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Hi All Just looking for group input. How is reddit sub sites like Oregonbreeding, PortlandEscorts ect. Anyone have any good luck there. I know its all likely click bait and other crap. But if the girl has local posts. One never knows No time invested nothing gained. Has anyone had good luck there?
Best Guys and Girls. Yes there are girls also who pick up girls. Not a lot. But it does happen.
[QUOTE=********;7362125]Hi All Just looking for group input. How is reddit sub sites like Oregonbreeding, PortlandEscorts ect. Anyone have any good luck there. I know its all likely click bait and other crap. But if the girl has local posts. One never knows No time invested nothing gained. Has anyone had good luck there?
Best Guys and Girls. Yes there are girls also who pick up girls. Not a lot. But it does happen.[/QUOTE]I had a few hookups from Reddit in the past. I treat it more like Tinder or Fet. I've never paid for services through any of the 3 and had some good luck on all, but they are an all a ton of work. You have to send a ton of messages, get few responses and then just when you think you're about to close the deal on the meet about 1/3 of the time she goes ghost. But. Sometimes you find yourself balls deep in a freaky hottie.
Of the 3, fet has been my best for effort / reward. I gave up on Reddit last year, the effort was not worth the reward.
The very very best was Craigslist Casual Encounters back in the day. Fuck I had a ton of fun with ladies from there. I miss that so much.
I too miss the CL Casual Encounters days. You could find a bored mistreated housewife and have a ton of fun with a hottie and they love to be pleased. Sadly thoes days are long gone. Not a lot of trust anymore I get that Fet is ok. Like anything else You have to do the time to get results. CL was just easier, Nurses were also the top of my list, They are always a fun great group of girls.
So much spam to sort out now days. Maybe an AI program to help find girls might be worth some money.
Best All rain today.
[QUOTE=********;7363810]I too miss the CL Casual Encounters days. You could find a bored mistreated housewife and have a ton of fun with a hottie and they love to be pleased. Sadly thoes days are long gone. Not a lot of trust anymore I get that Fet is ok. Like anything else You have to do the time to get results. CL was just easier, Nurses were also the top of my list, They are always a fun great group of girls.
So much spam to sort out now days. Maybe an AI program to help find girls might be worth some money.
Best All rain today.[/QUOTE]Yes!! Nurses! What is it about nurses? I swear 1/2 of the slutty civvies I've fucked are nurses. If you can find a travel nurse that wants a local regular to fuck while she's in town, they're the best! Been lucky enough to find a few in my past.
Right on man. The nurses I have done are all great. So open and know what they want and how to give also The Florence Nightingale complex.
Off to Redit and fetlife. I need to find a new regular My old one went dark after about 6 years or so. But she had gone downhill a bit in looks. I do and did like shocking her with holding all moaning and just being totally calm while the first huge spurt erupts into her mouth, No warning. Just a sudden mouth filling surprise for her. The look on her face is sometime priceless.
Back to work. Hot weather coming.
[QUOTE=Kinksty;7362189]I had a few hookups from Reddit in the past. I treat it more like Tinder or Fet. I've never paid for services through any of the 3 and had some good luck on all, but they are an all a ton of work. You have to send a ton of messages, get few responses and then just when you think you're about to close the deal on the meet about 1/3 of the time she goes ghost. But. Sometimes you find yourself balls deep in a freaky hottie.
Of the 3, fet has been my best for effort / reward. I gave up on Reddit last year, the effort was not worth the reward.
The very very best was Craigslist Casual Encounters back in the day. Fuck I had a ton of fun with ladies from there. I miss that so much.[/QUOTE]I've never met anyone off Fet, it seems rather hard to find the women through the see of lurking guys. And I'm in my early 50's and lacking the fitness of my youth. While PDX is pretty dad-bod friendly, it is still harder to compete with the guys that have more physical attributes to offer.
Seeking had way better results for me. I had a few "arrangements" that had nothing to do with money, and a few that were very allowance based. A lot of time and efforts to find and set things up, but once in place it was great. I think you have to be somewhat of a empathic guy and show some caring to your sugar baby though. Some stories I heard make me a bit embarrassed with my fellow men out there. Women want to feel safe, and that means a bit of communication and empathy. I would guess that most girls on seeking have some serious daddy issues. When they feel safe, they really let go and get a bit wild. Super fun. When things wind down, I also make sure that things end very positive. That has resulted in a few booty calls from past SBs at "no charge" other than me taking them out to dinner and listening to their break-up story, how their life is going, etc.
I would love to have Fet work though. Casual hookups sound fun. Sadly the internet was so new when I was in my 20's to 30's that I missed out on being young to play the online hookup roulette.
Watch the movie Solitary Man with Michael Douglas. He shows you how to pick up the younger women. I like the lines and would use it in a heartbeat.
[QUOTE=********;7368745]Watch the movie Solitary Man with Michael Douglas. He shows you how to pick up the younger women. I like the lines and would use it in a heartbeat.[/QUOTE]They work when you look like Michael Douglas.
[QUOTE=QuickFoot;7368129]I've never met anyone off Fet, it seems rather hard to find the women through the see of lurking guys. And I'm in my early 50's and lacking the fitness of my youth. While PDX is pretty dad-bod friendly, it is still harder to compete with the guys that have more physical attributes to offer.
Seeking had way better results for me. I had a few "arrangements" that had nothing to do with money, and a few that were very allowance based. A lot of time and efforts to find and set things up, but once in place it was great. I think you have to be somewhat of a empathic guy and show some caring to your sugar baby though. Some stories I heard make me a bit embarrassed with my fellow men out there. Women want to feel safe, and that means a bit of communication and empathy. I would guess that most girls on seeking have some serious daddy issues. When they feel safe, they really let go and get a bit wild. Super fun. When things wind down, I also make sure that things end very positive. That has resulted in a few booty calls from past SBs at "no charge" other than me taking them out to dinner and listening to their break-up story, how their life is going, etc.
I would love to have Fet work though. Casual hookups sound fun. Sadly the internet was so new when I was in my 20's to 30's that I missed out on being young to play the online hookup roulette.[/QUOTE]Fet works pretty well. Slow play the dms and don't act too pushy and they will open up like a flower. I pay some $ and keep my anonymity. Think I've met five or six on fet and still see three. Never have seen a condom with them.
[QUOTE=Mizunate;7331529]That's a tough one to answer as it can depend on a variety of factors. But let's say our criteria is availability of women who are active on the board (s), how attractive the women are, pricing (no GPS), and whether these women follow through on meeting up and having fun.
If those are our criteria, I've had the most success in areas that are more conservative and a bit remote. Salt Lake City was good to me. So was San Antonio. Boise was fun, too.
Similarly, really populous areas can be good if you can communicate in volume. I've had a lot of success in California, but you have to chat up a LOT of girls as most will flake on you. But the density of attractive women is worth the hassle, most of the time.
Seattle can be great if you make that trek, and I've found quite a few women in that area are pretty straightforward about meeting up and getting paid, so it works.
(Since we're in the PNW, I'll add that Canada can be great, too. I know it's not domestic, but I've had a lot of fun across Canada as well.).
I've developed a solid communication strategy for being an out-of-towner since most want an ongoing thing, and it's worked well for me.
And any time any of you Senior Members want to chat or pick my brain or whatever, PM me. I'm happy to help when I can.[/QUOTE]1) Which do you prefer for sugar, Vancouver, Montreal, or Toronto?
2) What is this out-of-towner communication strategy?
Wants $5 for time with her and her husband. Her fitness level has me very curious but, while open minded. His presence gives me pause.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/34e7c53e-cb84-468b-aba0-683536f1d7db[/URL]
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6ac37cb1-260f-4c90-a1ff-1119331fbb2e[/URL]
Anyone seen this girl? She's in Portland.
[QUOTE=Mizunate;7052941]I gave a "review" here: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?31774-Non-Pro-s&p=7028640&viewfull=1[/URL]#post7028640.
There's more context, though.
I was chatting someone up on SB a while back, and the conversation fell off. It happens, no big deal. But then she "favorited" me on Seeking. I found it odd she would blow me off via one platform, but favorite me on another.
So, I chatted her up on Seeking, and again, the conversation fell off. Whatever. I wished her well and she explained she was going through some life things, and would reconnect later. Again, no big deal, we all go through it sometimes.
Then I asked why she blew me off via SB. She told me the site was auto-generating messages from her account, and it seems to be using A. I. To do so.
More to the point, SB is part of a series of sites, and accounts are syndicated across those sites. I found this out because a woman I gave my number to reached out and said "hi, this is (name) from (site I've never heard of)" and we compared notes.
And the woman whose account was being used to start fake conversations never signed up for Seeking Benefits. She signed up for another site altogether, and her profile was syndicated to SB.
So, long story short, SB appears to be starting fake conversations from real accounts using A. I. , and syndicating profiles across various sites. This would also explain why they were so adamant they filter fake profiles. Why worry about fake profiles when you just use A. I. To start fake conversations from real accounts?
Great way to get dudes to waste their tokens, too.
Anyway, that's their business model. Now you know.[/QUOTE]A friend of mine who was using SB messaged me a few days ago and asked if I was using SB. I'm not (this thread is a good reason why) and he told me he couldn't purchase credits. It rejects his attempts immediately and won't allow him to switch his payment method. He reached out to SB several times and nobody gets back to him.
So, I do some digging. Turns out, that's how the platform shadow-bans you. They don't remove your profile or prohibit anyone from seeing or interacting with you; they just make it impossible to purchase credits.
He'd done nothing wrong. The "worst" he'd done is report a few members for being rude / fake / whatever, but that's normal. I've done that on Seeking a TON and can still purchase a membership there.
And [URL]sugardaddymeet.com[/URL] and [URL]luxurydates.com[/URL] are sister sites to Seeking Benefits. And all are owned by the same company. They have many of the same members and are supported by the same underlying architecture / services.
And as I've reported before, many women who sign up for one site don't know they're also being surfaced on other sites. I also suspect, after a conversation with a user, that AI is being used to generate "verification" videos. I got to know her fairly well and she told me she never recorded a verification video, and hasn't used the platform in over 6 months, but she's "active" on these platforms and has a verification video.
On top of having fake members and using AI to generate conversations and make verification videos, these three platforms also shadow-ban you. Now you know.
[QUOTE=Mizunate;7387635]A friend of mine who was using SB messaged me a few days ago and asked if I was using SB. I'm not (this thread is a good reason why) and he told me he couldn't purchase credits. It rejects his attempts immediately and won't allow him to switch his payment method. He reached out to SB several times and nobody gets back to him.
So, I do some digging. Turns out, that's how the platform shadow-bans you. They don't remove your profile or prohibit anyone from seeing or interacting with you; they just make it impossible to purchase credits.
He'd done nothing wrong. The "worst" he'd done is report a few members for being rude / fake / whatever, but that's normal. I've done that on Seeking a TON and can still purchase a membership there.
And [URL]sugardaddymeet.com[/URL] and [URL]luxurydates.com[/URL] are sister sites to Seeking Benefits. And all are owned by the same company. They have many of the same members and are supported by the same underlying architecture / services.
And as I've reported before, many women who sign up for one site don't know they're also being surfaced on other sites. I also suspect, after a conversation with a user, that AI is being used to generate "verification" videos. I got to know her fairly well and she told me she never recorded a verification video, and hasn't used the platform in over 6 months, but she's "active" on these platforms and has a verification video.
On top of having fake members and using AI to generate conversations and make verification videos, these three platforms also shadow-ban you. Now you know.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this, yes Seeking Benefits is pretty know for doing shady stuff.
But no, SugardaddyMeet is it's own thing, they've been around almost as long as Seeking (2007). Like Seeking it works on a monthly membership, none of that buy credits to answer spam messages BS.
It has nothing to do with Seeking Benefits. Secret Benefits runs [URL]sugardaddy.com[/URL], sugardaddy. Ca, sugardaddy. Co. Uk, etc. And like you said they run the same zombie profiles.
[URL]Luxurydate.com[/URL] also looks like it's using the same template as [URL]sugardaddy.com[/URL]/ ca / uk, so probably is part of Seeking Benefits too.
If you're interested in Seeking Benefits, here's some background:
[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum/comments/1i5t4f9/secret_benefits_scam/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum/comments/1d434vb/finally_i_studied_secret_benefits_it_is_a_scam/[/URL]
Sorry your friend lost money, but just stay away from SB, there are real girls on there, but you can waste a lot of money trying to filter the bots. Yes, Seeking/SDM have bots too, but at least you don't have to pay money to read messages or look at pictures.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/96931854-7945-4171-aa93-3e7bf2827bee[/URL]
Had a meet and greet with her. Has memory issues it seems but have a date planned. Will pass on how it goes.
Super cute face. Body is not thin. But I usually love the BJ action more than anything else. Just let her work it and work it. My old girl seems to have disappeared Oh well. She was headed downhill anyway. However the new girls I am chatting with has some mis skewed values. She things she is a 10 when she is a 5 with a cute face. We shall see who prevails. I have the money she needs. But am not overpaying. Sometimes we have to let the girls know we are in charge and if I am paying, I want what I want. Like a restaurant, If I wanted Kale. I would order that shit. Now give me a steak. Non pros are a bit harder to find. But it does happen.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a8462a89-1e7a-4b05-a4c6-24e1cb09fb21[/URL]
Iris, 24 very thin nice tight pussy. Works evenings at a dive strip club called the lounge.
Came over to my hotel after work spent about 90 min with her.
400.
This chick has me laughing. I found her by adding randoms on snapchat and she just posted very basic egirl bullshit on her story for like a year until she randomly is like "yeah I'm doing meets in the pear today" so more out of curiosity I hit her up. She quotes me nine right out of the gate. So I push to get a little more info and she basically implies covered FS and there will be nothing else really at all, so I can't imagine that is even good. She deletes me when I tell her so. I added her for kicks a few weeks ago again and I saw she's now dancing at desire. So again I'm asking her when and stuff. She keeps messaging me asking when I will be there (even though I told her I was planning on going a different night). Tonight comes and she's dogging me like a fucking salesmen asking if I'll be there, so I ask how much is the cover and how much is a dance. I'm hungover and fucked recently so my desire to go is low. She hits me back saying cover is 20, and a dance is usually 100 but she'll do 60. She also said she has discounts on cover. I said I would think about it and she fucking kept dogging me asking if I was going to go. Finally I say no and she's gone. There is no charm in her interactions. Seems like probably a semi. I'd love to here thoughts or stories, but I'm leaving this here just in case it isn't crystal clear after interacting with her for 2 messages.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/923c7711-3374-41c1-a96b-07c3bd19cb92[/URL]
[QUOTE=Number3344;7425220]This chick has me laughing. I found her by adding randoms on snapchat and she just posted very basic egirl bullshit on her story for like a year until she randomly is like "yeah I'm doing meets in the pear today" so more out of curiosity I hit her up. She quotes me nine right out of the gate. So I push to get a little more info and she basically implies covered FS and there will be nothing else really at all, so I can't imagine that is even good. She deletes me when I tell her so. I added her for kicks a few weeks ago again and I saw she's now dancing at desire. So again I'm asking her when and stuff. She keeps messaging me asking when I will be there (even though I told her I was planning on going a different night). Tonight comes and she's dogging me like a fucking salesmen asking if I'll be there, so I ask how much is the cover and how much is a dance. I'm hungover and fucked recently so my desire to go is low. She hits me back saying cover is 20, and a dance is usually 100 but she'll do 60. She also said she has discounts on cover. I said I would think about it and she fucking kept dogging me asking if I was going to go. Finally I say no and she's gone. There is no charm in her interactions. Seems like probably a semi. I'd love to here thoughts or stories, but I'm leaving this here just in case it isn't crystal clear after interacting with her for 2 messages.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/923c7711-3374-41c1-a96b-07c3bd19cb92[/URL][/QUOTE]I have an incomplete profile on SA. No photos, no comments, nothing. She messaged me out of the blue asking a whole bunch of questions trying to engage conversation. If she is not AI, definitely spends a lot of time drumming up business.
[QUOTE=Number3344;7425220]This chick has me laughing. I found her by adding randoms on snapchat and she just posted very basic egirl bullshit on her story for like a year until she randomly is like "yeah I'm doing meets in the pear today" so more out of curiosity I hit her up. She quotes me nine right out of the gate. So I push to get a little more info and she basically implies covered FS and there will be nothing else really at all, so I can't imagine that is even good. She deletes me when I tell her so. I added her for kicks a few weeks ago again and I saw she's now dancing at desire. So again I'm asking her when and stuff. She keeps messaging me asking when I will be there (even though I told her I was planning on going a different night). Tonight comes and she's dogging me like a fucking salesmen asking if I'll be there, so I ask how much is the cover and how much is a dance. I'm hungover and fucked recently so my desire to go is low. She hits me back saying cover is 20, and a dance is usually 100 but she'll do 60. She also said she has discounts on cover. I said I would think about it and she fucking kept dogging me asking if I was going to go. Finally I say no and she's gone. There is no charm in her interactions. Seems like probably a semi. I'd love to here thoughts or stories, but I'm leaving this here just in case it isn't crystal clear after interacting with her for 2 messages.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/923c7711-3374-41c1-a96b-07c3bd19cb92[/URL][/QUOTE]Send me her SC please.
[QUOTE=ButtMan343;7394469][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a8462a89-1e7a-4b05-a4c6-24e1cb09fb21[/URL]
Iris, 24 very thin nice tight pussy. Works evenings at a dive strip club called the lounge.
Came over to my hotel after work spent about 90 min with her.
400.[/QUOTE]Is she a fun fuck?
[QUOTE=SugarDaddyPDX;7425223]I have an incomplete profile on SA. No photos, no comments, nothing. She messaged me out of the blue asking a whole bunch of questions trying to engage conversation. If she is not AI, definitely spends a lot of time drumming up business.[/QUOTE]So are you paying for SA? I just hopped on it wants so much money. I still use the traditional dating apps so I'm not really trying to use SA unless I'm in a real pinch. Very funny to see the overlap of SA and hinge for example. But yeah I have no photos and I don't want to drop that much just to message chicks who will then ask insane prices. But it is fun to browse and reference with dating.
[QUOTE=PoonHound1969;7425410]Send me her SC please.[/QUOTE]Fuck dude I would if she hadn't just unadded me. Maybe blocked me. She pops up on my recommended though because I just blanket add any woman that lists herself in portland. If I find her again, you're the first who will know.
I had back in the day great luck on CL and BP long gone they are. Whisper was good for a while. But too much LE and underage shit to worry about. Whats anyone using today. SC Reddit Instagram Maybe there is an App which I have not run across yet. Of coarse there are the scammers which will always be there.
Happy Hunting. Its not as easy as Vegas where the college girls get to fund school books by spending a bit of time on their backs. Oh the good ole days.
Cheers.
Recently met one on Seeking that wanted to meet in one of the adult arcade rooms. Does any know if that is even allowed? Can you use those rooms to fuck? Not very classy but could be a cheap alternative to getting a room.
Recently met one on Seeking that wanted to meet in one of the adult arcade rooms. Does any know if that is even allowed? Can you use those rooms to fuck? Not very classy but could be a cheap alternative to getting a room.
[QUOTE=PaytoPlay;7428645]Recently met one on Seeking that wanted to meet in one of the adult arcade rooms. Does any know if that is even allowed? Can you use those rooms to fuck? Not very classy but could be a cheap alternative to getting a room.[/QUOTE]I have definitely heard of peeps meeting there and even some providers advertising to meet at them. I prefer a real room, so have never done it.
[QUOTE=PaytoPlay;7428645]Recently met one on Seeking that wanted to meet in one of the adult arcade rooms. Does any know if that is even allowed? Can you use those rooms to fuck? Not very classy but could be a cheap alternative to getting a room.[/QUOTE]You can use those rooms for fucking. Sometimes. It depends on the location, staff, and overall vibe of the place. Some places don't care at all, some spots screen pretty diligently. Others look the other way if you handle it right.
I've done it at a few, so do feel free to PM if you want to chat it out. Every spot has its own nuances and notes.
[QUOTE=PaytoPlay;7428645]Recently met one on Seeking that wanted to meet in one of the adult arcade rooms. Does any know if that is even allowed? Can you use those rooms to fuck? Not very classy but could be a cheap alternative to getting a room.[/QUOTE]Yes, many of those places have slightly bigger "couples" booths. I'm not saying it's comfortable, but it gets the job done.
Any info on this one?
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4257779e-f359-4d60-a27a-28dbec231dbf[/URL]
[QUOTE=PaytoPlay;7428643]Recently met one on Seeking that wanted to meet in one of the adult arcade rooms. Does any know if that is even allowed? Can you use those rooms to fuck? Not very classy but could be a cheap alternative to getting a room.[/QUOTE]Taboo on 82, former fantasies on stark, peeps on 102 and one in Beaverton all seem to be most popular. If I'm going to do it, my preference is the one on holgate. By far the nicest theater room, leather couches, and not very busy. Taken a date there before and been the only ones in the room for an hour. Division on east side of the 205 is also a good bet. $10 beats the cost of a hotel.
*I posted this in the Miami, Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach forums, but I know she visited your fine city earlier in the year, so in case she comes back or is from there, you've been warned*.
[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/sugarspice06[/URL]
Reached out to her last Friday and we started chatting. On her fourth text, she immediately asked me what kind of arrangement I was looking for. For a second, I was dumbfounded. Then, I realized she thought she gave me her number of a Sugar Baby / Sugar Daddy site. Thankfully, since I've done the SD thing, I had no problem adjusting on the fly. She wanted to see me that night, but because of the confusion, I decided otherwise because I knew better. Set up the date and then pointed out to her that she might have mistaken me for someone else. When she realized it, she still decided to make the date. But then, when the mistake finally hit her, she tried to change the game. First, she tried to get me to send her a pic. I don't do that. I stay UTR and discreet. Then, she wanted to come to my place. I don't do that either. I stay UTR and discreet. Then, instead of honoring what we agreed upon, she tried to turn it into a Tryst date, to which I pointed out to her the snafu was her fault, not mine. Fast forward to today, the day of the date. She reaches out and confirms it. By the time our date arrived, she no-shows. Luckily for me, my Spidey senses knew she was never going to show and never made the reservations.
I did get her to send me some of her own photos before I pointed out her mistaken identity. In one of the photos, you can tell she's a stripper because what kind of job would allow a ***** to be in her bra and panties with the sign "Employees must wash hands before returning to work" below the mirror? She confirmed she was a stripper but didn't reveal where. She will be very polite, but don't fall for it as it's probably just an act. Remember, she's a stripper. She hustles for her living. She says she's in Coral Springs, but who really knows. The ad says her name is Amber, but I already know it's not. What I don't know is if the name I found is her real name or just another stage name. Also, everything will be covered. As she said, "it will be my way or no way at all. " I don't mind the condom during it, but not for BBBJ. I only agreed to it because of my Spidey senses, but I was never going to go through with the date because you will give me what I want or I will walk away.
If someone finds her on sugar sites, please screenshot and share her profile so we can be aware of this tramp's shenanigans. It's trash like her that needs to be taken out of Sugaring and the hobby.
[QUOTE=Number3344;7425220]This chick has me laughing. I found her by adding randoms on snapchat and she just posted very basic egirl bullshit on her story for like a year until she randomly is like "yeah I'm doing meets in the pear today" so more out of curiosity I hit her up. She quotes me nine right out of the gate. So I push to get a little more info and she basically implies covered FS and there will be nothing else really at all, so I can't imagine that is even good. She deletes me when I tell her so. I added her for kicks a few weeks ago again and I saw she's now dancing at desire. So again I'm asking her when and stuff. She keeps messaging me asking when I will be there (even though I told her I was planning on going a different night). Tonight comes and she's dogging me like a fucking salesmen asking if I'll be there, so I ask how much is the cover and how much is a dance. I'm hungover and fucked recently so my desire to go is low. She hits me back saying cover is 20, and a dance is usually 100 but she'll do 60. She also said she has discounts on cover. I said I would think about it and she fucking kept dogging me asking if I was going to go. Finally I say no and she's gone. There is no charm in her interactions. Seems like probably a semi. I'd love to here thoughts or stories, but I'm leaving this here just in case it isn't crystal clear after interacting with her for 2 messages.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/923c7711-3374-41c1-a96b-07c3bd19cb92[/URL][/QUOTE]There is no cover at Desire a lot of times, and last time I was there on a weekend night, it was $5. This girl sounds like a train wreck. On her IG she appears soft. Thin, sure, but not athletic or toned. No data at all, but I'd be worried about substances. Just an intuition.