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[QUOTE=WiDaddy;5824192]Wow! Very sad. I just confirmed what you said. What a sweet girl. RIP ❤65039;.[/QUOTE]" Is anyone here honestly surprised when a provider succumbs to death related to their lifestyle and addiction? Do we just pretend that Is not what is going on and that somehow we are not part of that?
[QUOTE=BenOnTop69;5823328]I am greatly saddened to have to report that Bailey passed away last Thursday. I don't know the details but I'd guess OD. So sad. She was a sweet girl who went the wrong way.[/QUOTE]That is just horrible. Poor thing, she deserved better in life. All these women do. A real tragedy.
[QUOTE=HospyPro;5824208]" Is anyone here honestly surprised when a provider succumbs to death related to their lifestyle and addiction? Do we just pretend that Is not what is going on and that somehow we are not part of that?[/QUOTE]One could argue that we, as participating parties are enabling their addictions are just as culpable as the people that supply the substance they abuse. I've wrestled with this thought many times usually after having seen someone that is clearly in the middle of a full-blown drug addiction. Usually brushing it off as, 'well, at least now they won't get sick'. I've long stopped seeing providers that I knew or suspected of addiction.
If anyone is interested in Baileys obit I can direct you there if you DM me.
[QUOTE=CasualReader;5824616]One could argue that we, as participating parties are enabling their addictions are just as culpable as the people that supply the substance they abuse. I've wrestled with this thought many times usually after having seen someone that is clearly in the middle of a full-blown drug addiction. Usually brushing it off as, 'well, at least now they won't get sick'. I've long stopped seeing providers that I knew or suspected of addiction.
If anyone is interested in Baileys obit I can direct you there if you DM me.[/QUOTE]Having seen her 6 years ago and then again recently and the change between the two meetings.
Very sad. She had been one of my atf since the basement days. Such a young and innocent thing back then. I could tell something was up the last couple times I saw her. She had some serious personal issues recently. RIP B. You will be missed.
[QUOTE=BenOnTop69;5823328]I am greatly saddened to have to report that Bailey passed away last Thursday. I don't know the details but I'd guess OD. So sad. She was a sweet girl who went the wrong way.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CasualReader;5824616]One could argue that we, as participating parties are enabling their addictions are just as culpable as the people that supply the substance they abuse. I've wrestled with this thought many times usually after having seen someone that is clearly in the middle of a full-blown drug addiction. Usually brushing it off as, 'well, at least now they won't get sick'. I've long stopped seeing providers that I knew or suspected of addiction.
If anyone is interested in Baileys obit I can direct you there if you DM me.[/QUOTE]Obit please.
There are plenty of 9-5 ers who have an addiction I don't think their employers feel guilty or culpable about enabling them. They come in do their job get paid. They may try to help them seek help. Unfortunately sometimes we do see the ugly side of that life.
When I was in Phoenix last time the girls wisdom teeth were bothering her so she rubbed some medication on her gums and lit up a crack pipe and then got down to business. I was naked on the bed and went through with the session. That was the second time first was Danny California crazy times.
[QUOTE=CasualReader;5824616]One could argue that we, as participating parties are enabling their addictions are just as culpable as the people that supply the substance they abuse. I've wrestled with this thought many times usually after having seen someone that is clearly in the middle of a full-blown drug addiction. Usually brushing it off as, 'well, at least now they won't get sick'. I've long stopped seeing providers that I knew or suspected of addiction.
If anyone is interested in Baileys obit I can direct you there if you DM me.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BrunoMadison;5825251]Obit please.[/QUOTE]Please do not post her obit publicly. Allow her some dignity.
[QUOTE=MadJockey;5825269]There are plenty of 9-5 ers who have an addiction I don't think their employers feel guilty or culpable about enabling them. They come in do their job get paid. They may try to help them seek help. Unfortunately sometimes we do see the ugly side of that life.
When I was in Phoenix last time the girls wisdom teeth were bothering her so she rubbed some medication on her gums and lit up a crack pipe and then got down to business. I was naked on the bed and went through with the session. That was the second time first was Danny California crazy times.[/QUOTE]" "Employers do not feel guilty about paying employees with addiction" From a stone cold transactional perspective of services rendered this even then is thin ice. The profession is for most not an aspiration but honestly a desperation. Pretty women of the low rent variety are predominantly desperate. Driven by the madness of the mental illness of addiction. Disabled really. Choosing a dangerous venue out of desperation for Revenue to feed the obsession of self destruction one hit at a time. This is why most providers in the low rent category are terrible. Terrible attitude, terrible appearance, terrible authenticity. This is the primary motivation and cause for the rip offs. We Know this. There is an ethical implication to paying mentally I'll people for "Services" deniable plausibility is a stretch unless one fancies themselves an unbiased employer and boy oh boy I do not wish to take that title in this playground under any circumstances. ".
[QUOTE=TJ321;5825491]Please do not post her obit publicly. Allow her some dignity.[/QUOTE]I agree. I can't find a lot of information about her obituary, but if anyone wants to look it up, I'll share her real name. PM me for information.
[QUOTE=CasualReader;5824616]One could argue that we, as participating parties are enabling their addictions are just as culpable as the people that supply the substance they abuse. I've wrestled with this thought many times usually after having seen someone that is clearly in the middle of a full-blown drug addiction. Usually brushing it off as, 'well, at least now they won't get sick'. I've long stopped seeing providers that I knew or suspected of addiction.
If anyone is interested in Baileys obit I can direct you there if you DM me.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, I would guess that almost all of the STG girls are supporting an addiction. I don't see these girls because I don't like supporting someone's drug habit, and because they're a type of provider that I don't enjoy being around.
Before I moved to Madison, there were always higher-end providers available with no obvious signs of drug addiction (unless you count smoking pot). Most of them had outside jobs and were providing sex on the side for additional spending money. You can more or less tell who has her act together and who doesn't. Just looking at the photos at STG (those that aren't obvious scams) makes it obvious that they do not. Which doesn't leave us with much of anything.
[QUOTE=TJ321;5825491]Please do not post her obit publicly. Allow her some dignity.[/QUOTE]Meant for that to be a PM. Definitely don't post it online.
[QUOTE=MadisonMonger;5824090]This is horrible. First Lily now Bailey.
How did you find out? I couldn't find any obit. Just thought I'd check.[/QUOTE]In some countries and I thought they were starting it here as well, you can get free narcan.
If it is really is free and they don't take an I'd or anything it might not be a bad idea to carry it with you.
You could save a life either within the hobby or outside as well. A lot of fentanyl is out there.
Lots of overdoses and deaths for kids on spring break this year.
Think China is trying to get rid of us?
An addict is going to remain an addict until they want to make a change. If they were not getting.
Money from you, it would be another guy, another crime (taking a drill to gas tanks is popular now).
With the narcan you can at least make a positive affect.
[QUOTE=TJ321;5825491]Please do not post her obit publicly. Allow her some dignity.[/QUOTE]Of Course. I won't publish that.
[QUOTE=Free34;5825820]In some countries and I thought they were starting it here as well, you can get free narcan.
If it is really is free and they don't take an I'd or anything it might not be a bad idea to carry it with you.
You could save a life either within the hobby or outside as well. A lot of fentanyl is out there.
Lots of overdoses and deaths for kids on spring break this year.
Think China is trying to get rid of us?
An addict is going to remain an addict until they want to make a change. If they were not getting.
Money from you, it would be another guy, another crime (taking a drill to gas tanks is popular now).
With the narcan you can at least make a positive affect.[/QUOTE]Bailey may not have OD'd. I knew her pretty well (yes, of course her real name / etc). She did have some underlying health conditions (heart, liver, kidneys) and I have verified that with another member as well as another provider who knew her. Did she do drugs? I would say yes. But she actually seemed to be going down a better path in the past few months (since the BF was on a state vacay) and her skin was clearing up very nicely this winter. Maybe she was trying to clean herself up. Again, sad.
[QUOTE=WiDaddy;5825847]Bailey may not have OD'd. I knew her pretty well (yes, of course her real name / etc). She did have some underlying health conditions (heart, liver, kidneys) and I have verified that with another member as well as another provider who knew her. Did she do drugs? I would say yes. But she actually seemed to be going down a better path in the past few months (since the BF was on a state vacay) and her skin was clearing up very nicely this winter. Maybe she was trying to clean herself up. Again, sad.[/QUOTE]The saddest part is that it is just an automated obituary posted based on death records. No family written obituary, no picture, no memorial service. She looks to have been on her own.
[QUOTE=WiDaddy;5825847]Bailey may not have OD'd. I knew her pretty well (yes, of course her real name / etc). She did have some underlying health conditions (heart, liver, kidneys) and I have verified that with another member as well as another provider who knew her. Did she do drugs? I would say yes. But she actually seemed to be going down a better path in the past few months (since the BF was on a state vacay) and her skin was clearing up very nicely this winter. Maybe she was trying to clean herself up. Again, sad.[/QUOTE]I was also questioning whether it was an overdose since her last post was February 21, and she passed on March 10. She usually posted at least every few days or so. With such a big gap, it made me wonder if that would be possible with an overdose. It really doesn't matter, its tragic either way. I haven't seen her for a while, but I'll always remember her as one of my all time favorites, more for who she was rather than what she did for me.
OK, we get it. The girl passed away. Admin, please move that to another thread. That's not why we're here in this thread. Did drugs or didn't do drugs. It has nothing to do with escort reports.
[QUOTE=TJ321;5826079]OK, we get it. The girl passed away. Admin, please move that to another thread. That's not why we're here in this thread. Did drugs or didn't do drugs. It has nothing to do with escort reports.[/QUOTE]If you have something else to share go ahead, quite a few of us knew this girl.
[QUOTE=TJ321;5826079]OK, we get it. The girl passed away. Admin, please move that to another thread. That's not why we're here in this thread. Did drugs or didn't do drugs. It has nothing to do with escort reports.[/QUOTE]Is this the usasexguide equivalent of "I want to speak to the manager?
[QUOTE=IronMan74;5825896]The saddest part is that it is just an automated obituary posted based on death records. No family written obituary, no picture, no memorial service. She looks to have been on her own.[/QUOTE]Quite typical in her profession, and yes it's very sad.
Hi,
Just curious if anyone has tried her out. Thanks.
[URL]https://madison.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/exotic/a-breath-of-fresh-air-the-exp/612624081008[/URL]
[QUOTE=IronMan74;5826274]Is this the usasexguide equivalent of "I want to speak to the manager?[/QUOTE]Take it however you like. Hopefully at some point I don't meet some unfortunate fate only to have mongers on here passing around my obituary like some sort of car magazine. You do you though.
[QUOTE=TJ321;5826927]Take it however you like. Hopefully at some point I don't meet some unfortunate fate only to have mongers on here passing around my obituary like some sort of car magazine. You do you though.[/QUOTE]People grieve in their own way. I don't judge. For some of the younger guys here, this might be one of their first death experiences. And someone they had sex with! That can be a bit tough.
[QUOTE=TJ321;5826079]OK, we get it. The girl passed away. Admin, please move that to another thread. That's not why we're here in this thread. Did drugs or didn't do drugs. It has nothing to do with escort reports.[/QUOTE]IMO, it has A LOT to do with escort reports. A popular local girl is gone and the reality of "the life" hits home even for those that didn't know her personally. The girls are human beings and deserve some level of compassion. Death reminds us of our own mortality, which can be troubling.
[QUOTE=IronMan74;5826274]Is this the usasexguide equivalent of "I want to speak to the manager?[/QUOTE]Sad she died but do you guys really think she gave a crap for any of her John's? I doubt it very much. The John's are just her phone bill, her car payment, one more night in the motel, her food, etc.
[QUOTE=JoeMomma1954;5827972]Sad she died but do you guys really think she gave a crap for any of her John's? I doubt it very much. The John's are just her phone bill, her car payment, one more night in the motel, her food, etc.[/QUOTE]Of course she doesn't care about her John's. Does it matter? I never even saw her but it is still sad for a young person to die.
[QUOTE=MadisonMonger;5826837]Hi,
Just curious if anyone has tried her out. Thanks.
[URL]https://madison.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/exotic/a-breath-of-fresh-air-the-exp/612624081008[/URL][/QUOTE]She sure has been posting a lot, and the fact that her face is covered suggests that the photos are likely real as opposed to random pics copied from a porn site. However, the fact that she wants demands pics from us for verification (while not providing the same), only does outcall (with us paying for uber / lyft), and only offers oral with no fs makes me say "next. ".
[QUOTE=JoeMomma1954;5827972]Sad she died but do you guys really think she gave a crap for any of her John's? I doubt it very much. The John's are just her phone bill, her car payment, one more night in the motel, her food, etc.[/QUOTE]I'll say this, apart from Asian Mia, Bailey was the only other chick in Madison I wanted to take a shot at. I was never able to connect though. It's a damned wasteland up there. I live in Janesville and it's even worse here. Geisha House or the local rub and tug parlor is the only choices at this point.
I am seeing this for the first time. I think Bailey was a sweet girl. I am so sad to hear she has passed. I had spoken to her a little during our time together and it did sound like she had lived a tough life. She was around a long time and many of us knew her as more than just a provider. I think that says a lot about who she was. I always had a gift for her. I wanted her to know she was special. She was a friend. She did care about those that got to know her. I will miss my friend, her tender heart and loving touch.
[QUOTE=Mfdvr;5829264]I am seeing this for the first time. I think Bailey was a sweet girl. I am so sad to hear she has passed. I had spoken to her a little during our time together and it did sound like she had lived a tough life. She was around a long time and many of us knew her as more than just a provider. I think that says a lot about who she was. I always had a gift for her. I wanted her to know she was special. She was a friend. She did care about those that got to know her. I will miss my friend, her tender heart and loving touch.[/QUOTE]Is this the same Bailey that used to have an apartment on the north side off of Troy drive? If so she was very nice. Very sad.
[QUOTE=Varanus;5828813]She sure has been posting a lot, and the fact that her face is covered suggests that the photos are likely real as opposed to random pics copied from a porn site. However, the fact that she wants demands pics from us for verification (while not providing the same), only does outcall (with us paying for uber / lyft), and only offers oral with no fs makes me say "next. ".[/QUOTE]She sent me a face pic. And I recognized her. She hasn't posted in a while, but she previously posted as Molly, Fire, and / or Saffire. She's cute enough. But very ghetto. Very coarse. Limited menu, no passion. Imagine a cross between a junk yard dog with lipstick and a dead fish. Except the lipstick's all rubbed off and she's watching the clock, waiting for you to get the fuck out before you've even set one foot in the door.
I would not recommend. LOL.
Also, she's only doing covered blow jobs due to a broken pelvis, apparently.
[QUOTE=JoeMomma1954;5827972]Sad she died but do you guys really think she gave a crap for any of her John's? I doubt it very much. The John's are just her phone bill, her car payment, one more night in the motel, her food, etc.[/QUOTE]This take is understandable. We tend to dehumanize ourselves through this activity. We feel entitled to satisfaction because we pay. That satisfaction is rarely obtained. The girls we see are far from capable of interacting with us like normal human beings. And they sure don't seem to like being our sex toys either. LOL.
But when one of them dies, it's pretty normal to express appreciation and sadness.
[URL]https://madison.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/exotic/in-out-247-new-in-town/373519817446[/URL]
Anyone hit this yet. Nothing odd came up on google from the photos or phone. She been advertising for awhile now.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Flagrant;5829812]This take is understandable. We tend to dehumanize ourselves through this activity. We feel entitled to satisfaction because we pay. That satisfaction is rarely obtained. The girls we see are far from capable of interacting with us like normal human beings. And they sure don't seem to like being our sex toys either. LOL.
But when one of them dies, it's pretty normal to express appreciation and sadness.[/QUOTE]"Somewhat rarely obtaining satisfaction. Getting ripped off 50% of the time with first time contact with a provider. And then really what is it like 90% of the time it's just not even worth it. So when you hit that 10% window and you're persistent like most of us are here yeah we get a little bit fonder these corporeal entities that provide us with Pleasure. So yeah I suppose we can all get a little gossipy and wanting to know stuff when one of the 10 % moves on."
[QUOTE=Flagrant;5829812]This take is understandable. We tend to dehumanize ourselves through this activity. We feel entitled to satisfaction because we pay. That satisfaction is rarely obtained. The girls we see are far from capable of interacting with us like normal human beings. And they sure don't seem to like being our sex toys either. LOL.
But when one of them dies, it's pretty normal to express appreciation and sadness.[/QUOTE]In the past, there have been girls I've seen regularly enough to establish a real rapport with. No illusions on either side, but we genuinely liked one another's company in the same way you might be friendly with anyone else in a commercial relationship (for instance, there's no reason you and your plumber can't be buddies). The girls were low volume and had legitimate day jobs. Baristas, clerical work etc. The key is that the girls weren't in the game to support an all-consuming drug habit and so had their act together. It's addiction rather than prostitution per se that dehumanizes them and by extension their clients.
I can't imagine having any kind of friendship or human rapport with the typical drug-addled STG gal. Most addicts would stab their own mother to death for their next fix if that's what it takes, so it's asking too much for human interaction with strangers like us.
I never saw Bailey, but I get the impression from reading people's posts that some of the guys here were her regulars and were on good terms with her even off the clock, so I can see why they'd be saddened at her loss, especially if she started out like the first type I describe and wound up like the second type.
[QUOTE=Flagrant;5829747]She sent me a face pic. And I recognized her. She hasn't posted in a while, but she previously posted as Molly, Fire, and / or Saffire. She's cute enough. But very ghetto. Very coarse. Limited menu, no passion. Imagine a cross between a junk yard dog with lipstick and a dead fish. Except the lipstick's all rubbed off and she's watching the clock, waiting for you to get the fuck out before you've even set one foot in the door.
I would not recommend. LOL.
Also, she's only doing covered blow jobs due to a broken pelvis, apparently.[/QUOTE]Thank you for confirming what I suspected would be the case. Another one to avoid.
Anyone have a review on all the Asian ads posted on STG?? Are they real or any good?
[QUOTE=Varanus;5830276]
I can't imagine having any kind of friendship or human rapport with the typical drug-addled STG gal. Most addicts would stab their own mother to death for their next fix if that's what it takes, so it's asking too much for human interaction with strangers like us.
[/QUOTE]I apologize in advance, but I'm going to lay some bleeding heart lefty truth out here, which some of you won't like. As long as we're "humanizing" sex workers, maybe recognize that somebody who would "stab their own mother to death for their next fix" has a serious mental health condition, which the professionals who actual know something about substance abuse have understood for a long time. Many of you guys, like much of the general public, think of addiction as a moral failing, which is understandable since that's how it's been portrayed for centuries. It is exactly as much a moral failing as schizophrenia is. Both of those conditions make it hard to hold a regular job, so people turn to other ways of not starving or getting sick from withdrawal. A lot of those ways are illegal, which is why our prison are full of people who are severely mentally ill. When you say "I can't imagine having any kind of friendship or human rapport with the typical drug-addled STG gal," it makes me sad. It's very easy for me to imagine, because I have had plenty of human rapport with people who have severe substance use disorders. They just happened to have a better support system around them so that they didn't have to resort to survival sex. Personally, I don't want to exploit anybody's mental illness, so I try my best to avoid sex workers who are addicted to drugs. That means I _mostly_ avoid STG. I did actually meet Bailey once not all that long ago, and she did not strike me as a provider in that category. She seemed to have her shit together. But it's very hard to know for sure and I'm not an expert at detecting subtle signs of addiction, and some people are very good at concealing their problem. And unless somebody has inside info that they haven't revealed here, we have no idea if that's how she died, just jumping to conclusions based on her line of work.
[QUOTE=Sanctimonious6;5830923]I apologize in advance, but I'm going to lay some bleeding heart lefty truth out here, which some of you won't like. As long as we're "humanizing" sex workers, maybe recognize that somebody who would "stab their own mother to death for their next fix" has a serious mental health condition, which the professionals who actual know something about substance abuse have understood for a long time. Many of you guys, like much of the general public, think of addiction as a moral failing, which is understandable since that's how it's been portrayed for centuries. It is exactly as much a moral failing as schizophrenia is. Both of those conditions make it hard to hold a regular job, so people turn to other ways of not starving or getting sick from withdrawal. A lot of those ways are illegal, which is why our prison are full of people who are severely mentally ill. When you say "I can't imagine having any kind of friendship or human rapport with the typical drug-addled STG gal," it makes me sad. It's very easy for me to imagine, because I have had plenty of human rapport with people who have severe substance use disorders. They just happened to have a better support system around them so that they didn't have to resort to survival sex. Personally, I don't want to exploit anybody's mental illness, so I try my best to avoid sex workers who are addicted to drugs. That means I _mostly_ avoid STG. I did actually meet Bailey once not all that long ago, and she did not strike me as a provider in that category. She seemed to have her shit together. But it's very hard to know for sure and I'm not an expert at detecting subtle signs of addiction, and some people are very good at concealing their problem. And unless somebody has inside info that they haven't revealed here, we have no idea if that's how she died, just jumping to conclusions based on her line of work.[/QUOTE]" Not An OD. But yes caused by drug use. Organ failure cause By sepsis. Sepsis if not caught immediately can kill an individual within 12 hours. The literally curdles. (clotting disorder) DIC triggered by infection in the blood which in turn creates a flood of Micro clots which block first the smallest vessels (capillaries) of all the organs effectively suffocating them due to having the flow of o2 rich blood stopped and the removal of c02 stopped. I'm sure it was a miserable death feeling sick as a dog and Ignoring it and hoping she would feel better soon but in fact signed her own death certificate by not seeking medical intervention early on. Someone actually called an ambulance after being on the phone with her. She was dumbfounded and Disoriented. By this time it was too late. Needle exchanges are counseling And education addicts on the use of narcan and being safer by the buddy system when using but do not seem to emphasize the danger of blood infection and the sure fire signs of it as well as it's rapid expedience in killing an individual. Addicts and moralizing. Once in full swing it is safe to say that one's ability to self Care and resistance to the obsession to continue the behaviors at any cost is almost non existent. This is mental illness at this point. She lost her buddy to state vacation not too long ago and was winging it. She was needing to be solo because the vultures in sheeps clothing were hanging around causing stress which left her With no back up. Those "Handlers" that most of us label without verification are often using buddies / companions. Part of the safety net of an addict. Also true companionship for a Working girl / addict is scarce logistically due to the lifestyle. They will usually have a buddy. That buddy provides a sense of connection and security. Consider helping. Whatever that can manifest as it is a good thing. ".