"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=HappyHunter44; 1841767]My Pot #1 (that I had dropped already. See previous posts) emailed me last night after flaking with a similar story. It did not involve God, but the reason she said was she got confused. OK, I get that. I then told her to let me know when things are possible, and she responded that sounds good.

Just out of the blue a few hours later, I emailed her saying if she is in a money bind then let's make things simple. We meet; we horizontal bop; I gift $. Holy crap, she responded that sounded easier than the whole SD / SB thing. Go figure. Looks like a UTR in the making.

I will continue to develop the idea in her head. It is possible she has not thought through what she said. So she is back on the game a bit.[/QUOTE]I just realized I do not think I identified this babe as POT #1. There were four pots I was dealing with. She is the main one who texted me for the time and place to get together. I went silent (work related) for a couple days, and she texted me saying she hopes I am still meeting her. Sounded promising.

Then when the day before comes, she flakes and no response to the confirmation text. Now she wants back into some game. Will play this one carefully.

Coming to you with a new handle as old one caused problems.

BB. Interesting frank discussion from all. Thank you to all who contributed. I really enjoy BB. Have done it for years with SO. And have the big V so no concern with little ones but also cannot bring anything home without nuclear apocalypse. Will try adjusting my new SBs on raincots and using the lube advice. I find if going greek it doesn't matter but that's pretty rare.

On allowance, I started at $$/visit and almost all said yes. But that was tough to hide in cash so slowly ratched down as I would be reluctant to pay the $$ and go for lower price. I expect multiple hours if not overnite from all. Had a recent interesting experience with 2 SBs. SB3 who I told I moved out of town emailed do I come back to visit. I emailed her I do but financial situation had changed and sugar would be "very limited". Says she doesn't care. Look her up. Mid 30's and not beautiful. Guess things are tough.

SB13. More about her later, again a 30 yo MILF who reminds me of Reese Witherspoon. Great tits. Ducked out early on 3rd date but texted a few days later can she come over as she has "needs". Told her she is out of sugar sequence so little to be had and she replied that's ok. So late evening booty call. She is flaky but at least doesn't want to marry me like SB 10. More on that one later.

Lately had M&G with late 30's POT. My guess 40's. Who stuck to $2K / month. Her $$$$$ solution was one nite a month of whoppee and one nite a month meet and greet. WTF. I really don't need anyone to tell me I am witty. I need you on all fours. Not sure if she gets any takers. Will have to ask.

Update you as I can but keep the faith guys. This sure is an interesting corner of the world!

Re: SO We prob shouldn't get married, it always gets old We all feel that way.

Send a pic after good convo has been had and she seems interested. Girls are not as visual as guys and what matters the most is security (aka money)

The M&G is primarily a getting a feel for each other. Chit chat and thrill them with your rapier with, then near the end ask if they would like to see you again. If the answer is yes then ask her what she would like to get out of a relationship with you. We differ on whether to discuss sugar beforehand, but I think it is important to make sure you are in the ballpark. If they like you they are more likely to cut you a better deal, so M&G is good. If you are not a hot guy or particularly agile conversationalist she might require more sugar. I like to rule out the GPS girls brfore wasting my time and valuable courting dollars.

Sounds like you are off to a good start!

[QUOTE=MJehl; 1841126]Thanks for the advice, bro-mongers.

I love my SO hut I just don't want to have sex with her. Oxymoron, eh? Am I all alone on this boat?

POT#3 When is ir a good time to send out my picture to them? I am no slug but neither am I a model.

What questions or issues do you ask while emailing texting before the MnG? What is discussed at the MnG?

I may be a noob monger but I am a happy one.

Take care and have fun,

MoJo[/QUOTE]

So I still feel like I have been smiled upon by angels. My one-and-only SB is as sweet, attractive, eager-to-please, sensual, and voracious as ever. Last week we had a FC session that was five hours long, which was only briefly interrupted by some much-needed breaks and a couple of showers. And afterwards she was thanking *me* over text, with adjectives like "mind-blowing" liberally applied.

The Time Machine effect is simply stunning, and I feel like I've been transported to the college experience I wish I'd gotten but obviously never did. Even in the best of times with my SO, a five hour session with three pops for me and "I lost count" for her? I never even remotely considered something like that to be possible.

This weekend I had carefully arranged to be able to do an overnight, a rarity given my family schedule. Last-minute she contacted me that a chronic medical issue she's been having cropped up again and she was concerned she wouldn't be able to "perform". A perfect storm of the miscommunication-via-text, an inability to arrange a time to talk over the phone to mitigate the damage texting was causing, and a really bad workday for her almost nixed the whole thing.

In the end we managed to sort it all out. To help take any unclear expectations off the table, I offered that we could keep intimate activities to a minimum and skip the sugar if that made her feel more comfortable-she had repeatedly offered the latter so I took the hint. And boy what a weekend: dinner, a romantic walk-along-the-river, movie, then to bed. Our vow of celibacy crumbled pretty damned quick, and any concern of performance issues were quickly discovered to be baseless. Right up there with our previous encounter.

The kicker was in the end. Since this encounter turned out to be as intimate as ever, I decided to give her the token present I had already wrapped, which also contained the sugar. She balked, and after explaining my reasoning I offered that she could think it over and decide whether to keep it or not, whatever was most in her comfort zone. She later texted me that she had meant to give it back, didn't want the sugar to be part of this weekend's experience, and to not bring anything next time we meet. Uh, wow.

So I've been thinking about the nature of the relationship. While the baseline arrangement is a SD / SB pay-for-play, it reminds me more of what back-in-the-day would be called a "mistress". The latter often included financial help, if perhaps not as clearly defined as it is with SD / SB. But as this plays out, I give it at least even odds that if I told her that I was having trouble keeping the outgoing funds under the radar at home (frankly, an issue I worry about) , she'd agree to whatever new arrangement I offered-even perhaps zero.

While this may be angels-on-the-head-of-pin, where does she stop being a SB and start being a mistress?

To that point, I have no desire or plans to build a cadre of SB's-I can barely manage just one, and right now I'm damned happy with what I get out of this deal. While she could turn out to be an Oscar-worthy actress, all signs indicate that she's grateful for the financial help but really isn't in this for the sugar. She seems to get much more out of the companionship with a kind and mature individual, the emotional connection and support, the life-coaching and mentoring I provide, not to mention the "mind-blowing" sex.

What an interesting trip this has been so far.

As Revvo says,"be careful out there". To which I add, be more careful than me.

Great to see so many new guys. Love the stories. Been on vacation myself and trying to back off any new prospects for now. I have been told by more than one veteran on here not to burn the candle too much.

On the hotels I always wait to book it at the time of the date with a new one and I like to use Trivago or Hotwire. Had good luck with both of them. Of course if it is a reliable baby then I can book in advance.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;1840338]Later in the day I happened to be on BP, and whose SA profile pictures did I see but hers (outcall. 50/100/150). I had never seen her post an ad before, so I assume she really did have a pressing bill, but I have chalked this one up to experience as well.[/QUOTE]Why meeting a SB at home (even if single) is a bad idea until there's a high degree of trust / comfort built up. If she's desperate enough to resort to BP, then who knows what she'd do knowing where you live!

Glad you lucked out on this one!

I've been on SD4M since officially entering the bowl about two months ago. I was becoming discouraged by the flakes and nando1's that seem to rule there.

I decided to check-out SA this past weekend, and I'm very glad I did. The caliber of women in general on SA (at least in DC) is MUCH MUCH higher IMHO. The operators are on to something with their verified I'd, and diamond memberships. If I were single, I'd do the verified for sure. I'm curious if any of you single brothers have tried the verified I'd service. Did it result in an increase in attention?

Also - I should add I've laughed hard more than a few times by seeing what some of the sugar expectations are ... $5K - $10k a month .... I've been avoiding those profiles since it's a good indication of GPS.

[QUOTE=Walruscl;1842909]But as this plays out, I give it at least even odds that if I told her that I was having trouble keeping the outgoing funds under the radar at home (frankly, an issue I worry about) , she'd agree to whatever new arrangement I offered-even perhaps zero.[/QUOTE]I'll qualify the above remark that I have no plans to renege on the original deal unless there was some external factor outside my control. I'm as certain as one can possibly be that the funds are being used for constructive purposes. By happenstance, I was there when she paid her deposit at the local community college last month. So in my earlier musings of the "mistress" category (and as I've mentioned in earlier posts) , I'm quite happy to be giving some financial assistance since by all accounts it appears to be a worthy cause.

[QUOTE=BikeRider; 1843333]I've been on SD4M since officially entering the bowl about two months ago. I was becoming discouraged by the flakes and nando1's that seem to rule there.

I decided to check-out SA this past weekend, and I'm very glad I did. The caliber of women in general on SA (at least in DC) is MUCH MUCH higher IMHO. The operators are on to something with their verified I'd, and diamond memberships. If I were single, I'd do the verified for sure. I'm curious if any of you single brothers have tried the verified I'd service. Did it result in an increase in attention?

Also. I should add I've laughed hard more than a few times by seeing what some of the sugar expectations are. $5K. $10k a month. I've been avoiding those profiles since it's a good indication of GPS.[/QUOTE]Actually the drop down choices just confuses the girls. They have limited choices for low dollar amounts. If you check the stats on how many choose the lowest option it's a very small number. They are subconsciously being guided to a larger amount than they would have never dreamed of. In reality they will take far less. Just ignore it.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1843548]In reality they will take far less. Just ignore it.[/QUOTE]In my last report I mentioned a POT who had agreed to $.25 a meet but wanted it in a bi weekly allowance of 500. On her SA profile she was had selected the 3-5K amount. I responded to her request for bi-weekly allowance and told her that I was sorry but I wasn't comfortable with that, to which she has happily (it seems) agreed to the original $.25. We are scheduled for our second meeting with an implied trip to the FC tomorrow. A while back I received a message from a girl in the 5-10k category. I politely replied that she was obviously beyond my budget, and she didn't hesitate before asking me what was my budget. I wasn't really interested so I didn't follow up, but HG is right about ignoring the ridiculous amount on SA.

The operators are on to something with their verified ID, and diamond memberships. If I were single, I'd do the verified for sure. I'm curious if any of you single brothers have tried the verified ID service. Did it result in an increase in attention?

I thought the verification was worth it. For any POTs that were hesitant, I would allude that I've been "vetted" and am as legit as you'll get on SA. I think it put more than one SB at ease.

Quick question.

Which brand / type of prepaid cards do you get for your babies?

Something that can easily be loaded at a drug store or groceries store with cash and have no ties to my name, address, or banking info.

Thanks,

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1843709]Quick question.

Which brand / type of prepaid cards do you get for your babies?

Something that can easily be loaded at a drug store or groceries store with cash and have no ties to my name, address, or banking info.

Thanks, [/QUOTE]I've been paying cash for Vanilla Visa Gift Cards, which are one-time prepaid debits with a $500 limit. Works well for me, although she has to deal with the "last dollar" problem with the money broken up into discrete chunks across a bunch of gift cards. A bit inconvenient, although she has yet to complain.

If things stay stable after my SB and I both adjust to our new, busier schedules this fall, I'll look into having her get a Green Dot card. It's refillable, has a higher limit, and I can remotely send her money using refill codes I buy with cash. The latter would make going to an allowance a lot easier if that starts to make sense, and dodges the last-dollar problem.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1843709]Quick question.

Which brand / type of prepaid cards do you get for your babies?

Something that can easily be loaded at a drug store or groceries store with cash and have no ties to my name, address, or banking info.

Thanks, [/QUOTE]I looked into this more than a bit when I re-married. My hope was to find a card that wouldn't show-up on my credit report. Other than a few very shady off-shore cards, it was an epic fail.

The re-loadable ones at CVS etc. Usually have a monthly charge, and they require the SB to register the card etc. The best I found when I looked was American Express' Serve card. The SB still has to register, and you can add Green Dot Money Paks. I double checked just now and they don't have a monthly fee, and there's no ATM fee if you use it within a specific ATM network.

I'm meeting with a POT this week with whom I may set this up if things go well.

[quote=smokarz_xo; 1843709]quick question.

Which brand / type of prepaid cards do you get for your babies?

Something that can easily be loaded at a drug store or groceries store with cash and have no ties to my name, address, or banking info.

Thanks, [/quote]greendot card