"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

My question is simple, but as with most simple questions the answer most likely is not.

Question. I'm a married monger looking for a decent / reasonable short term stay (hotel / apt, etc) to host a sugar baby that I've just met; any thoughts or suggestions?

A little more background.

I live and work near East Lansing, MI; I've been reading the posts in this forum for the past couple of months and have garnered valuable information to get my feet wet as a SD. My dilemma is one that has been faced by many a married SD I'm sure. My guess is there is no easy answer, but I hope that someone may have a creative solution that can work for me so thanks in advance for anything you can share.

Since I am married, I cannot reasonably host at my home; discretion is also important so most traditional hotels aren't an option, ; and notels, well are just not someplace to take a regular SB.

Earlier this summer I met a SB through CL; she is 24 yr old MSU grad student and she could host so this was great; for a variety of reasons, not the least of which has been a change in her ability to host, this SB relationship has gone to a holding pattern.

Today I met with another potential SB; she is a 21 year old senior at MSU and she can't host because she has roommates but is more than ready to consummate a reasonable SB / SD relationship if I can figure out the meeting arrangements.

Any help or insight any of you can offer will be most appreciated; please post or pm as you prefer.

All the best, #4025

There are a couple of things you can do and has been covered on many posts on here.

1. You can let your baby make the reservation at the hotel and then you can pay with cash.

2. You can get yourself a separate credit card that your SO does not know about.

3. You can also get a Amex gift card at most drug stores and put cash on it and pay with that.

Are you afraid of having your name on the room? You can also use a different name just a little out of sync from your real name on the reservation. Like joe Houston instead of joe Hudson.

I am sure you will hear many more ideas.

Revvo

[QUOTE=Member #4025; 1858272]My question is simple, but as with most simple questions the answer most likely is not.

Question. I'm a married monger looking for a decent / reasonable short term stay (hotel / apt, etc) to host a sugar baby that I've just met; any thoughts or suggestions?

Any help or insight any of you can offer will be most appreciated; please post or pm as you prefer.

All the best, #4025[/QUOTE]Hey #4025! Much space has been used to list the multiple ways to covertly secure a FC, so I won't repeat what is already here.

" traditional hotels aren't an option, ; and notels, well are just not someplace to take a regular SB."

I will rebut that statement. I have entertained multiple Quality Babies at Notels. Lately I found 2 $40 Brand Name Notels in 2 different cities on Hotels.com searching by lowest cost and they are just fine. Don't try to impress the HCBs with expensive digs, they want the $$. I tell them that I would rather spend the money on their needs rather than book an expensive Hotel. Not one seems to care. I book by calling the desk, ask for the internet rate , leave a credit card # to secure the room emphasizing that I will be paying cash and not to run the card unless I no show.which of course I won't. Now the innkeeper knows me by name and voice and doesn't even ask for a card. You could not get that personal service at The Hilton. My guy is Pakistani, owns the notel, and loves to see me coming. And Cum I do!

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1858318]There are a couple of things you can do and has been covered on many posts on here.

1. You can let your baby make the reservation at the hotel and then you can pay with cash.

2. You can get yourself a separate credit card that your SO does not know about.

3. You can also get a Amex gift card at most drug stores and put cash on it and pay with that.

Are you afraid of having your name on the room? You can also use a different name just a little out of sync from your real name on the reservation. Like joe Houston instead of joe Hudson.

I am sure you will hear many more ideas.

Revvo[/QUOTE]4025,

I often go to nicer, boutique-type hotels, which can be booked mid-week, when I prefer to play, through hotels.com or other similar travel sites for a fraction of the rack rate. I use a green dot card with about $25 on it to secure the room (most sites will let you do this, with the understanding that you will pay when you arrive) , then use my real name but a fake "business" address when checking in. I also make a point of saying to the clerk that I don't want any snail mail, email or other correspondance being sent to me. I am still leaving a "trail" but a minimal one which unless your wife has hired a divorce lawyer already, will probably not come back to bite you.

That said, in my 3+ years in the Bowl, I have never had even a tiny scrap of paper trail follow me home. I do make a point of avoiding chains where I have reward memberships, like Hilton or Marriott. But that's why I like the boutique hotels.

I agree with Nando that the babies mostly don't care, but some do, and I love a nice hotel room, so at the very least I'm booking it for me AND the baby.

I never check out at the front desk, just leave the key cards in the room and go. You may be apprehensive now, but start out practicing with Motel 6, like I did, and soon you will be booking the honeymoon suite at the Ritz, if there even is such a thing anymore.

Like Rev and Fred, I urge you to read back through the Club Journal. This has been covered many times, with lots of invaluable advice. At the end of the day, the Bowl is not without its risks, but we brothers share to help minimize them for each other as much as possible. Nothing can replace field experience, however. If you're not willing to get burned at least once, don't even pick up a lighter.

In other news, my current ATF, with my encouragement and help, applied for and was offered a fantastic job which will unfortunately mean she will move to NYC on the 9th of September. The company is in its infancy, but is a phenomenal concept that I am convinced will grow exponentially, and she is one of the people responsible for launching it in new cities across the country, and eventually intercontinentally. To say I am severly depressed would be an understatement of the greatest magnitude. I imagined us growing old (er) together, my brothers, but that now seems like a distant dream. Fuck, fuck and double fuck!

I am attempting to dull my all-too-real pain by fucking a hot AA spinner tomorrow, but I know it will be bittersweet at best. As I have said many times before, be careful what you wish for. The heart wants what it wants, and we are powerless in the face of its will.

As my BFF Magic said to me, I have been through this before and my next ATF is waiting out there for me, but from where I am at this moment, she is awfully hard to see.

Onward, and Brother 4025, don't forget to write!

Peace,

Scott

Well, fellas, its been awhile since I reported in. And what a year its been. I'll spare you all the gory details. But to sum it up I've continued to find success on SA, its been a great summer. Most of my conquests have come during work-related travel, Richmond has dried up on me a bit, but still working a couple of babies. Truth is, I've got a couple of non-SA UTRs in Richmond that keep me pretty happy at very reasonable prices. If you do travel. Chicago has been an absolute gold mine.

Let me preface this by saying I'm late 30s, great shape, professional single WM. Decent looking guy, which I think matters. And being single is a huge advantage in the bowl, I think.

One of the things that surprises me is the variety one finds with these babies. Some just want quick cash for quick visits (fine by me) , those I can usually talk down into the $ or less range per visit (had one in the RIC who would session for. 4 or. 6, cute young white professional girl, I think she just liked the thrill of it all. But sadly she moved on). I'm also astounded by the "normalness" of many of these women. The internet has clearly opened the world's oldest profession to a wider pool of participants.

I've had two who gave it up for free but wanted me to be there boyfriend (NOT) , one of them I will still see from time to time, the other turned psycho on me. Serious daddy issues. I've got another one that I met on a work trip who simply never brought up money. I think her view is if I take her out to dinner at a nice restaurant I deserve to get laid. Fine by me, though alas she lives far, far away so meetings are few and far between. Best one tho was one I met in VA who, after we did the deed and I asked about what she needed for sugar, replied "a pack of smokes would be great". Loved her. And I threw in a lighter.

FWIW as a warning to those of you who might consider "dating" or getting serious with one of these ladies. I had one smoking hot (seriously, trust me) , Ivy-educated, professional, interesting, seemingly cool normal girl who I hung out with for a good six months. No cash after the first meeting, we just enjoyed each others company and fucked like rabbits. Anyway, she wanted us to be exclusive (she swore she was not seeing anyone else) and serious and she loves me and whatnot, and while instinct told me no I started to waiver. Until she left her cell in my hotel room one night and I could see all the text messages back and forth from her to all you guys. Some SD (superdumbass?) is paying her $3k per night BTW. Likely an I-banker. Naturally I didn't call her on it, why ruin a good (free) thing. But a word to the wise to realize what you are dealing with here.

Freebies and discounts aside, the norm for me has been for girls to ask around $3-400, I counter with $-$$ per visit (depending on hotness) , and move on if they say no. Oddly enough I find no correlation between sugar amount and session quality. I also find that, if they will do $-$$ initially, once they get comfortable with me they will meet for less. A good thing.

I've only done SA, so if any of you VA guys have feedback on SD4ME I'd love to hear it.

So the "short version". And looking forward to a productive fall.

[QUOTE=HighCotton;1858526]Oddly enough I find no correlation between sugar amount and session quality.[/QUOTE]I have to remind myself of this over and over. But higher sugar amounts does make it easier to get better looking girls. I remember my first true SB. She was off the charts in looks and no big deal in bed. After we broke up she was constantly annoyed at the looks quality of some of my babes. She was like "why do you date them?". Take a guess.

Any guy who has been around knows that looks do not equate to skill level. If they did we would only date the hottest looking girls. But hottest looking and sexiest are 2 different things. And yeah when you can roll it all up together, great. I admit I love watching my 19 year old princess when we are doing it. And she is getting better over time. But if I judged her on skills alone she would have been out the door a long time ago.

My roommate is one of the sexiest girls I have ever known. Literally an addiction. But she is no swimsuit model. And my MILF who has porn star skills is 45. And no 45 year old can compete with a 19 year old in my book as far as looks alone. So it's a never ending battle for truth, justice and the American way.

I am thinking of just having all the girls pose on the porch for authenticity purposes. Here is an X from a couple years ago. I still talk to her, but no more sugar for this asian spinner. 7/10/8/10 5"5".105 lbs

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1858712]I am thinking of just having all the girls pose on the porch for authenticity purposes. Here is an X from a couple years ago. I still talk to her, but no more sugar for this asian spinner. 7/10/8/10 5"5".105 lbs[/QUOTE]I never figured this out and a little embarrassed to ask. When ratings are given, what is the order? For example,"7/10/8/10" stands for looks, skills, etc, but each number corresponds to what exactly? Thanks.

[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;1858791]I never figured this out and a little embarrassed to ask. When ratings are given, what is the order? For example,"7/10/8/10" stands for looks, skills, etc, but each number corresponds to what exactly? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Face / body / personality / skills

but I see some guys like the 3 part formula

face/body/skills

having the personality and skills in one number.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1858939]Face / body / personality / skills.

But I see some guys like the 3 part formula.

Face / body / skills.

Having the personality and skills in one number.[/QUOTE]HG, Thank you very much.

Hi Gents:

It has been a good while since I updated things although I read this forum almost daily, but now it is time for me to share some experiences.

My ATF. As I have posted before my ATF is from meeting at a Local Strip club about 8 years a go. It took me a good while to get her to see me outside but it finally worked out and we have been seeing each other pretty regular since then. She either comes to my place or I go to hers (usually hers) since her husband is a trucker and is gone most of the week days leaving her alone and horny. She loves DATY and is multi orgasmic until she is breathless and begging for me to stop. She is still hot even now in her mid to late 30s. Still works part time in one of the local clubs when she wants. Has a pic on her wall from when she was in the Deja Vu club magazine a few years ago. Damage is now 0. 5 to me once a week.

I have my first 2 hits from Craigslist from posting that I have a hotel room and just need some company $.

#1 is a blond MILF in her late 20's with a six year old kid. Slender just out of a relationship where she did not have to work, relationship ended a few months ago. She is in school and scheduled to graduate in Dec. She answered my post late in the day after I had left the hotel room so we text a few times that night and the next morning then she tells me her kid is going to a friends house and her apt is a vailable if I can make it. Lucky ME! Was there in about half hour and was able to spend about 90 min whith her. She does great BBBJ and loves DATY. On this meeting she was begging for a facial so what else could a guy do? She loved it. She wanted $ but was able to do it for half of that. Have seen her 3 more time since then at her place and going back Friday.

#2. I met on Saturday morning after texting for a while on Friday. Picked her up just up the street from her house since her high school daughter was at home. We went to get a room for an hour or so. She is a Brunette in her late 30s or early 40s. Nice body for her age and was ready to go. Just needed a little help with her bills. (0. 75 total) Nice enough lady very accomidating and very good BBBJ skills, but just not my cup of Tea. Most likley will not repeat.

On another note. In my area of Central Ky the prices on BP are very nice at this point. With a little work and research you can have a good time with a nice young lady at her hotel room for 50 to 100. I had a great time today with a 20 year old red head who is part time on BP. She is a little thicker and not skinny but still nice and young with a cute little voice who loved to talk and make sure I was happy. She is bi and has a BF who does not know what she does. Loves DATY and has seen other providers in the area herself. We talked for a while and she wants to have a 3 some with my ATF who is also bi. At the end or our session she says that next time I can come to her place in a town about 30 min away if I want.

So the summer has been pretty good here in Kentucky.

Live Long and Prosper Gents

My second POT from AF has a bad case of GPS combined with immaturity. Originally she didn't want to talk money until we met. Then she asked via email and when she didn't like my numbers she didn't respond at all. It took a number of emails and texts to get her to respond. Finally I asked if the amount was too low. She said yes. When I ask where she wants to be, she says never mind it's way over my budget and I even gave her a fake high budget. She's beautiful, young, has a wonderful curvy body and a cool personality. She may find what she's looking for, but I doubt it.

I have a nice looking 21 year old AA spinner from AF. She has agreed to 6 dates per month at $800. She doesn't communicate much or very well. We have a date setup for Tuesday night. I think she might be semi-pro as she's cool with us starting the Tiggabounce on the first date if there are not setbacks during dinner (My RG3 Reference, LOL).

Out of the blue I hit up MsCoolSlim. She had disappeared for a while, but she assured me it was because she was just uncomfortable meeting someone from online. We exchanged some more emails and had a Skype date today. That made her a lot more comfortable. Wow she's stunning! We have a date set for Wed, I'm going to have to go slower with her, but the good thing is that the suga can go slow also. She is the one that I thought would really slow me down. Right now she does not have a place, but once she does and I have full time access to those goodies, I'll "try" to slow down again.

Met a 21 year old Co-ed for dinner a few days ago. We had exchanged information on SA right before the STL trip. I had dropped her because she had gained weight and was sending out photos as both skinny and bigger without warning, LOL. Plus I had way too many on the hook to deal with that. She was nice and definitely a little chunkier than I like, but that butt was banging. She agreed to not start up a full arrangement. We'll link up when we both have time. I'll make sure to give at least $ and she'll be happy. I'll just call her MsPreLaw.

MsSuccessful has taken a job in my area. She's moving the family up here at some point within the next year. Wow, what a change. She wants to get some luvin once every other week. Not funds needed other than cover the room. Very nice!

I currently have 3 on-call BootyCall Babies. MsLatinaMILF, MsPreLaw and MsSuccessful.

Two that I'm "exclusive" with. MsNurseBooty and my ATF. At some point I'm going to be so unavailable, that these two will drop me.

BigTigg

God lord tig. Good fucking lord and congrats. Please share the secret to your success LOL.

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1859592]My second POT from AF has a bad case of GPS combined with immaturity. Originally she didn't want to talk money until we met. Then she asked via email and when she didn't like my numbers she didn't respond at all. It took a number of emails and texts to get her to respond. Finally I asked if the amount was too low. She said yes. When I ask where she wants to be, she says never mind it's way over my budget and I even gave her a fake high budget. She's beautiful, young, has a wonderful curvy body and a cool personality. She may find what she's looking for, but I doubt it.

I have a nice looking 21 year old AA spinner from AF. She has agreed to 6 dates per month at $800. She doesn't communicate much or very well. We have a date setup for Tuesday night. I think she might be semi-pro as she's cool with us starting the Tiggabounce on the first date if there are not setbacks during dinner (My RG3 Reference, LOL).

Out of the blue I hit up MsCoolSlim. She had disappeared for a while, but she assured me it was because she was just uncomfortable meeting someone from online. We exchanged some more emails and had a Skype date today. That made her a lot more comfortable. Wow she's stunning! We have a date set for Wed, I'm going to have to go slower with her, but the good thing is that the suga can go slow also. She is the one that I thought would really slow me down. Right now she does not have a place, but once she does and I have full time access to those goodies, I'll "try" to slow down again.

Met a 21 year old Co-ed for dinner a few days ago. We had exchanged information on SA right before the STL trip. I had dropped her because she had gained weight and was sending out photos as both skinny and bigger without warning, LOL. Plus I had way too many on the hook to deal with that. She was nice and definitely a little chunkier than I like, but that butt was banging. She agreed to not start up a full arrangement. We'll link up when we both have time. I'll make sure to give at least $ and she'll be happy. I'll just call her MsPreLaw.

MsSuccessful has taken a job in my area. She's moving the family up here at some point within the next year. Wow, what a change. She wants to get some luvin once every other week. Not funds needed other than cover the room. Very nice!

I currently have 3 on-call BootyCall Babies. MsLatinaMILF, MsPreLaw and MsSuccessful.

Two that I'm "exclusive" with. MsNurseBooty and my ATF. At some point I'm going to be so unavailable, that these two will drop me.

BigTigg[/QUOTE]

ATF #3 has agreed to resume our old arrangement. I am skeptical because of her behavior the last time we were together but perhaps she has not been so successful finding a replacement on her terms. She is an absolute spinner even by Hollywood's standards with niice C cups and well formed all around. She is a 10/10/10/8. The latter 2 points off are due to her lack of kissing. But I can enjoy nuzzling and kissing her body parts including her pussy, which is sweet and sensitive. She is an absolute screamer too which is very stimulating.

ATF #4 has been entertaining twice this week and beats my dick like a dead horse until I am sore and I require hot soaks. Love it!

Teen Baby has been unresponsive and not on the site after her attack of GPS. She apparently needed / wanted a quick cash transfusion to take care of a load of bills / expenses and wasn't willing to take a slower but steady route to riches. This younger generation wants it all at once. She could have had ATF potential with a long lucrative relationship but was perhaps wanting to score and run. I predict that if I was willing to give an $800 allowance up front I would not have heard from her again. She is a 9/9/9/9. As we have all said at one time or another, teens are skittish and unpredictable. Immaturity rules the day.

Well, my all time favorite SB in NY / NJ area, seen her 3 times. First date- nice one, afternoon to late night. Second, same. Third, overnight in the resort. But. As it turns. Out, it became like she is the boss, and I am getting allowance. This was 2 days event but started with too bossy. Everything was like you did this. Or don't do this. I felt like there was complete disconnect. I just decided to make it a 1 day trip instead of 2. Learned something, it is I am paying for hotel, expenses, allowance. SB yes, I respect but they can't just be on their own. It has to be mutual agreement. So. This SB. Is gone. I decided to cut loose. I am happy in the local Virginia now.

Well, on the other hand. I think this is a art. I learned so many things in last 1 month. I had 1 potential SB texting me. That she need to make a car payment and can I wire / MO money using WU. I said no. Found out on twitter that she is at redskin pre-season game. She doesn't know that but. Guys. Be lookout on social media- FB, Twitter pages for your SB.

Guys, what do you think about SB who writes on their profile that they don't smoke. But in reality, found on social media, she is smoking weeds and other. Hmm.

WOW. This world is crazy.

Just don't know if I can find a regular SB who is to good to be true. For my likeness.