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[QUOTE=CobraGuy;6671891]They go after drug users to identify the drug pushers. Hold a charge over your head and you will tell all you know about who you know. You can likely substitute drug user with any other criminal action. Like maybe John's?[/QUOTE]Yes, that's right and that's what they did in the last year to build a case.
But now that the operation is over and the drug dealers (using the analogy) are caught, why go after the drug users?
You're not thinking clearly. Releasing names of people who never made appointments, never committed a crime, would be a disaster. If you actually saw a provider between the dates listed, you should be worried. If you sent them info, but never paid for sex, there's nothing to worry. They would need records from email and phone to even prove you were the one who sent the info. If you did go to these locations, you are on camera going to a known location for illegal paid sex. Simple as that. Who knows how they will decide which men they prosecute? Maybe big names, maybe little, maybe a mix of both?
[QUOTE=JacobsPatrick;6671412]They have names, addresses, telephone numbers, work information and driver's licences. Even if you never made an appointment, it's loss to be outed for most.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JsppsgFun4;6671669][URL]www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/feds-bust-high-end-bothel-1234873115/amp/[/URL]
Interesting take from a former federal prosecutor. Hinting at what he believes is the underlying reasons behind what happened yesterday.[/QUOTE]Interesting point of view. Having been in that world in previous lives, they are overstating, in this context, the connection between espionage and AAMPs. Sex used as an espionage tool usually involves one person and takes place after a relationship has been built over a period of time, such as Swallwell's Chinese girlfriend. I can't imagine building up the kind of relationship with even the most gorgeous AAMP girl to the point where you would give her classified documents. Also, the situation has to be blackmailable. Until the Trump era, most espionage was committed out of greed. A foreign intelligence service would really have to have the right girls seducing the right people for a long time to get to the point that they would need money to support their hobby. If these AAMPs were really being used as an intelligence collection front, individual girls would stay in one location for longer than a couple of weeks and they would have to be trained foreign intelligence agents.
[QUOTE=Max#01;6672027]Interesting point of view. Having been in that world in previous lives, they are overstating, in this context, the connection between espionage and AAMPs. Sex used as an espionage tool usually involves one person and takes place after a relationship has been built over a period of time, such as Swallwell's Chinese girlfriend. I can't imagine building up the kind of relationship with even the most gorgeous AAMP girl to the point where you would give her classified documents. Also, the situation has to be blackmailable. Until the Trump era, most espionage was committed out of greed. A foreign intelligence service would really have to have the right girls seducing the right people for a long time to get to the point that they would need money to support their hobby. If these AAMPs were really being used as an intelligence collection front, individual girls would stay in one location for longer than a couple of weeks and they would have to be trained foreign intelligence agents.[/QUOTE]My 2 c is that is that the RISK of this being an intel blackmail operation is too high for the investigators to resist given the locations and clientele, so they're going that route to make sure and justify their unusually detailed prosecution. As far as whether this really was an operation, well, call me a bit skeptical. The Chinese idea seems far-fetched: Koreans getting in bed with Chinese intel? Sure about that? It's more plausible that it's a mafia style extortion op if anything. BUT wouldn't we hear about it if that was the case?
[QUOTE=Almel89;6671583]How fucked are any of us if the client list is revealed, say you're one of those clients who was never "interviewed" by the agents but still on the list. Would we be getting an agent coming to visit, a call, anything? Would it end up on our records as a charge?
I'm pretty sure as long as you don't say anything or get busted in the act you're fine, but I'm not too sure about the rest.[/QUOTE]I'm not saying it will definitely happen, but anyone who's ever had a clearance knows it can be put at risk over non-criminal issues. If the list is (oops, my bad!) leaked, or if it's shared with other govt agencies using "national security" as the justification, that could be a problem.
[QUOTE=Tadalagash;6671865]Forgive my naivety and simpleton mind. .
But what is the difference between Drug Dealers / drug users and Agency Owners / Johns?
Since when did the Feds or LEO's go after drug users?? Johns don't make money from these ' shady' activities just like the poor drug users. Unless their is an ulterior motive to go after the Johns since they are affluent people (given the expense) and being Whites from upper middle class.[/QUOTE]Things that used to be classified as garden variety prostitution or pimping have gained new life, and been elevated in status, using the trafficking label. That's not to say that real trafficking doesn't exist, only that the label is now being used as a pretext to turn what would previously have been shrugged over into an "OMG, this is horrible" kind of thing.
There is a shitload of state and federal dollars sloshing around and directed at task forces and other so-called anti-trafficking efforts. Prosecutions like this one get lots of publicity and ensure the flow of public money never dries up.
Your tax dollars at work! (sarc off).
[QUOTE=JmSuttr;6672067]I'm not saying it will definitely happen, but anyone who's ever had a clearance knows it can be put at risk over non-criminal issues. If the list is (oops, my bad!) leaked, or if it's shared with other govt agencies using "national security" as the justification, that could be a problem.[/QUOTE]More likely to come up in a PR polygraph, especially a full-scope lifestyle version or in a reinvestigation in the "moral turpitude" realm.
[QUOTE=WillGuyMar;6672054]My 2 c is that is that the RISK of this being an intel blackmail operation is too high for the investigators to resist given the locations and clientele, so they're going that route to make sure and justify their unusually detailed prosecution. As far as whether this really was an operation, well, call me a bit skeptical. The Chinese idea seems far-fetched: Koreans getting in bed with Chinese intel? Sure about that? It's more plausible that it's a mafia style extortion op if anything. BUT wouldn't we hear about it if that was the case?[/QUOTE]We also have to keep in mind that these were DHS cops and not "real" cops. DHS is in the threat business and how they continue to get our taxpayer dollars is to create threats that only they can eliminate.
The only way I could imagine this intelligence scenario going down is something like this:
1. Guy with clearance visits AAMP.
2. AAMP big bosses know he has a clearance and puts on an extortion scheme: "Pay up or we tell your commander. "
3. Guy runs out of money.
4. Guy sells secrets to restore positive cash flow.
Great stuff for TV.
[QUOTE=JmSuttr;6672067]I'm not saying it will definitely happen, but anyone who's ever had a clearance knows it can be put at risk over non-criminal issues. If the list is (oops, my bad!) leaked, or if it's shared with other govt agencies using "national security" as the justification, that could be a problem.[/QUOTE]So basically as long as you don't have a clearance or aren't high up in any organization / company there's a good chance they won't come for you as they're looking to punish people up the totem pole?
That and given the precedent of the DC madam scandal where that lost was never leaked there's a good chance that won't happen either?
Check out paragraph 71 of the report (1st paragraph of page 41):
"Investigators have identified a number of deposits from various covid related relief funds flowing into the accounts, as well as some cash, money order, and P2 P payments, on a much smaller scale than the check funding movement. ".
Just a guess, but it's possible they were targeted for misusing covid relief funds. We all know full well that the government isn't interested in "saving" these women. But when you steal money from them, you certainly get their attention.
[QUOTE=Almel89;6672158]So basically as long as you don't have a clearance or aren't high up in any organization / company there's a good chance they won't come for you as they're looking to punish people up the totem pole?
That and given the precedent of the DC madam scandal where that lost was never leaked there's a good chance that won't happen either?[/QUOTE]The smaller the fish, the higher the likelihood it will escape the shark!
Shocking how nobody who visited the island got charged, but consenting adults have to sweat for something that should be considered legal. Many of the monger are kind law abiding citizens, who most likely lonely or rejected by the wife need to worry about getting exposed and lives destroyed. You can engage in illegal drugs or murder babies and be completely fine. We can drink and smoke which is harmful, but god forbid you have sex. They use sex because it's as basic as eating and for now they can't make that illegal. I hope everyone is safe and a valuable lesson is Learned. Never share you pi, just keep looking. If it's not crazy sb it's always something. In closing I believe in a woman's choice and I also believe in a man's choice to be with who he wants, as long as it's consensual. My work gives me Greece and nobody cares. I do it for the little money! We all sell our bodies and nobody should be punished for consensual sex.
Hope everyone that just gave away their PII stops freaking out. You already gave it up, can't get it back from those people. Learn your lesson and move on.
P.S.-if you really think the agencies "erased" your PII after the verification. Hahahahaha sure they did.
The savior part of this bust be really lame. I be loving these gals for long time and I never ever think they be "slaves" like DHS call them in the news conference. They in it for the green for sure and that it. LE know this too.
[QUOTE=DmvMack;6671979]It was BEG and BTT. Read the charging document that has been provided in the thread.[/QUOTE]Was there ever a website named Happy Together or Happy something? I know they ran out of that APT building in Moasic which was one of the target apartments in the law doc.