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[QUOTE=Eightball]I am alive today because I wasnt wearing one.[/QUOTE]Me too. I was a passenger in the front when we were broadsided. Where the seatbelt is anchored to the support in the floor was pushed into the middle of the car. It would have literally cut in me two.

There are valid arguments on both sides. I know someone that was through into a telephone pole and didn't survive. As Nader said, "Unsafe at any speed."

Can we now get back on topic?

From the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration:

* In 2002, 42,850 people died in traffic accidents. Of that number, 19,103 were not wearing seat belts.
* 4,200 lives could be saved each year if 90% of the U.S. population wore seat belts.
* Fatalities and accidents involving those not wearing seat belts costs the U.S. approximately $20 billion per year. Of that cost, 74% of the tab is paid for by the public.
* One out of four Americans still doesn't wear a seat belt.

So. To the 25% of you out there not wearing seat belts. If you're involved in an accident, and need medical care that costs more than your insurance company is willing to pay (or you aren't insured at all), the American taxpayer is picking up THREE-QUARTERS of the tab.

If those of you not wearing seat belts would like to sign a waiver giving up your right for taxpayer-funded medical care in the case of an accident, then by all means do so. I wouldn't care if you wore your seat belt then -- I wouldn't have any reason to care.

Otherwise, if my taxes are going to be used to keep your splattered brain alive in a Hospice somewhere, I continue to believe in seat belt laws and fines, and I hope you all get pulled over frequently.

Do police departments use seat belt tickets as a source of revenue? Sure. Just like they use speeding tickets for the same. But getting people to wear their seat belts is still a matter for the public good.

I've been getting a kick from reading posts by guys that bang streetwalkers without a condom telling me to be safe and wear my seatbelt. :-)

[QUOTE=Bully]I've been getting a kick from reading posts by guys that bang streetwalkers without a condom telling me to be safe and wear my seatbelt. :-)[/QUOTE]

Well, it's ironic that you (or whoever posted) were ticketed twice for not wearing a seatbelt when out mongering. I think the original advice was to say the simplest way to avoid getting pulled over in those known areas is to wear the seatbelt. It was friendly advice to help you avoid a situation.

Anyway, I'm sure everyone who posts doesn't bang streetwalkers unprotected. So please don't lump everyone in the same category.

[QUOTE=Pete® Parke®]Well, it's ironic that you (or whoever posted) were ticketed twice for not wearing a seatbelt when out mongering. I think the original advice was to say the simplest way to avoid getting pulled over in those known areas is to wear the seatbelt. It was friendly advice to help you avoid a situation.

Anyway, I'm sure everyone who posts doesn't bang streetwalkers unprotected. So please don't lump everyone in the same category.[/QUOTE]

Wasn't me. I just found it amusing when there are so many posts on here about unprotected activity. There was one a couple of weeks ago seeking a place for anonymous STD testing. The poster thought maybe he should get tested after all of his unprotected activities. You think?

I'm get a great laugh out of the seatbelt drama. This is about the last place I'd expect to read someone telling someone to wear a seatbelt other than for the express reason of avoiding LEO. On the list of dangers with this hobby I'd put auto accident down the list. I mean is cruising Woodlawn exactly a safe activity? Is picking up a drug addict (one killed a guy I went to high school with...stabbed him in the sleeper of his semi) safe? Give it a rest.

Back on topic - the pickin's was good today in the Woodlawn area just after noon. Counted at least three WSWs between 50th and McDonalds. At McDonalds saw a WSW with one of the best racks I've seen in a year. Downside was that I also saw three LEOs in roughly that same stretch.

Ok, enough about seatbelts except for one clarification. I wasn't out mongering whenever I received my seat belt citations. I was going home once, and going to my girlfriend's house the other time, and both times I was far from mongering locales.

Anyway, the whole point was to support Clark's insinuation that LEO in Alabama will pull you over for just about anything.

Back to the real business. On my way home today, I spotted a BSW dragging by the Anchor. Other than that, nada.

As for the Super Sauna update, it has been about a year and a half since I visited, and the service was ok then. I happen to think that the reason you were given a break at the door is because of lack of business. I haven't seen any cars at SS in the past few weeks as I've driven by. Maybe Time is dominating the market?

[QUOTE=Bully]I've been getting a kick from reading posts by guys that bang streetwalkers without a condom telling me to be safe and wear my seatbelt. :-)[/QUOTE]I always ensure my passenger is protected as well.

[QUOTE=Grl Lvr601]I'm get a great laugh out of the seatbelt drama. This is about the last place I'd expect to read someone telling someone to wear a seatbelt other than for the express reason of avoiding LEO. On the list of dangers with this hobby I'd put auto accident down the list. I mean is cruising Woodlawn exactly a safe activity? Is picking up a drug addict (one killed a guy I went to high school with...stabbed him in the sleeper of his semi) safe? Give it a rest.
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I agree completely. It seemed ridiculous to me too. I find getting HIV, getting mugged or getting arrested to be bigger threats to most guys who are posting and reading on this forum.

Talk about getting sidetracked. Who gives a flying shit if you wear a seatbelt or not?

We don't care if you ride down the road with a cocked 38 caliber up your butt, sipping rat poison tea, as long as you can give us a 1st Ave. Update every once in while. Entertain us with stories of fornication and dodging pimps. Tantalize us with up close and personal descriptions of some big breasts and a shaved beaver.

And buckle up if you have to. Just don't tell us about it.

[QUOTE=Grl Lvr601]Downside was that I also saw three LEOs in roughly that same stretch.[/QUOTE]

And from my inside information you will be seeing a lot more of that and a lot more undercover activity. Seems the Rev. Chief of Police A.C. Roper has a tough new policy on "working gilrs". He can over look the murders and drug dealing along with the robberies but cannot over look the SW action. Kind of a backwards view on fighting crime I think.

But the possible good news is this. The mayor of Irondale is pushing the state to allow his officers to cruise the interstate and write tickets. If this happens the SW's can move out there because we all know his entire police force will be on 20 writing tickets.

And in the middle of July I am going to move my warehouse stock out of the Woodlawn area into a new more secure warehouse district on highway 31 in Alabaster. I already moved the main business to Hoover when they went up on the business licenses and I am finally sick and tired of even having anything to do in the "Tragic City" that might create revenue for them. So I won't have any reason to go into that area anymore so my input on this board will be limited to mostly escorts and porn stars visiting the area. Honestly at this point in time I am shocked Larry hasn't tried to tax the street walkers and drug dealers.

One of those undercovers stopped a girl I know last night around 50th Street. They were in a blue 'Jeep' she said. But knowing a type vehicle they might be driving really does no good, as they might have been driving that 'last' night, but I'm sure they have a whole arsenal of undercover vehicles, and can choose one of many to use on any given night. That's the very reason not to blatantly pick someone up, even if it means missing out on one.

Went for a ride on 1st in Woodlawn/Bham tuesday. Saw a seemingly pretty girl with blonde hair wearing sweatpants walking away from town. She was a little heavy/healthy looking too. I was already driving slow when I came up on her and when she turned to look at me, she was smirking! Like, I made her mad by looking. She didn't give the look, but I went up a few more blocks and made my return. Gone when I got there.

Turned around and saw another girl crossing the street, and again, wearing sweets. I turned passed her and pulled over in a nearby lot. She passed me without speaking, but gave a little wave and moved on. She had a tat on the right calf and a burn scar on the left calf. Nicer looking girl, but not working or interested.

I then passed a slim girl walking West and not really giving the look. I slowly turned around and caught up with her a few blocks later when I stopped at at stop sign and she kinda had to walk up to me. I lowered the passenger window and gave her a nod. She mouthed something in-audible and I unlocked the truck door.

She introduced herself as "Melissa" and we made introductions. I asked for protection and she needed to stop for more. At a local pharmacy, I gave her a ten and told her what to get as well as a drink and any snacks she might want. She seemed calm and had not yet asked many questions. I also thought that if she did not return, ten was a small loss for the lesson learned.

In a minute, she bounded out and got back in the truck. I got very little change, but that's cool. I hoped my charity would pay off later.

I asked her for a good spot to park and she directed to thru an alley and into the drive of a currently abandoned house. We parked behind the house and got between both open doors on my side. She got me hard with BBBJ and then put on protection.

When we were done, I had experienced all three holes and got what I needed.
My charity seemed to pay off in a low pressure transaction without drama.

I drove her to her destination and got some life story meanwhile. She tries to keep low key and works a night job a couple of days a week. Only then did I ask her to settle up and was quoted two jacksons. That was the first and last mention of that subject.

Melissa has on some tan pants and a hooded top with a t-shirt on underneath. She actually took the hooded thing off when she went in the pharmacy and left it with me. She is not a looker and has no breasts to speak of. I did see some nipples though. She is slim, but her enthusiam was great and her willingness to please was at the top of my experience level. Whatever I wanted, she gave.

Now, enough seatbelt talk. Let's do what we came here for.

Big

[QUOTE=Clark Kent]One of those undercovers stopped a girl I know last night around 50th Street. They were in a blue 'Jeep' she said. But knowing a type vehicle they might be driving really does no good, as they might have been driving that 'last' night, but I'm sure they have a whole arsenal of undercover vehicles, and can choose one of many to use on any given night. That's the very reason not to blatantly pick someone up, even if it means missing out on one.[/QUOTE]

So the undercover officers were trying to pick up the girls? Or am I to understand they had undercover working girls trying to get the mongers? Or both?

They came up to her and asked 'was she working', then proceeded to ask her for her information. She knew them from being stopped previously by them, though I don't know if it was in a marked or unmarked car. I just thought it interesting undercovers were mentioned when I heard that very thing last night.

[QUOTE=Bigrmassage]She is slim, but her enthusiam was great and her willingness to please was at the top of my experience level. Whatever I wanted, she gave.[/QUOTE]

I agree completely. Melissa is awesome. My favorite date right now.

[QUOTE=Whorehound38]I agree completely. Melissa is awesome. My favorite date right now.[/QUOTE]

If I am lucky enough to hook up with Melissa, will she accompany me to a room if I get one? I'd rather not attempt something like this in a car or parked behind an abandoned house.

[QUOTE=Pete® Parke®]If I am lucky enough to hook up with Melissa, will she accompany me to a room if I get one? I'd rather not attempt something like this in a car or parked behind an abandoned house.[/QUOTE]

Take her to a room, totally worth it. Be nice to her too, she's a nice girl.

Are there any places left where you can get a room without any.

Or at least few questions asked?

Busted across Finley in the early AM hours and again in the PM. However, not much to report. I did see a white girl strolling along the first road to the south of Finley getting ready to cross 16th St, a couple of days ago. Couldn't figure out if she was going to the gas station, or out workin' it.

Nada again today along 5th in the 4 o'clock hour. However, after I hooked the right to continue north on Hwy 11 (I think you're in Centerpoint when you make that turn), I saw a lady standing out in front of the Chevron next to the road with a suitcase. She looked sort of ragged, so I'm not sure what the deal was, several large gentlemen were hanging out in the vicinity. Didn't stop to investigate.

Anyone know of any activity (past, present, or potential future) in the area sort of west northwest of HWY 11 between Trussville & Centerpoint? Near the Edwards Lake Road area? It's rumored that there is a lot of gang activity back in that area, any SW potential there? What about in the Five Points area? It seems like the girls would start moving away from 1st, and Five Points seems like a relatively close location to switch to.

[QUOTE=Pete® Parke®]If I am lucky enough to hook up with Melissa, will she accompany me to a room if I get one? I'd rather not attempt something like this in a car or parked behind an abandoned house.[/QUOTE]She does seem cool and laid back. Not the type to flag you down or run across traffic to jump in your car.

When you do see her, just be up front with her and ask her. When she was with me, she stated that she had a room, but had someone else in that room and she did not like people all up in her business.

She also stated that LE scared her and asked to be taken out of sight of the main drag for lower visibility. That explains why she operates as she does.

You may also offer to pay for the room, but let her sign up and keep it afterward. Gives her peace of mind that it is not a set up and allows her to use the room till check out time. To me, that is a win win situation.

I've never seen any girls in the area you speak of near Edwards Lake Road. Occasionally I've seen, and heard reports of, girls walking down Center Point Road in the Huffman and Center Point areas. For me, that's so occasional, and so far out of the way, that I don't ever bother with looking in that area unless I'm specifically down that way. I also believe you were referring to 1st as 5th again, if you were the one I was having the discussion about the names of roads previously with. As for Five Points, if you mean Five Points South, yes there's girls that are over on that side of town, you just have to be lucky and be in the right place at the right time, basically like anywhere you go. There's always characters hanging around the fountain in the middle of Southside, and girls that's usually hanging around there, especially when the area's not crowded, are potentially SW. There's also a park that's about a block over from the fountain where girls can occasionally hang out. And not far from that park there's some projects which you pass by at the intersection of University (8th Ave So) and 24th Street, and if you ride through those projects you can occasionally see girls in there, and that's basically the area where alot of those girls that hang around on the Southside get their supply of dope. I've also seen girls around the area of a motel that's across the street from an Arby's on 7th Avenue South and 21st or 22nd Streets. This motel is next to the Burly Earl and La Cocina if you know where those are. If you need to know of areas where girls, I have posted a 'Where the SW Are' Faq in the main Birmingham folder on here, if you didn't previously know about it. I've listed Southside, also called Five Points South on there as well. Basically the areas I've listed are always areas of potential, you just have to be lucky. It always gets me when people ask the 'right times' to find SW, as there's really no right time, you just have to be lucky. It's the girls and their dope habit that rule whether they're going to be out there, though true there are some that pay attention to the time of day and the traffic volume, but it's always going to be determined on if they have their dope of choice and/or money to buy it with.

Dirtball, as for motels to get a room, I'd say that any motel that houses SW would rent a room without any questions, as they surely know what's going on. Many of them rent by the hour, which shows they know what's happening. It would just always be best to rent the room for that time, and never ever give the SW the room for themselves under your name, unless you paid with cash and didn't use your name. Any motel down 1st where SW are found would be potential, though their methods may vary. I've not done that before so I can't offer any details. I haven't paid for a motel in years dealing with SW, and even then it was just to further a room rental they already had.

Ran around 1st Ave at 11:00 am this morning. Not much action. I did see a good looking girl at McD with a known WSW. She had a medium build, tight blue jeans and white top on. Long black/dark brown curly hair (could be extensions) and black sun glasses. Noticed a tattoo on her lower back.

The good looking girl tried to wave me down as a went through the McD drive thru but I was on a work call at the time. Doh!

Might try to run out there later tonight to see what I can find.

[QUOTE=Clark Kent]Dirtball, as for motels to get a room, I'd say that any motel that houses SW would rent a room without any questions, as they surely know what's going on. Many of them rent by the hour, which shows they know what's happening. It would just always be best to rent the room for that time, and never ever give the SW the room for themselves under your name, unless you paid with cash and didn't use your name. Any motel down 1st where SW are found would be potential, though their methods may vary. I've not done that before so I can't offer any details. I haven't paid for a motel in years dealing with SW, and even then it was just to further a room rental they already had.[/QUOTE]I didn't make myself clear. I meant motels that are fairly close to 1st but not on first. There was a time, for instance, when the King's Inn on South Parkway in Huntsville would rent you a room without having to show your license. "John Smith" rented a lot of rooms there! LOLOL.

Well, I had a nice score today. I initially hit 1st Avenue at 8ish, and saw nothing except what I thought to be a tranny around the movie theaters. I then went to a place to have some work done on my car. I headed back that way around 11 and casually cruised up, then back down 1st South or Georgia Road or down Messer to the interstate and then back. Well, I spotted these two white girls. One a little older and quite heavy, and a young one, slightly overweight with NICE breasts. Short blond hair, sunglasses. Both were really cool. A slight glance, but they had enough of the look to pique my interest. By the time I could make a decent turnaround and head back they were gone. I cut back over to south and glanced them down a side street. I worked my way back around again and finally caught up with them. The less attractive of the two did the talking, but I told her I wanted to see the younger girl, who was up for it. I didn't have the time to REALLY partake, unfortunately (they invited me to use their house, which I took both of them to), so I settled for a quick BJ in an area that I know and trust. Man, this chick knows what she's doing. She let those big puppies swing while she was at it, and they are nice. One jackson later I had a big smile on my face.

'Bout time I hit it good. Makes me eager to head back.

Okay, sorry but I've been away from internet access for a few days and really can't resist posting my retort. And I'll keep it brief.

[QUOTE=Hobby Eric]From the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration:

* In 2002, 42,850 people died in traffic accidents. Of that number, 19,103 were not wearing seat belts.[/QUOTE]So, 55% of those wearing their seatbelts died. That's the majority of drivers/pasengers. This statistic proves that it's safer to ride without one.

[QUOTE=Make It Good]So, 55% of those wearing their seatbelts died. That's the majority of drivers/pasengers. This statistic proves that it's safer to ride without one.[/QUOTE]

*chuckles*

If you really, truly, believe that, there's nothing more to say.

Considering that, probably, 90% of the people in accidents were wearing seatbelts it makes perfect sense that most of the people killed in accidents were wearing seatbelts. But a much higher percentage of those who weren't were killed instead of living. It's kind of like saying most accidents occur within 10 miles of the home. Considering that's where we spend most of our time it makes sense that's where the accidents happen.

Believe what you will. And skew the numbers ever how you like. We won't weep at your funeral.

Sorry to be the asshole here but fuck public safety announcements! Isn't this place about talking about escorts and hookers? Have we lost out way on this?

Took a stroll dow Finley on my way to Tuscaloosa Sunday. Nothing to write home about is the understatement of the week. WSW at the McD's that was nearing the end of her road; seriously, she was in the 55-60 age range and appeared to be all but completely used up. BSW on Arkadelphia(Sp?) near the Church's fast food joint. Wasn't necessarily horrible, maybe a 6 on sw scale, but was tweaking HARD. I passed on both of these.

I wanted to make it down to 1st, but I was tired; and if I can be perfectly honest that place weirds me out a little. I drive a fairly flashy car and seem to draw the heat from LEO more than I would like. I don't have this problem on FIB or in Memphis, so maybe its just the Ham's finest?

I digress, hope to find some action in your fair city soon. Happy hunting to you all.

I've not seen any girls worth anything on Finley in a while. Same for Arkadelphia and 78 heading west. Sure there are some there, but they're nothing worth stopping for.

As for 1st, or really any area around town, I've always felt if you have a flashy colored car and are driving back and forth in an area over and over again, it's surely going to attract attention. I notice people driving back and forth who aren't in flashy cars, so surely the more noticeable ones would get noticed quicker. Late at night when I normally am out, there's alot less cars out, and the ones that are out are usually riding alone, so if a cop is sitting somewhere they're likely going to notice if a bright colored car passes more than once. I've always headed to the other side of town if I see too many cops riding down the road, parked somewhere or stopping people. 1st Avenue is probably noticeable because it's mainly a straightaway and like I said, late at night there's a small amount of traffic, so you're usually by yourself if you're riding and not in a pack of cars. I'd say the reason that FIB doesn't have the same feel is because it's off a more active interstate, and the cops there can't just assume that cars riding down the stretch are looking for SW. Cops here are more backward thinking, and they think you're doing something wrong right off the bat.

Alright, multiple things to report. But first things first, Clark, I don't know why I keep referring to 1st ave as 5th ave, apparently I'm a moron. But yes, I did mean 1st Ave N. And yes, we were discussing road names previously. Also, I've read the "Where to find SWs" section you so gracefully provided. The area that I'm referring to as Five Points is not Southside, but rather Five Points East near Irondale. It just seems like a logical area for SWs to migrate to, in order to avoid LEO. Great, now I'm trying to forecast SW movements.

As for Finley & Hwy 78. I wouldn't even bother going down there. I'm in the area daily, and there is just nothing there. I've seen a few possible girls, and the fact is that most of them are indeed just wasted. Also, I've seen more people being arrested along Finley the past two weeks, than I have in the past two years. I guess Larry jumping around in sackcloth might have worked.

On my daily commute along 1st, I've notice one dark haired lady walking along the road just west of I-20. Seemed like a potential SW, but didn't investigate any further.

When passing the Super Sauna the past few days, it seems like they're getting a decent amount of business. There have indeed been unmarked cars sitting in the area, but I don't know if they're there looking after people stopping in, or for other things.

Ok, I know that this isn't the right place, but I saw BabyGirl this PM. I've posted a review under the CL section.

I've been a lurker for over a year and finally decided I had something worthwhile to contribute. I don't do the SW scene, but I can report on some escorts. Carla's is in the phonebook and has been around for a while. I usually get my money's worth and if I don't I get a discount on the next appointment. Some good indy's are Samantha, Lexi, Cammie, (a bit older than I expected but very talented). If anyone has suggestions on any others I would appreciate the info.

Five Points East, lol. No one would know the area called Five Points East unless they just happen to look at an old strip mall marquee near Irondale. As far as that area, I've not really seen any activity out that way except things here and there. I know the USA motel toward Birmingham from Irondale used to be active, but I also know it used to be highly watched. You'd think girls would move to other areas to avoid the heat, but unless the dope goes with them, they'll stay in the fire just because that's where the dope is.

Saw several girls out tonight in various places around the 1st Avenue North and surrounding neighborhoods.

Picked up a white girl named Christina near the Chevron north of I-20, she looked to have a pretty decent body but when she got in the car she had bad acne scars, and scabs all over her legs, and it looked like she had some kind of herpes infection of the eye. Totally gross and disgusting, I told her I thought she was someone else and gave her a ride and dropped her off near the sky.

Christina told me that Melissa was in jail, had moved away, went with a date to Panama City, that she didn't know her, and that she was real tight with her all in the space of about 60 seconds. Clearly the girl was tweaking, I was glad to get rid of her. I hope she was lying or mistaken about Melissa not being around anymore.

I saw another white lady that I've been seeing out pretty regularly near 52st on 1st Ave in front of the bus station, but didn't stop. She looked a lot cleaner today than the last few times I saw her out there, I might stop and investigate on another day.

And on 2nd Ave near 52PL, I saw a gorgeous BSW. Incredible body, wow probably the best looking girl I've ever seen out there. She was dressed to get the message across too. Unfortunately someone picked her up before I got a chance.

I also saw a nice looking thin white lady with brown hair in a pony tail, wearing a black wifebeater shirt and a black baseball cap. She waved a few times, but I wasn't stopping for her right on the street or anything - I would definitely like to meet her if I got the chance.

Also in Woodlawn, right past the Piggly Wiggly there is something going on with a lot of really nice looking Latin ladies. Whatever they were doing, I don't think they were looking for dates because they seemed busy, but they sure were nice to look at.

Anyway, spent about 2 hours out looking and while I saw plenty of girls, there were only a couple I would be interested in meeting and it just didn't happen tonight.

WH, Melissa is still around. I saw her late last night on the corner of 52nd as she normally is found there, with her usual skirt on. I know the Christina you mentioned, and she used to be quite cute, but she's let herself go farther down the dope path the last few years. She still has that innocent look to her face, and always reminds me of Melissa Gilbert or Dana Plato. She's always had those sores and scabs, as well as a multitude of jail made tattoos. I'd say she's been out on the street now for about 15 years. The last time I picked her up, she remembered me from the last time I saw her several years before, as back then I used to let her come back to my place and clean herself up. This last time she was frantic outside of the Motel 8 and I didn't really know who she was until I got up close to her. She claimed some guy picked her up, beat the hell out of her and took the money she had, and was still riding around in the area. Then she claimed he drove by and wanted me to follow him. I don't think so. So I ended up carrying her down to the unnamed motel by the Anchor where her 'boyfriend' was staying at, who we ended up encountering at the Shell near there. He was a carbon copy cut out version of the usual thug that the girls usually get with, and we left out of the parking lot so he would think she had a date. I then drove her over by the new motel, gave her 10 since she used to be a sweet girl, and left her in no better shape than I found her in. Girls like that are sad, because they don't have the look of being out on the street doing all the mess they're doing. She once gave me a story of her step dad raping her when she was growing up, but as with the story she gave today, you can never tell whether it's real or just a bunch of crap. Though back then she didn't ramble on incessantly as she appeared to do today. She tends to disappear for a while and then will show back up, disappearing long enough to make me wonder what happened to her. For that matter, has anyone seen Grandma recently ? Odd that she's been out of sight for so long. She's probably in jail, as she has disappeared before and reappeared with about 50 pounds weight gain- meaning she was in jail.

CK I'm on 1st just about every day and I can't remember when I've seen grandma. It would have to be back before they tore down the McDonald's they rebuilt and maybe even a good while before that.

I took a cruise down 1st on my way to the office. Nothing out, did see one BSW around 51st, she had nice behind and hips, but the face an upper body were BUSTED.

I'll head that way again on my way home. Maybe I'll running into that gorgeous BSW someone reported seeing (on 2nd pl or something).

[QUOTE=Grl Lvr601]CK I'm on 1st just about every day and I can't remember when I've seen grandma. It would have to be back before they tore down the McDonald's they rebuilt and maybe even a good while before that.[/QUOTE]

who exactly is grandma ? is that Cindy ?

the reason I ask is because when I met Cindy and Amy/Jazzy, Amy called Cindy "grandma" so either it was really her grandmother she was working with or that is maybe Cindy's nickname, or maybe its some street slang that I don't understand.

[QUOTE=Clark Kent]WH, Melissa is still around. I saw her late last night on the corner of 52nd as she normally is found there[/QUOTE]

thanks for the info, I'm glad to hear that

I haven't dated any girls the last couple of weeks, and I'm dying to see Melissa again. She gave me two phone numbers that are both disconnected.

Do you happen to know if Melissa really lives in those apartments over on 52st ? Not the first set that you come too after you turn off 1st Ave, but the second set after the fork in the road... Melissa told me she lived there, and she seems pretty trustworthy for a SW, she doesn't seem to lie just to hear herself lie like some other girls I've met.