The actions did happen to one provider that we all know. BUT IT WAS NOT FF THAT WAS THE OFFENDER. That is for certain, I do know that for sure. Why he chose to express himself that way. Maybe to get the rat to show himself.
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The actions did happen to one provider that we all know. BUT IT WAS NOT FF THAT WAS THE OFFENDER. That is for certain, I do know that for sure. Why he chose to express himself that way. Maybe to get the rat to show himself.
[QUOTE=Two Nutts;1193140]The actions did happen to one provider that we all know. BUT IT WAS NOT FF THAT WAS THE OFFENDER. That is for certain, I do know that for sure. Why he chose to express himself that way. Maybe to get the rat to show himself.[/QUOTE]For the record (maybe "record" should be in quotes) , the original story I heard said *two* providers. A later communication from someone else, after this broke here, *suggests, but does not state, that the issue is only about one. But that case is quite serious.
I'm very glad to hear it's not FF, but he should not assume the sins of others. He can look at this board and see that most people did not want to believe it about him, despite the way he wrote it, and he can see that most all of us share a sense of outrage. We don't necessarily agree that we all deserve the details, but he does deserve to have his reputation restored by a basic airing of the facts. Thanks for starting the process.
FF,
You have always offered stimulating thoughts to this public forum. But this time you may have outdone yourself! It appears the board is in agreement the alleged situation should not have happened. Even to a point of disbelief that you personally would have done so. You are usually the first to jump to a provider's defense. So we must then guess at your intent.
Although there is a lot of innuendo, or. Withholding of specific details while making a post, your latest seems to cross a line. I have found the spirit of this board, ie to provide helpful information, albeit entertaining, to persons of like interests, very refreshing. Yet your last post has me and apparently others more than a little concerned. For your sake, if that was a personal account, hopefully, you have already visited a clinic. For the sake of other providers, if it wasn't you, I think you should probably divulge the villain. And lastly, about which I am still undecided, for the sake of all the hobbyists, you should probably divulge the provider. Although, that is more delicate. (She probably confided in you. It sounds like no fault of her own. And it would likely hinder her income.) Regardless, I do strongly believe it is in everyone's best interest that you come forward with more information.
Thank You for your sincerity and chivalry.
Daniel
I think I have previously met FF's provider from his 'report'. If any of this is true, FF, you seriously crossed a line bub, and the rest of us are going to find out. Even if this provider doesn't want take any complaints or legal action against you, you crossed the line, simple as that. I had to read and reread that several times, getting more pissed off each time. Now that I've cooled down some, I had to chime in and say that you shoulda stopped and covered up when that lady asked you to. You've probably seriously blacklisted yourself #$%$.
After consideration and messages sent I agree with Two Balls that this was not FF that was the offender.
[QUOTE=Two Nutts;1193140]The actions did happen to one provider that we all know. BUT IT WAS NOT FF THAT WAS THE OFFENDER. That is for certain, I do know that for sure. Why he chose to express himself that way. Maybe to get the rat to show himself.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Two Nutts;1193140]The actions did happen to one provider that we all know. BUT IT WAS NOT FF THAT WAS THE OFFENDER. That is for certain, I do know that for sure. Why he chose to express himself that way. Maybe to get the rat to show himself.[/QUOTE]If this really happened to 2 providers that is really unfortunate. I have no idea which providers it might have happened to but there is a very well known provider that I have seen a few times that I tried to contact this week to no avail. It's very much unlike her to not respond and let me know that at the least she might not be available. She usually gets back to me within the same day. I tried to schedule with her 4 days in advance and she hasn't gotten back with me. I hope she wasn't one of the providers violated like that because she's a sweetheart.
I'm not sure if I buy that it wasn't FF or that it was bad joke that all of us just didn't get. First thing, I wouldn't think it too easy to hijack someone's account. I don't know of any other instance of it happening here. And if that did happen, why hasn't FF posted some time within the last 24 hours and say someone hacked his account.
Second, it doesn't read like a normal FF post at first because of all the description. That's not what he usually does. But with this post, it was all about damage control. He was trying to justify his behavior and get his side of the story out. (And some of it did sound uniquely FF. The Knights of the round table stuff)
Third, I don't think he was writing a story about some one else or trying to make some kind of point that we all missed. The story was very straight forward. And he made a freckle reference at the end. Something he wouldn't do unless the story was about him.
I could be wrong, but I'll believe the most logical explanation is the simplest one: that FF wrote the post and that there wasn't any subtext that we all missed. He should, at the very least, leave this site. No woman should be treated that way and we certainly shouldn't put up with someone who does that sort of thing.
[QUOTE=Freckle Freak; 1192591]I recently saw a provider that I had seen before. She was about 30, shoulder length hair, tall, lean, tight body and petite. She was very hot. When I arrived at her place we talked about what she was doing with her life outside the biz. She was struggling to pay the bills from her fast food regular job and was doing this for the extra money. She also enjoyed men and had a few regulars whose company she enjoyed. She was trying to be careful with who she saw and keep things somewhat low key. This was a sweet young lady; her personality was very much my type. I had seen her once before for a quickie and wanted more on this trip. I was looking forward to it.
We lay down on the bed and talked, kissed, caressed. She is a good kisser. Clothes came off. Foreplay was on the menu. She moved on top of me providing an excellent BBBJ with more kissing and rubbing. As she straddled me, her other lips caressed my member. I thought for a moment it would go in. I commented on how good that felt and would she like to find out what it would feel like inside. She moaned and said 'Why don't we try it with one of these' as she picked up a cover. I could tell she wanted it and I was hot to trot. I grabbed her by the waist and flipped her over on her back. She looked so hot. Playfully I held her arms above her head, the cover still in her hand. Then it just sort of happened, I slid into her, she was so wet. She said 'No, I don't do it that way'. I replied 'doesn't that feel good'. She protested again but only so slightly, about the way we were doing it. I told her I was clean and started pounding away. Her body responded favorably and I said doesn't that feel good. We continued in this position until I was ready. It was very hot. I stood up next to the bed and unloaded all over her. We cleaned up and I tried to cuddle but she asked me to leave saying her ride was waiting. I knew she enjoyed herself and told her I wanted to see her again. I even sent her a text thanking her for her time. Total cost $.5.
Now here is what I don't understand. A couple of days afterwards I text her to see how she is doing. She texted back asking 'why did I do it BB', 'was I clean' and 'I told you I didn't do it that way'. Come on now, I remembered what happened, I was in the room also. I texted her that I thought she wanted it that way. I said you enjoyed it. She never really complained. She didn't scream out NO, stop, or even so much as try and move. Of course I am a big guy and she is petite but she could have moved. Sure, BB isn't the safest way to go, but I seldom do it that way with any other providers. I am clean. I'm not HIV positive and everything else can be taken care of with some antibiotics. Except maybe some of the HPV viruses, but hell everyone has those. That's why our daughters get the new shots that are available now. I think she is being a little rude. I have had providers slide it in without asking me. I may have protested a little but they didn't stop. I just don't understand the difference. But to think I purposefully took advantage of her. No way! She wanted it that way, it was clear to me.
So I kind of look at most of the members of this board as the 'Knights of the round table' We stick together through thick and thin. We are honorable, loyal and of course never do any harm. I am sure Guinevere didn't complain about Lancelot doing her BB. So I think this is an example of what is good and bad in this hobby and possibly some of the ugly. I will leave it up to the members of this board to decide which is which. All these women are just wh*res anyway, right?
FF.
PS. I guess this wouldn't have happened if she had freckles. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ipolis;1192793]My vote is that he spent more time thinking of a creative way to post something he heard that bothered him (FYI, it bothers me too) , than thinking through what he was actually posting. Unfortunately this reeks of an attempt to right wrongs that he only has third hand knowledge of. That can be hit or miss... usually miss.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JimBeamCoke;1192814]Interestign perceptive, but wouldn't most if not all guys agree that this is wrong, therefore, why make the post? Is he trying to show that there is bad men in this world, I think we know the answer to that question. Is he making the post to show the what providers risk? Maybe he is. But guys that have visited a provider more than once usually get the scoop on what they have have to deal with, so again why make this post? I think this was a miss post.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JimBeamCoke;1193322]After consideration and messages sent I agree with Two Balls that this was not FF that was the offender.[/QUOTE]I couldn't tell if you were refering to my post as the miss, or his. Regardless, the points you detailed seem to fall in line with reality. I'm still at "why make this post", are you still at the same place?
[QUOTE=Bleucheese; 1193074]So, the purpose of this board being what it is, shouldn't we know the names of the providers in question? Maybe not posted publicly, but at least via PM? A few things that came to my mind as it relates to the activities of the hobby (nothing having to do with the legal aspects of the situation or morality of what was alleged to have taken place. Wait did I just type the word morality?) :
-The safety of the next hobbyist, in the event this guy wasn't clean. Who knows what avenues the providers will take to get tested, treated, etc. This is how things get spread through a hobby community.
-The quality of the experience may go down as the provider gets a little hesistant about seeing future clients, which would be understandable under the circumstances.
-Potential entanglings moving forward. For example, the prior incident goes unreported, but maybe there are some residual feelings that are building, and she decides to report another hobbyist for something that occurs, or that she perceives to occur, in another session.
-Another take on the above comment, maybe she arms herself with say a knife, gun or some muscle of some kind, and again, if anything happens that she doesn't like, she lashes out against some poor unsuspecting hobbyist.
There are a lot of considerations here, IMO. I would appreciate knowing, via PM, who the providers in question are. I think too, that if FF would weigh in here, he could shed quite a bit of light on this situation (or Jackson is his account has been compromised). [/QUOTE]Really? It's none of yours, or anyone else's business, unless the providers in question want to inform you themselves. It's nice to see that you have so much concern that you feel the providers should now be "blacklisted", because they reported an incident where they were taken advantage of. Because they spoke the ugly truth of what can and does happen in this hobby. You are a hobbyist right? Don't you take a potential risk with every provider you see? How many of these providers go BB with other men that you are unaware of? Maybe they have cheating boyfriends, or husbands. Maybe there has has been a sexual assault in there past, that you have no clue about. Do you perform or receive BB oral services? Because HSV1 and HSV2 can be shared both ways and 90% of people NEVER know they have it. There are a lot of possibilities out there. I can guarantee you that both providers are smart women, and have been tested, and treated for any possibilities. When was the last time you were tested?
A few here refuse to believe their eyes that Freckle Freak confessed to being a bareback sneak. One of Freckle Freak's better justifications,
[QUOTE=Freckle Freak;1192591]Of course I am a big guy and she is petite but she could have moved. [/QUOTE]He ended his post by saying,
[QUOTE=Freckle Freak;1192591]All these women are just wh*res anyway, right? [/QUOTE]The extent to which his friends are making excuses is extraordinary. Two Nutts tried to help Freckle Freak out, but he wasn't thinking first.
[QUOTE=Two Nutts;1193140]I do know The actions did happen to one provider that we all know. BUT IT WAS NOT FF THAT WAS THE OFFENDER. That is for certain, I do know that for sure. Why he chose to express himself that way. Maybe to get the rat to show himself.[/QUOTE]They can't both be telling the truth and be talking about the same escort. Reverse it. If they are talking about the same escort, they can't both be telling the truth. This whole thing is a train wreck. I wouldn't believe any explanation. Not that I would believe any of the women coming forward on his behalf, but none have.
It occurred to me Freckle Freak might have thought he was sending a PM, not that would separate him from his words.
I'm sorry for the woman involved.
[QUOTE=Ipolis;1193673]I couldn't tell if you were refering to my post as the miss, or his. Regardless, the points you detailed seem to fall in line with reality. I'm still at "why make this post", are you still at the same place?[/QUOTE]As not a very active member I just want to say that this is unacceptable and this member if he really did what was described in the post should at least know that this behavior is not accepted on this board and majority of the members if not all are disgraced with his actions! Shame on you!
[quote]I'm not HIV positive and everything else can be taken care of with some antibiotics.[/quote]Just for clarification, for anyone who actually believes this-gonorrhea / chlamydia take 2 weeks for symptoms to show up, and for many women symptoms aren't obvious enough that they may not even know they have it.
In which case, YOU could have gotten it from her, and brought it home to your wife (If you have one) or given it to any other girl you choose to sleep with unprotected within that 2 weeks before your dick starts burning when you pee.
Furthermore, if you had it and given it to her, she could have gone home and given it to her boyfriend, or sex buddy, or whoever else she is having sex with unprotected outside of the hobby.
And those people could have given it to whoever they're having sex with.
Basically, thinking this way is very selfish. You both need to get tested ASAP before sleeping with other people.
Do not have sex with someone who has sex for living without seeing a clean bill of health from them.
Do not have sex with someone who buys sex from people who sell sex without seeing a clean bill of health from them.
She should have pushed you the fuck off and made your dirty ass leave.
You should have resisted the urge and not done that with a hooker.
Go get tested please please please.
[QUOTE=Golfcart; 1193908]A few here refuse to believe their eyes that Freckle Freak confessed to being a bareback sneak. One of Freckle Freak's better justifications,
He ended his post by saying,
The extent to which his friends are making excuses is extraordinary. Two Nutts tried to help Freckle Freak out, but he wasn't thinking first.
They can't both be telling the truth and be talking about the same escort. Reverse it. If they are talking about the same escort, they can't both be telling the truth. This whole thing is a train wreck. I wouldn't believe any explanation. Not that I would believe any of the women coming forward on his behalf, but none have.
It occurred to me Freckle Freak might have thought he was sending a PM, not that would separate him from his words.
I'm sorry for the woman involved. [/QUOTE]GC understand like I did. If FF would have defended himself first I would have taken it a little different but he did not. At least say he did a mistake at that passionate moment I would have understand. But say degraded things about all the girls and then saying we all stick together that's all wrong.
[QUOTE=AbbyAmour; 1194021]Just for clarification, for anyone who actually believes this-gonorrhea / chlamydia take 2 weeks for symptoms to show up, and for many women symptoms aren't obvious enough that they may not even know they have it.
In which case, YOU could have gotten it from her, and brought it home to your wife (If you have one) or given it to any other girl you choose to sleep with unprotected within that 2 weeks before your dick starts burning when you pee.
Furthermore, if you had it and given it to her, she could have gone home and given it to her boyfriend, or sex buddy, or whoever else she is having sex with unprotected outside of the hobby.
And those people could have given it to whoever they're having sex with.
Basically, thinking this way is very selfish. You both need to get tested ASAP before sleeping with other people.
Do not have sex with someone who has sex for living without seeing a clean bill of health from them.
Do not have sex with someone who buys sex from people who sell sex without seeing a clean bill of health from them.
She should have pushed you the fuck off and made your dirty ass leave.
You should have resisted the urge and not done that with a hooker.
Go get tested please please please. [/QUOTE]Sound and sensible advice, of course. But this isn't just an issue of safety; safety, as vitally important as it is, is an issue which can be addressed before the doors close. If people want to agree to risky behaviors, however defined, it is their business, though I think we all hope that unprotected sex is not among them, and that any hobbyist who suggests it gets a kick in the nads, real or figurative.
This is about the betrayal of trust behind closed doors. That violation is something many hobbyists need to be made to see. It's gratifying that there's been a universal condemnation of the offender which FF was portraying. But the added risk of social disease (not to mention, as here, the possible emotional toll on a lot of people) does not wholly separate this sort of act from all sorts of boorish (or thuggish) behavior, from short envelopes to attempts to get what is clearly refused.
If FF wanted us to talk about this in the larger sense, there it is: people-and they, despite any he said / she said denials, are almost exclusively hobbyists-who walk through this hobby thinking that the only thing which matters is themselves, thinking that they aren't connected to anything or anyone else, aren't responsible for safety; people who think it's only about what they get in a temporary fix, how much the gum cost, or what it tasted like, before they throw the wrapper in the street, well, there are a lot of diseases whose symptoms never show, or never become apparent to the sufferer. And some which some people celebrate.
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