. I notice guys describe their dates in their reviews as either a GND or a long lost lover or a sex crazed teenager nympho. I think Erin is all that and more.

I got to the super familiar building in MW. I am so frequent here with the ladies that I don't take the elevator any more. I take the stairs. Why? Well, I was going up to see a new girl on my list when the provider I just saw a couple of days before was coming out of the elevator, as I was going in. (I had promised her that I would come and see her again. Luckily she kept her head down and didn't recognize me, but it was an awkward moment.).

Any way, I bound up the stairs and get to her door. It magically opens as it always does. Very subtle lighting with red light bulbs. Dark and inviting.

She is wearing a new sexy lingerie outfit. (Well, new for me. Maybe she has worn it for some of you guys.) We grope at the door as we always do. Lots of DFK, giggling and tearing to get my clothes off quickly. I was wearing a tee-shirt and she pulled it up to get to my nipples. As I was pulling the shirt completely off she was sucking on my nipples and fumbling at my belt to get it off.

I turned her around and she thought we were going to do doggy at the door but I picked her up and carried her to her bed. She was giggling. She pointed at the door and I went back to close her bedroom door. When I turned back to her she was standing up on her bed facing me pushing off her panties. I watched as she moved to the music (K-Pop I think) and began biting her lower lip and rubbing her pussy with one hand while she moved the other in the air as if she was getting into the music. I was mesmerized. She opened her eyes and looked at me as if she was close to orgasm and said, "Come. ".

I moved over with my dick standing up like a flagpole in my pants. She held out her hand and we both stood up on her bed and did a standing grope striptease. We tossed my clothes to the couch and she then went down on me on her knees. I was admiring her body and technique in her giant mirror. She saw me and stopped as if she was caught "red handed" She pulled her mouth off and looked at me all innocent in the mirror. "You like?" I said, "Yes" in a very gaspy voice. Talk about your rhetorical question...[/QUOTE]

It is time for some moderation.

[QUOTE=Punter3;4639592]It is time for some moderation.[/QUOTE]Christophe1 is more lax. A2 is the one to reach out too. My previous handle rickzey got banned because of my fighting and stupid comments. And it was only a couple of posts. If you look thru history, I'm a senior member too. Ayyyy I regret my stupidity. Anyway, hey A2! Time to lay down the law between toungsten and the others over here. It's disrupting meaningful posts.

You guys should just f'k it out and make up already. Focus people. Get back to the program. Suck, fuck and review. Repeat. Jesus.

[QUOTE=Toungsten;4639443]Actually the sucker is you. I just pulled the three most recent reviews of Erin and none from me. Your assumption about Erin is being provem completely false and your assumption about me is just as false. Remember when you assume you make an ass out of yourself and not me. Go read those reviews. They are the most recent and here's one from someone with 90 reviews and one from someone with six. I know you're stuck on this thing that young guys are more particular about looks. Well, when I was younger I was particular too. I didn't have to pay for sex.

Erin is the girl in the pic. Open the door and see a cute faced aged gal. Gives me enthusiastic hug and kiss at the door. Preview of BBBJ in the shower. And lay face down on the bed. Licks everywhere with light rimming. Flip. More BBBJ, cg, rcg, mish and finish in doggie. Chit chat for a bit and round two. Went straight to doggie and finished. She provides great service and chit chat is quite fun. Fun time with her.

OR THIS ONE.

Another visit to my new fav in K-Town. I notice guys describe their dates in their reviews as either a GND or a long lost lover or a sex crazed teenager nympho. I think Erin is all that and more.

I got to the super familiar building in MW. I am so frequent here with the ladies that I don't take the elevator any more. I take the stairs. Why? Well, I was going up to see a new girl on my list when the provider I just saw a couple of days before was coming out of the elevator, as I was going in. (I had promised her that I would come and see her again. Luckily she kept her head down and didn't recognize me, but it was an awkward moment.).

Any way, I bound up the stairs and get to her door. It magically opens as it always does. Very subtle lighting with red light bulbs. Dark and inviting.

She is wearing a new sexy lingerie outfit. (Well, new for me. Maybe she has worn it for some of you guys.) We grope at the door as we always do. Lots of DFK, giggling and tearing to get my clothes off quickly. I was wearing a tee-shirt and she pulled it up to get to my nipples. As I was pulling the shirt completely off she was sucking on my nipples and fumbling at my belt to get it off..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Punter3;4639592]It is time for some moderation.[/QUOTE]Hi,

Please let me know the 5 Ws so I can review the information necessary to formulate the proper decision.

Happy Hoing.

[QUOTE=Christophe1;4641204]Hi,

Please let me know the 5 Ws so I can review the information necessary to formulate the proper decision.

Happy Hoing.[/QUOTE]Christophe1 is the best. I miss hearing his escapades. Hope you are doing good. Let's all move on and enjoy hunting.

[QUOTE=Christophe1;4641204]Hi,

Please let me know the 5 Ws so I can review the information necessary to formulate the proper decision.

Happy Hoing.[/QUOTE]I, also l, want to point out, I own 100's of thousands of dollars in Korea. Once a year me or mini me goes there.

I really wish our greatest allies were useful, but honest people can decipher, the truth.

They want to use you. You are losers, weak.

I get it. They look in the mirror and need to deflect.

[QUOTE=HeavySetD;4653414]BB is always possible regardless of tip. I've gotten BB from countless girls who are known for strict CFS, never had to tip, not once. But I think the main message Mr. ILKG was letting everyone know is not tip these girls as so the inflation stops. Girls are already getting paid pretty well.[/QUOTE]Good information, I have been pissing money away with tips that are totally disregarded. I doubt they will ever list "gratuity included" for punters like me. In some countries tipping is even an insult, but in places like Thailand everybody has their hand out. I really thought 15 to 20 percent was standard here so thanks for straightening me out! Whether it's true or not, according to wick the reasons for tipping are.

Showing off.

To supplement the server's income and make them happy.

For improved future service.

To avoid disapproval from the server.

A sense of duty.

[QUOTE=LastCall;4654195]Good information, I have been pissing money away with tips that are totally disregarded. I doubt they will ever list "gratuity included" for punters like me. In some countries tipping is even an insult, but in places like Thailand everybody has their hand out. I really thought 15 to 20 percent was standard here so thanks for straightening me out! Whether it's true or not, according to wick the reasons for tipping are.

Showing off.

To supplement the server's income and make them happy.

For improved future service.

To avoid disapproval from the server.

A sense of duty.[/QUOTE]The guys in the Bay Area never tip that is why their prices are the best 220 hr and 180 half. A girl like Nina is making around 8-9 k a week. The average punter in this forum makes that in 3 months. And you still tipping trying to prove you are a different man than the rest and telling the girl you are too beautiful to be doing this LOL or if you ever want to stop doing this I'll be there for you" hah. White knight syndrome.

This girls don't want to burn bridges so when you give her a tip she will tell the agency how much you tip her. This is what happen in LA the agency notice that White Knights were tipping 30-40% so they just raise their price. This is not Applebee's.

[QUOTE=Crism080;4654740]A girl like Nina is making around 8-9 k a week. The average punter in this forum makes that in 3 months.

I get your point about the tipping, but I would say the average person on this site makes much more than $32 to $36,000 a year. No way someone making in that range has the ability to fork out $260 to see kgirls on a regular basis.[/QUOTE]That would be about 50 to 60 customers a week or eight to nine customers a day at the percent of the donation that they keep. I don't think anyone is putting in those kind of hours. I know I've spoken to some girls who have said they have had as many as 10 customers in a day but not near that on a regular basis. If they take any more than their 15 minute break between customers and have something to eat to sustain their energy there wouldn't be enough hours in the day. Even Nina.

[QUOTE=SteveJoe;4654650]Can you tell me who's offer BBFS CAUSE I CHECK AND I DON'T WHO OFFER BBFS.[/QUOTE]If you don't know then you probably aren't known to those bookers and will not get a response from them.

[QUOTE=Crism080;4654740]A girl like Nina is making around 8-9 k a week. The average punter in this forum makes that in 3 months.

I get your point about the tipping, but I would say the average person on this site makes much more than $32 to $36,000 a year. No way someone making in that range has the ability to fork out $260 to see kgirls on a regular basis.[/QUOTE]Well, if our price is 220. I wouldn't have to visit the bay often.

[QUOTE=Toungsten;4655090]If you don't know then you probably aren't known to those bookers and will not get a response from them.[/QUOTE] Meanwhile, props to noobs initiating themselves by TOFTT, or simply sharing more information than they ask.

[QUOTE=Crism080;4654740]A girl like Nina is making around 8-9 k a week. The average punter in this forum makes that in 3 months.

I get your point about the tipping, but I would say the average person on this site makes much more than $32 to $36,000 a year. No way someone making in that range has the ability to fork out $260 to see kgirls on a regular basis.[/QUOTE]I make around 200 k a year have private delights I get 2 of them a week, then mix in BBFS 3 times a week don't tip anyone they doing there job just because I like a specific chick all it means she gets a second meeting that's her tip. Come on newbies. They blowing and acting nice to everyone that's there job hello!

The price of gas, a plane ticket, and food is more than 40 for a trip to the Bay. I get keeping prices down, but if you can afford 250, then plus or minus 20 shouldn't break the bank. You'd only see a difference after 12 trips.

[QUOTE=RawrHard;4655692]The price of gas, a plane ticket, and food is more than 40 for a trip to the Bay. I get keeping prices down, but if you can afford 250, then plus or minus 20 shouldn't break the bank. You'd only see a difference after 12 trips.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about the price hike? The price difference right now we talking about is 50 to 100 dollars good sir. Not a measly plus or minus 20. LOL. Some girls charging 300 to 350 so trip to Bay area still better. For me at least. Girls prices there are cheaper also, 180 to 240 at most. Plus you get to see sites of Frisco. Just went there last year and had wide variety of girls to choose from. All below 250.

I think some of you guys have it all wrong on the tipping. If you have extra money and had a good time with a provider, what's so hard about forking out extra cash to show appreciation? It's american culture to tip. Of course, if you have a below average time with a below average girl I don't think there is a need to tip. But if you had a better than average time with a cute girl and have cash to spend, then I say tip the girl to keep them happy and help keep them working in LA.

[QUOTE=LastCall;4654195]Good information, I have been pissing money away with tips that are totally disregarded. I doubt they will ever list "gratuity included" for punters like me. In some countries tipping is even an insult, but in places like Thailand everybody has their hand out. I really thought 15 to 20 percent was standard here so thanks for straightening me out! Whether it's true or not, according to wick the reasons for tipping are.

Showing off.

To supplement the server's income and make them happy.

For improved future service.

To avoid disapproval from the server.

A sense of duty.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JimThome;4657315]I think some of you guys have it all wrong on the tipping. If you have extra money and had a good time with a provider, what's so hard about forking out extra cash to show appreciation? It's american culture to tip. Of course, if you have a below average time with a below average girl I don't think there is a need to tip. But if you had a better than average time with a cute girl and have cash to spend, then I say tip the girl to keep them happy and help keep them working in LA.[/QUOTE]I always said tipping is for low wage earners. Waiters and waitresses, delivery boys, etc. Not for someone making $150/ hour. Do we tip our doctors, dentists or lawyers for doing a good job? A $20 tip for someone making over $150/ hour could be looked at as insulting at worst or inconsequential at best.

[QUOTE=JimThome;4657315]I think some of you guys have it all wrong on the tipping. If you have extra money and had a good time with a provider, what's so hard about forking out extra cash to show appreciation? It's american culture to tip. Of course, if you have a below average time with a below average girl I don't think there is a need to tip. But if you had a better than average time with a cute girl and have cash to spend, then I say tip the girl to keep them happy and help keep them working in LA.[/QUOTE]My man over here the hi roller I'm talking about. Hey, like I said more power to you if you making them big bucks. For me though, I'd spend that tip with another girl if I could. Just like previous poster mentioned though, I thinks tips are more for the waitresses, bellboys, car washers. I categorize escorts as dentists and doctors cause they already making the big bucks. As a side note, most kgirls tour. So they be travelling in and out of LA whether you tip them or not.

[QUOTE=Toungsten;4657441]could be looked at as insulting at worst or inconsequential at best[/QUOTE]However we may think that the girls will see at the notion of receiving a tip, no one would mind extra $. Especially these girls. If mongers can do it, so be it, their prerogative. Hope they are ready for when standard rates go much higher for not better service and mediocre looking girls.

[QUOTE=Toungsten;4657441]I always said tipping is for low wage earners. Waiters and waitresses, delivery boys, etc. Not for someone making $150/ hour. Do we tip our doctors, dentists or lawyers for doing a good job? A $20 tip for someone making over $150/ hour could be looked at as insulting at worst or inconsequential at best.[/QUOTE]If tips are exclusively for low wage earners, then would you still feel obligated tip workers that earn moderate to high wages? For example, a massage therapist, boutique hairdresser or bartender / server in a high-end restaurant can easily earn $75 - $100 per hour or more. But because it can be argued that these folks are earning too much money per hour, do you feel justified to not tip them? We don't tip doctors or lawyers because it isn't customary to do so, just as we don't tip fast food workers even if they're minimum wage. Some service industries get tips while others don't. I've never heard of a sex worker insulted by a tip but I have heard many wh_res say they were insulted by lack of a tip (especially if they're providing extras like bareback). Some girls even stop giving BB because they are not incentivized to continue. And then some No-Tip wh_remongers wonder why so-and-so changed her menu or what a shame so-and-so is strictly covered nowadays. Inconsequential my ass. Do you really think that extra money has absolutely no correlation whatsoever to a girl's mindset? Money has nothing to do with her cost benefit analysis or risk to reward? As we all know, some girls will BB without asking for a tip, other girls will not BB unless you make sure to tip upfront, but my guess is that every girl, no matter whether she says so or not, wants extra money because it's human nature to want more money. Just imagine yourself, as a girl, in her place. Wouldn't you want to be paid more for giving up bare pussy or wouldn't you appreciate a tip for your hard work? You would honestly treat clients the same, if one never tipped and the other one always did? I ain't trying to white-knight shit, ain't trying to be right or tell you you're wrong, ain't going to convince anyone to do anything with his money. Yeah, let's all organize the first American Wh_reMongers Union and boycott girls to stop runaway price increases in LA. Yeah, let's all unite against tips for bare service, because bookers and girls somehow won't know they can charge extra for it and we all got to keep that shit secret. You guys keep telling yourselves what you want to believe. I tip because I think it does make a difference, because I have had evidence of success, and I know girls that were / are under the radar for bare tips that would never be a Go without it. But then again, maybe I don't know shit. TBH, I rather you not tip so there's less likelihood of more diseased cocks all up in these chicks. Tippers vs. No-Tippers, I think we can agree that we don't agree, and as always, YMMV.

Nothing against tipping but to those that complain about price increases or get mad at those who can afford to tip, you guys sound like cheap fucks and that shit makes you weak as shit. Save up to see your favorite girl, find someone cheaper or get yourself another hobby altogether. And to those complaining about the price discrepancy between LA and SF and how it's cheaper over there, that there is more suppose BB and whatever dick sucking praise you give to the orgs operating there, move your ass up to that City and stay there if it means that much.

[QUOTE=KGirlAddict;4657651]If tips are exclusively for low wage earners, then would you still feel obligated tip workers that earn moderate to high wages? For example, a massage therapist, boutique hairdresser or bartender / server in a high-end restaurant can easily earn $75 - $100 per hour or more. But because it can be argued that these folks are earning too much money per hour, do you feel justified to not tip them? We don't tip doctors or lawyers because it isn't customary to do so, just as we don't tip fast food workers even if they're minimum wage. Some service industries get tips while others don't. I've never heard of a sex worker insulted by a tip but I have heard many wh_res say they were insulted by lack of a tip (especially if they're providing extras like bareback). Some girls even stop giving BB because they are not incentivized to continue. And then some No-Tip wh_remongers wonder why so-and-so changed her menu or what a shame so-and-so is strictly covered nowadays. Inconsequential my ass. Do you really think that extra money has absolutely no correlation whatsoever to a girl's mindset? Money has nothing to do with her cost benefit analysis or risk to reward? As we all know, some girls will BB without asking for a tip, other girls will not BB unless you make sure to tip upfront, but my guess is that every girl, no matter whether she says so or not, wants extra money because it's human nature to want more money. Just imagine yourself, as a girl, in her place. Wouldn't you want to be paid more for giving up bare pussy or wouldn't you appreciate a tip for your hard work? You would honestly treat clients the same, if one never tipped and the other one always did? I ain't trying to white-knight shit, ain't trying to be right or tell you you're wrong, ain't going to convince anyone to do anything with his money. Yeah, let's all organize the first American Wh_reMongers Union and boycott girls to stop runaway price increases in LA. Yeah, let's all unite against tips for bare service, because bookers and girls somehow won't know they can charge extra for it and we all got to keep that shit secret. You guys keep telling yourselves what you want to believe. I tip because I think it does make a difference, because I have had evidence of success, and I know girls that were / are under the radar for bare tips that would never be a Go without it. But then again, maybe I don't know shit.Tippers vs. No-Tippers, I think we can agree that we don't agree, and as always, YMMV.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KGirlAddict;4657651]If tips are exclusively for low wage earners, then would you still feel obligated tip workers that earn moderate to high wages? For example, a massage therapist, boutique hairdresser or bartender / server in a high-end restaurant can easily earn $75 - $100 per hour or more. But because it can be argued that these folks are earning too much money per hour, do you feel justified to not tip them? We don't tip doctors or lawyers because it isn't customary to do so, just as we don't tip fast food workers even if they're minimum wage. Some service industries get tips while others don't. I've never heard of a sex worker insulted by a tip but I have heard many wh_res say they were insulted by lack of a tip (especially if they're providing extras like bareback). Some girls even stop giving BB because they are not incentivized to continue. And then some No-Tip wh_remongers wonder why so-and-so changed her menu or what a shame so-and-so is strictly covered nowadays. Inconsequential my ass. Do you really think that extra money has absolutely no correlation whatsoever to a girl's mindset? Money has nothing to do with her cost benefit analysis or risk to reward? As we all know, some girls will BB without asking for a tip, other girls will not BB unless you make sure to tip upfront, but my guess is that every girl, no matter whether she says so or not, wants extra money because it's human nature to want more money. Just imagine yourself, as a girl, in her place. Wouldn't you want to be paid more for giving up bare pussy or wouldn't you appreciate a tip for your hard work? You would honestly treat clients the same, if one never tipped and the other one always did? I ain't trying to white-knight shit, ain't trying to be right or tell you you're wrong, ain't going to convince anyone to do anything with his money. Yeah, let's all organize the first American Wh_reMongers Union and boycott girls to stop runaway price increases in LA. Yeah, let's all unite against tips for bare service, because bookers and girls somehow won't know they can charge extra for it and we all got to keep that shit secret. You guys keep telling yourselves what you want to believe. I tip because I think it does make a difference, because I have had evidence of success, and I know girls that were / are under the radar for bare tips that would never be a Go without it. But then again, maybe I don't know shit.Tippers vs. No-Tippers, I think we can agree that we don't agree, and as always, YMMV.[/QUOTE]None of the above make the $150 and more per hour and more that a provider makes. Add to that my personal experience and it has been rare for a good number of years that I would have to use a cover. Just saying.

[QUOTE=KGirlAddict;4657651]If tips are exclusively for low wage earners, then would you still feel obligated tip workers that earn moderate to high wages? For example, a massage therapist, boutique hairdresser or bartender / server in a high-end restaurant can easily earn $75 - $100 per hour or more. But because it can be argued that these folks are earning too much money per hour, do you feel justified to not tip them? We don't tip doctors or lawyers because it isn't customary to do so, just as we don't tip fast food workers even if they're minimum wage. Some service industries get tips while others don't. I've never heard of a sex worker insulted by a tip but I have heard many wh_res say they were insulted by lack of a tip (especially if they're providing extras like bareback). Some girls even stop giving BB because they are not incentivized to continue. And then some No-Tip wh_remongers wonder why so-and-so changed her menu or what a shame so-and-so is strictly covered nowadays. Inconsequential my ass. Do you really think that extra money has absolutely no correlation whatsoever to a girl's mindset? Money has nothing to do with her cost benefit analysis or risk to reward? As we all know, some girls will BB without asking for a tip, other girls will not BB unless you make sure to tip upfront, but my guess is that every girl, no matter whether she says so or not, wants extra money because it's human nature to want more money. Just imagine yourself, as a girl, in her place. Wouldn't you want to be paid more for giving up bare pussy or wouldn't you appreciate a tip for your hard work? You would honestly treat clients the same, if one never tipped and the other one always did? I ain't trying to white-knight shit, ain't trying to be right or tell you you're wrong, ain't going to convince anyone to do anything with his money. Yeah, let's all organize the first American Wh_reMongers Union and boycott girls to stop runaway price increases in LA. Yeah, let's all unite against tips for bare service, because bookers and girls somehow won't know they can charge extra for it and we all got to keep that shit secret. You guys keep telling yourselves what you want to believe. I tip because I think it does make a difference, because I have had evidence of success, and I know girls that were / are under the radar for bare tips that would never be a Go without it. But then again, maybe I don't know shit. Tippers vs. No-Tippers, I think we can agree that we don't agree, and as always, YMMV.[/QUOTE]That's a long rant about tipping LOL. So for short, tipping to you is a sense of duty for extra service kinda like what I said about nuru menu. Aight. I get what you saying. Like I said though. Not many have deep pockets as you. The problem of tipping right now is it justifies the these agencies to hike their prices. Well as you mentioned agree to disagree. My main point and some others here is that tipping have high chance of driving cost up, which is happening already. In any case, as long as their are alternatives like Bay area and OC, I'm good.