Went down magazine st, advise from one of the member here. Tons of LE around and just 1 crack girl. All the streets around the area looks like its an alley. Might be back, if im around the area.
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Went down magazine st, advise from one of the member here. Tons of LE around and just 1 crack girl. All the streets around the area looks like its an alley. Might be back, if im around the area.
Why do you think LE decoy's are good looking? They only good looking girls in PD's are on TV. If you want to spot a LE Decoy look for the fugly minority and the team of cops that's going to be around someplace. But you are right in that decoys don't move.
I know the girl in the puffy white jacket, she's no decoy. ;)
[QUOTE=Luvdozer]I know this report is like 10 days old, but I am so damn embarassed about my actions that it has taken me this long to write a posting.
I just got Satellite Radio installed in my car (i recommend Sirius) and needed an excuse to soend some time listening to my new 120 channels of digital sound. So, I left my house around 10:30 pm and headed downtown.
Boston - Chinatown:
Almost immediately upon hitting downtown I see two uber-hot SWs. THe first one was opposite the Store 24 on Tremont. This girl was smoking hot, but by the time I looped around she was gone and I never saw her again. I am sure she was working because - aww hell, you know how I know.
As I looped around that area, there was another very hot girl standing on the corner of Isabella and Arlington.
Let's take a minute and review the tell tale signs of a police decoy. What are the two sure signs that a given SW is actually undercover LE? #1 - she is too good looking for the street scene. #2 she stands in one place and doesnt walk around. This girl satisfied both criteria, so I just couldnt bring myself to bite depsite 4 laps - I am sure she was annoyed.
Later on, I saw a very cute WSW in a white puffy jacket and headband walked the little park in front of the park plaza. She was talking on a cellphone, but gave me the nod on my second lap. As far as I was concerned, she also met criteria #1 and #2 so I kept cruising.
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Then I headed for home. Sometimes this hobby is brutal.[/QUOTE]
Since I have never been busted by a decoy, I am not speaking from personal experience. However, I have read in this and other forums advice to this effect. I think that the idea here is that some areas only have SWs who are skanky and cracked out - so any normal healthy female looks good by comparison. I also think that when a PD does have an attractive looking female cop they are love to send her out on decoy duty because she becomes the flame to the mongers' moth.
#1 Never talk about sex , price or any other matter, out of the car.
#2 LE will never get in the car
#3 Roll window down and ask do you need a ride?
IF she ask what are you looking for, keep driving
Never say another word
Remember for every John they arrest, they are rewarded with a doughnut.
My dog will do tricks for dog cookies, LE will bust balls for doughnuts
Although I agree that a decoy will usually not go into a car, I would hesitate to say that they NEVER go into a car. If you think the girl is LE, listen to that inner voice. Do not count yourelf safe just becuase a girl gets into your car-- especially in dense urban areas.
That's only true on re runs of TJ Hooker, NYPD Blue, et al. If you want to turn to some semi truth in TV then look at that white trash docu drama 'COPS'; the show were the US Constitution is generally used as toliet paper for 30 minutes. The decoys are generally fugly or plain at best.
I've seen BPD decoys and they are generally fugly minorities. BPD generally doesn't even bother to run Operation Squeeze anymore because they have had a very tight control over SW's for the last 3-4 years. But they still do it to get that splash in the Globe or the Herald.
BTW - In case anyone doesn't know, cops do lie. So you think you may be playing it cute when you roll up on her and say, hey need a ride someplace. But that may not be what it says in your arrest report.
[QUOTE=Luvdozer]Since I have never been busted by a decoy, I am not speaking from personal experience. However, I have read in this and other forums advice to this effect. I think that the idea here is that some areas only have SWs who are skanky and cracked out - so any normal healthy female looks good by comparison. I also think that when a PD does have an attractive looking female cop they are love to send her out on decoy duty because she becomes the flame to the mongers' moth.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]That's only true on re runs of TJ Hooker, NYPD Blue, et al. If you want to turn to some semi truth in TV then look at that white trash docu drama 'COPS'; the show were the US Constitution is generally used as toliet paper for 30 minutes. The decoys are generally fugly or plain at best.
I've seen BPD decoys and they are generally fugly minorities. BPD generally doesn't even bother to run Operation Squeeze anymore because they have had a very tight control over SW's for the last 3-4 years. But they still do it to get that splash in the Globe or the Herald.
BTW - In case anyone doesn't know, cops do lie. So you think you may be playing it cute when you roll up on her and say, hey need a ride someplace. But that may not be what it says in your arrest report.[/QUOTE]
This is a pretty broad, if not, quite inaccurate statement. It's doubtful that you or anyone on else on the board truly understand Constitutional rights vis à vie police powers.
Cops lie, so do fireman, teachers, doctors, lawyers, notaries public, or anyone else who's human. Would you think that nabbing you would be worth the risk of a cop committing perjury and losing their job? Get off your high horse. Generally, when prostitution cases go before a jury the evidence that you or anyone else solicited an undercover police officer typically is a tape of your voice making an offer for sex for money. Police testimony on a misdemeanor case like this without a tape will usually get thrown out for a first offense.
You either have very little experience dealing with the police-court system or you live in a place called Utopia. I live in a place called Boston, it's on the northeast coast of the US. Where police officers (a minority) are involved in the drug trade, gangs, prostitution and other things people like you wouldn't believe police officers would be involved in. There is actually a term for police officers lying on the stand, it's call testilying. To think that a civil servant, union protected police officer is worried about losing his job for lying on the stand makes you sound so naive I don't even know where to begin to address it. Next you'll be telling me the court system doesn't favor the police officer. Or that a couple of decades ago the FBI in Boston wasn't protecting murdering gangsters.
Instead of it being called 'Cops' it should be called 'Violation of Due Process'. The court system (which is part of the same system) and the general public looks the other way because they fear social anarchy. Not to further cloud the subject. But the long and short of police powers in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts over that of an ordinary citizen is that a police officer can arrest someone based on the testimony of another person, thats it.
Excuse my harsh words, but as far as the court system works in reality you are clueless - there is nothing else that can be said on that subject. Instead of getting your information from Cop and Legal TV shows go sit your ass down in an actual court room.
As far as you saying that no one on this board truly understands the Constitution of the United States, well, it is quite the short document and easy to understand. However a mix of nine people over various times have tried to put their own spin on it.
[QUOTE=SF Boarder]This is a pretty broad, if not, quite inaccurate statement. It's doubtful that you or anyone on else on the board truly understand Constitutional rights vis à vie police powers.
Cops lie, so do fireman, teachers, doctors, lawyers, notaries public, or anyone else who's human. Would you think that nabbing you would be worth the risk of a cop committing perjury and losing their job? Get off your high horse. Generally, when prostitution cases go before a jury the evidence that you or anyone else solicited an undercover police officer typically is a tape of your voice making an offer for sex for money. Police testimony on a misdemeanor case like this without a tape will usually get thrown out for a first offense.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]You either have very little experience dealing with the police-court system or you live in a place called Utopia. I live in a place called Boston, it's on the northeast coast of the US. Where police officers (a minority) are involved in the drug trade, gangs, prostitution and other things people like you wouldn't believe police officers would be involved in. There is actually a term for police officers lying on the stand, it's call testilying. To think that a civil servant, union protected police officer is worried about losing his job for lying on the stand makes you sound so naive I don't even know where to begin to address it. Next you'll be telling me the court system doesn't favor the police officer.
Instead of it being called 'Cops' it should be called 'Violation of Due Process'. The court system (which is part of the same system) and the general public looks the other way because they fear social anarchy. Not to further cloud the subject. But the long and short of police powers in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts over that of an ordinary citizen is that a police officer can arrest someone based on the testimony of another person, thats it.
Excuse my harsh words, but as far as the court system works in reality you are clueless - there is nothing else that can be said on that subject. Instead of getting your information from Cop and Legal TV shows go sit your ass down in an actual court room.
As far as you saying that no one on this board truly understands the Constitution of the United States, well, it is quite the short document and easy to understand. However a mix of nine people over various times have tried to put their own spin on it.[/QUOTE]Cruiser I think you are being a little harsh here but I believe you are mostly right. I was pulled in on a sting during my rookie mongering year and if it was not for a great lawyer I would have been convicted. While the officer can get on the stand and lie most of the time they are taping you so they don't need to. Without a tape most major cities will not even take the time to try to prosecute you. Since any good lawyer will get you out of it. However, that does not mean a cop will not lie to pull you over with a girl and attempt to get useful testimony from you.
I've been pulled over with a girl in my car and my only suggestion is to say as little as possible without being an outright ass. If he wants to take you in at that point he will. Most of the time he is looking for drugs, will haul the girl away and tell you to get the f out of dodge.
As far as the rules TTBearHug was talking about the first one is good but the other 2 frankly suck. Sorry TTBearHug I'm not trying to be an ass but the last two are generally good advice. Decoys can get into your car. Some agencies will allow if for the safety of their officers but some can. Getting into your car is only part of the way there. I'm not a lawyer and maybe MA has a specific law about it but I know for a fact that some places girls will get in your car. One place in particular is SanFran.
I also never offer a girl a ride since most cities have an ordinance about picking people up that you do not know. Here in Chicago it is for unauthorized cabbies. So even if you go up to an undercover and ask her if she needs a ride you can be pulled over.
I try to pull over and pretend to hit on the girl. It seems to work. I have actually gotten out of two good stings that way. The girls seemed utterly shocked and did not know what to say. Most of the working girls I see actually giggle and hop right in. Keeping the decoys on their toes can help that spidey sense kick in.
All in all what we do has an inherent risk to it. Of course that is why most of us go out on the hunt in the first place. If you do not feel right then always say no. Most stings are not well setup. The cruisers needs to be close. The girls seldom move too far. And they usually want to talk money outside of the car. But these are not sure things. Don't forget some of us have a life changing event and go to the other side. Some of them are hobbyists too. As they say "It takes a thief to catch a thief".
Stay safe and Happy Hunting.
Da Fett
Good advice.
The cops and the DA's generally count on the john falling apart like a house of cards and either hanging himself or accepting a poor plea bargin. Be polite, be smart and lawyer up if it gets to that point. It will cost, but as OJ knows a good lawyer will get you out of anything.
I haven't had a BJ in my life that was worth getting arrest for. If it doesn't feel right or she is taking to long to get in the car pass. There will be another night and another girl.
[QUOTE=Boobi Fett]Cruiser I think you are being a little harsh here but I believe you are mostly right. I was pulled in on a sting during my rookie mongering year and if it was not for a great lawyer I would have been convicted. While the officer can get on the stand and lie most of the time they are taping you so they don't need to. Without a tape most major cities will not even take the time to try to prosecute you. Since any good lawyer will get you out of it. However, that does not mean a cop will not lie to pull you over with a girl and attempt to get useful testimony from you.
I've been pulled over with a girl in my car and my only suggestion is to say as little as possible without being an outright ass. If he wants to take you in at that point he will. Most of the time he is looking for drugs, will haul the girl away and tell you to get the f out of dodge.
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Stay safe and Happy Hunting.
Da Fett[/QUOTE]
There's a lot of advice and tips to give on how to avoid/spot/not pick up a decoy but here's one way that works regardless of the individual laws of a particular state.
Don't pick her up until you see someone else pick her up first. If he picks her up, drives away, does his business, then brings her back at least 20 minutes later without any police activity she's not a decoy. If you still have doubts, wait until you see her get picked up and returned by several different guys.
If someone other than the guy who picked her up brings her back or she comes back in a cab or walks back stay away, at least until you do some more recon. She may not be a cop but there's a reason he didn't bring her back and that's usually a customer service issue, like girls who stop before you "arrive" and demand more money to finish you off, although sometimes it's because he's a piece of shit fucking pussy who got violent with her or tried to cheat her.
You can argue courts. You can argue cops. But basically it comes down to Karma. That's right gentlemen. It's what the cop feels like at the moment. He could care less about a "conviction". He knows by merely picking you up, he's given you a major hassle, if not life changing experience. Who needs a conviction when will you already be convicted by your family? Face it, the court fine is merely an embarresment. Hey, if I was single, I would just laugh.
Now down to brass tacks. Say nothing, be polite and coopertive. Sounds contradictory? Well it should. Because a million thoughts will be going through your head but the ultimate motive is to drive away. Do what it takes SHORT OF ADMITTING ANYTHING. Even breaking down and crying is OK.
That is advice if you are caught. But with a little common sense you shouldn't get caught. You can sense when things aren't right. And don't believe that decoys are all fugly. Two years ago I saw decoy in Lawrence that would make your head spin.
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Basically good luck. You know the risks. You know the consequences.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]You either have very little experience dealing with the police-court system or you live in a place called Utopia.[/QUOTE]
I'm willing to bet I have much more litigation experience than you and The Commonwealth is far from utopia. One of us watches 'Cops' too much, and it isn't me. Your own comments regarding your observations on television of what you believe are "violations of due process" are humorus at best.
Since the United States Constitution is so simple to you, might want to study the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts since it is, generally, what the U.S. Constitution was modeled after. But you already knew that.
Shall I assume you will be giving everyone a lesson on the Massachusetts Rules of Criminal Procedure? Then again, how would you know about it if it isn't covered on 'Cops'?
Thats one of the most useless posts I've seen on these board, SF. No need for a pissing match about who's been through the court system more, or an episode of COPS? Come on!
Lots of great advice and thoughts have been said...not always in the best way, but who gives a shit.
One thing I am curious about...would anyone be willing to post about their LEO encounter and actually dealing with the legal system and shit?
I'm pretty sure I remember all the regulars, lynntrash, meatman, the other MM that I cant remember right now, Senior (RIP) and a few of the other regulars (back in the haydays), have talked about their "close" encounter before. BUT to save you some time, I'll reminisce the day I almost piss, shitted in my pants. I'll keep it short.
I picked up a BSW near by store 24 in CT back than this was one of my 1st time hunting and in the tail end of SW in CT. Anyways I took her near by southstation, an alley. While she was giving me a BJ a LE came out from "no where" blocks me from the exit point of the alley.
He gets out, walks over (at this point, I'm like ooooo shittt . What do we do, what do we do (remember I was young and one of the 1st time hunting) taps on my windows and ask what we were doing. I told him just chilling, ask whos car I was driving (told him my uncles, which it was). Anyways to wrap this up, he tells the BSW to get out, and go her way, gave me a tough lash, and tells me if he ever catches me down here again, I wont be so lucky. 5 years later I'm still hunting. Of course not as much. (not because I don't want too, street action have dried) and not as much in CT anymore. Sorry, if you guys didn’t understand parts of this. Had to make it quick.