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[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3351471]Great description of signs. Based on knowing her for over 6-7 months, the past texts like, "Can I see you for $60? I just need some help. " Many times, even less a few times, that's definitely "Stacy"/ M. Bob said below she's actually a decent person, and I believe that too, though we have both, several times, cursed her as a POS for some of her lies and fabricated stories. I do wish her well, and I really hope those reading this would stop enabling her, but we all know, there are going to be those that don't care about what's right. Sad to see it.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I never said she was a POS by any means. I really liked her, just don't want to enable. I do wish her well.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3351265]That's how they survive. Their life as an addict is complete facade. They can't let their sober family members and sober friends know that they are an addict, heaven forbid. They lie, cheat, steal and most of all do anything and everything to deceive those around them that they are sober and normal. Addiction is a disease of the body, mind and spirit. Here is an excerpt from the NA Fifth Addition book chapter one about who is an addict.

[B][I]"Our whole life and thinking was centered around drugs in one form or another - the getting and the using and finding ways and means to get more. We lived to use and used to live."[/I][/B]

A provider who was an active user once told me that her "SEX" was the drug and the service she provided was the means to get the "Carrot", the $, to feed her sex. A monger on this board asked me to enlighten him on how to tell if someone is an addict. Sometimes it's very easy and sometimes you have to put the pieces of the puzzle of an addicts life together to truly be sure. Most addicts are extremely good at covering up their HIGH for a short period of time, like a provider doing a service. Most of the time they can act fairly normal during a HHR or HR session, just long enough to make the $ to see the pharmacist. The puzzle pieces of addiction are what goes on before and after the session. Here are some of the signs of addiction both the obvious and the puzzle pieces.

[B]Obvious Signs:[/B]

Depending on the drug of choice they will be sweating, teeth clenching, rapid jaw movement, head bobbing, obvious paranoia, nodding out, coughing, sniffling or nose dripping. The pupils of the eye will vary depending on the drug of choice. After taking cocaine, marijuana, or amphetamines, for example, your pupils get noticeably larger, while opiates such as heroin constrict the pupils like pinheads. Track marks are another obvious sign but remember some will shoot up in between toes, under the nails of toes or fingers, behind the knee cap, under the tongue, in or around the genitals, etc. Leslie was always able to use the same vein and entry point for the needle, she told me so, most needle users blow their veins up and have to find new ones, Sam is one of these. If they say they got bit by a spider and have a large welt, I can pretty much bet they blew up that vein and a welt is the result. Even though heroin is a depressant a recent user can be very hyper, very active, in other words loves to fuck. But once they sit down and relax they start to nod off. Thus an active heroin user who just partook before you walked in can't cuddle for long. This is true with any depressants.

Teeth are another obvious sign. Blackened rotting roots are a result of smoking some sort of drug. Meth and heroin are the worst at this. Skin condition is another. Everyone has heard of the sores on a meth addict. It's a result of the drug and the insistent picking at the body. Crack addicts are similar. Autumn Sky would have severe acne issues when using heavily. Sores and blemishes are not nearly as common with crack as when using meth.

Personal hygiene is another sign. They are messy, room is a mess, trash is piled up, condoms are laying around. That's if they have them. If a provider doesn't have condoms available and try to do it bare then more than likely they are using because they don't care. If she asks you to pick up condoms on the way then just beware of the possibility of her being an addict especially after you do and then she says "we don't have to use it if you don't want to, I'm clean. " Remember you are no special than the monger before you and the one that will follow you.

[B]Pieces of the Puzzle[/B]

This is the part I use to confirm whether someone is an active addict or a recovering addict. Many of the obvious signs can be a result of other health issues. Past needle users will have old track marks, past smokers will have bad teeth or just haven't had the money to deal with years of not seeing a dentist. Many of the obvious signs can have several other reasons, but someone with three or more of the obvious signs is an active addict. The most obvious puzzle piece is [RED]Follow the Money[/RED]. They never have any and always need your help. All the stories, I call them lies, they tell you. I was robbed, stolen from, gave it to mom because I owed her, need it for utility bills that are about to be turned off, phone bill is due, child support is due, I have to pay back a friend, dog died, I wrecked my car, I'm sleeping in my car (when it's below zero outside) well I can go on and on. Remember an active will lie about anything to get their next fix, so follow the lies. They will eventually trip up and say one lie that is completely inconsistent with previous lie.

The economics of following the money is also important. A decent sober provider that gives good service at a very nominal $100 per visit will see 4 - 5 hobbyists a day. So let's say it's 4, that's $400 per day, five days a week is $2,000 week or $8,000 a month before any expenses. Yet they never have any money. Heroin sells for around $200 a gram depending on the grade and how it is cut. A moderate user is going through anywhere from 1-3 grams a day. That's a $200 - $600 a day habit. Thus the $400 service fees diminish very quickly. So now go back to the lies as why they don't have the money and desperately need your help. The text, the call, the desperation of needing only $40 or $60 or $80 dollars, can you please help them out? A monger told me that Jasmine contacted him recently and offered $40 for greek service. She doesn't like greek, but the need for a fix was greater than the pain she was going to have in her ass for a couple of minutes.

Gathering the evidence is also an important piece of the puzzle. Arriving early and not leaving right after the session helps to add to the pieces. I arrived early to see Kat, right after another monger saw her. She told me she had to wait on her mother to pick up money so "Could I hold off before coming over. " Sure I said, little did she know that I was parked down the street. She had two visitors before she told me to come on. A black guy in a Mercedes and a young white woman in a White SUV. Both times transactions were made through the window and then she texted me "I'm ready". Sam had her supplier come pick up money right after I left. One time I almost ran into him leaving her room right after she had a session with the guy before me. He is both a supplier and a pimp and deals with both Sam and Kat and others that work out of the 21st and Shadeland drug hotels. Locations is another key. Bad hotels and bad areas of town are another sign.

Whenever I evaluate if a provider is an active addict or a recovering addict I use both types of evidence [B]Obvious and Pieces of the Puzzle[/B]. Now most of you don't need to do all of this. To you it's simple, they are provider / escorts so they must be using otherwise they wouldn't be doing this. I don't see it that way. There are several that do it because that's the way they earn a living or the way they get the sex they need and get paid for it. I also like to believe someone until they prove me wrong so I do believe some stories, hell we all get bad luck every so often. But not for 4,5,6,7,8 etc. Months! That is Sam, Kat, Jasmine, Christine and now probably Star. They always have an excuse for needing help, living in a dive and always out of money. So this is how I do it, I have learned much over the years and I won't see a provider if I determine through the above means that she is active. I will not enable them like I did Star Baby. I have set my boundaries. Crissee in Cincy is one of the best providers I have known, she begged for my help to stay clean, yet once the pieces of the puzzle were put together I stopped. Her deception was better than her service. She never wanted my help, only my carrot at the end of the session. The problem is I really don't like carrots that much, I prefer Lima beans!

P.S. I just saw BgDoc3's post when I hit post on this one. Silk was a fine lady, I met her years ago. I am sorry for the circumstances. BgDoc3 thank you for the post because many of us knew her. Let the Cincy mongers know that Crissee is headed down the same path as are others. Once again thank you.[/QUOTE]An extremely well thought out and erudite description of too many girls we have ALL known. And lost. To each his own, but on social principle alone I also avoid an addict if I can and FF post wraps it all up. Well done.

[QUOTE=ItsMyMrp;3351846]An extremely well thought out and erudite description of too many girls we have ALL known. And lost. To each his own, but on social principle alone I also avoid an addict if I can and FF post wraps it all up. Well done.[/QUOTE]I don't mind giving info, if you PM me asking questions, I answer them to the best of my ability, however; I get on here to read the funnies and it's distracting when I get repeated PM's from the same people with more questions about the same subject, so after a while I just quit answering those same guys, so we can fix this by thinking of all the questions you have in the first pm, instead of asking a question, me answering and then you asking another question, repeat, repeat.

[QUOTE=ItsMyMrp;3351846]An extremely well thought out and erudite description of too many girls we have ALL known. And lost. To each his own, but on social principle alone I also avoid an addict if I can and FF post wraps it all up. Well done.[/QUOTE]But this brings it all back and makes me a little sad. Well said.

So little time. I am in overload.

Seems like the selections out there right now are very good. That is a problem for a fairly new guy in the hobby.

AMPs. Easy pickings fairly sure thing but the suspense keeps it interesting.

USA. Very good choices and have seen a few with a few others Inwould like to see.

Backpage- Damn what to do? Haven't ventured here yet but the selection seems great.

What do you prefer?

Pretty Good Rant. Minus the names of the innocent until proven guilty. LOL Learning the signs of addiction and recognizing those signs takes time and usually cost just as much $$ I always distance myself from persons who might see me as a carrot. When you put all the ends together and they add up to addiction just step back and move on. There is no doubt that others use that point of recognition as a time for manipulation and personal perversion. If you let yourself become the carrot prepare to get eaten and shit out just like all the other carrots.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3351265]That's how they survive. Their life as an addict is complete facade. They can't let their sober family members and sober friends know that they are an addict, heaven forbid. They lie, cheat, steal and most of all do anything and everything to deceive those around them that they are sober and normal. Addiction is a disease of the body, mind and spirit. Here is an excerpt from the NA Fifth Addition book chapter one about who is an addict.

[B][I]"Our whole life and thinking was centered around drugs in one form or another - the getting and the using and finding ways and means to get more. We lived to use and used to live."[/I][/B]

A provider who was an active user once told me that her "SEX" was the drug and the service she provided was the means to get the "Carrot", the $, to feed her sex. A monger on this board asked me to enlighten him on how to tell if someone is an addict. Sometimes it's very easy and sometimes you have to put the pieces of the puzzle of an addicts life together to truly be sure. Most addicts are extremely good at covering up their HIGH for a short period of time, like a provider doing a service. Most of the time they can act fairly normal during a HHR or HR session, just long enough to make the $ to see the pharmacist. The puzzle pieces of addiction are what goes on before and after the session. Here are some of the signs of addiction both the obvious and the puzzle pieces.

[B]Obvious Signs:[/B]

Depending on the drug of choice they will be sweating, teeth clenching, rapid jaw movement, head bobbing, obvious paranoia, nodding out, coughing, sniffling or nose dripping. The pupils of the eye will vary depending on the drug of choice. After taking cocaine, marijuana, or amphetamines, for example, your pupils get noticeably larger, while opiates such as heroin constrict the pupils like pinheads. Track marks are another obvious sign but remember some will shoot up in between toes, under the nails of toes or fingers, behind the knee cap, under the tongue, in or around the genitals, etc. Leslie was always able to use the same vein and entry point for the needle, she told me so, most needle users blow their veins up and have to find new ones, Sam is one of these. If they say they got bit by a spider and have a large welt, I can pretty much bet they blew up that vein and a welt is the result. Even though heroin is a depressant a recent user can be very hyper, very active, in other words loves to fuck. But once they sit down and relax they start to nod off. Thus an active heroin user who just partook before you walked in can't cuddle for long. This is true with any depressants.

Teeth are another obvious sign. Blackened rotting roots are a result of smoking some sort of drug. Meth and heroin are the worst at this. Skin condition is another. Everyone has heard of the sores on a meth addict. It's a result of the drug and the insistent picking at the body. Crack addicts are similar. Autumn Sky would have severe acne issues when using heavily. Sores and blemishes are not nearly as common with crack as when using meth.

Personal hygiene is another sign. They are messy, room is a mess, trash is piled up, condoms are laying around. That's if they have them. If a provider doesn't have condoms available and try to do it bare then more than likely they are using because they don't care. If she asks you to pick up condoms on the way then just beware of the possibility of her being an addict especially after you do and then she says "we don't have to use it if you don't want to, I'm clean. " Remember you are no special than the monger before you and the one that will follow you.

[B]Pieces of the Puzzle[/B]

This is the part I use to confirm whether someone is an active addict or a recovering addict. Many of the obvious signs can be a result of other health issues. Past needle users will have old track marks, past smokers will have bad teeth or just haven't had the money to deal with years of not seeing a dentist. Many of the obvious signs can have several other reasons, but someone with three or more of the obvious signs is an active addict. The most obvious puzzle piece is [RED]Follow the Money[/RED]. They never have any and always need your help. All the stories, I call them lies, they tell you. I was robbed, stolen from, gave it to mom because I owed her, need it for utility bills that are about to be turned off, phone bill is due, child support is due, I have to pay back a friend, dog died, I wrecked my car, I'm sleeping in my car (when it's below zero outside) well I can go on and on. Remember an active will lie about anything to get their next fix, so follow the lies. They will eventually trip up and say one lie that is completely inconsistent with previous lie.

The economics of following the money is also important. A decent sober provider that gives good service at a very nominal $100 per visit will see 4 - 5 hobbyists a day. So let's say it's 4, that's $400 per day, five days a week is $2,000 week or $8,000 a month before any expenses. Yet they never have any money. Heroin sells for around $200 a gram depending on the grade and how it is cut. A moderate user is going through anywhere from 1-3 grams a day. That's a $200 - $600 a day habit. Thus the $400 service fees diminish very quickly. So now go back to the lies as why they don't have the money and desperately need your help. The text, the call, the desperation of needing only $40 or $60 or $80 dollars, can you please help them out? A monger told me that Jasmine contacted him recently and offered $40 for greek service. She doesn't like greek, but the need for a fix was greater than the pain she was going to have in her ass for a couple of minutes.

Gathering the evidence is also an important piece of the puzzle. Arriving early and not leaving right after the session helps to add to the pieces. I arrived early to see Kat, right after another monger saw her. She told me she had to wait on her mother to pick up money so "Could I hold off before coming over. " Sure I said, little did she know that I was parked down the street. She had two visitors before she told me to come on. A black guy in a Mercedes and a young white woman in a White SUV. Both times transactions were made through the window and then she texted me "I'm ready". Sam had her supplier come pick up money right after I left. One time I almost ran into him leaving her room right after she had a session with the guy before me. He is both a supplier and a pimp and deals with both Sam and Kat and others that work out of the 21st and Shadeland drug hotels. Locations is another key. Bad hotels and bad areas of town are another sign.

Whenever I evaluate if a provider is an active addict or a recovering addict I use both types of evidence [B]Obvious and Pieces of the Puzzle[/B]. Now most of you don't need to do all of this. To you it's simple, they are provider / escorts so they must be using otherwise they wouldn't be doing this. I don't see it that way. There are several that do it because that's the way they earn a living or the way they get the sex they need and get paid for it. I also like to believe someone until they prove me wrong so I do believe some stories, hell we all get bad luck every so often. But not for 4,5,6,7,8 etc. Months! That is Sam, Kat, Jasmine, Christine and now probably Star. They always have an excuse for needing help, living in a dive and always out of money. So this is how I do it, I have learned much over the years and I won't see a provider if I determine through the above means that she is active. I will not enable them like I did Star Baby. I have set my boundaries. Crissee in Cincy is one of the best providers I have known, she begged for my help to stay clean, yet once the pieces of the puzzle were put together I stopped. Her deception was better than her service. She never wanted my help, only my carrot at the end of the session. The problem is I really don't like carrots that much, I prefer Lima beans!

P.S. I just saw BgDoc3's post when I hit post on this one. Silk was a fine lady, I met her years ago. I am sorry for the circumstances. BgDoc3 thank you for the post because many of us knew her. Let the Cincy mongers know that Crissee is headed down the same path as are others. Once again thank you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BgDoc3;3351262]We have lost another provider. A lady named Silk passed away recently Although cause of death has not been determined it is surmised pharmacology may have played a part. It seems incumbent on us all to pick and choose our service providers carefully This is in no way a demeaning post but it would behoove us all to be more careful in picking who we see and be vigilant as to possible "use" All of us have the right to pick who we wish to fraternize with but caution and care should be utilized in how we do it. As most of you know there is a terrible H epidemic in western Ohio and it seems H is effecting many of our dear ladies on a number of boards. Be careful who you see and choose wisely JMO Sorry to hear about your lady. Doc.[/QUOTE]This is sad to read. Sorry to hear this.

Just Google Christine Paolilla. She was once a beautiful lady. The pharmaceuticals not only took away her beauty, they took over her way of thinking.

[URL]http://abcnews.go.com/2020/photos/miss-irresistible-murderer-8650483/image-12514801[/URL]

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3351265]That's how they survive. Their life as an addict is complete facade. They can't let their sober family members and sober friends know that they are an addict, heaven forbid. They lie, cheat, steal and most of all do anything and everything to deceive those around them that they are sober and normal. Addiction is a disease of the body, mind and spirit. Here is an excerpt from the NA Fifth Addition book chapter one about who is an addict.

[B][I]"Our whole life and thinking was centered around drugs in one form or another - the getting and the using and finding ways and means to get more. We lived to use and used to live."[/I][/B]

A provider who was an active user once told me that her "SEX" was the drug and the service she provided was the means to get the "Carrot", the $, to feed her sex. A monger on this board asked me to enlighten him on how to tell if someone is an addict. Sometimes it's very easy and sometimes you have to put the pieces of the puzzle of an addicts life together to truly be sure. Most addicts are extremely good at covering up their HIGH for a short period of time, like a provider doing a service. Most of the time they can act fairly normal during a HHR or HR session, just long enough to make the $ to see the pharmacist. The puzzle pieces of addiction are what goes on before and after the session. Here are some of the signs of addiction both the obvious and the puzzle pieces.

[B]Obvious Signs:[/B]

Depending on the drug of choice they will be sweating, teeth clenching, rapid jaw movement, head bobbing, obvious paranoia, nodding out, coughing, sniffling or nose dripping. The pupils of the eye will vary depending on the drug of choice. After taking cocaine, marijuana, or amphetamines, for example, your pupils get noticeably larger, while opiates such as heroin constrict the pupils like pinheads. Track marks are another obvious sign but remember some will shoot up in between toes, under the nails of toes or fingers, behind the knee cap, under the tongue, in or around the genitals, etc. Leslie was always able to use the same vein and entry point for the needle, she told me so, most needle users blow their veins up and have to find new ones, Sam is one of these. If they say they got bit by a spider and have a large welt, I can pretty much bet they blew up that vein and a welt is the result. Even though heroin is a depressant a recent user can be very hyper, very active, in other words loves to fuck. But once they sit down and relax they start to nod off. Thus an active heroin user who just partook before you walked in can't cuddle for long. This is true with any depressants.

Teeth are another obvious sign. Blackened rotting roots are a result of smoking some sort of drug. Meth and heroin are the worst at this. Skin condition is another. Everyone has heard of the sores on a meth addict. It's a result of the drug and the insistent picking at the body. Crack addicts are similar. Autumn Sky would have severe acne issues when using heavily. Sores and blemishes are not nearly as common with crack as when using meth.

Personal hygiene is another sign. They are messy, room is a mess, trash is piled up, condoms are laying around. That's if they have them. If a provider doesn't have condoms available and try to do it bare then more than likely they are using because they don't care. If she asks you to pick up condoms on the way then just beware of the possibility of her being an addict especially after you do and then she says "we don't have to use it if you don't want to, I'm clean. " Remember you are no special than the monger before you and the one that will follow you.

[B]Pieces of the Puzzle[/B]

This is the part I use to confirm whether someone is an active addict or a recovering addict. Many of the obvious signs can be a result of other health issues. Past needle users will have old track marks, past smokers will have bad teeth or just haven't had the money to deal with years of not seeing a dentist. Many of the obvious signs can have several other reasons, but someone with three or more of the obvious signs is an active addict. The most obvious puzzle piece is [RED]Follow the Money[/RED]. They never have any and always need your help. All the stories, I call them lies, they tell you. I was robbed, stolen from, gave it to mom because I owed her, need it for utility bills that are about to be turned off, phone bill is due, child support is due, I have to pay back a friend, dog died, I wrecked my car, I'm sleeping in my car (when it's below zero outside) well I can go on and on. Remember an active will lie about anything to get their next fix, so follow the lies. They will eventually trip up and say one lie that is completely inconsistent with previous lie.

The economics of following the money is also important. A decent sober provider that gives good service at a very nominal $100 per visit will see 4 - 5 hobbyists a day. So let's say it's 4, that's $400 per day, five days a week is $2,000 week or $8,000 a month before any expenses. Yet they never have any money. Heroin sells for around $200 a gram depending on the grade and how it is cut. A moderate user is going through anywhere from 1-3 grams a day. That's a $200 - $600 a day habit. Thus the $400 service fees diminish very quickly. So now go back to the lies as why they don't have the money and desperately need your help. The text, the call, the desperation of needing only $40 or $60 or $80 dollars, can you please help them out? A monger told me that Jasmine contacted him recently and offered $40 for greek service. She doesn't like greek, but the need for a fix was greater than the pain she was going to have in her ass for a couple of minutes.

Gathering the evidence is also an important piece of the puzzle. Arriving early and not leaving right after the session helps to add to the pieces. I arrived early to see Kat, right after another monger saw her. She told me she had to wait on her mother to pick up money so "Could I hold off before coming over. " Sure I said, little did she know that I was parked down the street. She had two visitors before she told me to come on. A black guy in a Mercedes and a young white woman in a White SUV. Both times transactions were made through the window and then she texted me "I'm ready". Sam had her supplier come pick up money right after I left. One time I almost ran into him leaving her room right after she had a session with the guy before me. He is both a supplier and a pimp and deals with both Sam and Kat and others that work out of the 21st and Shadeland drug hotels. Locations is another key. Bad hotels and bad areas of town are another sign.

Whenever I evaluate if a provider is an active addict or a recovering addict I use both types of evidence [B]Obvious and Pieces of the Puzzle[/B]. Now most of you don't need to do all of this. To you it's simple, they are provider / escorts so they must be using otherwise they wouldn't be doing this. I don't see it that way. There are several that do it because that's the way they earn a living or the way they get the sex they need and get paid for it. I also like to believe someone until they prove me wrong so I do believe some stories, hell we all get bad luck every so often. But not for 4,5,6,7,8 etc. Months! That is Sam, Kat, Jasmine, Christine and now probably Star. They always have an excuse for needing help, living in a dive and always out of money. So this is how I do it, I have learned much over the years and I won't see a provider if I determine through the above means that she is active. I will not enable them like I did Star Baby. I have set my boundaries. Crissee in Cincy is one of the best providers I have known, she begged for my help to stay clean, yet once the pieces of the puzzle were put together I stopped. Her deception was better than her service. She never wanted my help, only my carrot at the end of the session. The problem is I really don't like carrots that much, I prefer Lima beans!

P.S. I just saw BgDoc3's post when I hit post on this one. Silk was a fine lady, I met her years ago. I am sorry for the circumstances. BgDoc3 thank you for the post because many of us knew her. Let the Cincy mongers know that Crissee is headed down the same path as are others. Once again thank you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BgDoc3;3351262]We have lost another provider. A lady named Silk passed away recently Although cause of death has not been determined it is surmised pharmacology may have played a part. It seems incumbent on us all to pick and choose our service providers carefully This is in no way a demeaning post but it would behoove us all to be more careful in picking who we see and be vigilant as to possible "use" All of us have the right to pick who we wish to fraternize with but caution and care should be utilized in how we do it. As most of you know there is a terrible H epidemic in western Ohio and it seems H is effecting many of our dear ladies on a number of boards. Be careful who you see and choose wisely JMO Sorry to hear about your lady. Doc.[/QUOTE]According to one monger in Cincy who seems to know what he's talking about it wasn't dope.

Regarding FF's post. I've been sober a little longer than forever and this is my opinion (personal not professional) about seeing chicks with habits:

Junkies are going to get the money regardless, that's a given. Seriously, it doesn't matter how much, junkies are going to get the money. If a chick can't make it with the relatively victim-less crime of prostitution she's still going to get the money. Could be robbery, could be anything because again, in case you missed it, a junkie is going to get the money regardless of what it takes.

If you don't want to see chicks with habits for whatever reason I can respect that but you are not enabling the habit.

A2.

[QUOTE=BgDoc3;3358115]We have ladies in Ohio using Methodone as a weening process of H. Any truth to the ascertion that Methodone is more addictive or as addictive as Heroin? Seems if it is that it would be like robbing Peter to pay Paul. Old saying.[/QUOTE]Methadone is almost as addictive and in some cases is even more than Heroin. Each persons body is unique at how it handles either H or M. Suboxone is being used more and more because it's addictive qualities are far less and the withdrawals from it are far easier than with Methadone or Heroin. Many pain management doctors who have ex heroin addicts with chronic pain problems are using Suboxone to treat patients rather than Opioid based pain meds. I have had several H addicts that have relapsed tell me that H withdrawals take about a week where methadone withdrawal can take up to a month.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3358285]Methadone is almost as addictive and in some cases is even more than Heroin. Each persons body is unique at how it handles either H or M. Suboxone is being used more and more because it's addictive qualities are far less and the withdrawals from it are far easier than with Methadone or Heroin. Many pain management doctors who have ex heroin addicts with chronic pain problems are using Suboxone to treat patients rather than Opioid based pain meds. I have had several H addicts that have relapsed tell me that H withdrawals take about a week where methadone withdrawal can take up to a month.[/QUOTE]MMgeg was kind enough to send me a link on the subject also Butler and Montgomery are hard hit as I am sure other areas are also hard hit. I believe during the elections it was either NH or Verm that had serious issues also. It is a terrible problem and having seen some meth photos of people who were serious users it is bad in some areas also. Thanks for the perspectives and the links.

Methadone has a long half life so it takes time to build up in the body and also a long time to leave the body. Unfortunately, the length of time can vary widely among people. The biggest danger with methadone is potential cardiac issues.

Suboxone has an opioid antagonist which is meant to limit the high from it. Unfortunately, they can all be abused.

[QUOTE=BgDoc3;3358361]MMgeg was kind enough to send me a link on the subject also Butler and Montgomery are hard hit as I am sure other areas are also hard hit. I believe during the elections it was either NH or Verm that had serious issues also. It is a terrible problem and having seen some meth photos of people who were serious users it is bad in some areas also. Thanks for the perspectives and the links.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Admin2;3358270]According to one monger in Cincy who seems to know what he's talking about it wasn't dope.

Regarding FF's post. I've been sober a little longer than forever and this is my opinion (personal not professional) about seeing chicks with habits:

Junkies are going to get the money regardless, that's a given. Seriously, it doesn't matter how much, junkies are going to get the money. If a chick can't make it with the relatively victim-less crime of prostitution she's still going to get the money. Could be robbery, could be anything because again, in case you missed it, a junkie is going to get the money regardless of what it takes.

If you don't want to see chicks with habits for whatever reason I can respect that but you are not enabling the habit.

A2.[/QUOTE]I am glad to know that she didn't pass away from an overdose. I also appreciate your comments about addiction and enabling. You are absolutely correct that they "will get the money regardless of what it takes". The only point we disagree on is how they get the money. I know this sounds harsh but I would rather they steal and rob to get the money because of two reasons.

1. Victim related crimes are more important to the general public than victimless crimes like prostitution. Victim related crimes are pursued with greater determination by law enforcement. If robberies and theft rose 200 - 300 % in this country because addicts could no longer find customers for their pussy and used other means to "get the money regardless", then something would be done to solve the disease of addiction. The public would not stand for such an increase in Victim crimes and would demand a resolution.

2. The "crime" of prostitution is so minor the general public really doesn't care, unless of course it's in their back yard. It's not considered to be a prominent crime and it shouldn't be, it should be legalized and controlled. However it's only a misdemeanor where robbery and theft carry much harsher punishments, thus I prefer that addicts become involved in Victim related crimes rather than prostitution because of the greater punishment and increased recognition by our government and the public. Drug related victim crimes should be dealt with differently than other victim type crimes.

Now you will say would "I" rather have someone killed in a robbery that is drug related verses selling pussy. Of course not in reality but let's face it how many drug related deaths are a result of the easy access to money by selling pussy and then they overdose or give drugs to someone who overdoses or get someone started on drugs who eventually overdoses or become so strung out they can't sell pussy anymore or kills someone anyway because of a drug deal gone bad. How many of these prostitutes are selling pussy because of their addict boyfriends or the pimp / dealer that got them hooked so they could sell pussy. Should these be considered victim related crimes? If drug related victim crimes increased 100%, then I guarantee you that our public officials would be forced by the general public to do something.

Maybe the solution is to legalize prostitution, drug test the providers and make drug related prostitution a much harsher crime like 3 years in jail or mandatory rehab with 2 years of probationary drug testing. Now that would never happen in our puritanical society. In truth, until addiction is finally recognized as a disease, treated like a disease and funds appropriated to resolve it like a disease then nothing will change. What scares me is someone with authority says "Prostitution is really a drug problem so let's make the punishment for all prostitution extremely harsh to stop drug addiction. " I am an addict, I am addicted to cigarettes. I will most likely die of cancer related to years of smoking. That is my choice, however I don't do tricks on the street to support my habit or rob or steal or cheat or lie or deceive others because of my addiction. The only people I will truly harm are the loved ones that I will leave behind prematurely because of my choice. Addicts lost their ability to choose once they developed the disease of addiction.

[QUOTE=Admin2;3358270]According to one monger in Cincy who seems to know what he's talking about it wasn't dope.

Regarding FF's post. I've been sober a little longer than forever and this is my opinion (personal not professional) about seeing chicks with habits:

Junkies are going to get the money regardless, that's a given. Seriously, it doesn't matter how much, junkies are going to get the money. If a chick can't make it with the relatively victim-less crime of prostitution she's still going to get the money. Could be robbery, could be anything because again, in case you missed it, a junkie is going to get the money regardless of what it takes.

If you don't want to see chicks with habits for whatever reason I can respect that but you are not enabling the habit.

A2.[/QUOTE]You're right. How they use the money is their choice. The source of the money isn't the problem.

However, from the monger viewpoint, whenever an addiction is part of the equation your risk goes up. Your session is with someone whose entire life is controlled by a bad decision. She's just a puppet doing what the drug tells her to do. If the drug says "go bareback for the extra $20", then she's going bareback. If the drug says "have your boyfriend rob him", someone is getting robbed.

Depending on the drug, it can tell her to do some really crazy shit.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3359618]You're right. How they use the money is their choice. The source of the money isn't the problem.

However, from the monger viewpoint, whenever an addiction is part of the equation your risk goes up. Your session is with someone whose entire life is controlled by a bad decision. She's just a puppet doing what the drug tells her to do. If the drug says "go bareback for the extra $20", then she's going bareback. If the drug says "have your boyfriend rob him", someone is getting robbed.

Depending on the drug, it can tell her to do some really crazy shit.[/QUOTE]Well said, Jjbee. FF had some great points too, but I didn't take the time to quote him in this reply, nor did I want a half page reply only to include what's already below. I think the argument that "they'll get it anyway" is pure BS and an excuse to be irresponsible and get away w / not giving a shit what happens to someone after you've gotten off. JMO, but it's also not wrong, LOL.