Delaware Douchebaggery!

Haha I can't even imagine the in person encounter.

How quickly do you think the 300 would turn into.

600?

And who bites on this stuff and actually goes to see them?

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3687487]LOL! She wants a Daddy? Got to love these girls with GPS and a HUGE attitude! Asked normal questions of this girl the other day and she immediately BLEW UP on me!

Wants 300 for a "no limits" date, which means she is f*cking guys bareback! Also has an demeanor of "take it or leave it. " No discussion of anything, just quickly to "attitude. ".

So one has to wonder about her ultimate service and friendliness when one meets. Get upset quickly over some benign email questions?

So go rush and see her as NOW apparently she is reviewed here. Hope it works out for ya! LOL!

Douchbaggery at its best.[/QUOTE]

So there was an incident where a date happened and something went wrong or something off the rails. Hey, it happens. In fact, if one really mongers long enough, it happens to all of us. But every time it happened to me, when I calmed down, manned up and took a serious look at my actions, I was able to find places where I lead to my own demise. There are "rules" out there. [color=gray][i]( 22 Rules for Street Mongering / Rules for BackPage Mongering )[/i][/color] Rules that are advice from others who have F'ed up and learned from it. So one can get jealous that someone else gives advice or one can learn from that advice. [I](The alternative is to make all of the mistakes on one's own.)[/I].

Anyway, there was an "incident" that happened and the dude blew up all over these boards sounding the alarm. OK, where there is smoke there is usually fire and when a dude has a bad experience, mongers are wise to take heed. I usually just avoid anyone who has a bad report or is the subject of an "incident. " But in this case, I happened to be seeing the girl who was the subject of this "incident. " So normally, I am a "bros before hoes" guy, but in this case the level of the charge was so outrageous I was shocked. It just did not fit with my experience of the girl. Anyway. Was always raised that there are two sides to any story, so I went and sought out the info so I could make a fair evaluation.

First, I contacted the poster (privately) who claimed he had been ripped off and gave him a chance to tell his side of the story. I got an indignant reply and part of the story. In trading emails, not only did his story change, but what he eventually posted on these boards was materially different than what was reported to me. Hmmmmm. A changing story. So rather than admit he was wrong, had F'ed up and tried to learn from his mistakes, he had a tantrum all over these boards. Oh and alienated a few dudes who had been helpful to him in the past. Pure Douchbaggery!

Second, I also talked to the girl. AFTER we had a very nice date. (I never had any problems with the girl, of course I some of what I have learned help me operate in a way that would not allow problems.) I asked her enough questions that I am sure she thought I was affiliated with LE. You know a long series of questions about the incident and then coming back to key questions several times as to see if the "story" of what happened would change. What I noted was that her story NEVER CHANGED.

Third, I spoke with and PMed a few other trusted mongers that I knew had dated this girl or who were in the process of dating her regularly. What I found interesting was that they too had talked to the girl about the incident. I asked the mongers what was the "story" she told them and I was astonished to hear that they got the EXACT same story that she told me. Now get this, she told the exact same story to me and to two other mongers of what happened in this "incident!" A consistent report of the incident to three guys. Hmmmm.

So, I'm no Solomon, but weighing what I found: a dude who had a tantrum here and his story changed when relating it to me and changed even more when reporting it on the threads and a girl who reported a totally different story, but was consistent in her reporting of what happened! So who does one believe? Why?

Me, I get it! When one F*cks up, it is hard to admit it to ones self and very easy to just trash the other person on social media (this site being the only SM for mongering around). I guess it makes us feel good to trash and "hurt" a girl when something goes wrong. The problem is making our self "feel good" is a band-aid. It does nothing to cure the "problems" that allowed the incident to occur in the first place. So one feels good but never learns, never corrects their mistakes. I can guarantee that the mistakes will repeat and more grief will happen. (been there, done that!) So hey, life is just choices. One can choose to "get an education" and become a good monger or one can admit their mistakes, learn grow and avoid future drama.

Look, this stuff isn't hard stuff. It is just "hard" for some to learn to adapt or adjust their approach! I get that- I took me quite a few "incidents" before I looked in the mirror and admitted that the things I had done contributed to the "incident. " Looking back now, I can hardly believe how stupid I was! (In one "incident," I gave a girl some money to pay for a room, while I hid around the corner, out of sight. Yep, of course she saw the "sucker" label on my forehead & bounced! LOL!

We are often dealing with girls who are "street wise". They meet dudes all day, every day and if they want to stay alive the girls have to be able to quickly read a dude. So they have some "training!" What do we have to counter that? Oh wait! I know! This is mongering, no education needed, just watch a movie or TV & one will learn everything!

So hey, not saying that one should not report bad incidents. But am saying that it makes a more credible report when one points out the mistake they made (in effect publicly acknowledging the error) and stating what they could have done differently to avoid the incident. But to embellish the facts of incident or change it from one thing to another is just douchebaggery. Oh and even if one is repentant, if the issue gets brought up again, then one's true repentance can be judged by how one responds: sticks with the embellished story or correct the facts and and admit the error?

I'm just saying!

Hey, I have been ripped off, scammed and had bad dates more than a few times. But from those experiences and from the experiences & help of others, I learned some techniques of dating to avoid bad situations.

Years ago there was a mature gal on MDA, K. She knew everyone, was friendly, kind and a good date. In fact, I called her "The Mayoress" of MDA. From time to time I would stop and just chat with K to learn "the news" of what was happening on the streets (always tossed K a few bucks for her time). Since K knew I wasn't dating her exclusively (I never hid that from K) she was open with me. K gave me a list of girls to avoid, girls I placed on a "no fly" list of sorts. When K wander on in life, C became the new Mayoress. C also was open to sharing a "no fly list" with me. (C has also moved on in life).

The point being that I had a list of girls who were either known to rip guys off or who had health issues. So I always mongered with at least $5 in a pocket in case I scooped a "no fly girl;" I could eject her with a parting favor. Luckily I only had to exercise that 'parting favor' trick a few times. But I have no doubt that saved me some serious grief.

But I will say this, I HAVE dated a few of the notorious "no fly girls" - girls who have a reputation for stealing from mongers. How did this happen? Me? I guess I F'ed up! I review the 'no fly list' before setting out each time so it is fresh in my mind. But in these cases, the girl used a different name! WTF! It wasn't until after the dates that a dude told me who that girl really was and in one case the girl told me herself her street name (the name on the no fly list).

So do I have an incident to report from these dates? Was I a victim? Actually, nope! In looking back, I am amazed that I avoided trouble with these girls. Was I lucky each time? Maybe? Perhaps some of the "technique" used helped me avoid an "incident?" But now that I have dated the girls, I know what they look like and can avoid them.

So I see quite a few low post count guys around these parts (Welcome!) but also see a lot of danger and mistakes that I have avoided by using "technique"!

Good mongering only looks easy.

Stay Safe!
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[I] Oh and The Box is not dead! LOL! Had one of my best dates from The Box recently. Maps are posted - Go to the Forum> Special Interests> Amateurs >SW Stroll Maps>post #41. No digits, so no sharing. Oh and WTF? There is more than ONE stroll in Wilmington! [/I][/color]

[QUOTE=RichieG23;3705239]It was most certainly a sting. I obviously made a mistake or two, and did not follow the 21 rule protocol, but there were no cop cars and the only SUVs in the parking lot were a range rover and a jeep Cherokee. I even drove the green turtle parking lot, the border caf parking lot and the wild wings parking lot looking for police type vehicles. None.[/QUOTE]Glad this dude was able to make mistakes and walk away unscathed! Usually the streets are not so forgiving. Perhaps LE is reading here and getting smarter and not leaving bread crumbs behind? (obvious UCLE cars nearby). News Journal left out lots of details that are usually printed (Hmmmm)

Had to comment:

1. There are 22 Rules to Street Mongering. Read all THREE sections!

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=MongeringRules[/URL]

2. There are 24 "rules" for BP dating or dates off the internet.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage[/URL]

3. Doing recon isn't necessarily looking for cop cars. Sure there [I]may[/I] be a few marked cars around the corner, but I am looking for unmarked cars with dudes sitting in them. Also looking for buses, vans, meat packing trucks where a large number of arestees might be processed or transported.

4. Dating at a hotel / motel is always a particular risk as that is where stings happen. (economy of scale) If a girl is legit and not a b*tch, they will usually meet you at a nearby business (in public). The point of that is that LE is not likely to meet you and then have to walk back to the room or get in your car to get there. THEN your job is to ask enough of the [U]right[/U] questions to determine if she is setting you up or not.

5. If one has never mentioned sex for money and even walks into a sting, then there is little to worry about. Save self incrimination when the cop offers to "help you out" or "it will go easier for you" if you talk to them. Watch and memorize the first 20 minutes of:

[URL]https://youtu.be/yqMjMPlXzdA[/URL]

But the bottom line. And I keep pounding the table on it. Is get an education before setting out. Think with the BIG head before you let junior out!

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3705690]Glad this dude was able to make mistakes and walk away unscathed! Usually the streets are not so forgiving. Perhaps LE is reading here and getting smarter and not leaving bread crumbs behind? (obvious UCLE cars nearby). News Journal left out lots of details that are usually printed (Hmmmm)

Had to comment:

1. There are 22 Rules to Street Mongering. Read all THREE sections!

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=MongeringRules[/URL]

2. There are 24 "rules" for BP dating or dates off the internet.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage[/URL]

3. Doing recon isn't necessarily looking for cop cars. Sure there [I]may[/I] be a few marked cars around the corner, but I am looking for unmarked cars with dudes sitting in them. Also looking for buses, vans, meat packing trucks where a large number of arestees might be processed or transported.

4. Dating at a hotel / motel is always a particular risk as that is where stings happen. (economy of scale) If a girl is legit and not a b*tch, they will usually meet you at a nearby business (in public). The point of that is that LE is not likely to meet you and then have to walk back to the room or get in your car to get there. THEN your job is to ask enough of the [U]right[/U] questions to determine if she is setting you up or not.

5. If one has never mentioned sex for money and even walks into a sting, then there is little to worry about. Save self incrimination when the cop offers to "help you out" or "it will go easier for you" if you talk to them. Watch and memorize the first 20 minutes of:

[URL]https://youtu.be/yqMjMPlXzdA[/URL]

But the bottom line. And I keep pounding the table on it. Is get an education before setting out. Think with the BIG head before you let junior out![/QUOTE]Many years ago in the 80's I got nailed twice. Once in Wilmington and once in Philly. Both by street decoys. In Wilmington I was just stopped at a light and a girl asked if I was looking for a date. I responded that I really don't have any money, only $14.00 and some change. Well a hand with a badge is slammed on the windshield by one UC and a gun to my head by the female. That is all that was said. Well a short ride to a parking lot where a polaroid was taken, ticket issued and released. At this point you just want it to go away and not draw much attention. I was not looking for anyone, I was picking up my girlfriend who work at the then Raddison Hotel.

In Philly I stopped for a girl, she pointed me into a parking lot. I pull in and behind a tractor trailer is a greeting party. They however issued three different traffic tickets to make an impression not to come back. But they still required an appearance in court. That came with the cost of a days work and 5 1/2 hours sitting there, again to make an impression not to comeback. I have avoid SW's there since.

Lessons learned and extremely cautious now. I have let my guard down now with the Asians they way they are responding to appointment inquires. One cannot determine who is on the opposite end of the message and some are two explicit. I need to rethink and formulate a new game plan. Because getting caught now would be so detrimental to me.

[QUOTE=JRichard;3706198]Many years ago in the 80's I got nailed twice. Once in Wilmington and once in Philly. Both by street decoys. In Wilmington I was just stopped at a light and a girl asked if I was looking for a date. I responded that I really don't have any money, only $14.00 and some change. Well a hand with a badge is slammed on the windshield by one UC and a gun to my head by the female. That is all that was said. Well a short ride to a parking lot where a polaroid was taken, ticket issued and released. At this point you just want it to go away and not draw much attention. I was not looking for anyone, I was picking up my girlfriend who work at the then Raddison Hotel.

In Philly I stopped for a girl, she pointed me into a parking lot. I pull in and behind a tractor trailer is a greeting party. They however issued three different traffic tickets to make an impression not to come back. But they still required an appearance in court. That came with the cost of a days work and 5 1/2 hours sitting there, again to make an impression not to comeback. I have avoid SW's there since.

Lessons learned and extremely cautious now. I have let my guard down now with the Asians they way they are responding to appointment inquires. One cannot determine who is on the opposite end of the message and some are two explicit. I need to rethink and formulate a new game plan. Because getting caught now would be so detrimental to me.[/QUOTE]Just curious about what you did about all of those tickets? Did you pay the Wilmington one? Sounds like you sat in Court in Philly? What was THAT outcome?

As far as rethinking and reformulating a new game plan, I am sure experienced guys here would be glad to discuss that with you!

[I]So I see another monger has reported on hitting most of the 5 Wilmington Strolls and reporting back. Nice to see someone who has learned what the area has to offer and learned from the info on these forums.[/I]

Some items to be aware of while shopping the strolls and CL:

1) MDA. A girl calls herself Ashley [I](This is the slim blue-eyed blonde, not the infamous Hispanic chick that often runs around with her white BF following and who is always preggers and just recently popped out No. 5 - she's usually 4th or uLA, though occasionally MDA)[/I] This Ashley is a lovely little spinner girl with a sweet personality. [B]Just beware that her BF is probably 10 paces behind her, across the street or watching you somewhere.[/B] He's a slender black dude. When she gets dropped off, she is headed directly to him to hand over any window washing fees she might have earned.

2) Oh and there is Devon, a more mature girl (late 30's? Or older? Kinky hair (tight curls all over), blonde streaks or dye job. Caution: [B]She has GPS on her phone and someone watching her movements, so if you park near the stroll, there is possibility of a visit.[/B] She wants to be in control and will play sweet for you, and try to play that to her advantage. [U]A very strong personality is not afraid to turn on a dime emotionally to get the upper hand.[/U] Professes how clean she is but headed straight into the shooting galley house, across from the mini park.

3) Formerly on MDA now roaming uLA is the exotic looking girl late 30's. 5'6" ish. She looks like a non-Indian Peruvian girl: a mix of white and oriental. [B]She carries a knife and is not above using it[/B] or ripping a guy off at knife point.

4) Oh and a new [B]"no fly list"[/B] emerged from recent travels, three girls generally on MDA, with possible "unmentionable" issues: [B]Tasha, Kayla & Mel.[/B] So hey, now they are "reviewed" so date them at will! LOL! [U]Especially if one has good intact, life-long health insurance![/U].

5) CL girl calls herself LeiLani and located in the "north" Wilmington area. Anyone in the hood that refuses to meet in public before hosting. And who is adamant about ONLY hosting. Is one that should be viewed with caution. On inquiry of doing an out call (heading to the Crown) she asked: "Can I bring my security, ? So he can ensure my safety he won't bother us. " er, gee, does that sound safe to you? If she wants to bring security to out call, does that mean he is there hiding at the incall? Smells like set-up to me. I'm just saying!

6) Another CL girl, calls herself Ashley (24), located off MDA near BK. She has a "brother" who trails the date, is around if you do incall or noting your license plate number if you pick her up for a trip to the crown. Also beware that when communicating with her through email or text, you might actually be talking to "the brother"!

Just a little info to help the cause!

Well the douchebaggery continues around Wilmington. I continue to be shocked at how many low-life mongers are out there.

So I hear from a girl that she was NOT working but headed into a store in the MDA area and a guy approached her and offered her a date. Since she isn't adverse to that, she took him up on the offer. Dude takes her to a vacant property he owns in Richardson Park and engages in sex acts with her. He gives her some money. All seems well and good. But she heads to the store to pay her phone bill and guess what, the money gets turned down. It is counterfeit! Jeez.

So we know the dude's name, have a physical description and a description of the truck he drives. Too bad rules here prohibit posting that identifying information.

WTF is wrong with dudes? Just because a girl is dating does not mean she is sub-human or deserves bad treatment. Shoot using that logic, what does that make the dude who paid her? Lower than a wh*re?

Yeah, I know I am an azzh*le! Guys with under 50 posts frequently text me and tell me so. After all, read a few months of the threads and pick up a handful of girls and of course one is an "expert!

I dunno, don't post much in the way of reports, but that doesn't mean I have no experience or don't know what is going on.

So thought I'd give a taste of my recent experience, all fwiw. Not bragging at all, in fact part of me says nothing to be gained by posting at all. So here goes nothing.

[U]Source of Dates[/U] [I] (shows that I use more than one way to find dates and often keep several lines going at once ) [/I].

3- renewed contact after many years.

5 - street scoops from 4 different strolls: MDA, LA, 4th, The Box.

4 - CL post or replies.

2- referrals from another girl, another monger.

No good deed goes unpunished. Sigh. [I]All my photographic work however on both.[/I].

It look like two girls to me.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3716145]No good deed goes unpunished. Sigh. [I]All my photographic work however on both.[/I].[/QUOTE]

As I was headed out of town driving down MDA, to pick up a regular girl (Oh Sh*T, I was scooping her off MDA! Say it ain't so! Anyway, as I am driving down MDA, I saw TWO girls doing the stroll. One was blue-eyed Ashley (NOT the Hispanic chick with the following BF) wearing a black hoodie. Got "the look" from her. Then saw a second girl who also gave me the look and who I locked eyes with. She seems familiar but could not place her. BOTH obvious signs: thin, gaunt, hollow look, strolling along, looking at guys driving by. But this must have been a dream or my imagination because I know MDA is dead as a door knob. So don't share this with anyone and please don't shoot me for this fantasy.

OH and BTW. The Box is "dead" too! One utr regular there, found one utr Hbbw on CL from there, another WSW there, the usual scary bSWs too AND reports have it that Lauren (the ghost) is back in that area.

Now all of that said, trafficking in DE IS REAL and a three letter agency is involved. So it looks to me like sharing numbers looks too much like "promoting" a girl and possibly drawing attention. Hobby safe!

Yeah, saw a 20-something white girl, a but thick, in the box this evening. Passed her by and was making a turn to go round and scoop her and in my rear view, I see some other monger pull over and scoop her. So yeah, avoid the box. [I]( unless one wants to get out scooped! )[/I] Then a bit further down was a tiny BSWer milling around. On one pass she came off the curb, shouting at me to get my attention. Such overt behavior is IMHO not good, so I waved her off. But hey perhaps some others would take the plunge?

Then I was out on uLA buying some gas and who should wander by? None other than Stacy! WTF! She was hoofing it out to a predetermined location to meet up with a dude. She said 'hi' and I wished her well. Freaking mongers. Go figure! Getting a girl's digits and making pre-plans to date? What is up with that?

Then as I made a couple of passes, saw none other than S. The knife wielding girl, not the one with the wings tat on her chest. Smiled nicely to myself that I was able to recognize her and thus avoid eye contact or scooping her. I guess some ignorant (unknowledgeable) monger will scoop her and end up playing roulette with the date.

So yeah, don't know why anyone would even bother with hitting the strolls, out there, there is no action.

And douchebag of the week is are- in an Apt in the 5&W area. Expecting $10 is gunna get him sumthin', er, rather everything? I mean I'm all for not overpaying, but seriously, $10 is just a plain insult. IF that is all I have, I pack it in & save up till I can make a real offer.

Oh Sh*t! Was out one afternoon, after doing a project and headed home early and WTF, right there on uLA, there was this 5'4", 110# brown hair girl! What a cutie! Turns out she was a girl that the infamous BP girl Barbie was trying to set me up with last Summer. (Never worked out. She lost her digits and then schedules never meshed when she was over at Barbie's). So finally met her. She did a nice job washing windows and brushing the suede in my ride. Would love to see her again, but no digits! Told me specifically NOT to use her name: either street name or real name. But also said she was out EVERY day! Go figure!

So when I was dropping her off just as rush hour was starting what did I see? This boards perennial favorite uLA girl. Amy! Yep, camped out at the bus stop, like a bowling pin, was that "lovely. " Oh wait, shouldn't say that, as every time I pan a girl everyone rushes out to see her! Maybe I should say YMMV?

And then stopped at a light, who walks by my car in her checkerboard jacket? Michelle!

I know, I am delusional and gorked out on hallucinatory drugs and image all of these things! They can't be real since we all know those freaking streets are D-E-A-D!

Have had a number of guys of all levels reach out to me and wonder where is "The Box". So thought I would post how one can find information on WHERE to find SWers in the "Wilmington" area. From this chair, depending on how one defines the pie, there are 5 or 6 strolls and some add-on areas. As such there is no "best" location. In fact, I have often seen girls on 3 different strolls when making the loops. As my recent post demonstrate, I have dated girls from 4 of the strolls.

Actually over the years as neighbor pressures and LE action have increased the "best" location has migrated. This means that not ONE place is going to be good and each one has its nuances. So if one is window shopping and does NOT see something on one of the strolls, it makes sense to switch over and drive another stroll. One can hit 3-4 strolls in a loop if one wants.

But hey, why would anyone bother to read the HISTORY here in the threads? I mean Jackson & Co. have retained all of those old posts, otherwise they would deleted them and save bandwidth or storage space. But the history in the SW thread is packed full of discussion of the strolls, girls, etc. (shoot only 5 years ago, one kind monger laid out his "loop" of the strolls. [i]Thanks Afraven![/i]) Just a quick look at the pictures from the thread [i](Home > Forum > States & Cities > Delaware > Wilmington > photos) [/i] shows at least 6 maps of various strolls, including a VERY detailed map of Gov Printz stroll area. [u]What possible value could there be in history?[/u]

When I started out, I read EVERY post in the DE threads- back then the long gone "Office" was all of the rage. But also, reading the threads gave me info on scoop techniques, who was out, who to avoid, where / when to find girls and what is an appropriate fee for poetry reading. But hey, who needs that info? I guess it is a case of YMMV and style vs risk tolerance? [u]I am a firm believe that style / education are key to lowering risk.[/u]

So IF one is new, unknowledgeable or just wants to tune current knowledge, there are MAPS which show the strolls around the country. (I guess if one can't or won't read a map, OR you IF you carry a hard-on for the dude who created the thread, then...... perhaps...... [I]{what is the name of this thread?}[/I]) (LOL). Other than those maps in the Wilm SW threads:

[B]Forum > Special Interests > Amateurs > SW Stroll Maps > Post #41[/B]

Imagine that! This website has all of the info one needs to learn how to become a successful monger? Sorry, we can't open you head and pour the knowledge into it. One has to do a little bit of work! But believe me a bit of work, education and experience is needed to reduce the risk of the hobby. One can take short cuts but eventually the street will find your weakness and win.

Good luck! Stay Safe!