Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=TigerEye2525;5338136]Thanks bud I did that and there were only a few reviews. Not to worry. I think you know where my money is going from here on out LOL.[/QUOTE]There are more reviews if you search Escort forum and also search South African Girl. Often works well to search from the Grand Rapids forums list page rather than from in the forum itself. That will pull hits from Escort, Massage, and Rip-Off forums all at once.

In my opinion she is one of GR's treasures. Anything you want from nice massage, to nuru, or straight to full menu escort. She does travel out of state a couple times a year so if no response it may be because she is out of town for a couple weeks.

[QUOTE=TokyoDawson;5339190]There are more reviews if you search Escort forum and also search South African Girl. Often works well to search from the Grand Rapids forums list page rather than from in the forum itself. That will pull hits from Escort, Massage, and Rip-Off forums all at once.

In my opinion she is one of GR's treasures. Anything you want from nice massage, to nuru, or straight to full menu escort. She does travel out of state a couple times a year so if no response it may be because she is out of town for a couple weeks.[/QUOTE]Awesome thank you for that helpful insight my friend. I'll definitely have to check her out!

[QUOTE=TigerEye2525;5337652]Sorry I forgot to add the link. Just wondered if anyone has scheduled any appointments with her and what they thought. Thanks in advance!

[URL]https://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/exotic/real-nuru-massage-with-southe/110356754861[/URL][/QUOTE]Your post read "real Nuru" - while I found her to be a good experience and would recommend, her nuru sessions fall short on what you might seek. She does not provide the kind of experience you see in the videos (read as in little or no sex). She will get there but most of that fun occurs later in the bedroom, although the second time we did get it going in the shower. Perhaps that is the key, multi visits. I didn't request more during the nuru part either so that too might be something to explore. Tell her up front what you want, she does seem to want to please. BTW. You'll get a kick out of her accent.

Saw Lexi a couple days ago and she did not disappoint! I love her petite little body and her nice personality which makes her even sexier. Add to that that she got comfortable right at the beginning with my suggestion and she didn't mention a tip at all. I gave her a massage as well which led to a great ending. 40 hh and 60 tip. Will repeat as often as I can!

[QUOTE=Moonglow913;5339295]Your post read "real Nuru" - while I found her to be a good experience and would recommend, her nuru sessions fall short on what you might seek. She does not provide the kind of experience you see in the videos (read as in little or no sex). She will get there but most of that fun occurs later in the bedroom, although the second time we did get it going in the shower. Perhaps that is the key, multi visits. I didn't request more during the nuru part either so that too might be something to explore. Tell her up front what you want, she does seem to want to please. BTW. You'll get a kick out of her accent.[/QUOTE]Thanks for all at information. I will definitely keep that in mind. Although from here on out my hard earned pennies, what the FOC doesn't take, are going to Berlin and Kacie at Body works. They are truly beautiful people inside and out.

Had an amazing time per usual with Berlin earlier this morning and then later this afternoon with Kacie. Don't worry guys I'm not a millionaire although if I was I'd see them everyday LOL. It just worked out with my crazy work schedule to see them both on the same day. I crunch 65 hrs a week in 5 days and Fridays are a normal 8 hr work day for me. Anyway. Yeah. Kacie and Berlin are two gorgeous ladies both inside and out. Their kindness and ability to hold a caring and sincere conversation is just as refreshing as the massage itself. I've seen Berlin 3 times now and Kacie was my first today. Oh how I can't wait until I'm done with child support so I can hopefully afford more frequent visits someday. They both have my loyalty, admiration, and love from here on out. It's not only Friday but I'm the happiest I've been in a long time. These are beautiful and kind souls fellas. Let's not take them for granted. Peace and love.

[QUOTE=DusterOne;5329383]Lotus offers FS. Same older Asian lady and has a newer one about every 2 months but it's hit and miss on how good they are Healing Hands on west side has had the same girl for the last year and no new ones.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info! Would you recommend Healing Hands or Lotus in your experience? Both seem to have similar rwciews.

I've been looking for a good AMP with FS but from what I'm gathering lotus and healing hands is pretty much it but I'm open to other suggestions had a dream at 5 star with cindy a long time ago who was smokin but was my first time and way over paid for a standard hh but any way I'm just wondering which one is better lotus or healing hands.

[QUOTE=Cmh2145;5341457]Thanks for the info! Would you recommend Healing Hands or Lotus in your experience? Both seem to have similar rwciews.[/QUOTE]Healing hands in my opinion.

Lotus cuts your time short and asks for more tip. But yes they are similar.

[QUOTE=Cmh2145;5341457]Thanks for the info! Would you recommend Healing Hands or Lotus in your experience? Both seem to have similar rwciews.[/QUOTE]I have not been to Lotus, but I very much have enjoyed my time at Healing Hands. They are good at the massage itself which my broke down back likes and they are great with the dessert course which has many options, which are all good. Enjoy either, Sandy.

[QUOTE=Sandy51;5342117]I have not been to Lotus, but I very much have enjoyed my time at Healing Hands. They are good at the massage itself which my broke down back likes and they are great with the dessert course which has many options, which are all good. Enjoy either, Sandy.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the recommendation. I will try it out and return with a review.

[QUOTE=Cmh2145;5341457]Thanks for the info! Would you recommend Healing Hands or Lotus in your experience? Both seem to have similar rwciews.[/QUOTE]Healing hands doesn't rush you and always gives great service, she also doesn't require as big a tip as Lotus.

Saw Madison again, haven't seen any other reviews of her since my TOFTT and unsure how much she's working.

I believe she's later at night only, which works well for you who can't cut away during the day.

Pros:

2nd visit was better than the first, she is quickly learning how to handle appointments.

Went in for a Hhr, stayed for an hr, time flew LOL.

Massage skills better than before.

Extremely enjoyable and drawn out flip.

Cons:

She's still new, not a con for me but not your seasoned veteran just yet.

Recommend and will repeat.

Stay safe!

[URL]https://tryst.link/massage/new-hottie[/URL]

Had my 3rd visit with Alex.

I'd rather call her Aphrodite because she is a goddess of lust of sensuality.

My visits keep getting better with her and they vary from session to session.

Highly recommend, near ATF level with a few select others, and will definitely repeat.

Pros:

Super smooth skin.

Next door girl quality hot.

Amazing experience on your stomach, on your back, and anywhere in between.

Cons:

An hour flies by way to fast LOL. Seriously I kept checking the time regretting to see how much had gone.

If you haven't seen her, you should. Rates are same with all the Bodywork ladies - 110 hhr 180 hr and some do 150 for 45.

[URL]https://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/alex/770576783410[/URL]

[QUOTE=JMaul;5342919]Saw Madison again, haven't seen any other reviews of her since my TOFTT and unsure how much she's working.

I believe she's later at night only, which works well for you who can't cut away during the day.

Pros:

2nd visit was better than the first, she is quickly learning how to handle appointments.

Went in for a Hhr, stayed for an hr, time flew LOL.

Massage skills better than before.

Extremely enjoyable and drawn out flip.

Cons:

She's still new, not a con for me but not your seasoned veteran just yet.

Recommend and will repeat.

Stay safe!

[URL]https://tryst.link/massage/new-hottie[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the review. I've been trying to find time to see her or Alex. I'm just too busy lately. I'll have to get in this week.

[QUOTE=JMaul;5342925]Had my 3rd visit with Alex.

I'd rather call her Aphrodite because she is a goddess of lust of sensuality.

My visits keep getting better with her and they vary from session to session.

Highly recommend, near ATF level with a few select others, and will definitely repeat.

Pros:

Super smooth skin.

Next door girl quality hot.

Amazing experience on your stomach, on your back, and anywhere in between.

Cons:

An hour flies by way to fast LOL. Seriously I kept checking the time regretting to see how much had gone.

If you haven't seen her, you should. Rates are same with all the Bodywork ladies - 110 hhr 180 hr and some do 150 for 45./QUOTE]Also saw Alex last week. She made an extra effort to make the time work. The best experience that I've had in awhile.

Finally was able to see Berlin. Damn. She is definitely one of the hottest providers in this town. She has a great personality and wonderful attitude. Bless Brit for bringing these women into our lives. If they ever decided to offer more than a HE, they would be millionaires.

So had a couple of sessions over the last couple weeks. Starting with the most recent from earlier today;.

Julia aka Sweet Cheeks. What else needs to be said? It's Sweet Cheeks. The Latina MILF with a body that only makes you want to cry that you'll never get more than a topless HE. $. 2 for a professional grade massage and flip that makes you wonder if you're on the set of something softcore. And yes, her chest is exactly how everyone describes it. She knows these reviews are her only source of advertisement and has encouraged both this review and the sharing of the screenshot where I got her number from. The only downside is that, during the week, her family life doesn't allow her to accommodate playdates later in the day without advance warning (I set this session up last Tuesday) and her weekend slots also require advance notice. But she's proven that she will take a professional level of care in getting you in and is absolutely going to be my go to between treating myself with trips to Serenity.

Now, on to my session with Ashley Winters;.

After finding out it would take a week to see Julia, I decided to try and find something to tide me over till then. Her ads are a dime a dozen on STG and her reviews are even less rare, so it's not hard to find her. Seeing as she was back at Royal (the place that started this hobby for me and geographical convenience only second to Julia) and after some internal back and forth, I decided to just rip the band-aid and try, unfortunately, she didn't answer my text for an hour session that night, probably for the best, and I'll get into the reason on that later. She did text me the next day and I set up a hhr session just to be on the safe side.

First thing first: Pictures are 100% her. It's almost shocking. Don't expect her to be as 'dolled up' as she is in many of those photos (add her snapchat if you want to see some of her more 'natural' look), but if you like what you see, you're going to be happy with what you get. If she did recently have a baby, you wouldn't know it (RIP whatever titty gains she may have made) and her ass is rather amazing for such a small frame. She is absolutely the spinner you see.

I arrived, spoke to Joy, paid the door fee (a little expensive admittedly considering I was standing in RT. Ashley charges Serenity prices), went into the room and away we went. And I got to say.

Had an absolutely fine time. She came in and we bantered a bit. Exchanged pleasantries, talked about the ABBA she was playing on her phone, and the massage was mostly us just chatting about the going-ons at Royal Touch since I had stopped going (My fave girl stopped showing up). On the flip, there was a little talk about my generosity that night (got her to laugh with my come back), agreed on a standard HE, and she got comfortable. Allowed mutual touch, though not too much exploring, and was kinda restrictive when it came to how she could be touched, but for understandable reasons (FIV is a general no go with most first encounters, and she recently had nipple piercings) and she knows how to shake what her momma gave her. All in all, not the most amazing time I've ever had, and price point was a little high, . 5 hhr door fee plus tip, but a good enough time that I plan on returning for a longer session to see what more she offers before I make a final verdict.

And I know what some may be thinking: "Well you must've name dropped Benz, or shit talked the negative reviews to make her feel better". Nope. Didn't mention a single thing about this side of mongering until after we were finished and cleaning up. No mention of USG, no mention of her reviews, no mention of Benz or his circle of Frenz (which I told her straight up, I'm not apart of, cause I don't think I've even been at this long enough to begin to know how to get in). As far as she knew going in, I was just some random dude that had been to Royal before and happened to find her ad by googling. For my part, I went in with the full knowledge that I had never met this woman a day in my life, and while I will keep every review I read in mind, good and bad, since I chose to still go, I was going to go in giving her the benefit of the doubt and keeping a hopeful outlook. I do that with every new girl / place I go to. I believe that's just the basic courtesy we should extend to any provider. Afterwards, I chose to bring up her reviews and we talked about it.

Let me be clear: I don't think anyone has lied about their experiences with Ms. Winters. I can't say one way or the other what happened with any of those encounters. Nor am I saying that we should try every girl, regardless of others' posted experiences. What I am saying, however, is that if a provider has less than stellar reviews and you still choose to go see her, the least you can do as the person that chose to go, is make sure you're not bringing a hostile energy to the table with you. Yes, pun intended. And after the post session chats I've had with many of the girls I see, not just Ashley, and my time in customer service, I can absolutely believe that people can tend to act out of line and feel justified just because they're the one spending money.

But at the end of the day, we're all going to proceed however we choose. All I can say is that from my own experiences, I've had success where others report disasters and even my worst visits were chalked up as just not worth going again, nothing even close to the nightmares I've read about on here. And I'm no hunk, nor do I have money to flaunt. So I can only guess what's working out well for me is my general demeanor when meeting a provider.

So to wrap up; in one week, two fine visits with two fine providers.

Take everything into consideration, but don't forget the grain of salt.

[URL]https://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/ashley-winter/184870192393[/URL]

In a previous report, I stated some issues that I had with the atmosphere at Panacea. Since then, I have had 2 other appointments and it appears, so far, that they have resolved them both. I hope this continues, because I happen to like a couple of the providers and their location is very convenient for me, who lives to the north. Both the noise level from the breakroom and the loitering have improved.

My last appointment with Lexi, was great. She is a sweet and down to earth provider. The conversation is easy and the service from her will relieve your stress. She keeps getting better and better.

Okay I will try to keep this short and to the point as possible. We all know this forum is a great tool to help us all experience safe and enjoyable experiences. I believe it has done just that. We all know how amazing the ladies at Bodyworks are. Let's not jeopardize loosing that okay?

I have gotten several messages asking me things like, "how far do you think they will go?" Not to mention the term YMMV. I was talking to one of the ladies about that term and they had no clue what that meant. Guys. Please don't push it! I was told by one of the ladies that the guy was begging for sex from the start of the appointment. Seriously? How immature and childish. Try to have some class and actually carry on a stimulating conversation. That seems to be a lost art these days. Money can't buy you anything all the time. That's reality. Please don't be that guy and be the one to cause these ladies to be uncomfortable and take advantage of their over extensions of sweetness. I've had HJ's from different parlors that I myself was surprised I could finish due to the lack of complete enthusiasm. Probably related to them being on their guard for requests of sex. Sorry to be so blunt and I don't mean to be harsh but I would hate to see this all go away just because some guys can't appreciate girls like Berlin and Kacey for what they already do so well. Sorry it's in my protective nature to be like this when I hear these girls stories of being uncomfortable and then days later get messages asking how open their "menu" is. FFS guys. Okay I'm done. Peace.

So. My schedule has changed I normally partake in one or two weekly appointments. However with my schedule change I have to do evenings now. I happened upon Madison at body works. I have nothing bad to say. She is sweet and cute. Very sensual prices on her ad on tryst otherwise feel free to pm me for digits. My time with her has been magical. You don't have to believe me and frankly she might not be your cup of tea but she is dependent and a great time. Side note please bare with her she is very tired and only works after 9 pm.

Nice review with independent thought.

I too find you can get more for your dollar with a mindset of respectful encounter and treating providers appropriate. Of course there are some bad ones regardless but amazing how much better an experience can be with a little effort. Each has their own price point and that can be a significant variable in the equation.

[QUOTE=RobovDaslav;5344870]So had a couple of sessions over the last couple weeks. Starting with the most recent from earlier today;.

Julia aka Sweet Cheeks. What else needs to be said? It's Sweet Cheeks. The Latina MILF with a body that only makes you want to cry that you'll never get more than a topless HE. $. 2 for a professional grade massage and flip that makes you wonder if you're on the set of something softcore. And yes, her chest is exactly how everyone describes it. She knows these reviews are her only source of advertisement and has encouraged both this review and the sharing of the screenshot where I got her number from. The only downside is that, during the week, her family life doesn't allow her to accommodate playdates later in the day without advance warning (I set this session up last Tuesday) and her weekend slots also require advance notice. But she's proven that she will take a professional level of care in getting you in and is absolutely going to be my go to between treating myself with trips to Serenity.

Now, on to my session with Ashley Winters;.

After finding out it would take a week to see Julia, I decided to try and find something to tide me over till then. Her ads are a dime a dozen on STG and her reviews are even less rare, so it's not hard to find her. Seeing as she was back at Royal (the place that started this hobby for me and geographical convenience only second to Julia) and after some internal back and forth, I decided to just rip the band-aid and try, unfortunately, she didn't answer my text for an hour session that night, probably for the best, and I'll get into the reason on that later. She did text me the next day and I set up a hhr session just to be on the safe side.

First thing first: Pictures are 100% her. It's almost shocking. Don't expect her to be as 'dolled up' as she is in many of those photos (add her snapchat if you want to see some of her more 'natural' look), but if you like what you see, you're going to be happy with what you get. If she did recently have a baby, you wouldn't know it (RIP whatever titty gains she may have made) and her ass is rather amazing for such a small frame. She is absolutely the spinner you see.

I arrived, spoke to Joy, paid the door fee (a little expensive admittedly considering I was standing in RT. Ashley charges Serenity prices), went into the room and away we went. And I got to say.

Had an absolutely fine time. She came in and we bantered a bit. Exchanged pleasantries, talked about the ABBA she was playing on her phone, and the massage was mostly us just chatting about the going-ons at Royal Touch since I had stopped going (My fave girl stopped showing up). On the flip, there was a little talk about my generosity that night (got her to laugh with my come back), agreed on a standard HE, and she got comfortable. Allowed mutual touch, though not too much exploring, and was kinda restrictive when it came to how she could be touched, but for understandable reasons (FIV is a general no go with most first encounters, and she recently had nipple piercings) and she knows how to shake what her momma gave her. All in all, not the most amazing time I've ever had, and price point was a little high, . 5 hhr door fee plus tip, but a good enough time that I plan on returning for a longer session to see what more she offers before I make a final verdict.

And I know what some may be thinking: "Well you must've name dropped Benz, or shit talked the negative reviews to make her feel better". Nope. Didn't mention a single thing about this side of mongering until after we were finished and cleaning up. No mention of USG, no mention of her reviews, no mention of Benz or his circle of Frenz (which I told her straight up, I'm not apart of, cause I don't think I've even been at this long enough to begin to know how to get in). As far as she knew going in, I was just some random dude that had been to Royal before and happened to find her ad by googling. For my part, I went in with the full knowledge that I had never met this woman a day in my life, and while I will keep every review I read in mind, good and bad, since I chose to still go, I was going to go in giving her the benefit of the doubt and keeping a hopeful outlook. I do that with every new girl / place I go to. I believe that's just the basic courtesy we should extend to any provider. Afterwards, I chose to bring up her reviews and we talked about it.

Let me be clear: I don't think anyone has lied about their experiences with Ms. Winters. I can't say one way or the other what happened with any of those encounters. Nor am I saying that we should try every girl, regardless of others' posted experiences. What I am saying, however, is that if a provider has less than stellar reviews and you still choose to go see her, the least you can do as the person that chose to go, is make sure you're not bringing a hostile energy to the table with you. Yes, pun intended. And after the post session chats I've had with many of the girls I see, not just Ashley, and my time in customer service, I can absolutely believe that people can tend to act out of line and feel justified just because they're the one spending money.

But at the end of the day, we're all going to proceed however we choose. All I can say is that from my own experiences, I've had success where others report disasters and even my worst visits were chalked up as just not worth going again, nothing even close to the nightmares I've read about on here. And I'm no hunk, nor do I have money to flaunt. So I can only guess what's working out well for me is my general demeanor when meeting a provider.

So to wrap up; in one week, two fine visits with two fine providers.

Take everything into consideration, but don't forget the grain of salt.

[URL]https://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/ashley-winter/184870192393[/URL][/QUOTE]

Thanks Robov.

Nice to get a positive review for Ashley. I've long figured she is the embodiment of YMMV. It's good to hear that a respectful and light hearted approach yielded such good results.

Thanks for sharing.

One point made me chuckle. She always uses the excuse her nipples were just pierced. I think the first report of that was at least two years ago. Too bad she just doesn't say she doesn't like her nipples squeezed or pinched. But that's a minor adjustment for a monger to leave them alone.

G2.

[QUOTE=RobovDaslav;5344870]So had a couple of sessions over the last couple weeks. Starting with the most recent from earlier today;.

Julia aka Sweet Cheeks. What else needs to be said? It's Sweet Cheeks. The Latina MILF with a body that only makes you want to cry that you'll never get more than a topless HE. $. 2 for a professional grade massage and flip that makes you wonder if you're on the set of something softcore. And yes, her chest is exactly how everyone describes it. She knows these reviews are her only source of advertisement and has encouraged both this review and the sharing of the screenshot where I got her number from. The only downside is that, during the week, her family life doesn't allow her to accommodate playdates later in the day without advance warning (I set this session up last Tuesday) and her weekend slots also require advance notice. But she's proven that she will take a professional level of care in getting you in and is absolutely going to be my go to between treating myself with trips to Serenity.

Now, on to my session with Ashley Winters;.

After finding out it would take a week to see Julia, I decided to try and find something to tide me over till then. Her ads are a dime a dozen on STG and her reviews are even less rare, so it's not hard to find her. Seeing as she was back at Royal (the place that started this hobby for me and geographical convenience only second to Julia) and after some internal back and forth, I decided to just rip the band-aid and try, unfortunately, she didn't answer my text for an hour session that night, probably for the best, and I'll get into the reason on that later. She did text me the next day and I set up a hhr session just to be on the safe side.

First thing first: Pictures are 100% her. It's almost shocking. Don't expect her to be as 'dolled up' as she is in many of those photos (add her snapchat if you want to see some of her more 'natural' look), but if you like what you see, you're going to be happy with what you get. If she did recently have a baby, you wouldn't know it (RIP whatever titty gains she may have made) and her ass is rather amazing for such a small frame. She is absolutely the spinner you see..[/QUOTE]

Not to cause contention, and I'm glad you enjoyed your time, but Ashley has had her nipples pierced for years. I had the misfortune of getting her a long time ago, and she insisted on no touching her nipples then too. She usually has various reasons from what I've read. Now, by all means, visit who you will and I wish you the best of luck. I'm just saying the coin she demands, you can find much better service and roaming out there.

[QUOTE=RobovDaslav;5344870]So had a couple of sessions over the last couple weeks. Starting with the most recent from earlier today;.

Julia aka Sweet Cheeks. What else needs to be said? It's Sweet Cheeks. The Latina MILF with a body that only makes you want to cry that you'll never get more than a topless HE. $. 2 for a professional grade massage and flip that makes you wonder if you're on the set of something softcore. And yes, her chest is exactly how everyone describes it. She knows these reviews are her only source of advertisement and has encouraged both this review and the sharing of the screenshot where I got her number from. The only downside is that, during the week, her family life doesn't allow her to accommodate playdates later in the day without advance warning (I set this session up last Tuesday) and her weekend slots also require advance notice. But she's proven that she will take a professional level of care in getting you in and is absolutely going to be my go to between treating myself with trips to Serenity.

Now, on to my session with Ashley Winters;.

After finding out it would take a week to see Julia, I decided to try and find something to tide me over till then. Her ads are a dime a dozen on STG and her reviews are even less rare, so it's not hard to find her. Seeing as she was back at Royal (the place that started this hobby for me and geographical convenience only second to Julia) and after some internal back and forth, I decided to just rip the band-aid and try, unfortunately, she didn't answer my text for an hour session that night, probably for the best, and I'll get into the reason on that later. She did text me the next day and I set up a hhr session just to be on the safe side.

First thing first: Pictures are 100% her. It's almost shocking. Don't expect her to be as 'dolled up' as she is in many of those photos (add her snapchat if you want to see some of her more 'natural' look), but if you like what you see, you're going to be happy with what you get. If she did recently have a baby, you wouldn't know it (RIP whatever titty gains she may have made) and her ass is rather amazing for such a small frame. She is absolutely the spinner you see.

I arrived, spoke to Joy, paid the door fee (a little expensive admittedly considering I was standing in RT. Ashley charges Serenity prices), went into the room and away we went. And I got to say.

Had an absolutely fine time. She came in and we bantered a bit. Exchanged pleasantries, talked about the ABBA she was playing on her phone, and the massage was mostly us just chatting about the going-ons at Royal Touch since I had stopped going (My fave girl stopped showing up). On the flip, there was a little talk about my generosity that night (got her to laugh with my come back), agreed on a standard HE, and she got comfortable. Allowed mutual touch, though not too much exploring, and was kinda restrictive when it came to how she could be touched, but for understandable reasons (FIV is a general no go with most first encounters, and she recently had nipple piercings) and she knows how to shake what her momma gave her. All in all, not the most amazing time I've ever had, and price point was a little high, . 5 hhr door fee plus tip, but a good enough time that I plan on returning for a longer session to see what more she offers before I make a final verdict.

And I know what some may be thinking: "Well you must've name dropped Benz, or shit talked the negative reviews to make her feel better". Nope. Didn't mention a single thing about this side of mongering until after we were finished and cleaning up. No mention of USG, no mention of her reviews, no mention of Benz or his circle of Frenz (which I told her straight up, I'm not apart of, cause I don't think I've even been at this long enough to begin to know how to get in). As far as she knew going in, I was just some random dude that had been to Royal before and happened to find her ad by googling. For my part, I went in with the full knowledge that I had never met this woman a day in my life, and while I will keep every review I read in mind, good and bad, since I chose to still go, I was going to go in giving her the benefit of the doubt and keeping a hopeful outlook. I do that with every new girl / place I go to. I believe that's just the basic courtesy we should extend to any provider. Afterwards, I chose to bring up her reviews and we talked about it.

Let me be clear: I don't think anyone has lied about their experiences with Ms. Winters. I can't say one way or the other what happened with any of those encounters. Nor am I saying that we should try every girl, regardless of others' posted experiences. What I am saying, however, is that if a provider has less than stellar reviews and you still choose to go see her, the least you can do as the person that chose to go, is make sure you're not bringing a hostile energy to the table with you. Yes, pun intended. And after the post session chats I've had with many of the girls I see, not just Ashley, and my time in customer service, I can absolutely believe that people can tend to act out of line and feel justified just because they're the one spending money.

But at the end of the day, we're all going to proceed however we choose. All I can say is that from my own experiences, I've had success where others report disasters and even my worst visits were chalked up as just not worth going again, nothing even close to the nightmares I've read about on here. And I'm no hunk, nor do I have money to flaunt. So I can only guess what's working out well for me is my general demeanor when meeting a provider.

So to wrap up; in one week, two fine visits with two fine providers.

Take everything into consideration, but don't forget the grain of salt.

[URL]https://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/ashley-winter/184870192393[/URL][/QUOTE]

I see lots of ads talking about Byron /76th st. Can anyone tell me the name of this parlor? Pm me if needed. Thanks.

Anyone have any more details on her?

Thanks in advance.

[URL]https://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/prettypetite/851226168821[/URL]

They don't have a name. I know they exist but have not seen any reviews on them. They have been there for a few months

[QUOTE=JMoney13;5345753]I see lots of ads talking about Byron /76th st. Can anyone tell me the name of this parlor? Pm me if needed. Thanks.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=JMoney13;5345759]Anyone have any more details on her?

Thanks in advance.

[URL]https://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/prettypetite/851226168821[/URL][/QUOTE]I actually reviewed the partner to this girl, Lauren / London / Whatever the Fuck She Goes By Now, a little over a month ago here: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?8163-Massage-Parlor-Reports&p=5295544&viewfull=1[/URL]#post5295544.

Not to be confused with the more reputable Lauren that used to operate in that area (Gene2 could probably point you to her more current ads), this Lauren (recent ad here: [URL]https://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/sensational-nuru-foreplay/661722619273[/URL]) is probably using the name to lure in clients. Her pictures are 100% fake. Not just old pictures or touched up photos, like legitimately stealing photos of other girls that look nothing like her. Long story short, catfish with not much going for her other than a decent enough personality.

During that experience she did mention that she works with a partner, but unfortunately, that partner wasn't in and that trip has soured me on even caring to go find out if the other is more honest in her postings. I will say, I've noticed that the one your asking about seems more consistent in using the same photos, so maybe it could just be her unfortunate choice in business partner.

The least I can say is that the place is at least a real place. I'd be curious to know about anyone's experience that decides to give this girl in particular a shot.

[QUOTE=Mongerlian;5345575]Not to cause contention, and I'm glad you enjoyed your time, but Ashley has had her nipples pierced for years. I had the misfortune of getting her a long time ago, and she insisted on no touching her nipples then too. She usually has various reasons from what I've read. Now, by all means, visit who you will and I wish you the best of luck. I'm just saying the coin she demands, you can find much better service and roaming out there.[/QUOTE]No worries dude, not contentious at all.

To me, the nipple thing isn't all that egregious. At the end of the day, if she doesn't like it, she doesn't like it. Maybe its an excuse she had to develop to keep persistent hands away, or maybe she just thinks it sounds better than a hard no. Either way, whatevs, her ass is the main attraction of that circus anyway, imo.

I want to make it clear that the main gist of my post was directed towards the hobby of mongering as a whole and, what I feel should be, a general etiquette to approaching a session with any new (to you) provider. By no means am I trying to sing the praises of Ashley Winters and sway past mongers back to her clientele base. It wasn't an experience like with Honda or my ATF in Atlanta, but I personally had a good enough sampling that I'm willing to have another taste of her. Ashley happened to be a good case study in YMMV vs. Self fulfilling prophecy.

To your last point, absolutely agree. She is pricy given the circumstances. I'm willing to pay it for the sheer convenience of location. Without that, I would find it very hard to recommend her over any girl you already see just based on my first visit. My opinion on that may change with my next couple sessions. My final verdict is going to dependent on the extents I can reach of her 'not-a-menu' ("because having a menu is illegal" she said while firmly grasping it). She may become a part of my regular rotation, I may just stick with Sweet Cheeks and Serenity. Time will tell.

Gene2,

Absolutely! Mileage can't vary if we go off someone else's experience.

To add a little more to the nipple thing (cause just I really like nipples);.

While "because I don't like it / want you to" is a good enough answer for me, I've been given the low-down about those kind of knee-jerk responses from my personal female friends. Enough that I'm inclined to believe she has her reasons. (I. E. "I have a boyfriend" vs "Sorry I'm not interested".

BoatGuy1,

I think the biggest thing for me, is that, as someone who knows the horrors of the "Customer is always Right" mentality (that is finally starting to get killed off), I've developed a rather skeptical eye for reports that seem to center around a workers personality rather than performance. It may not be every time, but 8 times out of 10, that workers "Bad Attitude" didn't start with the worker. So that's ultimately shaped how I treat every service provider, regardless of industry, but especially this one.

While we all take some level of risk with this hobby, I don't think it takes a hardcore feminist mindset to recognize that the little woman, barely a third my size, staring down a freshly awakened beast that's pointed directly at her, is probably taking a much bigger risk in that moment (and the few that follow) than I am. The least I can do is try and make it a comfortable time for her. But maybe that's just me.

[QUOTE=JMoney13;5345753]I see lots of ads talking about Byron /76th st. Can anyone tell me the name of this parlor? Pm me if needed. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure they have only been around since mid March, so a few weeks now that they have been in biz. They opened shortly before Bodyworks by Us departed from that location.

Frank posted some links to their ads back at post 11591.

Utrguy offered a review at post 11597, it was not good.

The few other comments I have seen posted publicly and shared in PM suggest their offering is not great. Basically a no name Pacific, but trashier. JMoney13, if you are feeling adventurous, you might want to TOFTT and report back on your findings.

Had my duo with Berlin and Kacey! These girls are absolutely great. Very relaxed and comfortable from the time they walked in the door. They work very well together. Don't screw this up boys. Treat them well (don't be a dick and try and push them into anything they don't want to do).

Went and visited Ava from panacea.

Got into the room right away. Soon after Ava walks in.

Let me first say she is absolutely beautiful. Secondly Her touch is so relaxing and just what I needed. Last the ending She went all in the HE. She definitely had me in a Daze. 60/80 will repeat 100 more times. Ava, ava, ava!

[QUOTE=TigerEye2525;5345230]Okay I will try to keep this short and to the point as possible. We all know this forum is a great tool to help us all experience safe and enjoyable experiences. I believe it has done just that. We all know how amazing the ladies at Bodyworks are. Let's not jeopardize loosing that okay?

I have gotten several messages asking me things like, "how far do you think they will go?" Not to mention the term YMMV. I was talking to one of the ladies about that term and they had no clue what that meant. Guys. Please don't push it! I was told by one of the ladies that the guy was begging for sex from the start of the appointment. Seriously? How immature and childish. Try to have some class and actually carry on a stimulating conversation. That seems to be a lost art these days. Money can't buy you anything all the time. That's reality. Please don't be that guy and be the one to cause these ladies to be uncomfortable and take advantage of their over extensions of sweetness. I've had HJ's from different parlors that I myself was surprised I could finish due to the lack of complete enthusiasm. Probably related to them being on their guard for requests of sex. Sorry to be so blunt and I don't mean to be harsh but I would hate to see this all go away just because some guys can't appreciate girls like Berlin and Kacey for what they already do so well. Sorry it's in my protective nature to be like this when I hear these girls stories of being uncomfortable and then days later get messages asking how open their "menu" is. FFS guys. Okay I'm done. Peace.[/QUOTE]You seemed to have lost sight of two very important points: 1. The purpose of this site is to exchange information. If there is someone I want to see who you have, it is only natural for me to ask what her menu is and how much. It doesn't get any more basic than that. 2. We're not talking about your sister. These are sexy workers and I assure you they have heard it all. There is nothing wrong with guys exploring options. Don't be so naive to think anyone of these ladies (including Britt) haven't opened their menu under the right circumstances (read money and guy).

I had set up an appointment for this morning with Brit at Bodyworks (please see my previous review of Brit. She's amazing). When I texted Brit this morning to confirm, something unfortunately had come up and she wouldn't be able to see me. She checked with Berlin to see if she could possibly see me. Am I ever glad she did! Berlin contacted me immediately to say she could see me in place of Brit. I don't know if you guys have seen a picture of Berlin (which is beautiful BTW), but in person, she is even more stunning! I had one of the most fabulous massages that I've ever had. At the risk of not being able to schedule time with Berlin again, I'm telling you that you need to see this woman. The entire hour was incredible, and this woman is smart and easy to talk to. Whatever Bodyworks is doing to hire these girls (Brit, Kacey and now Berlin), this group knows what they're doing.

[QUOTE=Moonglow913;5346585]You seemed to have lost sight of two very important points: 1. The purpose of this site is to exchange information. If there is someone I want to see who you have, it is only natural for me to ask what her menu is and how much. It doesn't get any more basic than that. 2. We're not talking about your sister. These are sexy workers and I assure you they have heard it all. There is nothing wrong with guys exploring options. Don't be so naive to think anyone of these ladies (including Britt) haven't opened their menu under the right circumstances (read money and guy).[/QUOTE]Well go ahead and speak for yourself there bud. Believe it or not some of these girls are sexy to begin with and are using their skills as sensual massage therapists to make some much needed money to help with their current financial situation. They aren't just a piece of meat to be bought. Why do you think one of them confided in me how people like you make them uncomfortable? Maybe if they're really into you, you won't have to "negotiate" extra "menu services". Maybe they we invite you for a beer to hang out and actually get to know them outside of a massage table. Just food for thought. I've been laughed at my whole life so you won't be the first and you definitely won't be the last. I'm just glad I made you smile.

I'm wondering. Has anyone here seen Jessica / Jaye since she started working at Serenity?

[QUOTE=Shawtren;5347223]I'm wondering. Has anyone here seen Jessica / Jaye since she started working at Serenity?[/QUOTE]She's gone already.

Easy cum easy go.

[QUOTE=Benz1;5347232]She's gone already.

Easy cum easy go.[/QUOTE]She just sent me a note two hours ago saying that she is there.

Can someone please pm me the exact location for bodywork by us? They don't list it on their website. There's been a lot of movement around groups of providers lately and I want to make sure I'm going to the right place when I book my berlin / kacey duo.

[QUOTE=LandRover20;5347316]Can someone please pm me the exact location for bodywork by us? They don't list it on their website. There's been a lot of movement around groups of providers lately and I want to make sure I'm going to the right place when I book my berlin / kacey duo.[/QUOTE]Once you schedule with one of them, they will give you the address.