Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5131847]To put it mildly, the U.S. Government fucked up its response to the COVID-19 pandemic. This administration from day one was at war with the science. Let's look at how South Korea has handled the COVID pandemic. It's hard not to be impressed by the way the South Korean government and people confronted a choice the citizens of Western countries were frequently told was unavoidable between economy-shattering lockdowns and appalling viral casualties they resolved to accept neither option. South Korea instead deployed mandatory masking, strict social distancing measures, VIGOROUS testing / contact tracing protocols, all in the service of a simple goal: to keep society functioning. And for the most part, it has worked. South Korea, so far has had 500 deaths from COVID-19 and the country's economy continues to grow.

Note: Both South Korea and the U.S. announced their first index case of COVID infection on the same day. Almost 9 months later South Korea has had 500 deaths from COVID-19 compared to 330,000 dead from COVID-19 in the U.S.

[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2020-south-korea-covid-strategy/[/URL][/QUOTE]I can't stand Trump either but the entire point is people like you are blowing up the 300,000 number when in fact 280,000 of the 300,000 were elderly, very sick, and going to die with or without covid. Stop destroying the world's economy because you don't like Trump.

A2.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5131809]Did you even read your own source? It is clearly labeled "1999-2019. " If you want to make a statistical argument about Covid, at least use 2020 data, you know, the year that Covid actually appeared.[/QUOTE]You said:

[QUOTE]There are other sources that verify these numbers, but I could find NONE that show a steady death rate of 2. 85 million in each and every one of the last four years.[/QUOTE]When I said "the same number of people are dying in 2020 as died in the last 3 years," You said you could find no source to show a steady death rate of 2. 85 million so I gave you one that is unassailable.

Now is when you say, "oh, ok, I was wrong. ".

There's no shame in learning something new. You thought something was this, it turned out to be that, now start dealing with the world as it is, not as you thought it was. Covid isn't nothing, but it didn't kill 300,000 extra people, it killed around 20,000 extra people (hence the 94% had an average of 2. 9 of the following illnesses or conditions which I'm sure everybody is tired of seeing) so now you can stop saying that it alone killed 300,000 people because you know better.

Again, there's no shame in having thought one thing, learning something new, then understanding that you had made a mistake and now know better.

A2.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5131992]I can't stand Trump either but the entire point is people like you are blowing up the 300,000 number when in fact 280,000 of the 300,000 were elderly, very sick, and going to die with or without covid. Stop destroying the world's economy because you don't like Trump.

A2.[/QUOTE]Did you even read what I posted? On a comparative basis, South Korea, China, New Zealand and Australia to a lesser extent allowed the "science" to dictate their response to the COVID pandemic WITHOUT totally shutting down their economies and they have achieved much better economic/health outcomes than the U.S.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5131690] I don't think the covidiots will be satisfied until they destroy a billion lives.[/QUOTE]Covidiots. Cute. When you have nothing intelligent to say, channel your inner Trump.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5131992]I can't stand Trump either but the entire point is people like you are blowing up the 300,000 number when in fact 280,000 of the 300,000 were elderly, very sick, and going to die with or without covid. Stop destroying the world's economy because you don't like Trump.

A2.[/QUOTE]A2, I don't know why you even try to reason with blind stupid fools like Sgt. George and Bullet. They would destroy the entire planet just to attempt to prove their stupid, incorrect talking points, something that they are well on their way to accomplishing. I respect your attempt but it is useless with these brain-dead anarchists. To both of them: You "defeated" the big bad orange man. Now the true hell is about to begin. You started it. [blue][Deleted by Admin]

I appreciate the sentiment but I said a long time ago, there will be no threats tolerated on this forum as a result of the election.

To be clear, you and yours will not be "finishing" anything. The elections were certified by 50 different state governments, controlled by a mix of both red and blue parties, the Supreme Court with a 6-3 conservative majority declined to hear the "cases" brought before it to "prove" election fraud. On Jan 20th a new president will be sworn in and the Donald Trump will go back to being a private citizen again.

You can take solace in knowing that he will launch both his media company and his reelection campaign while Biden is being sworn in and for the next four years you can post nasty shit about Biden.

A2[/blue]

[QUOTE=Admin2;5132010]You said:

When I said "the same number of people are dying in 2020 as died in the last 3 years," You said you could find no source to show a steady death rate of 2. 85 million so I gave you one that is unassailable.

Now is when you say, "oh, ok, I was wrong. ".

There's no shame in learning something new. You thought something was this, it turned out to be that, now start dealing with the world as it is, not as you thought it was. Covid isn't nothing, but it didn't kill 300,000 extra people, it killed around 20,000 extra people (hence the 94% had an average of 2. 9 of the following illnesses or conditions which I'm sure everybody is tired of seeing) so now you can stop saying that it alone killed 300,000 people because you know better.

Again, there's no shame in having thought one thing, learning something new, then understanding that you had made a mistake and now know better.

A2.[/QUOTE]Let me know if you learned something.

[URL]https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/20/cdc-data-excess-deaths-covid-19/[/URL]

[QUOTE=RedneckStud;5132596]Let me know if you learned something.

[URL]https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/20/cdc-data-excess-deaths-covid-19/[/URL][/QUOTE]Thank you; I'm so sick of the Covidiots with their "don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up" attitude.

Though I am surprised A2 took the time away from his usual admonishments on how we should think about those in the adult industry (except him, of course).

[QUOTE=Admin2;5131992]I can't stand Trump either but the entire point is people like you are blowing up the 300,000 number when in fact 280,000 of the 300,000 were elderly, very sick, and going to die with or without covid. Stop destroying the world's economy because you don't like Trump.

A2.[/QUOTE]Your statement "in fact 280,000 of the 300,000 were elderly, very sick, and going to die with or without covid" is absolutely wrong. I hardly come to your fucking site anymore, too many fucking racist pigs and ignorant trolling this place.

I have very close family person died of covid, just 48 years and very active and physically fit. The other 4 members of the same family have almost no symptoms this person was gone in 3 days. My next door 56 years old neighbor was in ICU for one weeks. It is true that majority on the casualty of covid had exiting problems but lot of young people died too. You will see lot of young people on this list if you go through data. I guess you don't have time to look through any site since you have to manage this site.

You can ban me for life and ask me if I give a shit.

The article shows that that the 300,000 excess deaths are most likely NOT due to COVID.

Take note of the last paragraph in the article: "There were also differences among different age groups, with the largest increase occurring among people age 25 to 44, who saw excess deaths that were 26.5% higher than average. People 45 to 64 had 14.4% more deaths, while those 65 to 74 had 24.1% more deaths. Deaths among people 75 to 84 were 21.5% higher and 14.7% higher for people 85 and above".

Now take a look at this chart of distribution of COVID deaths by age:

[URL]https://cdn.aarp.net/content/dam/aarp/health/conditions_treatments/2020/10/1140-covid-cases-deaths-by-age.imgcache.rev.web.900.518.jpg[/URL]

Those distributions DO NOT MATCH.

[QUOTE=RedneckStud;5132596]Let me know if you learned something.

[URL]https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/20/cdc-data-excess-deaths-covid-19/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AllTheTime;5132639]Thank you; I'm so sick of the Covidiots with their "don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up" attitude.

Though I am surprised A2 took the time away from his usual admonishments on how we should think about those in the adult industry (except him, of course).[/QUOTE]A2 took the time because he is right. Some of you would do well to consider his facts rather than the lies that Fauci, the media, CDC, and the WHO spoon feed to you every day. But of course, you won't. Your mind has been made up a long time ago. We changed our minds some months ago as the real facts and the real truths came out. You and others refuse to see them yet you admonish us for our made up minds? Such Pharisees. Live blind and stay proudly ignorant.

[URL]https://townhall.com/columnists/scottmorefield/2020/12/21/new-study-shows-mask-mandates-had-zero-effect-in-florida-or-nationwide-but-the-l-n2581879[/URL]

[QUOTE=ST0808;5132669]Your statement "in fact 280,000 of the 300,000 were elderly, very sick, and going to die with or without covid" is absolutely wrong. I hardly come to your fucking site anymore, too many fucking racist pigs and ignorant trolling this place.

I have very close family person died of covid, just 48 years and very active and physically fit. The other 4 members of the same family have almost no symptoms this person was gone in 3 days. My next door 56 years old neighbor was in ICU for one weeks. It is true that majority on the casualty of covid had exiting problems but lot of young people died too. You will see lot of young people on this list if you go through data. I guess you don't have time to look through any site since you have to manage this site.

You can ban me for life and ask me if I give a shit.[/QUOTE]It's not my statement, its directly from the CDC's web site, [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm[/URL] since I know you won't look I'll post the numbers here, I have spent a lot of time looking at their data.

Total deaths with Covid as of today, 291,757.

Under 1 year 31.

1-4 years 18.

5-14 years 50.

15-24 years 468.

25-34 years 2,041.

35-44 years 5,298.

45-54 years 14,124 total under age 55: 22,030 which is 7.55%.

I know 14,124 seems like a lot but when compared to the total number of people of these ages who have died it's not really. 205,203 people have died between the ages of 0 and 54 in the US so far this year. 14,124 died with covid and remember 94% of those 14,124 had an average of 2. 9 life threatening illnesses as well so of the 205,203 who died of all causes only 850 died with covid as the primary cause. I understand that these are all tragedy's to the people who loved them but not a lot of young people are dying of covid when looked at in the context of the entire population.

55-64 years 34,966.

65-74 years 62,280.

75-84 years 79,724.

Over 85 92,757 Total over age 55: 269,727 which is 92.45%.

Also from the same site "For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2. 9 additional conditions or causes per death. ".

92.45% of the people who have died with covid were over the age of 55 and 94% of them had an average of 2. 9 life threatening diseases so I believe the conclusion that the vast majority were elderly and very sick is true.

Again, I'm sorry for your loss and perhaps your thoughts on covid are seen through that lens. Best of thoughts to you and your family during what must be a difficult holiday season.

A2.

P.S. I wouldn't ban you for disagreeing with me on a fight thread.

[QUOTE=RedneckStud;5132596]Let me know if you learned something.

[URL]https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/20/cdc-data-excess-deaths-covid-19/[/URL][/QUOTE]I didn't because I have seen that before and I still have the same question.

If the mortality rate for the US over the last ten years has been 867.8 per 100,000 people [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm[/URL] which works out to 2,863,740 dead people for 2020.

When the average mortality rate plus 300,000 excess deaths would mean 3,163,740 yet only a total of 2,851,438 have died as of December 27th perhaps you could explain to me what I'm supposed to learn from that article.

I know the article you posted said that there were 300,000 excess deaths, and I know that article quoted an article from somebody at the CDC saying that there were 300,000 excess deaths can explain why there are not 300,000 excess deaths in the CDC's running count? It's really kind of at the center of what I don't understand and it really bugs me. No shit Stud if you could explain that to me I'd stop posting this shit. I was talking to a real live epidemiologist about it once and all he told me was that I lacked the training to understand the "epidemiological glue" (I'm not making that up) that held these numbers together. I freely admit that I do not have the training to put these kinds of graphs together but I did pass elementary school so I can add and subtract and I asked him again to explain, in the most rudimentary manner possible and he said "less traffic accidents" so I looked, according to the agency that watches them traffic fatalities are down 3% which is great but only 38,000 people die a year in accidents so that's only 1000 people. When I said that to him he sort of lost it and told me that I lacked the training to even ask the question.

When you tell me that 300,000 more people died yet the projected number at the beginning of the year is exactly what has died at the end I have to ask where the extra 300,000 are? Can you tell me? If you can't, perhaps you can tell me if you learned anything from learning that there appears to be a pretty big discrepancy.

[QUOTE=MTWilliams911;5133039]Masks exposed as a joke. [URL]https://townhall.com/columnists/scottmorefield/2020/12/21/new-study-shows-mask-mandates-had-zero-effect-in-florida-or-nationwide-but-the-l-n2581879[/URL][/QUOTE]Here’s a thought, the next time you're in surgery, please ask your operating Surgeon, Consulting Doctor, Surgery room Nurse and Anesthetist NOT to wear medical masks or medical gloves. Also, while you're at it, insist they use unsterilized instruments. Your after surgery health outcome should be very interesting. Wear a damn mask!

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5133232]Heres a thought, the next time you're in surgery, please ask your operating Surgeon, Consulting Doctor, Surgery room Nurse and Anesthetist NOT to wear medical masks or medical gloves. Also, while you're at it, insist they use unsterilized instruments. Your after surgery health outcome should be very interesting. Wear a damn mask![/QUOTE]I do not have to ask a doctor. I am a doctor.

Transmission of bacteria in the OR is a completely different issue than an airborne virus and non-certified cloth masks.

Peer reviewed publications show commonly used cloth masks only stop a tiny percentage of airborne viruses.

We should probably throw some virgins in a volcano to stop the spread. Probably as effective as the hysterical "shut down everything" and "wear masks" superstitious crowd.

Florida is largely open. California largely closed. Difference in spread rate is statistically not different.