Rants and Raves

I often find myself having ethical / moral dilemmas when it comes to massage parlors. On the one hand, they're places of dubious management and it's hard to tell if the girls there really knew what they were getting theselves into when they came from overseas. Groups like the Polaris Project would have you believe that every single one of these operations is involved in coercive trafficking and is guilty of every type of exploitation under the sun.

On the other hand, some of the girls have behaved very accommodatingly and have acted like they're in control of what they want to do. And as an enjoyer of sensual massages, I will usually try to hit up independent providers but sometimes, timing just doesn't work and AMP's are so convenient for walk-ins. It's sort of like Wal-Mart. You know they don't pay their employees well or treat them like anything other than commodities but it's so damn convenient and the prices are so low!

Earlier this week, I went to an AMP and because the girl wanted to start the ending after 5 minutes, I insisted on getting the full 1/2 hour I paid for. This prompted her to refuse an ending but gave me a great 1/2 hour massage instead. I'm not really sure why they were mutually exclusive, but when I asked her why she would miss out on a fat tip, she said something that really struck me: "It's my body and I chose to give you a good massage instead of playtime!"

That stuck with me all weekend. In recent years, public discussions of rape and sexual assault have caused me to take a fairly feminist stance in that any and all sexual contact should be given with enthusiastic consent. When this girl said this, it made me question even more how these AMP's really work internally. As consumers of sex workers, it's hard to wade through these questions and come out with a real answer.

I often wonder if any fellow mongers have had similar experiences and thoughts regarding these issues.

[QUOTE=IDontLikeU;2612163]When I was younger and dumber I did, twice. And both times left me frustrated, angry and wronged. NEVER develop feelings for these girls. You are paying for their time to service you. When you're done, get rid of them. These girls are not "normal" girls in the true sense. They are addicted to drugs or are supporting a BF / husband who is. Or they are mentally unbalanced, in other words, they are damaged goods. If you are gullible enough to be fall for one, expect to be played sooner or later. Remember, no matter how pretty she looks or how good she sucks your cock, there have been dozens of cocks in the same place as yours.[/QUOTE][BLUE]$lut shaming on a hooker forum? Not bad advice about being careful with sex workers and emotions, but $lut shaming? Do you want to have an operation done by a doctor doing it the first time or by somebody who has done it hundreds of times? Shit give me the chick that has sucked 5,000 cocks, that's the girl I'm taking home to meet mom.

I'll never understand this attitude.

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This is the second Saturday this month that this has happened at 7111 and 9118. I get to the place and there is a guy either waiting in his car or hanging around the front door. Just saying get your fucking ass in the place so the next guy can get his sh $t done. Thanks.

Hey, I'm new here. Needed a place to gripe. I've been trying to throw a gangbang and get a group of guys for regular throw downs, but it's impossible to get guys to show up as promised. The ladies are always down too which is a shame. Anybody here have experience getting one of these to actually pop off?

[QUOTE=BMoreRocky;2712588]Hey, I'm new here. Needed a place to gripe. I've been trying to throw a gangbang and get a group of guys for regular throw downs, but it's impossible to get guys to show up as promised. The ladies are always down too which is a shame. Anybody here have experience getting one of these to actually pop off?[/QUOTE]Really? The guys won't show up for it? Insane.

[QUOTE=BMoreRocky;2712588]Hey, I'm new here. Needed a place to gripe. I've been trying to throw a gangbang and get a group of guys for regular throw downs, but it's impossible to get guys to show up as promised. The ladies are always down too which is a shame. Anybody here have experience getting one of these to actually pop off?[/QUOTE]First I've heard of anyone trying to set one up around here. I know a girl who said she's up for a gangbang or blowbang but I never followed through.

[QUOTE=BMoreRocky;2712588]Hey, I'm new here. Needed a place to gripe. I've been trying to throw a gangbang and get a group of guys for regular throw downs, but it's impossible to get guys to show up as promised. The ladies are always down too which is a shame. Anybody here have experience getting one of these to actually pop off?[/QUOTE]I've done a few. You're not asking the right guys! I could be interested.

[QUOTE=FunnyMoney;2713054]Really? The guys won't show up for it? Insane.[/QUOTE]It makes no sense. It does explain why the ladies act the way they do. They must be getting tons of flakes, lookieloos, and picture collectors.

[QUOTE=Cls9637;2713724]First I've heard of anyone trying to set one up around here. I know a girl who said she's up for a gangbang or blowbang but I never followed through.[/QUOTE]I have a couple chicks lined up: locals, strippers, UTRs, & some porn stars. What I'm lacking is enough reliable guys to budget properly.

[QUOTE=SpiceOfLife;2713864]I've done a few. You're not asking the right guys! I could be interested.[/QUOTE]Message me if you're serious.

[QUOTE=SpiceOfLife;2713864]I've done a few. You're not asking the right guys! I could be interested.[/QUOTE]Count me in gor GBs.

Going forward I don't want to hear any stories about you mongers being taken for a ride by these SW you guys been around long enough to know better, stop paying these ladies top dollar and last but not least learn to Share some numbers it's not that serious these women are Hoes not girlfriends or wives treat them accordingly I could care less about the numbers it's just seems like a female trait when you guys do that as always be safe and have a happy new year.

[QUOTE=SamEyeAm;2747491]Last month I has a great time at 905. Unfortunately, my trip there last night was not as good.

Got there and the asked the mammasan who was working that night and she said "Everybody. Who do you know?" So I asked for Apple. Unfortunately, she said that Apple was busy. So then I asked for any girl that's young and pretty. She said ok and then left. What walked in next was not what I asked for. Mid-40's woman, looked a bit worn, and had an attitude. Didn't catch her name. Paid the house fee. 6 and without even providing a massage she immediately asked what I wanted regarding extras. I asked for FS. And I was negotiating with her. For her (and her attitude) I wasn't willing to pay more than. 8. I had more, just didn't appreciate her rudeness.

She said no for that rate we agreed on a CBJ. Aside from not getting even a mediocre massage, her mic skills were poor. Used her hands more than her lips. Then she positioned into a 69 position. But told me I couldn't use my tongue. This was done, I'm assuming, so I wouldn't see that she was mostly using hands. Didn't want to taste anyway. It smelled like I wasn't the first one there. Now, I am a realist who knows that these women deal with many guys in a single day; bu, t I appreciate it if they at least freshen up so I can at least pretend that I'm her only client that day.

After I finished and was getting dressed, she commented on my age and said I was too young to come here (I'm in my mid-30's).[/QUOTE]8 for FS is plain insulting. That's just asking for crappy service. These ladies deal with dicks (both metaphorically and literally) day in and day out. A little respect and gratitude, both in attitude and in dollars, goes a very long way. When a provider knows you're cool, she will gladly introduce you to the other girls. That's my experience, anyway.

[QUOTE=CapnJohnSmith;2748067]8 for FS is plain insulting. That's just asking for crappy service. These ladies deal with dicks (both metaphorically and literally) day in and day out. A little respect and gratitude, both in attitude and in dollars, goes a very long way. When a provider knows you're cool, she will gladly introduce you to the other girls. That's my experience, anyway.[/QUOTE]I give plenty of respect and gratitude when I get treated appropriately. Wouldn't have low balled if she wasn't seriously rude (rude before we discussed $). Additionally, I'm not paying 1. 4 (house fee + tip) for a rude worn-out woman to give me shitty service. Could have (should have) gone to BP an met with a girl half her age, twice as pretty, and much more pleasant for that fee.

[QUOTE=CapnJohnSmith;2748067]8 for FS is plain insulting. That's just asking for crappy service. These ladies deal with dicks (both metaphorically and literally) day in and day out. A little respect and gratitude, both in attitude and in dollars, goes a very long way. When a provider knows you're cool, she will gladly introduce you to the other girls. That's my experience, anyway.[/QUOTE]If you cannot afford the hobby, find another. I have been doing this a long time, and if there is one rule that has to be followed, it is pay the lady. And when you do get what you want, repeat and pay a little more. It is a very simple game.

Yup, always treat the ladies well and you get a good service in return.

One time the woman offered me the service upgrade including FS for 8! That was a rare deal. Hopefully, in a few years, we will see more spas accepting $1 or below for full menu as the supply overgrows the demand.

[QUOTE=CapnJohnSmith;2748067]8 for FS is plain insulting. That's just asking for crappy service. These ladies deal with dicks (both metaphorically and literally) day in and day out. A little respect and gratitude, both in attitude and in dollars, goes a very long way. When a provider knows you're cool, she will gladly introduce you to the other girls. That's my experience, anyway.[/QUOTE]

You should consider yourself fortunate that you did not see Apple, because if you tried to pull a stunt like that on her.

She would have kicked you out.