Escort Reports

[QUOTE=Two Nutts; 1192772]I hope your were joking, or maybe your sly way of speaking of someone else, and that person (usag mbr) needs to be outed. But if not, then I'm trully worried about you my friend. Those actions don't sound like the FF I know.

TN[/QUOTE]My vote is that he spent more time thinking of a creative way to post something he heard that bothered him (FYI, it bothers me too) , than thinking through what he was actually posting. Unfortunately this reeks of an attempt to right wrongs that he only has third hand knowledge of. That can be hit or miss... usually miss.

Interestign perceptive, but wouldn't most if not all guys agree that this is wrong, therefore, why make the post? Is he trying to show that there is bad men in this world, I think we know the answer to that question. Is he making the post to show the what providers risk? Maybe he is. But guys that have visited a provider more than once usually get the scoop on what they have have to deal with, so again why make this post? I think this was a miss post.

[QUOTE=Ipolis;1192793]My vote is that he spent more time thinking of a creative way to post something he heard that bothered him (FYI, it bothers me too) , than thinking through what he was actually posting. Unfortunately this reeks of an attempt to right wrongs that he only has third hand knowledge of. That can be hit or miss... usually miss.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JimBeamCoke;1192814]Interestign perceptive, but wouldn't most if not all guys agree that this is wrong, therefore, why make the post? Is he trying to show that there is bad men in this world, I think we know the answer to that question. Is he making the post to show the what providers risk? Maybe he is. But guys that have visited a provider more than once usually get the scoop on what they have have to deal with, so again why make this post? I think this was a miss post.[/QUOTE]

I don't know FF, so it's only a guess at why. My opinion is that the scenarios you've laid out make a lot of sense, so he is either one of the guys who doesn't agree this is wrong or he's trying to make a point. Either way, we are just debating degrees of wrong. My $.02

I began typing out a catch-up report without reading the thread for the last few days. I'm anxious to read ff's next post. The post doesn't at all sound like him.

FF,

Way to stir the pot! This actually is a great post. I had a date once who did not give me the opportunity to say no. We had already been engaged in the act, using a condom, and she reaches down slips it off, holds the condom up and asks "you don't really need this do you?". I had thought she was just grabbing me, and had already gone back inside if her. Was that rape?

I don't know that I felt that it was rape but I did feel violated. I had made a conscious choice to wear a condom and did not get to decide otherwise. We both had obviously consented, and fortunately for me she was clean. What if she had a serious disease, would that have been attempted murder?

I think we all can agree that your story is wrong on many levels. My question is more along the lines of what you call it, then anything else. Does the unsolicited BBFS void original consent? Is this now rape? Either way, whomever did this makes the hobby unsafe for everyone, especially the provider working so hard to take extra precautions.

[QUOTE=Freckle Freak; 1192591]I recently saw a provider that I had seen before. She was about 30, shoulder length hair, tall, lean, tight body and petite. She was very hot. When I arrived at her place we talked about what she was doing with her life outside the biz. She was struggling to pay the bills from her fast food regular job and was doing this for the extra money. She also enjoyed men and had a few regulars whose company she enjoyed. She was trying to be careful with who she saw and keep things somewhat low key. This was a sweet young lady; her personality was very much my type. I had seen her once before for a quickie and wanted more on this trip. I was looking forward to it.

We lay down on the bed and talked, kissed, caressed. She is a good kisser. Clothes came off. Foreplay was on the menu. She moved on top of me providing an excellent BBBJ with more kissing and rubbing. As she straddled me, her other lips caressed my member. I thought for a moment it would go in. I commented on how good that felt and would she like to find out what it would feel like inside. She moaned and said 'Why don't we try it with one of these' as she picked up a cover. I could tell she wanted it and I was hot to trot. I grabbed her by the waist and flipped her over on her back. She looked so hot. Playfully I held her arms above her head, the cover still in her hand. Then it just sort of happened, I slid into her, she was so wet. She said 'No, I don't do it that way'. I replied 'doesn't that feel good'. She protested again but only so slightly, about the way we were doing it. I told her I was clean and started pounding away. Her body responded favorably and I said doesn't that feel good. We continued in this position until I was ready. It was very hot. I stood up next to the bed and unloaded all over her. We cleaned up and I tried to cuddle but she asked me to leave saying her ride was waiting. I knew she enjoyed herself and told her I wanted to see her again. I even sent her a text thanking her for her time. Total cost $.5.

Now here is what I don't understand. A couple of days afterwards I text her to see how she is doing. She texted back asking 'why did I do it BB', 'was I clean' and 'I told you I didn't do it that way'. Come on now, I remembered what happened, I was in the room also. I texted her that I thought she wanted it that way. I said you enjoyed it. She never really complained. She didn't scream out NO, stop, or even so much as try and move. Of course I am a big guy and she is petite but she could have moved. Sure, BB isn't the safest way to go, but I seldom do it that way with any other providers. I am clean. I'm not HIV positive and everything else can be taken care of with some antibiotics. Except maybe some of the HPV viruses, but hell everyone has those. That's why our daughters get the new shots that are available now. I think she is being a little rude. I have had providers slide it in without asking me. I may have protested a little but they didn't stop. I just don't understand the difference. But to think I purposefully took advantage of her. No way! She wanted it that way, it was clear to me.

So I kind of look at most of the members of this board as the 'Knights of the round table' We stick together through thick and thin. We are honorable, loyal and of course never do any harm. I am sure Guinevere didn't complain about Lancelot doing her BB. So I think this is an example of what is good and bad in this hobby and possibly some of the ugly. I will leave it up to the members of this board to decide which is which. All these women are just wh*res anyway, right?

FF.

PS. I guess this wouldn't have happened if she had freckles. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JimBeamCoke;1192782]Glad I am not the only one offended by a rape post.[/QUOTE]Earlier this week was that two established providers report being forcibly barebacked by a hobbyist well-known around town. I know the names of the providers, but was not told who the hobbyist was. Did you hear that story too, FF, and decide to dramatize it? If so you really need to clear that up.

As I understand it, neither incident was reported to the police. I pass no judgment on that decision, but I will note that 1) the behavior qualifies as rape under Indiana statutes, and most likely as Class A rape; 2) the statute of limitations on Class B rape is one year; there is no statute of limitations on Class A rape; and 3) you won't be sending emails back and forth with the guys you meet in prison, asking why *they* didn't use condoms.

I really hope this was just a joke FF. But yes my friend that is rape. I hope she is still not pursuing this. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Daville; 1192987]FF,

Way to stir the pot! This actually is a great post. I had a date once who did not give me the opportunity to say no. We had already been engaged in the act, using a condom, and she reaches down slips it off, holds the condom up and asks "you don't really need this do you?". I had thought she was just grabbing me, and had already gone back inside if her. Was that rape?

I don't know that I felt that it was rape but I did feel violated. I had made a conscious choice to wear a condom and did not get to decide otherwise. We both had obviously consented, and fortunately for me she was clean. What if she had a serious disease, would that have been attempted murder?

I think we all can agree that your story is wrong on many levels. My question is more along the lines of what you call it, then anything else. Does the unsolicited BBFS void original consent? Is this now rape? Either way, whomever did this makes the hobby unsafe for everyone, especially the provider working so hard to take extra precautions.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=B Beall;1192996]Earlier this week was that two established providers report being forcibly barebacked by a hobbyist well-known around town. I know the names of the providers, but was not told who the hobbyist was. Did you hear that story too, FF, and decide to dramatize it? If so you really need to clear that up.[/QUOTE]Is this the new way to report a crime, anonomously, by posting the info on a board such as this. Thinking that LE will now check into this? I guess that is as plausible as the other theories. Interesting post, but certainly strange. I'm sure we will learn more.

And you say that two providers reported this in the same week. Actions by the same hobbyist. There is certainly more to this story than what has been posted here thus far, it seems. It doesn't seem logical that the accounting posted here would be posted as his own accounting of what HE DID. This is not the confessional, or is it? Strange.

I have two guesses here. Either FF's account has been hijacked by someone else, or there is a huge metaphor in this story that I'm missing but will be revealed in time.

[QUOTE=Freckle Freak; 1192591]I recently saw a provider that I had seen before. She was about 30, shoulder length hair, tall, lean, tight body and petite. She was very hot. When I arrived at her place we talked about what she was doing with her life outside the biz. She was struggling to pay the bills from her fast food regular job and was doing this for the extra money. She also enjoyed men and had a few regulars whose company she enjoyed. She was trying to be careful with who she saw and keep things somewhat low key. This was a sweet young lady; her personality was very much my type. I had seen her once before for a quickie and wanted more on this trip. I was looking forward to it.

We lay down on the bed and talked, kissed, caressed. She is a good kisser. Clothes came off. Foreplay was on the menu. She moved on top of me providing an excellent BBBJ with more kissing and rubbing. As she straddled me, her other lips caressed my member. I thought for a moment it would go in. I commented on how good that felt and would she like to find out what it would feel like inside. She moaned and said 'Why don't we try it with one of these' as she picked up a cover. I could tell she wanted it and I was hot to trot. I grabbed her by the waist and flipped her over on her back. She looked so hot. Playfully I held her arms above her head, the cover still in her hand. Then it just sort of happened, I slid into her, she was so wet. She said 'No, I don't do it that way'. I replied 'doesn't that feel good'. She protested again but only so slightly, about the way we were doing it. I told her I was clean and started pounding away. Her body responded favorably and I said doesn't that feel good. We continued in this position until I was ready. It was very hot. I stood up next to the bed and unloaded all over her. We cleaned up and I tried to cuddle but she asked me to leave saying her ride was waiting. I knew she enjoyed herself and told her I wanted to see her again. I even sent her a text thanking her for her time. Total cost $.5.

Now here is what I don't understand. A couple of days afterwards I text her to see how she is doing. She texted back asking 'why did I do it BB', 'was I clean' and 'I told you I didn't do it that way'. Come on now, I remembered what happened, I was in the room also. I texted her that I thought she wanted it that way. I said you enjoyed it. She never really complained. She didn't scream out NO, stop, or even so much as try and move. Of course I am a big guy and she is petite but she could have moved. Sure, BB isn't the safest way to go, but I seldom do it that way with any other providers. I am clean. I'm not HIV positive and everything else can be taken care of with some antibiotics. Except maybe some of the HPV viruses, but hell everyone has those. That's why our daughters get the new shots that are available now. I think she is being a little rude. I have had providers slide it in without asking me. I may have protested a little but they didn't stop. I just don't understand the difference. But to think I purposefully took advantage of her. No way! She wanted it that way, it was clear to me.

So I kind of look at most of the members of this board as the 'Knights of the round table' We stick together through thick and thin. We are honorable, loyal and of course never do any harm. I am sure Guinevere didn't complain about Lancelot doing her BB. So I think this is an example of what is good and bad in this hobby and possibly some of the ugly. I will leave it up to the members of this board to decide which is which. All these women are just wh*res anyway, right?

FF.

PS. I guess this wouldn't have happened if she had freckles. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=B Beall; 1192996]Earlier this week was that two established providers report being forcibly barebacked by a hobbyist well-known around town. I know the names of the providers, but was not told who the hobbyist was. Did you hear that story too, FF, and decide to dramatize it? If so you really need to clear that up.

As I understand it, neither incident was reported to the police. I pass no judgment on that decision, but I will note that 1) the behavior qualifies as rape under Indiana statutes, and most likely as Class A rape; 2) the statute of limitations on Class B rape is one year; there is no statute of limitations on Class A rape; and 3) you won't be sending emails back and forth with the guys you meet in prison, asking why *they* didn't use condoms. [/QUOTE]So, the purpose of this board being what it is, shouldn't we know the names of the providers in question? Maybe not posted publicly, but at least via PM? A few things that came to my mind as it relates to the activities of the hobby (nothing having to do with the legal aspects of the situation or morality of what was alleged to have taken place. Wait did I just type the word morality?) :

-The safety of the next hobbyist, in the event this guy wasn't clean. Who knows what avenues the providers will take to get tested, treated, etc. This is how things get spread through a hobby community.

-The quality of the experience may go down as the provider gets a little hesistant about seeing future clients, which would be understandable under the circumstances.

-Potential entanglings moving forward. For example, the prior incident goes unreported, but maybe there are some residual feelings that are building, and she decides to report another hobbyist for something that occurs, or that she perceives to occur, in another session.

-Another take on the above comment, maybe she arms herself with say a knife, gun or some muscle of some kind, and again, if anything happens that she doesn't like, she lashes out against some poor unsuspecting hobbyist.

There are a lot of considerations here, IMO. I would appreciate knowing, via PM, who the providers in question are. I think too, that if FF would weigh in here, he could shed quite a bit of light on this situation (or Jackson is his account has been compromised).

I think it is imperative that the providers are also aware of this so called respected senior member. I do have Japanese Katana Swords in my play area and I'm not afraid if forced to demonstrate my Kung Fu Skill. I read this and it reminds me of a Greenwood man who was knowingly HIV positive and having unprotected sex and infected several women. There are enough risks in this hobby for all of us. I wish these two women and whomever else may have encountered this ahole the best. Don't let one bad seed ruin the bunch. I also see where this will tighten the "senior members" in requesting appts with providers. It has been stated it was a Sr member and, now it may be possible a provider will now think twice about seeing a Sr.

[QUOTE=Bleucheese;1193074]So, the purpose of this board being what it is, shouldn't we know the names of the providers in question? Maybe not posted publicly, but at least via PM? [/QUOTE]I heard the story days ago; I have since had it confirmed by a second provider, and the rough details confirmed, in a way, by another board member. They are all in my confidence, and they are all free to post here themselves.

I repeated the broad outline solely with the intent of asking FF to clarify whether that was what he was talking about. I'm not trying to convince anyone else about what happened. I don't know myself. I know, as I said, the story I was told.

Further, the matter is one which, if true, has seriously injured at least one party, and which could have life-changing effects on others. That's not a matter for hearsay, even by PM.

I thought this was a great post assuming, like others, that this was a hypothetical situation and / or something read about in another state. This is unacceptable to have happened anywhere, let alone on our home turf.

[QUOTE=B Beall; 1192996]Earlier this week was that two established providers report being forcibly barebacked by a hobbyist well-known around town. I know the names of the providers, but was not told who the hobbyist was. Did you hear that story too, FF, and decide to dramatize it? If so you really need to clear that up.

As I understand it, neither incident was reported to the police. I pass no judgment on that decision, but I will note that 1) the behavior qualifies as rape under Indiana statutes, and most likely as Class A rape; 2) the statute of limitations on Class B rape is one year; there is no statute of limitations on Class A rape; and 3) you won't be sending emails back and forth with the guys you meet in prison, asking why *they* didn't use condoms. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Golfcart; 1192748]Freckle Freak raised the question of doing BBFS when the girl said no but offered no resistance. I'll pass on that for the time being.

The second question / statement:

Wrong. [/QUOTE]If she say no its no. Also I don't agree with you statement of all girls are, no they are not. You found one that is actually nice and has a job but need the extra cash and you treat her like dirt. If this post is true than I have lost respect for FF. He is wrong in doing that and no I can't stick together with someone like that. You would respect women. There is menu time that the moment you just want BBFS but come on no is always no. No excuse.

I can only express that I am confused. FF has never talked like this before. He is well known and this seems out of character. If it is a true post from him, it is hard to take. We all know the rules of conduct. I want to believe that someone did hijack his profile or that it is a work of fiction.

Why would anyone ever post that story unless it was fiction? If true I can only conclude that I am not jaded enough to be in the hobby. I keep trying to seek some level of chivalry with what I consider to be courtesans, concubines, or geishas. Wh*e is just to ugly a word for me. I look at the ladies as therapists.

If FF's profile was hijacked that could have further repercussions. Hoping this is a joke that came late from April 1st.