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This place is strictly legit. Michelle met me at the door and took me back to the room, asked if I wanted a shower. She said, point blank, "No sex." Therefore I paid with a credit card. The receipt said "Blue Ocean" in Burke. Passed a sauna on the way to the shower. Both the TS and the massage were excellent. I would go back.
HJ - $40
BJ - $60
69 - $80
The Works! - $100
This is in additon to whatever the house fee is.
JJ
I've never been able to just get a BJ.Either its just a HJ or the works.Must be me.8
Last week, during my lunch break, I went back to my first stop, and had another nice visit. This time I opted for the full hour, and tried out the table shower. Very nice!
However, the soap they use is something like ivory soap. Not what I use at home. My girlfriend has the nose of a bloodhound, and I know she'd be able to pick up on it. Fortunately I was also getting a haircut that day, so could explain any unusual smells away as the shampoo. Plus when I got home I had the excuse of, "Need to take a shower to get rid of all the itching little hairs. "
Do any of you have problems with scented soaps during the TS (or massage I suppose)? How do you deal with it? Bring your own soap in? I can't get a haircut each time I go
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Novaguy Inph]Last week, during my lunch break, I went back to my first stop, and had another nice visit. This time I opted for the full hour, and tried out the table shower. Very nice!
However, the soap they use is something like ivory soap. Not what I use at home. My girlfriend has the nose of a bloodhound, and I know she'd be able to pick up on it. Fortunately I was also getting a haircut that day, so could explain any unusual smells away as the shampoo. Plus when I got home I had the excuse of, "Need to take a shower to get rid of all the itching little hairs. "
Do any of you have problems with scented soaps during the TS (or massage I suppose)? How do you deal with it? Bring your own soap in? I can't get a haircut each time I go
Thanks![/QUOTE]
Your problem is not the soap. It is the trust issues with the GF at home.
If she is that concerned about you stepping out on her that she can pick up the scent if you showered somewhere else, you have a different problem. Trust.
Most spas pick unscented soap and lotions for just this reason. Occassionally they use Irish spring or the Old spice liquid soap in the TS, these should be no problem for most men.
Personally if a girl questioned me about a scent, I would say "why do you have a problem if I wash may hands and face somewhere, why do I have to explain that to you?".
Perfume is a DIFFERENT matter entirely. But you shouldn't have to explain soap smells. If its a big problem for you, keep alchohol wipes in your care and why down your hands, arms and neck before you go in.
[QUOTE=Brahmabull]Your problem is not the soap. It is the trust issues with the GF at home.
If she is that concerned about you stepping out on her that she can pick up the scent if you showered somewhere else, you have a different problem. Trust.
[/QUOTE]Yeah, clearly there's a lack of trust. Whether he *merits* trust from his GF, given that he's going to AMPs without her knowledge, is another question. I'm not making any moral judgements here, but as a practical matter, just be prepared for the consequences of her finding out what's going on. If she's smart and suspicious, she's probably going to find out eventually. Better be prepared for that.
The suggestion about keeping some wipes in the car is a good one. But probably not enough. I think some women are downright psychic when it comes to detecting cheating. Best strategy is to plan things so you take another shower at home before you see her again.
Reasonable point about trust, but I for one try not to get in situations where I even have to explain anything. I do recommend, however, joining a health club - then you always have an excuse that you had a shower at the club. And, you can keep the duffel bag in the car with your brand of liquid soap to give to the attendant...
[QUOTE=Brahmabull]Your problem is not the soap. It is the trust issues with the GF at home.
If she is that concerned about you stepping out on her that she can pick up the scent if you showered somewhere else, you have a different problem. Trust.
Most spas pick unscented soap and lotions for just this reason. Occassionally they use Irish spring or the Old spice liquid soap in the TS, these should be no problem for most men.
Personally if a girl questioned me about a scent, I would say "why do you have a problem if I wash may hands and face somewhere, why do I have to explain that to you?".
Perfume is a DIFFERENT matter entirely. But you shouldn't have to explain soap smells. If its a big problem for you, keep alchohol wipes in your care and why down your hands, arms and neck before you go in.[/QUOTE]
If soap smell is an issue then just take your own soap!
Problem solved! If the TS girl has issues with that - leave.
JJ
[QUOTE=Novaguy Inph]Last week, during my lunch break, I went back to my first stop, and had another nice visit. This time I opted for the full hour, and tried out the table shower. Very nice!
However, the soap they use is something like ivory soap. Not what I use at home. My girlfriend has the nose of a bloodhound, and I know she'd be able to pick up on it. Fortunately I was also getting a haircut that day, so could explain any unusual smells away as the shampoo. Plus when I got home I had the excuse of, "Need to take a shower to get rid of all the itching little hairs. "
Do any of you have problems with scented soaps during the TS (or massage I suppose)? How do you deal with it? Bring your own soap in? I can't get a haircut each time I go
Thanks![/QUOTE]
Some of the senior members swear by .4 for an HJ, but I don't paying .8 under for a nude/semi-nude HJ with "touching" as long as there is no haggling from the girl. So far that hasn't been an issue when I leave the money under my watch.[QUOTE=Vate Faire]I'm new on this forum, but have been visiting a couple of places in Tysons area for a while. I've been paying $80 house fee + $80 tip for TS, Massage (some very good) with nude or topless HJ with touching. I've been searching to see if this is the "going rate", and from what I've seen on this forum maybe others are getting more service for this rate. I see lots of references to "standard NOVA" rates. What exactly is that?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sleazebum]HJ - $40
BJ - $60
69 - $80
The Works! - $100
This is in additon to whatever the house fee is.
JJ[/QUOTE]I respectfully take issue with this payscale, it ignores the fundamentals on what differentiates good quality and bad. I'd say
HJ- $50-80 (depending on massage quality, attitude, rushed/non-rushed, clothed/nude, and degree of roaming)
BJ/FS- $80-100 (depending on CBJ, BBBJ, etc., FS is a $100 no matter how bad the service)
Quite frankly, Nova AMPs are far too hit-and-miss when it comes counting on anything more then a standard release. Most times its dependent on the girl and not the establishment on whether you go anything more then the standard finish. AMPs that do FS as a policy always get busted in 6 months or so (I can only think of one that has been around for 8 years or so). If BJ and FS are the main goal then finding something off Craigslist/Backpage or driving down to DC is the smarter option.
For me, it comes down to the overall experience. If I pay for a 1 hour house, and the girl gives a bad massage, clothed HJ, no roaming, and rushes me out the door in 30 or so minutes then she's getting a $50 tip ($40 if its less then 30 minutes).
If this girl spends the full hour pampering me, knows how to give a good massage, unclothed, and there is roaming, I will give $80 for a HJ.
Sometimes there is even LFK/DFK, which you don't get from most backpage/craigslist girls, and other services even with only a HJ finish. If I feel its really worth it I will even give a $100.
PA, I owe you one. Since I was in that area, I took your recommendation and headed down to the Downy. I was a walk-in (no appointment), but because the day and the time I went was a slow period, I was the only one there. (Of course, there was also only one therapist there, too.) And, by the time I departed, no one else had arrived, so it was a nice time.
When MMS answered and led me to the room, she asked if I had been there before. I told her "Yes, but only when the place was under a different name about 5 years ago. " When the therapist came in a few minutes later, she asked the same, and I told her the same. Then, she said, "Okay, lay down. " I was surprised that she didn't offer a TS, and I said "What? No TS? " She seemed a bit surprised that, for a supposed first-timer, I [u]knew[/u] about the TS. But, after a few moments discussion, she said "Okay, let's go. " All during the TS, she queried me about a number of things to mkae sure I was legit. (She asked the same questions later, during the massage, probably because she thought I might have been shading the truth. But, I must have satisfied her, because the standard NoVa ending was very good too.)
All in all, I was thoroughly satisfied (in spite of the many questions initially). She had a particular technique during the finish, in which she hooked my knee and thigh in order to hold my legs apart at the point of Shangr-La. I'd never experienced that before, but it was very effective. That, along with the DFK (another surprise), provided for a fantastic ending.
I provided a slightly larger tip than standard NoVa dictates. Which comports with what Bostonpeter is saying about a tipping [u]range[/u] for a particular finish.
In a desire to keep faith with PA and help keep this place lower on the radar, I'll only provide the name of the establishment via PM from [b]senior[/b] members. Since the therapist asked me not to reveal her name to my friends, I will hold that piece of information close to the vest.
As far as ratings, they are:
[Color=DarkBlue][b]Facility[/b][/Color]
--- Cleanliness: [b]9.5[/b]
--- Upkeep: [b]8[/b] (1980s building, but some renovation evident)
--- Location: [b]9. 5[/b] (Discrete)
--- Entry Fee = [b].8[/b] (Standard for today)
[Color=DarkRed][b]Therapist[/b][/Color]
--- FBAS: [b]8[/b] / [b]8.5[/b] / [b]9.5[/b] / [b]10[/b]
--- TS: [b]9[/b] (Sensual and thorough)
--- About 5'-3", 115#, 34C, black medium-length hair.
Exactly!!!
[QUOTE=Bostonpeter]I respectfully take issue with this payscale, it ignores the fundamentals on what differentiates good quality and bad. I'd say
HJ- $50-80 (depending on massage quality, attitude, rushed/non-rushed, clothed/nude, and degree of roaming)
BJ/FS- $80-100 (depending on CBJ, BBBJ, etc., FS is a $100 no matter how bad the service)
Quite frankly, Nova AMPs are far too hit-and-miss when it comes counting on anything more then a standard release. Most times its dependent on the girl and not the establishment on whether you go anything more then the standard finish. AMPs that do FS as a policy always get busted in 6 months or so (I can only think of one that has been around for 8 years or so). If BJ and FS are the main goal then finding something off Craigslist/Backpage or driving down to DC is the smarter option.
For me, it comes down to the overall experience. If I pay for a 1 hour house, and the girl gives a bad massage, clothed HJ, no roaming, and rushes me out the door in 30 or so minutes then she's getting a $50 tip ($40 if its less then 30 minutes).
If this girl spends the full hour pampering me, knows how to give a good massage, unclothed, and there is roaming, I will give $80 for a HJ.
Sometimes there is even LFK/DFK, which you don't get from most backpage/craigslist girls, and other services even with only a HJ finish. If I feel its really worth it I will even give a $100.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Novaguy Inph]Last week, during my lunch break, I went back to my first stop, and had another nice visit. This time I opted for the full hour, and tried out the table shower. Very nice!
However, the soap they use is something like ivory soap. Not what I use at home. My girlfriend has the nose of a bloodhound, and I know she'd be able to pick up on it. Fortunately I was also getting a haircut that day, so could explain any unusual smells away as the shampoo. Plus when I got home I had the excuse of, "Need to take a shower to get rid of all the itching little hairs. "
Do any of you have problems with scented soaps during the TS (or massage I suppose)? How do you deal with it? Bring your own soap in? I can't get a haircut each time I go
Thanks![/QUOTE]Many places use unscented products. And for your body they should only be putting the bare-minimum necessary to reduce friction. 'Down there' they tend to use a lot more since more friction is needed, but the biggest concern for me is the oil on my body afterwards seeping into my cloths, while I don't have to worry about a significant other, I do have to worry about going back to work if go on my lunch break.
Either way lots of wet wipes are a good idea. If you use a cologne you should lightly reapply it afterward. I also keep those Febreze to Go mini-bottles in my car to take smells off my cloths. If you have a habit of using Febreeze at your home it shouldn't smell to suspicious, also the smell doesn't tend to linger.
For you, I would just take a shower when I get home. I'm sure it isn't much of an excuse to take a shower being how hot and humid it is these days. Just say you feel sweaty. There are a million excuses.
[QUOTE=AKFourtySeven]HJ - $40
BJ - $60
69 - $80
The Works! - $100
This is in additon to whatever the house fee is.
JJ
I've never been able to just get a BJ.Either its just a HJ or the works.Must be me.8[/QUOTE]
Absent exceptional service, this is the market
[QUOTE=AKFourtySeven]HJ - $40
BJ - $60
69 - $80
The Works! - $100
This is in additon to whatever the house fee is.
JJ
I've never been able to just get a BJ.Either its just a HJ or the works.Must be me.8[/QUOTE]
It seems to me that the tip should be split between the massage and the after-massage.
If an hour is .8 for a massage, then
add .2 tip for massage or 25%, then
add .2 tip for HJ for 25%, or
add .4 tip for BJ for 50%, or
add .6 tip for 69 for 75% tip, or
add .8 tip for FS for 100%.
So the total outlay for 1hr/FS would be
.8 house fee plus
.2 (25%) tip for the massage plus
.8 (100%) tip for the FS
$.8 Total.
The percentages on the extras are pretty striking when you consider what other services expect for tips. Of course, you won't find many waitresses at Olive Garden offering to sit on the table for a DATY session between dinner and desert. But if you do, please report back here ASAP.
AD
[QUOTE=Alpha D]It seems to me that the tip should be split between the massage and the after-massage.
If an hour is .8 for a massage, then
add .2 tip for massage or 25%, then
add .2 tip for HJ for 25%, or
add .4 tip for BJ for 50%, or
add .6 tip for 69 for 75% tip, or
add .8 tip for FS for 100%.
So the total outlay for 1hr/FS would be
.8 house fee plus
.2 (25%) tip for the massage plus
.8 (100%) tip for the FS
$.8 Total.
The percentages on the extras are pretty striking when you consider what other services expect for tips. Of course, you won't find many waitresses at Olive Garden offering to sit on the table for a DATY session between dinner and desert. But if you do, please report back here ASAP.
AD[/QUOTE]Interesting musings, but we shouldn't take code words literally, Like many words we use here "Tipping" is just a euphemism.
A 15-20% tip would be normal if all we were getting out of this place is just a massage, but we could go to the mall for that. We are obviously paying for 'other' services. For Nova, massage quality is more an emphasis then other areas, but we are after-all asking for services that come with a lot of inherit risks in many ways. We shouldn't think of it as percentages based off of 'house pay', since that's mostly for the MMS.