The Rat Trap

I remember a kid back in high school that sold lollipops and gum and other nick-nacks. The lollipop was the most popular item because it was the blowpop. Anyway, the kid was doing well, he was making decent change at. $35 a pop. Then he wanted to make more money and doubled down on the lollipops and started to sell it a $. 50 a pop. He made a little more money, but not enough to get the car he wanted. So he decided to raise the price to $1.00.

Guess what happened? He made less and noticed that there were less kids looking for him and it got to a point to where he was not making enough to buy more lollipops. So what did he do? It was pretty clear that the market had a ceiling. The kids have spoken and he lowered his price back down and eventually got enough money for a down payment on the car he wanted.

Economics 101 fellas. That kid was me! The kids at my school voted with their wallet.

Here's an article I found from the NY Times: [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/20/business/how-consumers-can-resist-companies-market-power.html[/URL].

"A basic rule of economics is that the price depends on how willing consumers are to buy something else.

The less consumers pay attention when they buy — and the more they just follow a set shopping pattern.

— the greater the market power possessed by the seller, and the more that seller can charge.

Modern companies know this very well, and they do what they can to improve their advantages over unwary consumers.

I've unwittingly been caught in consumer traps myself."

Who works for who?

[QUOTE=TrollingObt;4688968]If everyone moves on from the girl that has too high of a rate then it will come down.[/QUOTE]That is all I'm saying.

[QUOTE=JJFresh;4688919]

@C3 - 50% of the population aren't working hoes buddy! Your logic is very flawed! 👎 I think you took "ECON 101" on Sesame Street 😂[/QUOTE]Oh, contraire. I imagine a huge percentage of guys are in this hobby because their "free" pussy is either awful or cutting them off.

Look, using economic terms, your premise is we guys should, basically, form a union and demand lower prices. This works only if ALL members of the community join the union. Either that or if the providers would respect the union demands even for non-union members.

The best example of this is the recent demise of K-Mart. They died a slow death because they refused to listen to concerned citizens (the case of the PAC that called them out on being the largest seller of porn and them ignoring that and falling to the largest boycott in US history. And couple with the fact that they just couldn't compete with upstarts like Walmart).

I can only imagine that the members on this site make up a small fraction of guys that hire hookers in Central Florida. I base this on the reviews I read on other sites by guys not on here and the huge number of hookers that advertise but are never reviewed here. Don't get me wrong, I value the judgements of our members. I just wish their reviews were more broad, and that we saw more ladies and reviewed them. Face it, we have a very few members who even review and they tend to review the same girls over and over.

A real-world case. I recently offered up a UTR who was in need and agreed to see more guys to raise the cash she needed. I made one post and had about 85 guys ask for her contact info. Only about 60 made the cut because of review count and history. Of those, five contacted her and two made dates. If you are trying to form any sort of unity front (to form your union), that record sucks.

So, yeah, none of us wants to pay more than a certain amount for fuck a lady. But to exercise control over that, you would need to form a solid union and be willing for ALL in the union to strike.

With respect, sir, that is a dog that don't hunt.

Not exactly an economics term, but you get the point.

OK. All that said, what can we REALLY do? Set our own standards. Decide what you can afford and stick with it. Be willing to get what you get for the price. If your willingness to spend is $80, you aren't going to get most of the ladies reviewed here and advertise on the various sites to fuck you. But you will get some to, they are just not going to be top shelf. Each of us has to decide what we are willing to spend for what quality. And, if enough of us are willing to just walk away, then, yeah, we can have some effect of the price of things. But we cannot control it.

Play safe,

C3.

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;4687017]A decade? Wow! And you haven't learned anything? Either you refuse to agree or you just want to continue beating a dead horse. This will be my last response to this.

You compare a legal business to an "underground" business? You're comparing a legal profession (doctor) to an underground profession (escort). Let's go ahead and use your examples. If people aren't happy with a doctor's service or Tesla's cars, all they have to do is stop buying it, Right? And if enough people do that, what do you think will happen?

I'm sure you've heard of the term "shopping"? If you shop around for whatever product or service you want, you're going to shop for the "best bang for the buck" RIGHT? I know I do. Everyone "SHOPS" for the best deal. Do you think this can be applied to this hobby?

In this profession, these girls don't offer anything that you can't get for FREE. They offer pussy! That's it, just pussy! It's just pussy buddy. You're telling me that pussy is worth 100 qv? Or 250 hh? Is that what you're telling me? Tax free dollars I should add! Are you telling me you can't get pussy for free? Let me guess, you're going to come back with how hot a girl is and all that nonsense. If you're thinking this way, you're a loss cause, you cannot be helped.

A lot of these girls are making more than doctors and lawyers on an hourly basis (tax free)! I've never made $100 for 15-20 min of my time, let alone $80 hh. Have you? And in most cases when you arrive at their location, they're staying at some run down dump or cheap hotel and don't offer anything more when you get there! A lot of the times the service sucks! Seriously, do we need to continue this conversation?

The BIG problem is, you and all the others that want to pay ridiculous prices, put the pussy on a pedestal. You surrendered your manhood to the pussy and the girls that work in this business know it, so they WILL exploit you and all the others. Look at all the cash app scams and the guys that fall for it smh! Pussy IS NOT that important! Get that thru your (big) heads fellas. Some of you are acting like crackheads when it comes to pussy.

BTW, you shot your self in the foot with this comment, "Can we EFFECT prices? Absolutely. Can we DICTATE prices? Absolutely not. " You're making this too easy for me. LOL I'll let you chew on that for awhile.

SIN.[/QUOTE]Let's go with your model of selling lollipops. You picked a price, made sales and decided to increase the price. Sales continued, you made another decision to raise prices. Ultimately, the customer left decided the price was too high and sales dropped. You then used your accumulated knowledge to come up with a price that maximized profits. In other words, you initially corrected from too low a price, the consumer then made you correct from too high a price and you mutually determined the price. That's the argument I've been stating from the beginning. In the hobby, as the consumer, we're only part of the equation. The provider is also part of the equation. We correct from too high of a price, they correct from too low of a price and we mutually determine the price. So no, I didn't "shoot (my) self in the foot, that has been precisely my argument all along, yes, we effect the price, no we do not dictate the price. Just like with your lollipop sales, both sides determine the price point.

[QUOTE=JJFresh;4688909]Interesting that in that entire article, which clearly points out the power of the customer vs the business, you only acknowledge that one piece of sentence, but refuse to acknowledge the message. LOL And you have a way with twisting my words into things that I never said, like "we should set the price at $10"....?? I never said that. You're trying to battle with wits, and you're not very good at it. You have a very liberal nature about you. LOL.

As I have been saying for a long time, as well as others have said, IF WE ALL SAID NO THE RIDICULOUS RATES, IT WILL GO DOWN! That is all I have been saying. I challenge everyone to say NO to the GPS hoes for 30 days and see what happens!

And yes I pay for pussy sometimes. Duh! I don't deny that, BUT I don't put pussy on a pedestal and I don't always pay for it, but when I do, I don't give my business to the GPS hoes! And yes, I can get it for free!

Once last point, as pointed out in the article: "The bottom line is this: You can have all the OEMs and partners you want. You can satisfy their needs all you want. But if the product you manufacture doesn't add value, doesn't sell, or isn't something the end customer cares about, both you and your partners are going to go out of business. " "ECON 101" Smh

WHO WORKS FOR WHO? You still have not answered that question!

Stay FRESH 💪[/QUOTE]Yes, you're correct, I picked out a single line from the article to use in my post. That said, since it was from the article you used to support your argument, it certainly seemed appropriate to pull a statement out of that same article to demonstrate the inaccuracy of the argument. And you're also correct in that, to my knowledge, you never said we should set the price at $10. Instead, I merely took your argument to its logical conclusion. After all, if we, and we alone, dictate the price, why not make it dirt cheap? I'll answer that for you, because we alone do NOT dictate the price. As I stated in reply to OriginalSin (by the way, are you two related?) it takes BOTH sides to determine the price. Just as we would never pay $1,000, they would never accept $10. We do what we can to bring the price down, they do what they can to take the price up, and we reach a mutually agreeable rate. The same is true in any business, service industry or otherwise. The outcome would be the same whether you're talking about the pool cleaner, the CPA, mechanic, lawn maintenance or whatever. If the price is too low, the provider will stop providing, at least to that person, and move on. Similar with the consumer, if the price is too high, the consumer will shop around and look for another provider.

[QUOTE=JayJayTwo;4690463]Yes, you're correct[/QUOTE]

Thank you! I rest my case! 😂 😂

[QUOTE=Camera3;4689732]Oh, contraire. I imagine a huge percentage of guys are in this hobby because their "free" pussy is either awful or cutting them off.

Look, using economic terms, your premise is we guys should, basically, form a union and demand lower prices. This works only if ALL members of the community join the union. Either that or if the providers would respect the union demands even for non-union members.

The best example of this is the recent demise of K-Mart. They died a slow death because they refused to listen to concerned citizens (the case of the PAC that called them out on being the largest seller of porn and them ignoring that and falling to the largest boycott in US history. And couple with the fact that they just couldn't compete with upstarts like Walmart).

I can only imagine that the members on this site make up a small fraction of guys that hire hookers in Central Florida. I base this on the reviews I read on other sites by guys not on here and the huge number of hookers that advertise but are never reviewed here. Don't get me wrong, I value the judgements of our members. I just wish their reviews were more broad, and that we saw more ladies and reviewed them. Face it, we have a very few members who even review and they tend to review the same girls over and over.

A real-world case. I recently offered up a UTR who was in need and agreed to see more guys to raise the cash she needed. I made one post and had about 85 guys ask for her contact info. Only about 60 made the cut because of review count and history. Of those, five contacted her and two made dates. If you are trying to form any sort of unity front (to form your union), that record sucks.

So, yeah, none of us wants to pay more than a certain amount for fuck a lady. But to exercise control over that, you would need to form a solid union and be willing for ALL in the union to strike.

With respect, sir, that is a dog that don't hunt.

Not exactly an economics term, but you get the point.

OK. All that said, what can we REALLY do? Set our own standards. Decide what you can afford and stick with it. Be willing to get what you get for the price. If your willingness to spend is $80, you aren't going to get most of the ladies reviewed here and advertise on the various sites to fuck you. But you will get some to, they are just not going to be top shelf. Each of us has to decide what we are willing to spend for what quality. And, if enough of us are willing to just walk away, then, yeah, we can have some effect of the price of things. But we cannot control it.

Play safe,

C3.[/QUOTE]Aren't we in a "union" now? LOL Wouldn't this forum be considered a "union?"

And YES! Setting a standard is a GREAT idea! It's not going to happen overnight, but if we all participate consistently everyday, it WILL and CAN happen! OR we do nothing. Then we'll just keep getting what we're getting now! I know which team I'm playing for, I've already drawn my line in the sand and I know there are others that have too.

So who's team are you on?

[QUOTE=JJFresh;4690586]Aren't we in a "union" now? LOL Wouldn't this forum be considered a "union?

And YES! Setting a standard is a GREAT idea! It's not going to happen overnight, but if we all participate consistently everyday, it WILL and CAN happen! OR we do nothing. Then we'll just keep getting what we're getting now! I know which team I'm playing for, I've already drawn my line in the sand and I know there are others that have too.

So who's team are you on?[/QUOTE]Think about it, every encounter is different.

A girl might be willing to go with a good looking young dude driving a nice car for less than they'd charge an old ugly dude driving a white panel van. Will that be allowed in your "union".

A very good head specialist should get more than a girl that chews on your dick like its beef jerky.

Shouldn't that head specialist be able to set a higher price for non-covered vs covered or if the guy finishes in 20 minutes instead of 2?

Does the weather play a role in your price restrictions? What about police activity? Sometimes the girls just want to get away from the trail for a while and will take a lower price. I once got a cute very nice girl for an overnight at $100 because it was in the mid 90's and she was hot, tired and wanted a shower and comfortable bed.

Car dates vs motel visits? Car dates vs Resort visits?

Are prices discounted if she's dirty? Smelly? Stoned?

What if she's the only girl on the trail compared to a day when there are 15 girls standing together?

How do you put prices on those variable?

The only thing that matters is if you are willing to pay the amount she is asking or are you willing to drive away. If you start driving away then she may throw out a lower price or not. If you end up working it out but it's a contentious atmosphere then you may wish you didn't pick her up.

You should offer what you think she's worth to you and if she agrees then you're set. This entire conversation is foolish. It won't work.

[QUOTE=JJFresh;4690586]Aren't we in a "union" now? LOL Wouldn't this forum be considered a "union?"

And YES! Setting a standard is a GREAT idea! It's not going to happen overnight, but if we all participate consistently everyday, it WILL and CAN happen! OR we do nothing. Then we'll just keep getting what we're getting now! I know which team I'm playing for, I've already drawn my line in the sand and I know there are others that have too.

So who's team are you on?[/QUOTE]We will never "all participate". It can't and will never happen.

There will always be guys that flat out don't care about price, since they're basically made of money and can just throw as much money away as they desire to get exactly the girl they want.

There will always be guys who have a limited timeframe to play, and so they will pay the asking price to get pussy NOW. They don't have time to go through an exhaustive list of providers until they find one that meets some union standard.

There will always be guys who use their personal phones to contact girls. Heaven forbid he try to negotiate and piss her off, causing her to blow up his phone and have his significant other find out what he's been up to.

There will always be guys that are too shy to speak up for themselves, and will just concede to her asking price because they know no better than to even try to negotiate.

And the reasons for not participating in such a union just go on, and on, and on.

You guys that may have "drawn your line in the sand" are in the same union. But there are many unions out there, each with their own individual standards, and nobody is going to change!

[QUOTE=JJFresh;4690556]Thank you! I rest my case! 😂 😂[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JJFresh;4688909]Interesting that in that entire article, which clearly points out the power of the customer vs the business, you only acknowledge that one piece of sentence, but refuse to acknowledge the message. LOL[/QUOTE]Talk about being selective in pulling out a single sentence from a discussion! No worries, if it makes you happy, feel free to declare this exceptionally small victory as your own!

[QUOTE=TrollingObt;4690604]Think about it, every encounter is different.

A girl might be willing to go with a good looking young dude driving a nice car for less than they'd charge an old ugly dude driving a white panel van. Will that be allowed in your "union".

A very good head specialist should get more than a girl that chews on your dick like its beef jerky.

Shouldn't that head specialist be able to set a higher price for non-covered vs covered or if the guy finishes in 20 minutes instead of 2?

Does the weather play a role in your price restrictions? What about police activity? Sometimes the girls just want to get away from the trail for a while and will take a lower price. I once got a cute very nice girl for an overnight at $100 because it was in the mid 90's and she was hot, tired and wanted a shower and comfortable bed.

Car dates vs motel visits? Car dates vs Resort visits?

Are prices discounted if she's dirty? Smelly? Stoned?

What if she's the only girl on the trail compared to a day when there are 15 girls standing together?

How do you put prices on those variable?

The only thing that matters is if you are willing to pay the amount she is asking or are you willing to drive away. If you start driving away then she may throw out a lower price or not. If you end up working it out but it's a contentious atmosphere then you may wish you didn't pick her up.

You should offer what you think she's worth to you and if she agrees then you're set. This entire conversation is foolish. It won't work.[/QUOTE]While I've been focusing primarily on the fact that both sides of the equation, monger and provider, factor into the price, it's also very true that many other variables exist as well. While you mentioned quite a few variables, location is significant too. How often do we have guys comparing prices in Orlando versus in Miami, or a different State or even a different country. Bottom line, it's foolish to believe the monger "union" can outright dictate prices.

[QUOTE=GeorgeMason;4690986]We will never "all participate". It can't and will never happen.

There will always be guys that flat out don't care about price, since they're basically made of money and can just throw as much money away as they desire to get exactly the girl they want.

There will always be guys who have a limited timeframe to play, and so they will pay the asking price to get pussy NOW. They don't have time to go through an exhaustive list of providers until they find one that meets some union standard.

There will always be guys who use their personal phones to contact girls. Heaven forbid he try to negotiate and piss her off, causing her to blow up his phone and have his significant other find out what he's been up to.

There will always be guys that are too shy to speak up for themselves, and will just concede to her asking price because they know no better than to even try to negotiate.

And the reasons for not participating in such a union just go on, and on, and on.

You guys that may have "drawn your line in the sand" are in the same union. But there are many unions out there, each with their own individual standards, and nobody is going to change![/QUOTE]Just face it some guys are not used to driving rolls-royce's LOL the old run-down clinkers fits them best. That's why they say pussy is pussy.

[QUOTE=JJFresh;4690586]Aren't we in a "union" now? LOL Wouldn't this forum be considered a "union?"

And YES! Setting a standard is a GREAT idea! It's not going to happen overnight, but if we all participate consistently everyday, it WILL and CAN happen! OR we do nothing. Then we'll just keep getting what we're getting now! I know which team I'm playing for, I've already drawn my line in the sand and I know there are others that have too.

So who's team are you on?[/QUOTE]It is just my opinion but once upon a time when girls like Michele1 L, Daliah, KatyLovett, Gater, Sara and a few others were busy, prices were more reasonable and the quality of product was very good. I can't say for sure, but I know a few of these ladies knew each other and, basically, fixed their prices, and quality and dominated the business, basically, shutting out lesser quality girls. I think it could be argued that they had a coalition and controlled the hobby. They have all moved on or, like Michele, have changed the business model.

Thing is, I don't think any of those girls were drugged out. All pretty smart.

And here we are today.

C3.

[QUOTE=JJFresh;4690586]

So who's team are you on?[/QUOTE]Not on your team. You're out here scraping the bottom of the barrel to save a 20 spot. Three red flags and you still hang around to get setup / robbed. DAF.

Post 2566.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?5943-Negative-Escort-Reviews&p=4690628&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4690628.

You talk her down to a "reasonable 100 hh" and you don't even get the girl in the pics, shit service and rushed out the door.

Post 2567.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?5943-Negative-Escort-Reviews&p=4690653&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4690653.

Sounds like being a cheapskate is really paying off for you.

Buddy, I know the difference between a good quality product, and one that isn't. Pussy is pussy! It's just pussy! Is it really that important to you? You believe pussy is a "Rolls-Royce?" If so, then you're done, you don't really have an option. Where I come from that's called being "pussy whipped!

BTW, Rolls-Royce is a shit car, no longer worth anything, shows how much you really know about quality.

[QUOTE=Ymmv1515;4691737]Just face it some guys are not used to driving rolls-royce's LOL the old run-down clinkers fits them best. That's why they say pussy is pussy.[/QUOTE]Sad. So sad. While these girls get together and organize, you just say "nah, too much work, it will never work, it's impossible. Blah, blah, blah. Lame! See they know how to manipulate men because they know that most men are suckers for the pussy. So much so, that some are even stupid enough to use cash app! I mean seriously? Smh.

[QUOTE=GeorgeMason;4690986]We will never "all participate". It can't and will never happen.

There will always be guys that flat out don't care about price, since they're basically made of money and can just throw as much money away as they desire to get exactly the girl they want.

There will always be guys who have a limited timeframe to play, and so they will pay the asking price to get pussy NOW. They don't have time to go through an exhaustive list of providers until they find one that meets some union standard.

There will always be guys who use their personal phones to contact girls. Heaven forbid he try to negotiate and piss her off, causing her to blow up his phone and have his significant other find out what he's been up to.

There will always be guys that are too shy to speak up for themselves, and will just concede to her asking price because they know no better than to even try to negotiate.

And the reasons for not participating in such a union just go on, and on, and on.

You guys that may have "drawn your line in the sand" are in the same union. But there are many unions out there, each with their own individual standards, and nobody is going to change![/QUOTE]What does a girls situation have to do with me or us? We didn't put them in that situation. The decision to ***** around is theirs and theirs alone and so is the consequences that go along with it. Whether one gives "good service" or not is also irrelevant. Define good service. One man's "good service" is another man's "shit service. " It's all subjective.

In my mind, it's one species outwitting the other. Fortunately, I'm not part of the "other. " The only REAL "FOOLISH" thing is to allow it to continue.

[QUOTE=TrollingObt;4690604]Think about it, every encounter is different.

A girl might be willing to go with a good looking young dude driving a nice car for less than they'd charge an old ugly dude driving a white panel van. Will that be allowed in your "union".

A very good head specialist should get more than a girl that chews on your dick like its beef jerky.

Shouldn't that head specialist be able to set a higher price for non-covered vs covered or if the guy finishes in 20 minutes instead of 2?

Does the weather play a role in your price restrictions? What about police activity? Sometimes the girls just want to get away from the trail for a while and will take a lower price. I once got a cute very nice girl for an overnight at $100 because it was in the mid 90's and she was hot, tired and wanted a shower and comfortable bed.

Car dates vs motel visits? Car dates vs Resort visits?

Are prices discounted if she's dirty? Smelly? Stoned?

What if she's the only girl on the trail compared to a day when there are 15 girls standing together?

How do you put prices on those variable?

The only thing that matters is if you are willing to pay the amount she is asking or are you willing to drive away. If you start driving away then she may throw out a lower price or not. If you end up working it out but it's a contentious atmosphere then you may wish you didn't pick her up.

You should offer what you think she's worth to you and if she agrees then you're set. This entire conversation is foolish. It won't work.[/QUOTE]

Hey little guy! How you doing? The bus dropped you off on the wrong stop? Aww...what's your problem buddy? Can't face the truth? It's ok little guy, you're just a sucker without a cause. Hahaha

I post a review to warn the fellas and you want to exploit that? Wow! That's low! That's a kick to the balls...really dirty and pointless. You're taking this really personal buddy, maybe you should sit this one out and let your hormones relax. You don't wanna stir up something you can't handle. BTW, I've had a shit ton more wins than losses. Everyone goes thru this shit. What's your point?

And you say "cheapsakte?" So you're saying if I would've gave 200 hh it would've made everything better? Haha!! Genius? Why didn't I think of that? If you're suggesting a higher price gets me a better experience, you're even more of a sucker than you realize.

Why you so mad buddy? What's got you on my nuts? White knight much? 😂 😂

[QUOTE=IIIII;4692382]Not on your team. You're out here scraping the bottom of the barrel to save a 20 spot. Three red flags and you still hang around to get setup / robbed. DAF.

Post 2566.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?5943-Negative-Escort-Reviews&p=4690628&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4690628.

You talk her down to a "reasonable 100 hh" and you don't even get the girl in the pics, shit service and rushed out the door.

Post 2567.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?5943-Negative-Escort-Reviews&p=4690653&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4690653.

Sounds like being a cheapskate is really paying off for you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TrollingObt;4690604]
The only thing that matters is if you are willing to pay the amount she is asking or are you willing to drive away. If you start driving away then she may throw out a lower price or not. If you end up working it out but it's a contentious atmosphere then you may wish you didn't pick her up. [/QUOTE]I don't negotiate for this reason. If she doesn't agree to my offer or her asking is out of my range, I say "I'm absolutely sure you are worth that, but I'm not comfortable with that number. Thank you and good luck. " And I move on. The one or two times I have negotiated, I have regretted it as it resulted in a shorter menu or a rushed visit. Admittedly, I am a part-timer at best and meet the description of one who has very limited windows of availability. If negotiating works for you, awesome. I just want to go into a visit with the vague idea we both are comfortable with the arrangement. Its one less thing to get in the way of the good time.

That said, in the end, market forces will always prevail.

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;4692384]Buddy, I know the difference between a good quality product, and one that isn't. Pussy is pussy! It's just pussy! Is it really that important to you? You believe pussy is a "Rolls-Royce?" If so, then you're done, you don't really have an option. Where I come from that's called being "pussy whipped!

BTW, Rolls-Royce is a shit car, no longer worth anything, shows how much you really know about quality.

Sad. So sad. While these girls get together and organize, you just say "nah, too much work, it will never work, it's impossible. Blah, blah, blah. Lame! See they know how to manipulate men because they know that most men are suckers for the pussy. So much so, that some are even stupid enough to use cash app! I mean seriously? Smh.

What does a girls situation have to do with me or us? We didn't put them in that situation. The decision to ***** around is theirs and theirs alone and so is the consequences that go along with it. Whether one gives "good service" or not is also irrelevant. Define good service. One man's "good service" is another man's "shit service. " It's all subjective.

In my mind, it's one species outwitting the other. Fortunately, I'm not part of the "other. " The only REAL "FOOLISH" thing is to allow it to continue.[/QUOTE]If qualities what you speaking of the quality starts with you you going out with low credit you come out paying high. She had your s* together you will be begging for a lower rates. And the girls you referring to not even my class! So that tells me how much you know about quality too. This is just a game for me a hobby nothing serious. I have a nice piece of ass next to me every night!!

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;4692384]Buddy, I know the difference between a good quality product, and one that isn't. Pussy is pussy! It's just pussy! Is it really that important to you? You believe pussy is a "Rolls-Royce?" If so, then you're done, you don't really have an option. Where I come from that's called being "pussy whipped!

BTW, Rolls-Royce is a shit car, no longer worth anything, shows how much you really know about quality.

[/QUOTE]Sorry man, but you'll never get many of us here to say pussy is just pussy. That may be true on OBT, but not for all the other pussy.

Those who have seen the likes of Dahlia, Farrah and Avalon well know the difference between a woman who "fucks us", and one who just lays there and let's us "fuck them". And one who makes you feel like she's your high school sweetheart, versus some kind of mannequin sex doll.

If you truly believe that pussy is just pussy, then either you never wander off of OBT, or you really do NOT know the difference between a good quality product, and one that isn't.

Seriously, WTF happened to Chris5? Where is he?

I just came out of retirement to beat down a habitual loser (Negrapist / Grogin / Toujula now Olgary) nd figured I would take batting practice in Chrissy, you know like warming up. Seems he is dead or gone, I guess either are better for the board but what will I do? LMAO.

[QUOTE=GeorgeMason;4693110]Sorry man, but you'll never get many of us here to say pussy is just pussy. That may be true on OBT, but not for all the other pussy.

Those who have seen the likes of Dahlia, Farrah and Avalon well know the difference between a woman who "fucks us", and one who just lays there and let's us "fuck them". And one who makes you feel like she's your high school sweetheart, versus some kind of mannequin sex doll.

If you truly believe that pussy is just pussy, then either you never wander off of OBT, or you really do NOT know the difference between a good quality product, and one that isn't.[/QUOTE]LOL. Buddy I've been at this for a long time and I've seen all the one's you've mentioned (and some you will never know about), with the exception of Avalon. What's your point? Yes, they "fuck you!" Thanks for making that point. LOL Talking about "highschool sweetheart? Seriously?? Seems like you and all the other's in your camp are looking for romance in this hobby. LMAO!! Hate to break to ya, but they are NOT your girlfriend (s)! The only thing these girls care about is your wallet! Don't ever forget that! Pussy is pussy! It's just pussy! Doesn't matter if it's STG, EA, OBT. It's ALL the same!

A REAL quality woman DOES NOT do this for a living! Get out of your fantasy and get back to reality buddy.

Who works for who? With the way you're talking, seems like you work for them.

[QUOTE=Ymmv1515;4692795]If qualities what you speaking of the quality starts with you you going out with low credit you come out paying high. She had your s* together you will be begging for a lower rates. And the girls you referring to not even my class! So that tells me how much you know about quality too. This is just a game for me a hobby nothing serious. I have a nice piece of ass next to me every night!![/QUOTE]You brought up "quality" knucklehead! I just put you on check. And what the hell are you babbling about? "quality starts with you you going out with low credit you come out paying high. She had your s* together you will be begging for a lower rates. " You speak English bro? I don't beg, I don't EVER beg! Unlike you and the others. I hold myself to a MUCH higher value! I'm the one with the MONEY so I call the shots! Point, blank, period!

I will NEVER beg for pussy. EVER! Fuck that! Pussy is NOT that important! You claim this is a game for you and yet you're the one who gets played by these hoes! LOL Ya, ok, check yourself, before you lose yourself! Seems like you're just like your other buddy, trying to look for a girlfriend in this hobby! LMAO!

Who works for who?

[QUOTE=GeorgeMason;4693110]Sorry man, but you'll never get many of us here to say pussy is just pussy. That may be true on OBT, but not for all the other pussy.

Those who have seen the likes of Dahlia, Farrah and Avalon well know the difference between a woman who "fucks us", and one who just lays there and let's us "fuck them". And one who makes you feel like she's your high school sweetheart, versus some kind of mannequin sex doll.

If you truly believe that pussy is just pussy, then either you never wander off of OBT, or you really do NOT know the difference between a good quality product, and one that isn't.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree with you Georgie. They are fucking you & Not in a good way! ROTFF.

Livin' The Dream.

[QUOTE=Camera3;4691850]It is just my opinion but once upon a time when girls like Michele1 L, Daliah, KatyLovett, Gater, Sara and a few others were busy, prices were more reasonable and the quality of product was very good. I can't say for sure, but I know a few of these ladies knew each other and, basically, fixed their prices, and quality and dominated the business, basically, shutting out lesser quality girls. I think it could be argued that they had a coalition and controlled the hobby. They have all moved on or, like Michele, have changed the business model.

Thing is, I don't think any of those girls were drugged out. All pretty smart.

And here we are today.

C3.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your comment and your observation. More importantly, your rationale. I agree with your assessment. As for the drugs. LOL Meh.

The "quality" has declined so drastically these days that I'm about to call it quits all together. This hobby USED to be fun. All I see posting online now are younger no-name, no reviews and completely new girls, in either the hobby or this town, demanding 100-150 qv! They demand you pay for their ride for outcalls and I even see these hoes demand 80-100 qv for car dates! WTF?? Hell NO!

And to top it off, they have all these restrictions that make you wonder, "why the fuck are you posting?" I'm even seeing girls that were or are, SW's jumping on that band wagon. I'll be honest, I can't blame them. They're jumping on that gravy train that is Orlando's "men. " They know it can be had so they go for it! All the power to them! But I will NEVER entertain it!

It's fair to say all of us in this hobby sees money simply as just another tool; The price doesn't dictate how good the pussy is or going to be.

Sure, you can use -insert name of pricey hookers- to back up your points on good fucks for extra cash. I can say I've had 40-80 (regular) dates doing all I want them to do with enthusiasm. No STD here (knock on wood) proven 2 days ago! Woohoo!

At the end of the day, pussy for sale is just pussy for sale. Doesn't phase me anymore when a girl hikes up the price. A girl could be a hot piece of ass walking around but I've fucked better looking and leaner pussy.

A 400 dollar "escort" is just another hooker.

[QUOTE=Lehmonade;4693826]It's fair to say all of us in this hobby sees money simply as just another tool; The price doesn't dictate how good the pussy is or going to be.

Sure, you can use -insert name of pricey hookers- to back up your points on good fucks for extra cash. I can say I've had 40-80 (regular) dates doing all I want them to do with enthusiasm. No STD here (knock on wood) proven 2 days ago! Woohoo!

At the end of the day, pussy for sale is just pussy for sale. Doesn't phase me anymore when a girl hikes up the price. A girl could be a hot piece of ass walking around but I've fucked better looking and leaner pussy.

A 400 dollar "escort" is just another hooker.[/QUOTE]You are correct that the price does not dictate how good the pussy is, or is going to be. However even though there are exceptions to every rule, as with most things, you normally end up getting what you pay for. I'd rather pay a little extra and drive down the road in a Corvette, than spending less to drive down the road in a Camry. But to each his own!

And it was not my intention to "insert name of pricey hookers", as much as it was to "insert name of quality escorts". Like I said, I agree that price does not always dictate quality, but (I think) riding a Corvette is more enjoyable (to me at least) than riding a Camry. Just my preference!

Is pussy for sale just pussy for sale? I guess you could say yes, if all you were interested in was having a ride from Point A to Point B. I'd rather pay a little more, and enjoy all my five senses along the journey. Again, just my preference, but I bet a lot of guys here feel the same. And I do recognize that those that maybe cannot afford to do so settle for getting a ride from Point A to Point B in whatever method of transportation is available to them. And that's okay too!

The bottom line is that a guy is going to want what a guy is going to want. And that guy is going to pay whatever he has to, to get what he wants. So this whole discussion about trying to get women to lower their prices is a big non-starter. It's as old as prostitution itself. Nothing is ever going to change. Some guys will get exactly what they want at a price they can afford, while others will only get what they can afford. That's the way it has always been, and that's the way it will always be. End of story.

[QUOTE=Casey9;4692644]I don't negotiate for this reason. If she doesn't agree to my offer or her asking is out of my range, I say "I'm absolutely sure you are worth that, but I'm not comfortable with that number. Thank you and good luck. "[/QUOTE]Funny you mention that, that is the same line I have used, but once a beautiful cheer leader type in Las Vegas quoted me $500. I used those very words and she responded she would do it for $200. My little head almost prevailed, but I painfully held my ground and hung up. She text again $180. Damnit! Damnit! Damnit! That one hurt, but I turned her down.

A man's got to know his limitations.

C3.

[QUOTE=Camera3;4694106]Funny you mention that, that is the same line I have used, but once a beautiful cheer leader type in Las Vegas quoted me $500. I used those very words and she responded she would do it for $200. My little head almost prevailed, but I painfully held my ground and hung up. She text again $180. Damnit! Damnit! Damnit! That one hurt, but I turned her down.

A man's got to know his limitations.

C3.[/QUOTE]She gave you a 64% discount to her coochie! That is one powerful and respectful line.

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;4693586]You brought up "quality" knucklehead! I just put you on check. And what the hell are you babbling about? "quality starts with you you going out with low credit you come out paying high. She had your s* together you will be begging for a lower rates. " You speak English bro? I don't beg, I don't EVER beg! Unlike you and the others. I hold myself to a MUCH higher value! I'm the one with the MONEY so I call the shots! Point, blank, period!

I will NEVER beg for pussy. EVER! Fuck that! Pussy is NOT that important! You claim this is a game for you and yet you're the one who gets played by these hoes! LOL Ya, ok, check yourself, before you lose yourself! Seems like you're just like your other buddy, trying to look for a girlfriend in this hobby! LMAO!

Who works for who?[/QUOTE]So if you do have your stuff together you wouldn't be asking all the others to help you lower the price. Your game determine the price, but that if you got game. Just like a benchwarmer rooting his team on to win the game for him and not able to get in the game to play because he don't have game. Get some game and you get your prices down. Don't depend on others to do it for you. So stay in your lane and pay your money for pussy but don't try to get others to do it for you. By the way I speak English I'm just voice texting you don't have time to proofread. But one thing I do know, I don't have a problem with the price because the price depends on me. I get a lot of free pussy from the women that you try to get. All of us not blessed with certain qualities and you seem to be the one that's not blessed. Especially with women. LMAO.

[QUOTE=Ymmv1515;4694405]So if you do have your stuff together you wouldn't be asking all the others to help you lower the price. Your game determine the price, but that if you got game. Just like a benchwarmer rooting his team on to win the game for him and not able to get in the game to play because he don't have game. Get some game and you get your prices down. Don't depend on others to do it for you. So stay in your lane and pay your money for pussy but don't try to get others to do it for you. By the way I speak English I'm just voice texting you don't have time to proofread. But one thing I do know, I don't have a problem with the price because the price depends on me. I get a lot of free pussy from the women that you try to get. All of us not blessed with certain qualities and you seem to be the one that's not blessed. Especially with women. LMAO.[/QUOTE]Oh boy, the bumbling babbler is at it again. WTF are you babbling about now? You try so hard to twist my words and try to sound intelligent. FAIL! At what point did I ask any of you to "help" me with anything? Smh This is about the hobby knucklehead and the rising rates. What part of THAT conversation do you not get? You're obviously making this personal because you're making this about you. I feel like I have to lower my intelligence to have a convo with you and I'm not going to do that.

Why don't you do yourself a favor and sit this one out, you're obviously not comprehending this and you're getting too emotional, it looks pathetic.

[QUOTE=Lehmonade;4693826]It's fair to say all of us in this hobby sees money simply as just another tool; The price doesn't dictate how good the pussy is or going to be.

Sure, you can use -insert name of pricey hookers- to back up your points on good fucks for extra cash. I can say I've had 40-80 (regular) dates doing all I want them to do with enthusiasm. No STD here (knock on wood) proven 2 days ago! Woohoo!

At the end of the day, pussy for sale is just pussy for sale. Doesn't phase me anymore when a girl hikes up the price. A girl could be a hot piece of ass walking around but I've fucked better looking and leaner pussy.

A 400 dollar "escort" is just another hooker.[/QUOTE]Pussy is pussy, it's just pussy!

[QUOTE=GeorgeMason;4693908]You are correct that the price does not dictate how good the pussy is, or is going to be. However even though there are exceptions to every rule, as with most things, you normally end up getting what you pay for. I'd rather pay a little extra and drive down the road in a Corvette, than spending less to drive down the road in a Camry. But to each his own!

And it was not my intention to "insert name of pricey hookers", as much as it was to "insert name of quality escorts". Like I said, I agree that price does not always dictate quality, but (I think) riding a Corvette is more enjoyable (to me at least) than riding a Camry. Just my preference!

Is pussy for sale just pussy for sale? I guess you could say yes, if all you were interested in was having a ride from Point A to Point B. I'd rather pay a little more, and enjoy all my five senses along the journey. Again, just my preference, but I bet a lot of guys here feel the same. And I do recognize that those that maybe cannot afford to do so settle for getting a ride from Point A to Point B in whatever method of transportation is available to them. And that's okay too!

The bottom line is that a guy is going to want what a guy is going to want. And that guy is going to pay whatever he has to, to get what he wants. So this whole discussion about trying to get women to lower their prices is a big non-starter. It's as old as prostitution itself. Nothing is ever going to change. Some guys will get exactly what they want at a price they can afford, while others will only get what they can afford. That's the way it has always been, and that's the way it will always be. End of story.[/QUOTE]1. Let me make one thing clear. Money is NOT an issue for me. This is about principle.

2. Terrible analogy. I could argue that if you want a reliable car, go with the Camry.

3. A higher rate DOES NOT guarantee shit and it NEVER will. This is a proven fact.

4. You mention all 5 senses. Are you saying your 5 senses feels better when you pay more? LOL.

5. Sounds to me like you're in this hobby for all the wrong reasons. If you're looking for love in this hobby, you're going to get screwed!

Bottom line, you can spend your money however you want, but it DOES affect the market. Whether you want to believe that or not, that's your problem! JJ and I already posted articles that prove our point and yet you and all the other "pussy-whipped" members choose to bury your heads in the sand and pretend it does not exist.

At the end of the day, you pay the price. Who works for who?

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;4696105]1. Let me make one thing clear. Money is NOT an issue for me. This is about principle.

2. Terrible analogy. I could argue that if you want a reliable car, go with the Camry.

3. A higher rate DOES NOT guarantee shit and it NEVER will. This is a proven fact.

4. You mention all 5 senses. Are you saying your 5 senses feels better when you pay more? LOL.

5. Sounds to me like you're in this hobby for all the wrong reasons. If you're looking for love in this hobby, you're going to get screwed!

Bottom line, you can spend your money however you want, but it DOES affect the market. Whether you want to believe that or not, that's your problem! JJ and I already posted articles that prove our point and yet you and all the other "pussy-whipped" members choose to bury your heads in the sand and pretend it does not exist.

At the end of the day, you pay the price. Who works for who?[/QUOTE]1. Let me make one thing clear, money is "not" an issue for me either. This is about getting what "I want".

2. I don't want a reliable ride, I want a fun ride! I'm only going to be riding for a short ride, so I want it to be fun. Then I'll cast that ride aside, and get another one that is just as fun!

3. I never said a higher rate guaranteed anything, only that I didn't mind paying it if it gets me what I want with no hassles or worries about her performance.

4. Yes, my senses all feel better, but not because I pay more, but because I'm with the quality provider of my choice. She's good to look at (no bruises or track marks), she sounds intgelligent (she can put two sentences together and can discuss current events), she smells and tastes good (no stank pussy), and her skin is soft to the touch (no scars or track marks).

Bottom line is I "do" spend my money how I want, and for that I "do" get what I want.

At the end of the day, I could give a flying fuck about the "market". I only care about me, and I am a very happy man!

[QUOTE=GeorgeMason;4696408]1. Let me make one thing clear, money is "not" an issue for me either. This is about getting what "I want".

2. I don't want a reliable ride, I want a fun ride! I'm only going to be riding for a short ride, so I want it to be fun. Then I'll cast that ride aside, and get another one that is just as fun!

3. I never said a higher rate guaranteed anything, only that I didn't mind paying it if it gets me what I want with no hassles or worries about her performance.

4. Yes, my senses all feel better, but not because I pay more, but because I'm with the quality provider of my choice. She's good to look at (no bruises or track marks), she sounds intgelligent (she can put two sentences together and can discuss current events), she smells and tastes good (no stank pussy), and her skin is soft to the touch (no scars or track marks).

Bottom line is I "do" spend my money how I want, and for that I "do" get what I want.

At the end of the day, I could give a flying fuck about the "market". I only care about me, and I am a very happy man![/QUOTE]Seems you and I have the same taste in women. The only difference is I don't pay the sucker prices! 😜 😂.

Please stop paying for bull shit. I will not pay 70 for a BJ and if you are stop. Paying higher rate is not going to influence if you bust a nut. Business is supply and demand and the supply is there. When she says 70 and you pay next time she will say 75 until you finally wake up. I might be wrong but my objective is to bust a nut, not looking to get married. Not looking to have. GF, these girls are out to get whatever they can from you. You think giving her top dollar she is going to remember you? You think she cares who you are? She is looking for a fix just like you. Get what you can as cheap as you can. She wants as much as she can as quick as she can. Her manager told her I need 5 from you today she thinks if I raise price I work less and get high quicker. So she makes 6 he takes his five the she has an extra 1 to get her fix.

I have been lucky most of the ladies I have gotten do not rob me because I don't offer top $ you stand a better chance of being taken because if you got that you have more someplace and she wants it. She will still rush you, she will still complain, she will still flake.

STOP 🛑 paying top dollar.

The one I saw today had a jello ass in yoga pants I just wanted BJ and to spank that ass but not at that price.

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;4697246]Seems you and I have the same taste in women. The only difference is I don't pay the sucker prices! 😜 😂.[/QUOTE]No, the difference is I get exactly what I want because I don't give a fuck what it costs. You however, evidently pass up on many you'd like to see if you can't get her price down.

I say if you have the money (and I have never found myself short), then spend it on exactly what you want instead of depriving yourself of what you want because of some stupid "principle".

While you're sucking on your damn "principle", the good ones are sucking on me.

Who's the sucker now?

[QUOTE=GeorgeMason;4697711]No, the difference is I get exactly what I want because I don't give a fuck what it costs. You however, evidently pass up on many you'd like to see if you can't get her price down.

I say if you have the money (and I have never found myself short), then spend it on exactly what you want instead of depriving yourself of what you want because of some stupid "principle".

While you're sucking on your damn "principle", the good ones are sucking on me.

Who's the sucker now?[/QUOTE]So it won't take long for these girls to realize you got plenty of money and they will try and rip you off if they haven't already. I got no problem spending cash but I want the best. So to get the best I don't shop at K-Mart. Basically I'm not paying Macey's price for K-Mart quality.

[QUOTE=GeorgeMason;4696408]

4. Yes, my senses all feel better, but not because I pay more, but because I'm with the quality provider of my choice. She's good to look at (no bruises or track marks), she sounds intgelligent (she can put two sentences together and can discuss current events), she smells and tastes good (no stank pussy), and her skin is soft to the touch (no scars or track marks).

Bottom line is I "do" spend my money how I want, and for that I "do" get what I want.

At the end of the day, I could give a flying fuck about the "market". I only care about me, and I am a very happy man![/QUOTE]You're the type of parent that's willing to pay "top-dollar" for low class college tier thinking high tuition fees must mean better education because all the money goes to hiring quality / classy teacher! LMAO.

Pussy for sale is always going to be pussy for sale. Just another pussy already been through multiple times a day by different sets of guys. You're just another sucker all psyched out for no good reason.

But hey, you do you. I'll stick to fking her 3-4 times more than you do in a week. Thanks for paying for our meals and bills. Just kidding by the way! Please don't let that stop you, you'll still get what we... I mean.. you want right?

[QUOTE=Lehmonade;4703056]I'll stick to fking her 3-4 times more than you do in a week. [/QUOTE]I'll never understand you guys (Lehmonade, NotACop1, OriginalSin). You're not getting the point.

You're not fucking her 3-4 times more than I do in a week, because we're not seeing the same women. I'm seeing those quality chicks who won't / don't negotiate their prices (and there's a reason they don't, which you guys will never understand). You guys are seeing the chicks who will let you beach and moan about prices, and negotiate with them.

So again, we're back to talking apples and oranges here, but you guys think all fruit looks the same.

Trying to understand some people is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. LMAO!

[QUOTE=GeorgeMason;4703171]I'll never understand you guys (Lehmonade, NotACop1, OriginalSin). You're not getting the point.

You're not fucking her 3-4 times more than I do in a week, because we're not seeing the same women. I'm seeing those quality chicks who won't / don't negotiate their prices (and there's a reason they don't, which you guys will never understand). You guys are seeing the chicks who will let you beach and moan about prices, and negotiate with them.

So again, we're back to talking apples and oranges here, but you guys think all fruit looks the same.

Trying to understand some people is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. LMAO![/QUOTE]Here we go again with this "quality chicks" bullshit! They're all PROSTITUTES!! WTF?? Do you need me to spell it out for you?? There is no such thing as a "quality chick" in this hobby dumbass! You are such a SUCKER!! You are the VERY REASON the rates go up!

Again, Pussy is Pussy! It's just pussy! Who works for who? WHO WORKS FOR WHO??

This will eventually sink in and it's going to hit you like a ton of bricks. LMAO!!