"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1849940]Guys who prospect on SA in the Tidewater area of Va PM me for an alert. I must recognize your name to answer.

This brings me much pain because a previously reliable baby (SB # 1) got a cash advance (my bad) and blew me off. Like Ron M said, I'm forgetting about it and moving on. Hollywood said it all. The amount was a weekly allowance so not huge but I could have used it for another baby, so I'm pissed. Shame on her because she could've continued to collect from me week after week. I don't think I am so difficult to be with-at least she seemed to enjoy our sessions if her moaning and screaming orgasms are a reliable guide. The problem is that when you see a baby for a while and like her, the inclination is to trust her. Hard rules are the best (NEVER advance Sugar) in theory, but in practice it isn't always so clear.

On a super positive note, my new ATF (# 4) is on week #2 in the FC. Our 1st date was outstanding! I reported on her below. She is my 1st Baby who absolutely loves sex and is very vocal and demanding about it. She is a HYB 10s across the board.

My SB #2 continues to please and can take all I can give her.

SB # 3, my AA hottie is turning out to be a little ghetto and is a little too shy in bed. Even though she has an awesome body she doesn't like oral and leaps up after cumming to wash and go. I'm letting her go.

Even though I love new pussy, I am going to concentrate on these two for now.[/QUOTE]That's Great. Just stay with a Reliable Provider. At least you'll both know each other. And you don't have to worry about LEO.

[QUOTE=KingGreg; 1849883]Well, thanks seniors. Don't have to bash me. Expected more support. Yes, I am fairly new in this world. But I am trying. And yes these are making me think, stronger and lessons learned. I am probably the most easier to be taken for ride as I trust people more than I trust myself. So, I need to change. Well, I get fooled easily. But it is ok.

I may or may not continue this world. As I don't think. I can learn the art of SD that well. I guess, it is SBs loss. As my offers are far better! I had a good 3 months of SB last year and then I came back. But may be the come back is not that great. May be the young 18-20 age group is here to play games.

Anyway, will see if I am here for long. So long[/QUOTE]Greg, we are all happy to have you and other new SDs join our motley crew and particularly posters like you. The guys are just training you for the necessary thick skin one needs to navigate this Oh so treacherous but scintillating past time of ours. All of the major players on board have humbly taken their licks and more importantly shared them with the membership. That is how we all learn. And it is nice to think that even the mighty fall on occasion-it makes the rest of us feel like we are not so alone. I. E. I know better than to prepay a SB, but I did twice and had a wonderful time collecting on the one that worked. She was SOOO appreciative that I saved her ass financially that she was even more enthusiastic when she delivered the payback. I'm still limping from last night. The one that didn't work just upped the CPO for her sexspan with me. Averaged out it probably only added $25 per visit, aggravating but not terminal.

Sexspan a new term for the dick-tionary of Sugar Daddys: The duration or timespan of a sexual relationship, exclusive of M&Gs and non sexual platonic friendships.

So get a grip brother and keep writing as brother Scott says.

[QUOTE=KingGreg; 1849883]Well, thanks seniors. Don't have to bash me. Expected more support. Yes, I am fairly new in this world. But I am trying. And yes these are making me think, stronger and lessons learned. I am probably the most easier to be taken for ride as I trust people more than I trust myself. So, I need to change. Well, I get fooled easily. But it is ok.

I may or may not continue this world. As I don't think. I can learn the art of SD that well. I guess, it is SBs loss. As my offers are far better! I had a good 3 months of SB last year and then I came back. But may be the come back is not that great. May be the young 18-20 age group is here to play games.

Anyway, will see if I am here for long. So long[/QUOTE]It's more like a Scolding. When you deal with these "Business" Girls you have to use common sense. Don't ever think these Girls will fall in Love with you and you'll live happily ever after. Pay only for the Time you spend with these Girls. Any money you give her outside of playtime is up to you. You seem to be a Nice guy from what I can gather, but always keep your Guard up when dealing with these Girls. Look for an older girl at least late 20's and up. They seem to have less Drama and Game Playing than the younger ones. Hey I've had my share of Mistakes, believe me. LOL! But I learned my lesson just like you're doing now.

[QUOTE=Ron M;1850184]It's more like a Scolding. When you deal with these "Business" Girls you have to use common sense. Don't ever think these Girls will fall in Love with you and you'll live happily ever after. Pay only for the Time you spend with these Girls. Any money you give her outside of playtime is up to you. You seem to be a Nice guy from what I can gather, but always keep your Guard up when dealing with these Girls. Look for an older girl at least late 20's and up. They seem to have less Drama and Game Playing than the younger ones. Hey I've had my share of Mistakes, believe me. LOL! But I learned my lesson just like you're doing now.[/QUOTE]Ron: Thanks but no thanks. If we can't teach lessons to these SBs then they will continue with other brothers of us. This girl can be easily taught a lesson. If I can do that help to my other SD bros then why not. This girl don't have car. And will come with you. I wish I could take her for ride or dinner on some other town (which she can do) and let her take a cab / taxi back. This will definitely tell her. That SDs know her.

[QUOTE=KingGreg; 1849883]Well, thanks seniors. Don't have to bash me. Expected more support. Yes, I am fairly new in this world. But I am trying. And yes these are making me think, stronger and lessons learned. I am probably the most easier to be taken for ride as I trust people more than I trust myself. So, I need to change. Well, I get fooled easily. But it is ok.

I may or may not continue this world. As I don't think. I can learn the art of SD that well. I guess, it is SBs loss. As my offers are far better! I had a good 3 months of SB last year and then I came back. But may be the come back is not that great. May be the young 18-20 age group is here to play games.

Anyway, will see if I am here for long. So long[/QUOTE]Greg,

Sometimes it takes us a while to hit our groove. The last time I re-entered the bowl it took me several months to get my game back. In the interim, there were many no-shows, flakes, and just plain weird babies. Don't abandon ship just yet, would be my advice.

That said, this is not a game for the faint of heart. You must remain fluid, adaptable and resourceful at all times. As I have said many times before, they are a quixotic breed, these babies, and the younger they are, the more elusive. You might try to focus on MILFs for a while, until you get your confidence up and feel like you've learned the ropes a bit more. Just an idea.

Additionally, I have developed a personal philosophy that I'd like to share with you. It is the principle of The Three Ps: patience, persistence and presence. Be in the moment when you are with your baby, or potential baby, and listen to what she is telling you, verbally and non-verbally. You can avoid many unpleasant outcomes by trusting your instincts.

Lastly, there is someone out there for everyone. You may just not have the best of luck with the younger fish. So be it. Focus on the yearlings, or perhaps the more experienced ones. A good friend of mine here in Chicago just got his world rocked this weekend by two MILFs at least ten years his senior, and he is one happy dude, let me assure you.

In the end, as has been said, this is not a game that all can play. If it's not for you, pick up your chips and head home. But if you have just had a few initial set-backs, once more into the breach, man!

Onward,

Scott

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1850166]Sexspan a new term for the dick-tionary of Sugar Daddys: The duration or timespan of a sexual relationship, exclusive of M&Gs and non sexual platonic friendships.[/QUOTE]Fred,

Love the new term! As I think back, it helps me to wrap my arms around situations that I though were longer-term than they really were. From dick in to dick denied, that is the sexspan, right?

Good job,

Scott

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1850306]Greg,

Sometimes it takes us a while to hit our groove. The last time I re-entered the bowl it took me several months to get my game back. In the interim, there were many no-shows, flakes, and just plain weird babies. Don't abandon ship just yet, would be my advice.

That said, this is not a game for the faint of heart. You must remain fluid, adaptable and resourceful at all times. As I have said many times before, they are a quixotic breed, these babies, and the younger they are, the more elusive. You might try to focus on MILFs for a while, until you get your confidence up and feel like you've learned the ropes a bit more. Just an idea.

Additionally, I have developed a personal philosophy that I'd like to share with you. It is the principle of The Three Ps: patience, persistence and presence. Be in the moment when you are with your baby, or potential baby, and listen to what she is telling you, verbally and non-verbally. You can avoid many unpleasant outcomes by trusting your instincts.

Lastly, there is someone out there for everyone. You may just not have the best of luck with the younger fish. So be it. Focus on the yearlings, or perhaps the more experienced ones. A good friend of mine here in Chicago just got his world rocked this weekend by two MILFs at least ten years his senior, and he is one happy dude, let me assure you.

In the end, as has been said, this is not a game that all can play. If it's not for you, pick up your chips and head home. But if you have just had a few initial set-backs, once more into the breach, man!

Onward,

Scott[/QUOTE]Preparedness+Opportunity=Success.

You need to have a boy scout mentality to win at this game. And many others

Hello my fellow brethren. Well I have a young sugar babe. 18 and I really like her. I mostly just like to have one sugarbaby because I don't want to expose myself to more risk, (especially with all the secret tracking going on nowadays.) She does try to negotiate with me often for more, but I'm used to haggling for anything so she is squeezing blood out of a stone from me. It can get really annoying sometimes though.

I don't really understand what is going on with my "babe." Sometimes I will text her and not hear anything 2-5 days in a row or longer. Other times she will hit me up out of the blue pleading to see her asap because she needs some cash. Usually, the man downstairs is happy to oblige, but I'm begging the answer, why can't I get a steady response from her? Maybe she is seeing someone else / etc? I don't get it. Do I need to find someone else to fill the position? Help a SD out.

So I renew my privilages with SA and my fingers take over while being coached by Junior. I send message after message and before you know it, I wind up with 42 messages all together that I either: sent initially or replied to. I go to reply to Pot#1, who lives in Iowa, & actually initiated the convo and I get an error message saying "To prevent spamming, we have limited the number of messages you can send in a 24 hour period." WHAT! I had just struck gold! So now I can't message this sugarbird, that said all she was looking for was a little fun, for 24 hours. It's like finding out Santa is not real. Anyone else ran into this problem?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1850405]Preparedness+Opportunity=Success.

You need to have a boy scout mentality to win at this game. And many others[/QUOTE]Brothers.

I am back. I think my frustration is over! Someone did some prayer. Looks like. I met 1 SB and hopefully will be my ATF for long term. I think in last 2-3 days frustration of loosing to winning a medal. It can happen.

I met this new SB, charming personality, and the way I like. We met between our two cities (half way. So drive was 45-50 mins). What a beautiful evening. Coffee and then directly desert. Loved it. Still not completely open. As SB said not on first date.

I hope I found my ATF. Will follow some of the preparedness+opportunity rule of success. Thanks Scott and HG and others.

Looks Like I am in the game for a while.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;1850295]Ron: Thanks but no thanks. If we can't teach lessons to these SBs then they will continue with other brothers of us. This girl can be easily taught a lesson. If I can do that help to my other SD bros then why not. This girl don't have car. And will come with you. I wish I could take her for ride or dinner on some other town (which she can do) and let her take a cab / taxi back. This will definitely tell her. That SDs know her.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you're still Mad. Best to just let it go. Don't focus on how you're going to get Revenge on her. Just find yourself an Awesome Provider. Believe me you'll forget about this Girl that Cheated you. We've all been Ripped Off by these kinds of Girls, me included. There's nothing you can do. So just move on and find an Awesome Provider. I did. Good Luck to you.

Just forget about the past, and move forward. .

Just to prepare that these pots can go anytime, and need to move on when the time comes.

[QUOTE=KingGreg; 1850642]Brothers.

I am back. I think my frustration is over! Someone did some prayer. Looks like. I met 1 SB and hopefully will be my ATF for long term. I think in last 2-3 days frustration of loosing to winning a medal. It can happen.

I met this new SB, charming personality, and the way I like. We met between our two cities (half way. So drive was 45-50 mins). What a beautiful evening. Coffee and then directly desert. Loved it. Still not completely open. As SB said not on first date.

I hope I found my ATF. Will follow some of the preparedness+opportunity rule of success. Thanks Scott and HG and others.

Looks Like I am in the game for a while.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Just757; 1850431]Hello my fellow brethren. Well I have a young sugar babe. 18 and I really like her. I mostly just like to have one sugarbaby because I don't want to expose myself to more risk, (especially with all the secret tracking going on nowadays.) She does try to negotiate with me often for more, but I'm used to haggling for anything so she is squeezing blood out of a stone from me. It can get really annoying sometimes though.

I don't really understand what is going on with my "babe." Sometimes I will text her and not hear anything 2-5 days in a row or longer. [b]Other times she will hit me up out of the blue pleading to see her asap because she needs some cash[/b]. Usually, the man downstairs is happy to oblige, but I'm begging the answer, why can't I get a steady response from her? Maybe she is seeing someone else / etc? I don't get it. Do I need to find someone else to fill the position? Help a SD out.[/QUOTE]Couple things stand out to me:

1. She likely has a narcissistic personality

2. She clearly sees a use for you, but only as a non-priority.

I would establish some expectations regarding communication with 0 room for excuses (phone was off, emergency etc)

[QUOTE=Just757; 1850431]Hello my fellow brethren. Well I have a young sugar babe. 18 and I really like her. I mostly just like to have one sugarbaby because I don't want to expose myself to more risk, (especially with all the secret tracking going on nowadays.) She does try to negotiate with me often for more, but I'm used to haggling for anything so she is squeezing blood out of a stone from me. It can get really annoying sometimes though.

I don't really understand what is going on with my "babe." Sometimes I will text her and not hear anything 2-5 days in a row or longer. Other times she will hit me up out of the blue pleading to see her asap because she needs some cash. Usually, the man downstairs is happy to oblige, but I'm begging the answer, why can't I get a steady response from her? Maybe she is seeing someone else / etc? I don't get it. Do I need to find someone else to fill the position? Help a SD out.[/QUOTE]Hey Just 757, sounds like you have landed a Nando 1, and she is just using you as an ATM when she needs a cash infusion. If you want more emotional buy in then she is not the one for you, but if a fuck buddy is acceptable then keep her on the side and continue looking for a "real" SB. Tell her how it has to be since you are the guy with the $$. Yes, they have the pussy but she needs the $$. Tell her 1) no more nagging about money. 2) what her allowance will be. 3) expect to answer your texts within 8 hrs, and 4) hit the road if that doesn't work for her. And be prepared to drop her from your rotation if she defies you. There are plenty more where she came from.

[QUOTE=LoriTruck;1850565]So I renew my privilages with SA and my fingers take over while being coached by Junior. I send message after message and before you know it, I wind up with 42 messages all together that I either: sent initially or replied to. I go to reply to Pot#1, who lives in Iowa, & actually initiated the convo and I get an error message saying "To prevent spamming, we have limited the number of messages you can send in a 24 hour period." WHAT! I had just struck gold! So now I can't message this sugarbird, that said all she was looking for was a little fun, for 24 hours. It's like finding out Santa is not real. Anyone else ran into this problem?[/QUOTE]If I remember correctly that happened to me on SA once when I was trying to send multiple messages.