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[QUOTE=BigBadDog69;1995329]Most of these girls are illegal and may be here alone.

They are afraid to say anything for fear of retaliation and being sent back. They also could be paying off their debt to come to America.

It is not a good life for most. This happens in quite a few places.

All the girls in RI also either live on site for a month at a time or within a few buildings away sleeping on mattresses on the floor.

I have first hand knowledge of this and it is not pretty.

They eat rice everyday so when you bring them something different they are very happy.[/QUOTE]While I agree with my good friend and confidant BBD69 I also know of quite a few girls / ladies that are not victims of HT and are free to come and go and get paid decently. Each situation is different. I always take the reports of a 'former' worker with a grain of salt. Let's face it no matter what business you are in there are 'former disgruntled workers'. And this business is certainly ripe for complaints. And when was the last 'raid or arrest' of a mp that didn't mention it was for 'HT'. Months later if you check on their case you find that the 'HT' charge was thrown out. Of course this info is not easy to find as they don't want to say they 'overreacted' How better to make a splash than to shout 'HT'.

And again to stress that this may be true here and in other cases and we should all deplore it there are certainly places and providers that are not victims.

[QUOTE=Bigben99;1995299]OK. I was under the impression that the places I frequent were not human trafficking. I talk to the masseuses many of whom live off site. I have never frequented this place but I have frequented it's sister location. Have I lived in denial to pursue my personal lust? This changes things for me. And saddens me. I always new this existed but didn't think it existed in MetroWest or at least to this extent.

How can we avoid this? Is there any way to know which places are this type? If this is true I cannot support human trafficking. I think it is time to start a dialogue and support these women in this horrendous situation. Again if this proves to be true. It could be a vendetta. Let me know what you think.

[URL]http://www.wickedlocal.com/article/20140129/NEWS/140126025[/URL][/QUOTE]This happened in Windsor, CT not too long ago.

If I knew the girls were being held I wouldn't go, but how can you tell.

[QUOTE=StressedOut;1995389]While I agree with my good friend and confidant BBD69 I also know of quite a few girls / ladies that are not victims of HT and are free to come and go and get aid decently. I always take the reports of a 'former' worker with a grain of salt. Let's face it no matter what business you are in there are 'former disgruntled workers'. And this business is certainly ripe for complaints. And when was the last 'raid or arrest' of a mp that didn't mention it was for 'HT'. Months later if you check on their case you find that the 'HT' charge was thrown out. How better to make a splash than to shout 'HT'.

And again to stress that this may be true here and in other cases and we should all deplore it there are certainly places and providers that are not victims.[/QUOTE]Like SO said the HT angle grabs headlines.

Its been fun and all but this takes it to a new level which I do not support.
It is one thing if they are willing but being held prisoner goes against my morals even if I was nto aware of it.
This is some twisted stuff.
Its been fun I am out.




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although I think there are places that are not this way. maybe have to stick to non-asian?


[QUOTE=TBone1970;1995428]Its been fun and all but this takes it to a new level which I do not support.
It is one thing if they are willing but being held prisoner goes against my morals even if I was nto aware of it.
This is some twisted stuff.
Its been fun I am out.




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[QUOTE=Bigben99;1995331]Perhaps in our ratings we try to sort out whether we believe they are human trafficking vs. Need money but free will AMPs. I would like to avoid being part of the former. And yes...I know we will never know for sure but I do get a sense in thinking about all the places I have visited.[/QUOTE]Yes you can't or won't know for sure. I have repeated this story more than once but here goes again. A few years ago I frequented a well known spa in RI. I got to know one of the ladies very well since it seemed like whenever I went I was paired up with her. Little did I realize it was on purpose. After a bit of time I realized she was the recorded owner of the spa. About the same time whisperings of 'HT' began to circulate concerning the RI spas. Eventually she started inviting me back just about closing time where there were no customers around. The first time I went in I notice that the ladies slept there on mats after their shifts. Well I assumed the worst based on first observations. Anyway after a few evenings with her I found out that she lived nearby (she invited me to her house) and was doing this to put her kids through a local college. The other ladies who worked there were from NY (as most were) and slept at the spa since they only were there for a few weeks at a time. They were free to come and go if they wanted and to stay as short or as long a time as they wanted. They didn't have to 'pay' to sleep there or for their meals. She would drive them around when they needed anything as most didn't have licenses for obvious reasons. She even drove them back if they needed to get home in a hurry. I got to know a few of the ladies and found their stories varied. Some had families here and they were helping to support them. Some had no family and were here to just work and make some money. But none of them were victims of anything other than doing what they had been doing for years both here and back home. She has since sold the business as her kids graduated. So sometimes the picture you see isn't fact.

Obvious solution to the alleged HT problem would be to regulate, register and tax the spas. But when it comes to anything sexual, we are still living in Puritan times, or worse. Oddly, it's legal to smoke weed, which causes impairment, but not legal to give or receive a hand job for cash, which only leaves you happy and the girl with a few extra bucks. It's only legal to ask for a HJ or offer one if you take a girl to dinner and call it a date. I dunno. Sometimes you have to just throw your hands up in the air and say, "Sheeesh!" We are equally hypocritical about the female breast: All females have them. All babies have seen them. Men spend their lives chasing after them, but show them off in public? A scandal.

I concur totally with SO. The details vary slightly but I know the owners of several locations more than well enough to have confidence in stating that that I know of none that fit the description as alleged at Oasis. I have always known the girls at any place I have knowledge of to be free to leave including even the girls that worked for the now famous Coco. Some may live on site and some may live off site. The legal definition of human trafficking may be broad reaching and may on the surface snare these establishments but to most of us it defies our interpretation of human trafficking. My point is not to dissect the law but rather speak with some confidence that this is not an accurate picture of the majority of places you visit. Oasis in particular I never visited and have no specific knowledge of.

[QUOTE=StressedOut;1995430]Yes you can't or won't know for sure. I have repeated this story more than once but here goes again. A few years ago I frequented a well known spa in RI. I got to know one of the ladies very well since it seemed like whenever I went I was paired up with her. Little did I realize it was on purpose. After a bit of time I realized she was the recorded owner of the spa. About the same time whisperings of 'HT' began to circulate concerning the RI spas. Eventually she started inviting me back just about closing time where there were no customers around. The first time I went in I notice that the ladies slept there on mats after their shifts. Well I assumed the worst based on first observations. Anyway after a few evenings with her I found out that she lived nearby (she invited me to her house) and was doing this to put her kids through a local college. The other ladies who worked there were from NY (as most were) and slept at the spa since they only were there for a few weeks at a time. They were free to come and go if they wanted and to stay as short or as long a time as they wanted. They didn't have to 'pay' to sleep there or for their meals. She would drive them around when they needed anything as most didn't have licenses for obvious reasons. She even drove them back if they needed to get home in a hurry. I got to know a few of the ladies and found their stories varied. Some had families here and they were helping to support them. Some had no family and were here to just work and make some money. But none of them were victims of anything other than doing what they had been doing for years both here and back home. She has since sold the business as her kids graduated. So sometimes the picture you see isn't fact.[/QUOTE]

First of all this whole thing might just be slander from a disgruntled ex employee. I visited the sister site. Many experienced Monger friends visited Oasis. It seemed like all the other places. The girls seemed free.one of the girls from this site "went back to college" and there seemed to be a turnover. Unless you have very intimate knowledge of the ownership I would doubt that one can tell the difference. But it is really easy for all of us to be fooled unless you are talking about a non-Asian place. Even then you can't be sure. To say you can tell is to be in denial of your possible participation in HT. Not saying that this is the norm but if it's true it certainly opens my eyes to how easily we can be fooled. Not sure we will ever get the details.

[QUOTE=Dh1610;1995702]I concur totally with SO. The details vary slightly but I know the owners of several locations more than well enough to have confidence in stating that that I know of none that fit the description as alleged at Oasis. I have always known the girls at any place I have knowledge of to be free to leave including even the girls that worked for the now famous Coco. Some may live on site and some may live off site. The legal definition of human trafficking may be broad reaching and may on the surface snare these establishments but to most of us it defies our interpretation of human trafficking. My point is not to dissect the law but rather speak with some confidence that this is not an accurate picture of the majority of places you visit. Oasis in particular I never visited and have no specific knowledge of.[/QUOTE]

This has happened in the metrowest before, not too far back. Uncle LEO and other agencies put together a case for Medford / Woburn / Wilmington et cetera and arrested two alleged conspirators of HT amongst other things. [URL]http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/05/13/medford-woman-woburn-man-arrested-human-sex-trafficking-case/opoqwFyfFQun6CucWHeTFP/story.html[/URL] Obviously most are against HT but if you went to any of those places listed in this article, obviously you are indifferent. Coakley is a politician, she got adult services off of craigslist, which didn't do anything backpage opened up. Asian massage parlors probably don't belong in a town like Natick anyways. This isn't an HT forum.

Bigben there are some on the forum that do have the "very intimate knowledge of the ownership" you refer too and we are trying to give you reason to believe that even if this story is accurate in the details it is not the norm by a long shot. Some of the apartment setups and hotel girls with pimps are a different story. The average AMP that is talked about on here you should feel better about than where your are leaning now.

Go back to your favorite one tomorrow and leave feeling very happy.

[QUOTE=Bigben99;1995721]First of all this whole thing might just be slander from a disgruntled ex employee. I visited the sister site. Many experienced Monger friends visited Oasis. It seemed like all the other places. The girls seemed free.one of the girls from this site "went back to college" and there seemed to be a turnover. Unless you have very intimate knowledge of the ownership I would doubt that one can tell the difference. But it is really easy for all of us to be fooled unless you are talking about a non-Asian place. Even then you can't be sure. To say you can tell is to be in denial of your possible participation in HT. Not saying that this is the norm but if it's true it certainly opens my eyes to how easily we can be fooled. Not sure we will ever get the details.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bigben99;1995721]First of all this whole thing might just be slander from a disgruntled ex employee. [/QUOTE]Again I say something sound fishy about this. If you hold someone hostage and make them do handjobs all day why let them go? (former employee) So they can tell on you? Especially since she claims she just answered an ad in the paper. It's not like they shipped her in from somewhere. I don't see how someone could hold her 24 hours a day with her being able to leave.

Pretty much what I said. Only said IF IT IS TRUE..this place seemed like the norm so we will never really now unless we stick to the places where we KNOW the ownership. How many people do that?

[QUOTE=Dh1610;1995793]Bigben there are some on the forum that do have the "very intimate knowledge of the ownership" you refer too and we are trying to give you reason to believe that even if this story is accurate in the details it is not the norm by a long shot. Some of the apartment setups and hotel girls with pimps are a different story. The average AMP that is talked about on here you should feel better about than where your are leaning now.

Go back to your favorite one tomorrow and leave feeling very happy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigBadDog69;1995329]Most of these girls are illegal and may be here alone.

They are afraid to say anything for fear of retaliation and being sent back. They also could be paying off their debt to come to America.

It is not a good life for most. This happens in quite a few places.

All the girls in RI also either live on site for a month at a time or within a few buildings away sleeping on mattresses on the floor.

I have first hand knowledge of this and it is not pretty.

They eat rice everyday so when you bring them something different they are very happy.[/QUOTE]Not to mention the very real likelihood of retaliation against family members still in her native country. Honestly, any place were the girls don't speak fluent English, is likely to be involved with human trafficking.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.

[QUOTE=BlamboMcGee;1995538]It's only legal to ask for a HJ or offer one if you take a girl to dinner and call it a date. I dunno.[/QUOTE]Actually, in Massachusetts it is still illegal... Sex outside of marriage is a misdemeanor in MA. Oral sex is a felony. Anal sex is a felony. Adultery is a felony. Notice a trend? This is definitely not the state that will legalize prostitution, and certainly not if Martha has anything to say about it.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.


PS: A side effect of Massachusetts puritanical laws means that same sex marriages (which MA was so proud of being one of the first states to legalize) can not be legally consummated, which technically makes them void after one year.