"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[QUOTE=SomeGuy3;6230891]I've been on seeking for over a year and last month my account was put on hold pending verification. I don't think it's because of anything I said because I stay very generic until we get offsite. I removed the app and I'm probably done with SA.

Has anyone had this experience?

What could have caused this after a year paying for the site?

Has anyone done this verification?[/QUOTE]I did not do the verification, but this is the process copied from a seeking email.

To do so on your browser:

1. Log into your account.

2. Click on 'Get Verified'.

3. Select the 'Start'.

4. You'll have the option to continue the process on your mobile device (by scanning the QR code) or continuing on your browser.

5. Submit the front of your I'd.

6. Submit the back of your I'd (If you are submitting a passport, scan the front of your passport twice).

7. Take a selfie and then follow the rest of the prompts to complete your submission.

If you decide to just open a new account, use a new method of payment because they will cross reference and suspend the new account.

Few things to add:

Most gift cards (like Vanilla) will not work if used for a recurring subscription so only use them for a one-time fee.

Retail vanilla card only allows you to set a PIN online, not a billing zip code.

A vanilla account lets you buy virtual vanilla cards online but does not seem to allow you to add a retail purchased (physical) card to the vanilla account or a billing zip code to a retail card.

If you add a new seeking account, use a new payment method because seeking will cross reference payment methods and ban new account.

So. I'm not an expert, I learned this over a past few frustrating daysI'm going to use a Publix card as suggested below.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6223602]Ok, I appreciate those who helped me in the past with getting back on Seeking, after getting banned, so I thought I would write a short guide for others. (And even if you aren't banned, there are some tips about what prepaid cards seem to work to renew subscriptions).

1. Make a brand new Seeking account, with all new information. I usually just do this at home, behind a VPN, and with a new Proton email address. But you could use public wifi if you preferred. Sometimes it will insta-ban that newly created account, and other times it will let you proceed. But I would assume that gmail, or similar, is probably even more likely to work. (Don't use your regular naked home IP address, as that's just careless and ill advised).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JoyDrop;6236233]

The girls I look for and wind up dating are going through a phase in life where they're either focused on finishing school or starting their career and they're tired of the shit they have to deal with from guys their own age. They want an older man who treats them with respect, doesn't make them pay for dinner or drinks and knows how to keep them cumming over and over. If you get a good one she'll be mature enough to accept it for exactly what it is and give you the ride of your life for a year or two until she gets it out of her system and decides she's ready to find someone (else) to settle down with.

I've been fortunate enough to have done this several times; the girl I've been seeing for about a year now is an extraordinarily sweet, pretty 26 year old that falls squarely into the description above. She's a college grad, working hard to establish her career and is doing pretty well for herself. She doesn't want to even think about looking for a husband until she's 30. But she does want a good man in her life to keep her physically satisfied. We're in an exclusive relationship and we're both pretty happy about it. She does consider herself my girlfriend, and to be completely honest I'm good with that. She doesn't just respect my boundaries for our relationship, she embraces them. It's truly 100% drama free. But most importantly, she puts it on me hard every time I see her and acts like I'm doing *her* a favor. It's really hard to explain just how far she goes out of her way to accommodate all of my needs and make sure I'm always completely fulfilled ... it's almost too good to be true. I get all I can handle (and then some) and it doesn't cost me a dime outside of the dinners we share together. It's really tough to complain.[/QUOTE]

26 is right about the age that I find this mindset tends to emerge in them. I've actually come to prefer the 18-25 year old range, because I can be fairly sure they aren't going to start dropping hints that they want to be my sugar-free girlfriend after the second fuck session. 26 or over and it seems to happen more often than it doesn't. I understand why some are in search of that, because once they've decided they want that it can lead to some amazing sugar-free sex, but I find there are side effects that occur when their mind is in "girl friend mode". Like they start wanting to know too much about me, they text constantly and otherwise become clingy, etc. I'm really only in it for the sex and fun, I don't need the relationship responsibilities. For that reason I go a bit younger. It still happens to some extent if they are over 21, but I haven't had much problems with clingy behavior in the 18-20 age range.

[QUOTE=SolarFun;6236538]Few things to add:

Most gift cards (like Vanilla) will not work if used for a recurring subscription so only use them for a one-time fee.

Retail vanilla card only allows you to set a PIN online, not a billing zip code.

A vanilla account lets you buy virtual vanilla cards online but does not seem to allow you to add a retail purchased (physical) card to the vanilla account or a billing zip code to a retail card.

If you add a new seeking account, use a new payment method because seeking will cross reference payment methods and ban new account.

So. I'm not an expert, I learned this over a past few frustrating daysI'm going to use a Publix card as suggested below.[/QUOTE]You definitely got it right when you said you aren't an expert. Track down my posts in the past month on this topic. Use a OneVanilla prepaid debit card. Those can be hard to locate. They are in packaging w / a vertical window. You must Phone in to the 800# to set a zip code for the card so it can be "used for pay at the pump and online purchases". Once you do that, it will work seamlessly first time for online purchase of membership on seeking. I only ever get a month at a time. No reason to do more.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;6236637]26 is right about the age that I find this mindset tends to emerge in them. I've actually come to prefer the 18-25 year old range, because I can be fairly sure they aren't going to start dropping hints that they want to be my sugar-free girlfriend after the second fuck session. 26 or over and it seems to happen more often than it doesn't. I understand why some are in search of that, because once they've decided they want that it can lead to some amazing sugar-free sex, but I find there are side effects that occur when their mind is in "girl friend mode". Like they start wanting to know too much about me, they text constantly and otherwise become clingy, etc. I'm really only in it for the sex and fun, I don't need the relationship responsibilities. For that reason I go a bit younger. It still happens to some extent if they are over 21, but I haven't had much problems with clingy behavior in the 18-20 age range.[/QUOTE]Funnily enough I have had the opposite experience. I find 26+ they start getting a bit pro about it. For some unknown reason my magic age spot is 23 LOL. This year I have had at least three 23 year olds who have ended up dating me fairly normally, sugar free or "light" sugar (just nice dinners, events, little help with the odd bill etc). I think I may be getting into a relationship with one of them.

[QUOTE=SeekingRdu;6236829]Funnily enough I have had the opposite experience. I find 26+ they start getting a bit pro about it. For some unknown reason my magic age spot is 23 LOL. This year I have had at least three 23 year olds who have ended up dating me fairly normally, sugar free or "light" sugar (just nice dinners, events, little help with the odd bill etc). I think I may be getting into a relationship with one of them.[/QUOTE]I agree that 23-ish is somewhat of a "magic spot", in terms of the right combination of being interested enough in a "real" relationship such that they aren't focused on money, but not yet into the 26+ category where they are already exhibiting signs of "OMG my clock is ticking I'm almost 30" etc.

But I guess I was trying to convey that 26+ becomes my "be careful" threshold in terms of going out of my way to be sure I'm not getting involved in a clingy / drama situation where she is expecting me to be a boyfriend.

I don't generally equate 26+ with necessarily becoming more pro -- I've certainly known the types that gravitate in that direction but I think in general something about my sugar workflow seems to be good at avoiding the pro-minded or UTR escort types. But yes in general, if they are of that type then it does get worse with age.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;6236869]I agree that 23-ish is somewhat of a "magic spot", in terms of the right combination of being interested enough in a "real" relationship such that they aren't focused on money, but not yet into the 26+ category where they are already exhibiting signs of "OMG my clock is ticking I'm almost 30" etc.

But I guess I was trying to convey that 26+ becomes my "be careful" threshold in terms of going out of my way to be sure I'm not getting involved in a clingy / drama situation where she is expecting me to be a boyfriend.

I don't generally equate 26+ with necessarily becoming more pro -- I've certainly known the types that gravitate in that direction but I think in general something about my sugar workflow seems to be good at avoiding the pro-minded or UTR escort types. But yes in general, if they are of that type then it does get worse with age.[/QUOTE]That all makes a lot of sense.

My MO is a little different. I am single, and enjoy dating younger chicks. So if they end up wanting it to be more of regular relationship, and I am into them, then I am generally 100% down with that. My challenge in my home turf is most of the chicks these days tend to be more pro about it all.

[QUOTE=SeekingRdu;6236913]That all makes a lot of sense.

My MO is a little different. I am single, and enjoy dating younger chicks. So if they end up wanting it to be more of regular relationship, and I am into them, then I am generally 100% down with that. My challenge in my home turf is most of the chicks these days tend to be more pro about it all.[/QUOTE]I can relate to that. To some extent I do enjoy the dating aspect, but I mean dating literally; in other words I enjoy taking them out for drinks / music / food etc and just being in the presence of crowds while having a stunner that's approx 1/3 my age on my arm etc. But by no means am I interested in any sort of real or long-term relationship with any SB. This is simply because I already have a LTR that meets all of my relationship needs with the exception of my need for sex on the side. I have met a few that were really special, and I enjoyed all aspects of their personality and company so much that I thought to myself "if I didn't already have someone, I would probably not be able to send this one away".

I actually think that the fact that I am in a LTR and not interested in anything but superficial fun is a big part of the reason so many of these girls start trying to reel me in as a boyfriend. Women can sense when a man is not emotionally available and there is something in their nature that makes them want what they can't have -- their desire for the guy's attention becomes amplified, as does their desire to please. The hot ones, in particular, have such a high opinion of themselves and are so used to a relentless onslaught of male attention and clingy dudes, that when they meet a guy who seems to already have his needs met, they start trying to find ways to be needed.

So, as a strategy for SDs in general, I can definitely recommend the idea of having some relationship (gf, wife whatever) where the heart goes, keeps it out of the sugar equation entirely, and separates it from how your dollars are spent. But then, continue to sugar in a way that doesn't jeopardize the relationship. This not only fends off emotionally charged expenditures, but as mentioned invokes that magnetism that will have SBs competing for attention and offering lots of free pussy, sometimes on the first or second date. I've had some that tried to rope me into a "valid sugarless dating situation" in the first hour of the first date, before the FC even happened.

I said "as a strategy" even though that's not the reason I'm in an LTR, I'm just playing the hand I was dealt so to speak. But if something ever happened to my relationship, I would probably look for ways to get back into that position.

I think to some extent, unless SBs are really in it strictly as an escorting mechanism, by default they are likely to put up a wall and be a bit more pro / UTR by default if they sense a guy is single, emotionally available, and interested in more than sex from her. They may relax that over time once they see that the guy isn't clingy or needy. I do the exact same thing with someone new. I've been accused of having a "player mentality" because of this (I guess in the sugar scene that's the male personality equivalent of UTR / pro), in other words not giving a fuck enough in the beginning until I know the girl is cool and will not hound me relentlessly and text me all day every day.

Oliver is spot-on with this analysis. I read so many posts by guys who can't seem to find success in the bowl. If you can't find it, you really need to take a look at yourself, your goals and your approach because You are the one thing in common with all your failures. Insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, right?

I cruise a lot of the SB boards between Richmond and Jacksonville, and Atlanta has certainly become the go-to place for developing and honing your strategies. And I can certainly agree with the "keep them at arm's length" philosophy. If you don't want a traditional relationship, you Must keep them guessing and working for it. Once they decide you're hooked, their efforts to please begin to drop off. When that happens, don't be afraid to cut it off and move on. You found her, you'll find another.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;6238054]I can relate to that. To some extent I do enjoy the dating aspect, but I mean dating literally; in other words I enjoy taking them out for drinks / music / food etc. and just being in the presence of crowds while having a stunner that's approx 1/3 my age on my arm etc. But by no means am I interested in any sort of real or long-term relationship with any SB. This is simply because I already have a LTR that meets all of my relationship needs with the exception of my need for sex on the side. I have met a few that were really special, and I enjoyed all aspects of their personality and company so much that I thought to myself "if I didn't already have someone, I would probably not be able to send this one away".

I actually think that the fact that I am in a LTR and not interested in anything but superficial fun is a big part of the reason so many of these girls start trying to reel me in as a boyfriend. Women can sense when a man is not emotionally available and there is something in their nature that makes them want what they can't have -- their desire for the guy's attention becomes amplified, as does their desire to please. The hot ones, in particular, have such a high opinion of themselves and are so used to a relentless onslaught of male attention and clingy dudes, that when they meet a guy who seems to already have his needs met, they start trying to find ways to be needed.

So, as a strategy for SDs in general, I can definitely recommend the idea of having some relationship (gf, wife whatever) where the heart goes, keeps it out of the sugar equation entirely, and separates it from how your dollars are spent. But then, continue to sugar in a way that doesn't jeopardize the relationship. This not only fends off emotionally charged expenditures, but as mentioned invokes that magnetism that will have SBs competing for attention and offering lots of free pussy, sometimes on the first or second date. I've had some that tried to rope me into a "valid sugarless dating situation" in the first hour of the first date, before the FC even happened.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hal1957;6238109]Oliver is spot-on with this analysis. I read so many posts by guys who can't seem to find success in the bowl. If you can't find it, you really need to take a look at yourself, your goals and your approach because You are the one thing in common with all your failures. Insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, right?
[/QUOTE]I think there are a number of reasons guys have bad experiences or low success rates in the bowl. Here we probably read about them more simply because the forum is geared toward the escort scene, and if a guy goes into the sugar lifestyle as an alternative to escorts, they are probably undermining their own success and would be better of just sticking to escorts. Sugaring, when done optimally, really is different than the simple transactional matter of paying for sex. The good SBs will always be able to detect the guys that haven't figured that out and will actively avoid them, thus the disappointment we sometimes read about here.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;6238367]I think there are a number of reasons guys have bad experiences or low success rates in the bowl. Here we probably read about them more simply because the forum is geared toward the escort scene, and if a guy goes into the sugar lifestyle as an alternative to escorts, they are probably undermining their own success and would be better of just sticking to escorts. Sugaring, when done optimally, really is different than the simple transactional matter of paying for sex. The good SBs will always be able to detect the guys that haven't figured that out and will actively avoid them, thus the disappointment we sometimes read about here.[/QUOTE]If you treat the girls like a mistress you will have a lot of success in the bowl, sugaring is what the early 20th century mistress has turned into. Successful men would have a mitress who they saw a couple of times of week back then it was widely accepted.

A lot of guys who are knew to sugaring treat it like an escort experience which it isn't.

[QUOTE=SeekingHead;6238475]If you treat the girls like a mistress you will have a lot of success in the bowl, sugaring is what the early 20th century mistress has turned into. Successful men would have a mitress who they saw a couple of times of week back then it was widely accepted.

A lot of guys who are knew to sugaring treat it like an escort experience which it isn't.[/QUOTE]In defense of those guys treating it like an escort experience, there are a lot of escorts in the bowl too. One of the time sinks on Seeking for me is trying to sort through those who are by the hour hos and those that are more like a mistress. I've had some incredible long term SBs, so it's worth the effort, but it definitely takes time and patience.

[QUOTE=Hal1957;6238109]Oliver is spot-on with this analysis. I read so many posts by guys who can't seem to find success in the bowl. If you can't find it, you really need to take a look at yourself, your goals and your approach because You are the one thing in common with all your failures. Insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, right?

I cruise a lot of the SB boards between Richmond and Jacksonville, and Atlanta has certainly become the go-to place for developing and honing your strategies. And I can certainly agree with the "keep them at arm's length" philosophy. If you don't want a traditional relationship, you Must keep them guessing and working for it. Once they decide you're hooked, their efforts to please begin to drop off. When that happens, don't be afraid to cut it off and move on. You found her, you'll find another.[/QUOTE]I will throw in my 2 cents. The experience some of you guys are reporting, it I think is most available to dudes in their 40's. I am past Medicare eligibility, there isn't a lot of opportunity for that for me. However, I do have experience w / long term SBs who were getting minimal sugar and we really had great relationships, intellectually, emotionally, and physically, we just never even got close to BF / GF thing. That includes a 40's MILF and a 20's coed. I have a SO.

The Richmond thread has been the de facto national sugaring thread for some time, the 6+ years I've been on this board. If Atlanta wants to take over that would be OK. It really is helpful to have a central place to go to for how-tos about all aspects of this lifestyle.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6238487]In defense of those guys treating it like an escort experience, there are a lot of escorts in the bowl too. One of the time sinks on Seeking for me is trying to sort through those who are by the hour hos and those that are more like a mistress. I've had some incredible long term SBs, so it's worth the effort, but it definitely takes time and patience.[/QUOTE]The same is true about any place that women hang go with the intention (or willingness) to meet guys. It includes bars, "regular" online dating sites, strip clubs, etc.

In my bar hopping days, it was not unusual to hit on a girl and then have her drop a hint that pay for play was available. Sometimes I was able to turn it into free sex, sometimes not. Get a little alcohol down any girl and the line between a hooker and a civilian can get quite blurred. Women pursue sex for the sake of the sexual experience sometimes, but the hot ones know that they can get that need easily met plus some money, and many of them figure why not do so.

But the thing is with Seeking, the site itself is actively taking measures to stomp out escort activity. So, despite the fact they are there, it's ultimately a pretty stupid place for either an escort or a john to be, since there are so many other ways to get what they both want. I say the same thing about pic sellers and buyers. For the love of fuck they have dedicated specialty sites for that. Use them.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6238487]In defense of those guys treating it like an escort experience, there are a lot of escorts in the bowl too..[/QUOTE]It is a full spectrum, on the site, that runs from stone cold hookers, at one extreme, to women who are interested in platonic dating, on the other. I actually talked to one like that who hadn't had sex in 27 years and was only on the site to find male friends. The rest of the girls are at different levels, between those two extremes.

I sometimes treat it like an escort experience, and other times I (somewhat foolishly) treat it like quasi-romantic dating. And I have even done both in the same day, with two different girls.

Generally, the women are on the site for the money, and most of them enjoy sex, so that is just a somewhat enjoyable way to get paid. And if they have more fun on a date than they expect, then that's just a bonus.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6238891]It is a full spectrum, on the site, that runs from stone cold hookers, at one extreme, to women who are interested in platonic dating, on the other. I actually talked to one like that who hadn't had sex in 27 years and was only on the site to find male friends. The rest of the girls are at different levels, between those two extremes.

I sometimes treat it like an escort experience, and other times I (somewhat foolishly) treat it like quasi-romantic dating. And I have even done both in the same day, with two different girls.

Generally, the women are on the site for the money, and most of them enjoy sex, so that is just a somewhat enjoyable way to get paid. And if they have more fun on a date than they expect, then that's just a bonus.[/QUOTE]My basic modus operandi is to avoid escorts as much as possible, but sometimes the line is too blurry to navigate, and at the end of the day I just want to get laid. My policy when I do need to operate in the grey area is that if they behave like a hooker, I am going to treat them as such and likewise if they behave as a daddy's girl they get an entirely different type of treatment from me.

Case in point, I once met a young hottie who I would categorize as a sugar baby and not escort (at least not yet), but she had been in the scene for nearly a couple of years, so she wasn't new to the game -- and I got the impression she was committed to the sugar lifestyle rather than regular dating. In other words, she had given up on dating in her age bracket and was strictly going for older high income guys.

Via texting, I explained my offering in terms of an ongoing arrangement and we texted back and forth a few times before setting up a meet. She started negotiating a higher rate and was being fairly stubborn about it, it was late in the evening, I was horny, and she was extremely hot so I agreed a middle ground between her terms and mine which was $100 more than my standard offering for per-meet, but this was in an expensive market anyway so I thought no big deal. When she showed up, it became clear to me she did not fully understand the monthly amount I was originally offering (and what all was involved) and was more focused on getting a per-meet price. As if she was assuming I would never call her again, or maybe that I was somehow not to be trusted. She did not demand payment up front but seemed like she wouldn't be at ease until I gave her a reason to trust me, so I did something that I never do. I pulled out the cash first, and said "here, put that in your purse". I am against the practice of paying before the deed, but made this one exception. Once I did that, it was like I had turned off the stress switch, she became very comfortable around me.

But, by pacifying her with cash up front, it made her a hooker in my eyes. So as she is sitting there on the couch, starting to kind of cuddle and talking about whatever she felt like talking about, I just unzipped my pants, pulled out my cock with one hand and pulled her head down into my lap with the other hand, stuffing her mouth so I didn't have to listen to any more talk. I then proceeded to fuck her like the paid sex object she demanded to be, making sure I got my moneys worth. Came inside, didn't ask for permission. Wham bam thank you mam and you may go home now thanks and nice meeting. Never called her again. Beautiful girl and a nice fuck, but negotiating rates and paying up front is something hookers do, so that's not going to be a repeat situation for me.

This forum would be great if we went back to reviewing & recommending Sugar babies.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;6239477]My basic modus operandi is to avoid escorts as much as possible, but sometimes the line is too blurry to navigate, and at the end of the day I just want to get laid. My policy when I do need to operate in the grey area is that if they behave like a hooker, I am going to treat them as such and likewise if they behave as a daddy's girl they get an entirely different type of treatment from me.

Case in point, I once met a young hottie who I would categorize as a sugar baby and not escort (at least not yet), but she had been in the scene for nearly a couple of years, so she wasn't new to the game -- and I got the impression she was committed to the sugar lifestyle rather than regular dating. In other words, she had given up on dating in her age bracket and was strictly going for older high income guys.

Via texting, I explained my offering in terms of an ongoing arrangement and we texted back and forth a few times before setting up a meet. She started negotiating a higher rate and was being fairly stubborn about it, it was late in the evening, I was horny, and she was extremely hot so I agreed a middle ground between her terms and mine which was $100 more than my standard offering for per-meet, but this was in an expensive market anyway so I thought no big deal. When she showed up, it became clear to me she did not fully understand the monthly amount I was originally offering (and what all was involved) and was more focused on getting a per-meet price. As if she was assuming I would never call her again, or maybe that I was somehow not to be trusted. She did not demand payment up front but seemed like she wouldn't be at ease until I gave her a reason to trust me, so I did something that I never do. I pulled out the cash first, and said "here, put that in your purse". I am against the practice of paying before the deed, but made this one exception. Once I did that, it was like I had turned off the stress switch, she became very comfortable around me.

But, by pacifying her with cash up front, it made her a hooker in my eyes. So as she is sitting there on the couch, starting to kind of cuddle and talking about whatever she felt like talking about, I just unzipped my pants, pulled out my cock with one hand and pulled her head down into my lap with the other hand, stuffing her mouth so I didn't have to listen to any more talk. I then proceeded to fuck her like the paid sex object she demanded to be, making sure I got my moneys worth. Came inside, didn't ask for permission. Wham bam thank you mam and you may go home now thanks and nice meeting. Never called her again. Beautiful girl and a nice fuck, but negotiating rates and paying up front is something hookers do, so that's not going to be a repeat situation for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ReffingMan94;6239552]This forum would be great if we went back to reviewing & recommending Sugar babies.[/QUOTE]It would be even better if we could collectively gather the wherewithal to understand not everyone plays the game the same way. Some are here to exchange ideas and experiences, not review escorts. Real SBs choose who they fuck. If johns are making appointments with girls based on reviews, they are just customers to an escort. The only way I would post something about a specific girl and her profile on this forum is if I had a particularly bad experience and wanted to warn others, but so far that hasn't happened yet. If someone wants to review girls as commodities, however, fine with me and this is a reasonable place to do that. Its not my place to be a prick and presume to tell them what to do.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;6239623]It would be even better if we could collectively gather the wherewithal to understand not everyone plays the game the same way. Some are here to exchange ideas and experiences, not review escorts. Real SBs choose who they fuck. If johns are making appointments with girls based on reviews, they are just customers to an escort. The only way I would post something about a specific girl and her profile on this forum is if I had a particularly bad experience and wanted to warn others, but so far that hasn't happened yet. If someone wants to review girls as commodities, however, fine with me and this is a reasonable place to do that. Its not my place to be a prick and presume to tell them what to do.[/QUOTE]I read it all and base who I see, and approach on all I've read, so thank from me for any and all info / suggestions.

[QUOTE=ReffingMan94;6239552]This forum would be great if we went back to reviewing & recommending Sugar babies.[/QUOTE]YK seeking is the only place I can find the relationship type I am looking for. Because that is what it is, for someone I am seeing, I am not going to pimp her out on this site. It is just completely anathema to how I relate to them. If you want to review escorts, there are different threads for that. I am not even from Atlanta, but I read this thread to get perspective and ideas, and to offer my own experience. I don't care a whit about some girl in Gwinnett who DTs.

She got mad that I couldn't meet her the same day.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d868bfcf-9d70-447a-b031-f9a26f7a1aa7[/URL]

Any info on them.

Bellas Play House.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d868bfcf-9d70-447a-b031-f9a26f7a1aa7[/URL]

[QUOTE=ReffingMan94;6239552]This forum would be great if we went back to reviewing & recommending Sugar babies.[/QUOTE]Alright, being as you're so eager to get this thread back on track, drop a review of your top 1 or 2 SB recommendations from the past 30-60 days. Don't forget to include profile links and / or pics. And no, reviews of obvious scammers / pic sellers don't count.

[QUOTE=BumbaCloth;6242073]Any info on them.

Bellas Play House.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d868bfcf-9d70-447a-b031-f9a26f7a1aa7[/URL][/QUOTE]You linked to Nezzy in both of your posts.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9...9-036c5aaeaa54[/URL]

Here's one a I saw earlier in the year when she was in Atlanta. Very fun, very kinky, just loves sex. Very much wants the "date experience" especially at first, so be prepared to do dinner / drinks first. She bounces between SC and Atlanta so keep an eye out and catch her next time she's in Atl.

Very submissive but doesn't give head on a first date, though still fucks bare. Will suck your cock like it's the cure to aging after the first date though LOL. She didn't host in Atlanta, so was a little higher than I recommend at 300 plus hotel. If she hosts though 300 is very worth it as she is the perfect little submissive sl ut. Toys, anal, BDSM, the works. Treat her well.

[QUOTE=BumbaCloth;6242071]She got mad that I couldn't meet her the same day.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d868bfcf-9d70-447a-b031-f9a26f7a1aa7[/URL][/QUOTE]She's been around for a while, this is like her third profile and right now she is desperate for money. I have been hitting her on and off for a couple years, 200 all bare but you probably could get it for less. I just don't want her anymore because she is aggravating me now and plus I'm just tired of her. Also she has lost weight from those pics she claims she only does weed and sometimes pills but I think its more than that, but she is good and definitely dtf.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6242118][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9...9-036c5aaeaa54[/URL]

[/QUOTE]You posted a bad link.

After talking to her it seems it's possibly a group of escorts traveling around or a complete scam. She said it was her and a few friends and the prices range based on which girl you go with. I asked for pics of all the friends and then google image searched them. A couple showed up on escort sites and one was on porn subreddit. I ignored her after that. She sent a message a couple days later saying they'd all be leaving town for the holiday soon.

[QUOTE=BumbaCloth;6242073]Any info on them.

Bellas Play House.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d868bfcf-9d70-447a-b031-f9a26f7a1aa7[/URL][/QUOTE]

I think the profile has been deleted.

[QUOTE=DArrow404;6242261]You posted a bad link.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BumbaCloth;6242071]She got mad that I couldn't meet her the same day.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d868bfcf-9d70-447a-b031-f9a26f7a1aa7[/URL][/QUOTE]I met with Arlena about three years ago. She would drive to me in Gwinnett for 100 $ a pop. BBBJ, BBFSCIP with multiple pops. Eventually, she needed money to pay rent and needed 600 $. At that point, I cut her off and moved on.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2f94c5d2-b0ec-4cd3-b077-046735b28655[/URL]

This profile uses one of the pics "Bella" sent me privately. A google image search of the profile pic had multiple hits on escort sites but it looks like they've taken down the ads now.

[QUOTE=DudeNextDoor;6242293]After talking to her it seems it's possibly a group of escorts traveling around or a complete scam. She said it was her and a few friends and the prices range based on which girl you go with. I asked for pics of all the friends and then google image searched them. A couple showed up on escort sites and one was on porn subreddit. I ignored her after that. She sent a message a couple days later saying they'd all be leaving town for the holiday soon.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DudeNextDoor;6242488]This profile uses one of the pics "Bella" sent me privately. A google image search of the profile pic had multiple hits on escort sites but it looks like they've taken down the ads now.[/QUOTE][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2f94c5d2-b0ec-4cd3-b077-046735b28655?_cf_ref=aHR0cDovL3d3dy51c2FzZXhndWlkZS5ubC8%3D[/URL]

She messaged me a few weeks ago and I wanted to definitely clap those cheeks for a few hours. She wanted 7 Benjamins for dinner to see if we had Chemistry but never mentioned doing the deed. I told her to stop wasting my time as I am a very busy Businessman. She later messaged me again apologizing and requesting 12 Benjamins for a 3 some with her friend but I declined as she seemed very shady. I got scammer vibes from her.

This is an active forum, curious if the market prices have deflated from the covid BS money printing days? The vibe I get and from my experience is supply and demand is getting back to normal, but would like some other data points besides my own.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;6239477]
But, by pacifying her with cash up front, it made her a hooker in my eyes. So as she is sitting there on the couch, starting to kind of cuddle and talking about whatever she felt like talking about, I just unzipped my pants, pulled out my cock with one hand and pulled her head down into my lap with the other hand, stuffing her mouth so I didn't have to listen to any more talk. I then proceeded to fuck her like the paid sex object she demanded to be, making sure I got my moneys worth. Came inside, didn't ask for permission. Wham bam thank you mam and you may go home now thanks and nice meeting. Never called her again. Beautiful girl and a nice fuck, but negotiating rates and paying up front is something hookers do, so that's not going to be a repeat situation for me.[/QUOTE]Excellent post and on point. I've paid upfront one time b / c she was that hot. I was mad about it but got my money's worth from the deed, and never saw her again either. Once you spend all the time and effort to get them back to your place, it's pretty much impossible to cancel trying to score, it's all up to them on if the situation reoccurs or not. Hookers I will never see twice.

[QUOTE=SeekingRdu;6236913]That all makes a lot of sense.

My MO is a little different. I am single, and enjoy dating younger chicks. So if they end up wanting it to be more of regular relationship, and I am into them, then I am generally 100% down with that. My challenge in my home turf is most of the chicks these days tend to be more pro about it all.[/QUOTE]I've been on SA for 6 years on and off, all throughout my 40's. I've never been able to cross over into vanilla dating when I tried. Once there is a monetary exchange for sex, it's impossible to just "flip a switch" and start vanilla dating any of these girl. In my mind it will never work, but the times I've tried, the girl wasn't interested either. For now if I'm looking for vanilla I just go to a vanilla site. SBs to me are just amateur prostitutes. Don't kid yourself. And that's fine, I use an all of the above approach. Vanilla dating takes too long to get laid so that's what SBs are for.

[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;6242726]I've been on SA for 6 years on and off, all throughout my 40's. I've never been able to cross over into vanilla dating when I tried. Once there is a monetary exchange for sex, it's impossible to just "flip a switch" and start vanilla dating any of these girl. In my mind it will never work, but the times I've tried, the girl wasn't interested either. For now if I'm looking for vanilla I just go to a vanilla site. SBs to me are just amateur prostitutes. Don't kid yourself. And that's fine, I use an all of the above approach. Vanilla dating takes too long to get laid so that's what SBs are for.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%. There might be some exceptions always. But above statement is the norm.

[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;6242726]I've been on SA for 6 years on and off, all throughout my 40's. I've never been able to cross over into vanilla dating when I tried. Once there is a monetary exchange for sex, it's impossible to just "flip a switch" and start vanilla dating any of these girl. In my mind it will never work, but the times I've tried, the girl wasn't interested either. For now if I'm looking for vanilla I just go to a vanilla site. SBs to me are just amateur prostitutes. Don't kid yourself. And that's fine, I use an all of the above approach. Vanilla dating takes too long to get laid so that's what SBs are for.[/QUOTE]Very well said. And time is money, so sugar dating is often less expensive than a vanilla dating woman who f*cks you for "free". But yes every time I try to do some regular dating, it always feels like there is something missing. I suppose we are just corrupted and spoiled too much, at this point. And as you point out, amateur prostitutes are the best prostitutes.

[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;6242726]I've been on SA for 6 years on and off, all throughout my 40's. I've never been able to cross over into vanilla dating when I tried. Once there is a monetary exchange for sex, it's impossible to just "flip a switch" and start vanilla dating any of these girl. In my mind it will never work, but the times I've tried, the girl wasn't interested either. For now if I'm looking for vanilla I just go to a vanilla site. SBs to me are just amateur prostitutes. Don't kid yourself. And that's fine, I use an all of the above approach. Vanilla dating takes too long to get laid so that's what SBs are for.[/QUOTE]Same here. Got on when I was 42 and still off and on (more on than off LOL) at 50.

Pretty much agree. The situations where I have had more of a vanilla or a purely vanilla relationship with seeking chicks is where they started out that way, with no $$$ exchange. My longest relationship post divorce was with someone from seeking 21 years my junior, and while she was "spoiled" and enjoyed an elevated lifestyle, at no point did I ever hand cash over to her. I can see it would be hard to make the jump from here is a few hundred bucks to fuck to hey be my serious gf.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6243067]Very well said. And time is money, so sugar dating is often less expensive than a vanilla dating woman who f*cks you for "free". But yes every time I try to do some regular dating, it always feels like there is something missing. I suppose we are just corrupted and spoiled too much, at this point. And as you point out, amateur prostitutes are the best prostitutes.[/QUOTE]Haha yep there have been some vanilla dating chicks this year I have spent a fortune on for not much end action. I mean there is more to it than just sex, but damn at the end of the day the cost of getting laid can get wild.

A lot of sense being talked on this board. Sorry to the guys who just want to hear about whose dtf LOL.