"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

My advice is to you is simple. Don't lend money to anyone that you aren't prepared to lose. If she's your ATF and can afford it, give it to her. One thing that you will get for your money is the knowledge that she is indeed your ATF. If she never pays you back then you will know that somewhere down the line this issue was going to rear it's head and it may have cost you more money.

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1868587]Man this is a busy weekend. Usually weekends are my time off from mongering. But anyway I just got this from my current favorite baby she is SB5. Very strong contender for ATF status. She is my little girl next door and she has never given me any problems. But she is having money problems. Works two jobs one a professional job but does not pay great. And she lives in a decent place. But she did get a DUI and is dealing with the cost of that. So I get this text today. I have not responded yet. What would you do?

"Hey I hate to ask this, but have a huge favor to ask. Is there anyway I could borrow money from you? I could really use the help and don't know what else to do. I can pay you back next Monday when my paycheck comes thru"

I have a few options.

1. I could just say sorry but I can't.

2. I could say ok I will loan you the money.

3. I could not respond at all.

4. I could say ok I will make it an advance on our next visit. We are currently at 200 per visit. And I have not asked her how much she needs.

5. I could just give her the money.

I am concerned about a few things. She could take the advance or loan and just bolt with it. Forcing me to swallow that and being treated like a chump. Or even forcing me to walk away. If I did give her the money it could be a show of goodwill and helping someone who I like. If I refuse or ignore the request it may damage our relationship which I am concerned about because I do like her a lot.

What you you do.

Revvo[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1868510]After my incident below. I am considering a stealth vasectomy. I understand there is a no scalpel vasectomy that does not even leave an incision. It is very low impact and only leaves a small puncture. Plus a small shave area on the balls. Then there is a two week no sex period I believe.

I think I could get away with it. The only way I see to get caught is possibly if I get complications which are very low in probability.

Any thoughts?

Anyone ever go this route?

Successes or failures?[/QUOTE]Did that almost 20 years ago now. Best move I ever made.

Didn't go the stealth route, though; my wife knew and approved. We were done having kids, and she didn't want to do the tubal. I wasn't as squeamish. (:

It was one of the deciding factors of my girl letting us go raw. She is apparently allergic to most birth control, so when she found out I was snipped, she immediately asked if we could get tested and go bare.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1868587]5. I could just give her the money.[/QUOTE]As others have said, there's no shame in asking how much and deciding from there. But as others have also said, consider it gone.

If any of you guys in the DC / Baltimore area are looking to see a little spinner today or tonight, SB4 my Chinese / Russian SB has asked for my help. I was supposed to see her but my ATF, SB1 the late 30's blonde came up and spent the night. She needs $$ and cannot host, but I can assure you she's an awful lot of fun and well worth it!

MW

[QUOTE=Marcus Weiner;1869142]My advice is to you is simple. Don't lend money to anyone that you aren't prepared to lose. If she's your ATF and can afford it, give it to her. One thing that you will get for your money is the knowledge that she is indeed your ATF. If she never pays you back then you will know that somewhere down the line this issue was going to rear it's head and it may have cost you more money.[/QUOTE]I am going to lend / give her the money. I will let you know how it goes. I honestly think she is sincere. And I would not do this for any other baby.

Down the rabbit hole I go.

[QUOTE=Marcus Weiner; 1869164]If any of you guys in the DC / Baltimore area are looking to see a little spinner today or tonight, SB4 my Chinese / Russian SB has asked for my help. I was supposed to see her but my ATF, SB1 the late 30's blonde came up and spent the night. She needs $$ and cannot host, but I can assure you she's an awful lot of fun and well worth it!

MW[/QUOTE]I know there is a thin line between pro's, UTR's, non pro' and some sugar babies, but if she is just willing to see anybody.

For 200 bucks, I would probably put her in the UTR or non pro category, and not SB role. I'm not dissing you there is nothing wrong with

Non pro's, but SB's are suppose to be closer to real life FWB (bootycalls) or GF's and non pro and UTR's are closer to pro's

Rob, she is one of 4 to 5 girls I see often. Sometimes I become spread so thin that I cannot help them all. I was supposed to see her last night but wasn't able to. She had counted on my help and asked me if I knew anyone that I trusted. She's on SA WYP and SD4M and I wanted the regular posters to this thread know that she was looking for help. I had dozens of offers for her but selected a guy that I know from the Baltimore Non-Pro thread. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers on this thread. I was only trying to help a damsel in distress that I screwed up with.

MW.

[QUOTE=Rob Taylor; 1869222]I know there is a thin line between pro's, UTR's, non pro' and some sugar babies, but if she is just willing to see anybody.

For 200 bucks, I would probably put her in the UTR or non pro category, and not SB role. I'm not dissing you there is nothing wrong with

Non pro's, but SB's are suppose to be closer to real life FWB (bootycalls) or GF's and non pro and UTR's are closer to pro's[/QUOTE]

This will only work if the wife is fertile. In many circumstances the wife will have had her tubes tied at the same time as last birth. Then you have a problem explaining why you should have a vasectomy.

[QUOTE=Zomby; 1869152]Did that almost 20 years ago now. Best move I ever made.

Didn't go the stealth route, though; my wife knew and approved. We were done having kids, and she didn't want to do the tubal. I wasn't as squeamish. (:

It was one of the deciding factors of my girl letting us go raw. She is apparently allergic to most birth control, so when she found out I was snipped, she immediately asked if we could get tested and go bare.[/QUOTE]

You will expel less. Ummm. Nut. Sooo. If your SO is use too being covered. They may notice a difference.

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1868510]After my incident below. I am considering a stealth vasectomy. I understand there is a no scalpel vasectomy that does not even leave an incision. It is very low impact and only leaves a small puncture. Plus a small shave area on the balls. Then there is a two week no sex period I believe.

I think I could get away with it. The only way I see to get caught is possibly if I get complications which are very low in probability.

Any thoughts?

Anyone ever go this route?

Successes or failures?[/QUOTE]

Like Dave Ramsey says. Thanksgiving dinner just tastes different when family members OWE each other money. Soooo. Either just give it to her or tell her you are on a budget too and what you give her is what you can afford. Or maybe give her partial reemphasizing that you are on a budget too but want to help some.

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1868587]Man this is a busy weekend. Usually weekends are my time off from mongering. But anyway I just got this from my current favorite baby she is SB5. Very strong contender for ATF status. She is my little girl next door and she has never given me any problems. But she is having money problems. Works two jobs one a professional job but does not pay great. And she lives in a decent place. But she did get a DUI and is dealing with the cost of that. So I get this text today. I have not responded yet. What would you do?

"Hey I hate to ask this, but have a huge favor to ask. Is there anyway I could borrow money from you? I could really use the help and don't know what else to do. I can pay you back next Monday when my paycheck comes thru"

I have a few options.

1. I could just say sorry but I can't.

2. I could say ok I will loan you the money.

3. I could not respond at all.

4. I could say ok I will make it an advance on our next visit. We are currently at 200 per visit. And I have not asked her how much she needs.

5. I could just give her the money.

I am concerned about a few things. She could take the advance or loan and just bolt with it. Forcing me to swallow that and being treated like a chump. Or even forcing me to walk away. If I did give her the money it could be a show of goodwill and helping someone who I like. If I refuse or ignore the request it may damage our relationship which I am concerned about because I do like her a lot.

What you you do.

Revvo[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970; 1868518]A reminder to my brothers and a piece of advice to guys who are just entering our "hobby": No matter how much you trust a SB, never leave her alone with the sugar offering. I learned that the hard way last night.

I sent her a text, tried to call her. No response. I finally started to get bad feeling and sure enough, I checked my gym bag to see what she had taken.

What's amazing is that this girl only got away 2/3 of her sugar for the night, she could have stayed and gotten even more at the end of the night. Hell, she could have even stayed in our original arrangement and gotten four times what she stole every single month. And I had enough trust in her and thought I knew her well enough that she would never think of stealing from me. Just one more cautionary tale that sometimes we don't know these girls as well as we think we do. Be on your guard out there![/QUOTE]I related a similar tale some weeks ago. They must be disgusted with the guy they rip off not to go ahead and fuck for an hour / week and score honestly earned change. I'm sure my thief hasn't had a sex partner as kind. Considerate, and handsome as me haha. But seriously, some of these Nando 1s are dirtbags through and through and would rather steal than earn an "honest" wage. The short sightedness just flabbergasts me.

Hmmm, let's do the math. $250 / week =1000 / month ves stealing 200 and running. Stuuuuupid!

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1868587]Man this is a busy weekend. Usually weekends are my time off from mongering. But anyway I just got this from my current favorite baby she is SB5. Very strong contender for ATF status. She is my little girl next door and she has never given me any problems. But she is having money problems. Works two jobs one a professional job but does not pay great. And she lives in a decent place. But she did get a DUI and is dealing with the cost of that. So I get this text today. I have not responded yet. What would you do?

"Hey I hate to ask this, but have a huge favor to ask. Is there anyway I could borrow money from you? I could really use the help and don't know what else to do. I can pay you back next Monday when my paycheck comes thru"

I have a few options.

1. I could just say sorry but I can't.

2. I could say ok I will loan you the money.

3. I could not respond at all.

4. I could say ok I will make it an advance on our next visit. We are currently at 200 per visit. And I have not asked her how much she needs.

5. I could just give her the money.

I am concerned about a few things. She could take the advance or loan and just bolt with it. Forcing me to swallow that and being treated like a chump. Or even forcing me to walk away. If I did give her the money it could be a show of goodwill and helping someone who I like. If I refuse or ignore the request it may damage our relationship which I am concerned about because I do like her a lot.

What you you do.

Revvo[/QUOTE]This has been well covered by the Board but I will re-relate my experience. I have advanced at least 4 girls money who I had seen for over 4 visits each. I got burned on 3/4 of them. One recently I had to cancel on and she was counting on the $ to pay electric. I gave it to her since it was my fault and she was very appreciative when we met soon after. If she asks again I will give it to her. The other recent SB stiffed me and went dark after 5 prior visits in the FC. She gave up $1000 / month in ongoing payments and the pleasure of being fucked well.

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1869176]I am going to lend / give her the money. I will let you know how it goes. I honestly think she is sincere. And I would not do this for any other baby.

Down the rabbit hole I go.[/QUOTE]So I did the loan / gift. And made sure she understood that she knew I wanted to help her and was happy to do so. That I never do this. But also that this would not be a common thing. She emphatically agreed. I Wanted to do it in person. But just could not get away. She lives about 45 minutes away.

She has continued to stay in touch with me and shows no indication of bolting. If anything she seems to be getting closer to me.

I used the Western Union through a local supermarket to send the money. And she was extremely grateful and appreciative and promised to show her appreciation on Wednesday when we get together.)

Here is the downside. The Western Union Folks wanted my full contact info, and real name. I never give my real name to my SB until very late in the game. I faked my address but my real name she needed to pick up the money.

Is there a way to send money anonymously? I know about Green Dot but they already have to have a card for that. She did not.

Oh the risks we take.

Revvo

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1869863]Here is the downside. The Western Union Folks wanted my full contact info, and real name. I never give my real name to my SB until very late in the game. I faked my address but my real name she needed to pick up the money.

Is there a way to send money anonymously? I know about Green Dot but they already have to have a card for that. She did not.

Oh the risks we take.

Revvo[/QUOTE]Revvo,

I applaud you helping your baby out like you did. I have done the same from time to time, and never had it backfire. I am concerned, however, about her having your real name now. Let's hope [I]that[/I] doesn't come back to bite you. You could have waited an hour more while she went and got herself a green dot card for four bucks and remained under cover.

Fingers crossed for you,

Scott

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1869863]So I did the loan / gift. And made sure she understood that she knew I wanted to help her and was happy to do so. That I never do this. But also that this would not be a common thing. She emphatically agreed. I Wanted to do it in person. But just could not get away. She lives about 45 minutes away.

She has continued to stay in touch with me and shows no indication of bolting. If anything she seems to be getting closer to me.

I used the Western Union through a local supermarket to send the money. And she was extremely grateful and appreciative and promised to show her appreciation on Wednesday when we get together.)

Here is the downside. The Western Union Folks wanted my full contact info, and real name. I never give my real name to my SB until very late in the game. I faked my address but my real name she needed to pick up the money.

Is there a way to send money anonymously? I know about Green Dot but they already have to have a card for that. She did not.

Oh the risks we take.

Revvo[/QUOTE]You could have mailed a money order (don't know the amount), but she would have to wait a couple days for it to arrive. Funny how these girls not only need money, then need it NOW. It never is as big an emergency as they make it out to be.

But, I would think if she has reached Baby status, then her having your real name is no big deal.