Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=John 2089; 1345073]On the 23rd day of Christmas I received my first pay check in Cali. Due to moving expenses I haven't been able to monger for over a month here. But the time finally came yesterday.

I've been eyeing this mp on wilshire around western that's on my route to work for the past few weeks. I didn't know what to think as they advertised a. 25 an hour massage and that seemed to low for a real mp, even with a bad economy that was still to low. I was bored and had the weekend to myself with my other being out of town with family so I decided to entertain myself. I figured if anything I would get a decent massage and kill some time. Now the fact that the windows were heavily tinted made me raise an eyebrow, a real mp on a busy street would definitely want privacy for it's clients. When I walked in I didn't see a single person, it was dimly lit with a long hallway that had rooms with curtain covered doors. I'm thinking at this point that I made the right decision and turned to the front desk. The air in my balloon started to slowly seep out when I saw that the girl at the counter was mid 20's. Now I'm not sure about S. O. P here but, back in Tucson the lady at the front was usually older. I step forward and she automatically says,"full body", I feel my balloon being inflated again and say yea. She then asks for payment, I use my prepaid and she then points to the price and asks if the. 02 charge for. 40 is okay. I'm a little confused as they advertise a. 25 massage but I guess thats just for the foot. I say ok almost asking to see a line-up but I opted to let things play out. I almost asked for someone as cute as her, she was really good looking, but decided against it. I'm led back to the room and thought I heard moaning which made me feel more optimistic. The rooms are private, except for the small opening at the top of ceiling because the wall doesn't go all the way up. It's at about 90% to the ceiling. I undress and lay the towel over my bottom just incase, then I begin to observe the room; nice table, the ever present tiered shelf, oil and a dark room. I wait for almost 10 mins and almost decided to leave when I hear a voice outside the door," are you ready". I quickly say yes and in walks my provider. I couldn't get a very good look but she looked ok. 6 maybe 7 in face, not pretty but not ugly, and a loose long top to I couldn't make out the body. As soon as she walks in however she unfolds the towel and covers my back.

At this point my balloon is seeping air again. I ask if it needs to be all the way when she starts massaging, then says something about oil and I say yes. She folds it down and a little ways and begins the massage. I couldn't roam as she placed my arms on the table. The massage was ok, asked how I wanted it and I said medium. She did the top for 10 mins then went towards the legs. At this point I'm hoping she becomes a little aggressive only to be let down when she doesn't even go high up on the inside. I'm thinking to myself," great, I just spent. 40 for a ok massage and no action". I try to spread my legs a bit to get her attention but no dice. She works my lower half for 10 mins the places the towel over my body again, does some chopping shit and leaves. No hold on, or I'll be right back, she just leaves.

I want to walk out now, everything in my body is saying nothing is going to happen. A couple times while she was doing my back her legs were against my hands as I put them to side of the table but, she moved away. The weird thing was that I would kinda rub her leg, she would move it away then back again. This went on for a 15 mins before she did took off. After what felt like a million years, probably a minute, she comes back with a hot towel. My theoretical balloon finally starts to deflate at a rapid pace and I couldn't believe that I won't even get a full hour massage. She starts wiping me down, slowing pushing the last remnants of air from my balloon, then all of a sudden she taps my back and tells me to flip. My hopes begin to grow and I probably went airborne with how fast I flipped over. She pulled a pillow out grab some oil an the pulled up a fucking chair behind me!

Now I've never had a legit massage before so I had no clue of what was to come. She starts doing some weird ass face and scalp massage. I was disappointed that I felt like running into traffic. But I figured I might as well enjoy my first legit massage. She does this for 5 mins then starts on my chest from the same position behind me. After another 5 mins she gets up and starts in on my arms and hands. I finally got a good look at her and she seemed pretty, not ugly but not hot, nothing to write here about. Her body seemed a little soft; she began some small talk at this point, her english was good, and mentioned she's 30. She smiles at me a bit and while she messes with my hands I start to get erect. I have no clue why this happened but it did. She didn't notice at first until she started to rub my legs.

She moved the towel down; she had been moving it around my body the whole time so I wasn't more than half exposed at any point; and whilst moving realized my massive member was creating an obstacle. I'm pretty big so when I go up that towel looks a fucking circus tent. She thought it was kinda funny and giggled. She gets on top to rub something, I can't remember what, and moves my member back and forth LOL. She says sorry and I just smile and say," he gets in the way sometimes. She giggles and goes back to massaging me. She asks me if I have a girlfriend and I reply no of course. She starts to rub my inside thigh now and each time gets closer and closer to my little guys. At this point I don't know what the hell to think. She still hasn't made a move and it's been in 35 mins and now I feel like I've made an ass of myself. As she prepares to move to the other side of the table she peeks under the towel.

I felt like I just got a shot of adrenaline with a scotch chaser. When she gets to the other side she sits down; she had sat down periodically through out the massage; and begins the dance around the little guys again. I'm feed up again, my brain is doing back flips when she finally starts to on my stomach right under my member. She does this for for a couple mins then to my utter surprise grabs my big guy over the towel and says" It's beautiful". I'm thinking yes I'm finally in. Before I even have time to discuss menu she reaches back under and goes to town. She started off slowly at first, almost as if she was afraid. The after a couple mins goes full force. Now I'm not a fan of HJ but good god this chick had amazing technique. I mean I've never had a girl give a HJ so well. This shit was out of this world good. Almost made me pop before she went to the other side. And to top things off I didn't have to coach her one bit, it was like she'd been servicing me for years. She even brought me to that bursting point then held me back from exploding. She did this a few times and then finally made me blow. And the whole time she was making these cute faces and sexy sounds making it her seem hotter and the experience better.

After I was spent she went for a hot towel and water. Cleaned me up and helped me get dressed. Now that is A+ service my friends. As I head for the door, yes I tried to get out without tipping, she asked for a tip. I didn't have much cash in hand so I gave her 5 at first then 10 then 15. She seemed happy and said she's there everyday but Monday and her name is julie. Now to finish this long story up some may not like the doors to the rooms, they're not solid but have small squares on them however they're covered with a long lacy sheet. And on my way out I passed a fucking 10 and saw another hottie cleaning up her room. So all in all this was a good gamble for. 40 to the house and. 15 to the chick.[/QUOTE]Nice story but your one cheap fuck. 15 bucks? Really? No wonder you can sleep at nights

PC out

Haha your right LOL. I can justify my reasoning all I want but in the end I was trying to be cheap. But for just a HJ from a average chick I'm not losing sleep over tipping low. The other key factor was I only had 18 in cash and didn't feel like charging again. So I'm lazy and cheap PC LOL.

[QUOTE=John 2089;1345815]Haha your right LOL. I can justify my reasoning all I want but in the end I was trying to be cheap. But for just a HJ from a average chick I'm not losing sleep over tipping low. The other key factor was I only had 18 in cash and didn't feel like charging again. So I'm lazy and cheap PC LOL.[/QUOTE]I tried this place out. Provider was a middle-aged lady going by (sounds like)"Cici." No hint at all of extras. Didn't get a lineup. The whole setup was unusual. Like you mentioned. Main street, big flashing sign, I don't even think the front door was locked as I would have expected. Truth is I didn't hint too hard since the provider wasn't all that. Maybe extras is provider specific.

[QUOTE=John 2089;1345815]Haha your right LOL. I can justify my reasoning all I want but in the end I was trying to be cheap. But for just a HJ from a average chick I'm not losing sleep over tipping low. The other key factor was I only had 18 in cash and didn't feel like charging again. So I'm lazy and cheap PC LOL.[/QUOTE]No dummy. A hand job tip is 40. Either have the money or don't waste these woman's time.

And no, its not funny. They see your ugly ass walk in there again they won't accept small ass tips by a loser from the east coast.

Anybody know what happened to Century Spa on La Cienega next to the hotel? No more ad in LAExpress, and there's a chain across the driveway.

[QUOTE=Hentai Man;1343735]Go to nearby Eagle Rock bro. Lots of massage parlors on the main drag (see ads in LA Weekly). Try to find ones with Chinese providers. That's usually a good sign. Strictly massage with HE, usually for 80. 100. There might be one or two Kgirl places that offer FS there too.[/QUOTE]Okay. Thanks for the info!

Listen I just want to get a couple things straight. First off I'm from arizona not the east coast, I'm definitly not ugly and lastly if you bothered to do research on me you would know that I know the standard. This game is a hustle, and if I can get mine for less I'm going to try. Not trying to cause trouble on here. And for real, who on here wouldn't try to talk down the price for any service.

And unless your a senior or have legit posts don't pm me people.

I'll have to agree with Reacher. 40 is tip for HJ. These girls work hard for their money. They don't ned to be haggled & hustled. Its standard.

BALDY CRUISER :)

If hall of famer baldy cruiser says. 40 then discussion over for me. I've just always been under the impression that it was no more than. 40 for HJ. Ill be checking out a couple thai places soon that haven't been posted here, so I'll abide by the standard while there.

[QUOTE=Baldy Cruiser; 1346964]I'll have to agree with Reacher. 40 is tip for HJ. These girls work hard for their money. They don't ned to be haggled & hustled. Its standard.

Baldy Cruiser.[/QUOTE]

Am noticing on other review sites that "FS" pricing at AMP's is dropping to 80 and some places

At 60. 00. Now I was aware of this being possible in bloomington / fontana (valley blvd) because most of the spots

Their have cougars (some close to 50 years old) and pricing has been consistent there.

But some reviews here in the los angeles county area at 80 and some at 60.

Is the trend now fellas?

Or are the reviews bullshit?

[QUOTE=John 2089;1345815]Haha your right LOL. I can justify my reasoning all I want but in the end I was trying to be cheap. But for just a HJ from a average chick I'm not losing sleep over tipping low. The other key factor was I only had 18 in cash and didn't feel like charging again. So I'm lazy and cheap PC LOL.[/QUOTE]$55 for a HJ is perfectly fine with me. If you picced up a SW and she told you all you cud get for 55 is a HJ you guys would kicc her out while the cars still rolling! LOL. And I also agree with johns other comment. If you can get it for the low. TAKE IT. This is a cat and mouse game about BARGAINING. Get the most bang for your bucc.

[QUOTE=Idigs;1347371]$55 for a HJ is perfectly fine with me. If you picced up a SW and she told you all you cud get for 55 is a HJ you guys would kicc her out while the cars still rolling! LOL. And I also agree with johns other comment. If you can get it for the low. TAKE IT. This is a cat and mouse game about BARGAINING. Get the most bang for your bucc.[/QUOTE]You're wrong that it is a bargaining game in the setting of a rub and tug as compared to a FS MP. In all MPs the smartest MP providers don't bargain or discuss money unless they have reason to suspect that the idiot on their table will try to stiff them in the end. Realistically, in my experience anyway, many FS girls who don't know me discuss money, but in HJ palaces, the amount of a tip for HJ NEVER comes up with the exception of some of the Thai places in Hollywood and K-Town. Different culture and I guess they feel more secure from LE activity.

Bottom line is if you go to a real massage with HJ place staffed by Koreans and Chinese girls, it is unlikely that they will ask you for a specific tip unless you look like you fit the profile of a cheap bastard or a thief of services. They just believe that not conditioning the performance of HE on a particular tip insulates them from criminal exposure because the discussion of money constitutes the crime of solicitation, and that goes both ways. So in rub and tugs anyway, trust is the name of the game and to not tip the standard amount is exploiting the providers' trust inyou and wanting to be discrete about the economics. There is no bargaining in most rub and tugs. Obviously if money is not discussed, you can get your HJ and walk out without tipping a dollar if you want to be that much of a bastard. In John's case, if he told the girl what he was going to tip before she coaxed his cum, he wouldn't have received his HJ. He did not bargain for the price so let's quit the bullshit rationalizing.

Then there is the simple application of the "Golden Rule". If you're OK with being hustled, disrespected and exploited in how you are compensated for your own work, then by all means go out and hustle and exploit the hard working massage girls. On the other hand, if you prefer to be fairly treated in your work, consider treating those who depend on you with fairness and respect.

[QUOTE=The Camel; 1348023]You're wrong that it is a bargaining game in the setting of a rub and tug as compared to a FS MP. In all MPs the smartest MP providers don't bargain or discuss money unless they have reason to suspect that the idiot on their table will try to stiff them in the end. Realistically, in my experience anyway, many FS girls who don't know me discuss money, but in HJ palaces, the amount of a tip for HJ NEVER comes up with the exception of some of the Thai places in Hollywood and K-Town. Different culture and I guess they feel more secure from LE activity.

Bottom line is if you go to a real massage with HJ place staffed by Koreans and Chinese girls, it is unlikely that they will ask you for a specific tip unless you look like you fit the profile of a cheap bastard or a thief of services. They just believe that not conditioning the performance of HE on a particular tip insulates them from criminal exposure because the discussion of money constitutes the crime of solicitation, and that goes both ways. So in rub and tugs anyway, trust is the name of the game and to not tip the standard amount is exploiting the providers' trust inyou and wanting to be discrete about the economics. There is no bargaining in most rub and tugs. Obviously if money is not discussed, you can get your HJ and walk out without tipping a dollar if you want to be that much of a bastard. In John's case, if he told the girl what he was going to tip before she coaxed his cum, he wouldn't have received his HJ. He did not bargain for the price so let's quit the bullshit rationalizing.

Then there is the simple application of the "Golden Rule". If you're OK with being hustled, disrespected and exploited in how you are compensated for your own work, then by all means go out and hustle and exploit the hard working massage girls. On the other hand, if you prefer to be fairly treated in your work, consider treating those who depend on you with fairness and respect.[/QUOTE]Well said!

That being said, if I went to a MP and the girl was to get me hard with a BJ but make me cum with a HJ would you tip the usual $40?

[QUOTE=Doctordelamor; 1348095]Well said!

That being said, if I went to a MP and the girl was to get me hard with a BJ but make me cum with a HJ would you tip the usual $40?[/QUOTE]There are variables to figure in but generally if it is an all out committed BJ and not just a momentary oral tease, then you have moved up to the next step of service and tipping. The going rate would usually be $60 and I'll go higher for BBBJ especially if CIM happens. But there are always elements that can change the math. For instance, if it is a rub and tug place where service beyond a HJ is unusual and all the providers are capable of professional or near professional quality massage, then the girl will probably still be OK with $40-50 if she doesn't discuss the tip in advance of the service. The rub and tug culture is concretely different than the FS culture. The girls think of themselves as therapists who pride themselves in massage ability. Their expectations for tips are less and whatever delusionary system may be in place, they don't like to think of themselves as sex workers. In a FS environment, no question more money will be expected whether or not it is discussed. The girls are there to fuck, suck and get paid. If a girl doesn't negotiate in a FS place she is either being exceedingly cautious, or it is an expression of special respect and trust in you as a customer.

BTW, I don't mean to come across as some kind of totalitarian of tipping. There is always room for variation based on geography, the providers' attitude and quality of service along with other variables. However, what spurred this discussion was a detailed report from John who reported that he received A+ service (in his words) from a provider previously unknown to him in the heart of Los Angeles. Then he shockingly reveals that he wanted to get out of there without tipping at all. But apparently the girl got hold of his conscience and squeezed $15 out of him. John repents under the bright gaze of legendary Baldy's wisdom and experience and decency, then this other dude comes in and pats John on the back for his original attitude of trying to steal the service.

Also should be said to the ignorants in this place like this Idigs who said that $55 is enough for a HJ, it is fundamental to understand like 95% of us do, that the massage girl does not earn the $40 house fee. Usually only the tip and perhaps some small commission on top of that in some locations. So in this case the girl would clean the room, provide a professional quality massage and maybe a table shower, and then make you cum over a fulll hour for $15, not $55. You pay the house $40-50 to provide you the cover of legality, a place to do your deed, gather your providers and take the heat from LE, not to mention providing a genuinely therapeutic massage in many instances You don't have to pay the house. Instead you can choose to cruise the streets at all hours in your car, get serviced in the car, and take on all the risks that go along with that. Fine for many, but those are elements that many MP customers pay to avoid. Obviously if there were enough guys like Idigs out there going to MPs, it would not take long before the girls and MPs would either disappear or impose controls like up front tipping to be sure their services are not stolen....it is the opposite effect to overpaying.

Bottom line is an hour of quality rub and tug is a damn bargain in SoCal.

Has anyone been to sage spa 614 and manhatten place koreatown? Or Thai massage parlor on Santa Monica and Normandie.

Last month as the weather turned cold I was in the need of a massage in order to loosen up my back. I happened to be in the neighborhood of highland park, and stumbled into a MP on york. My masseuse was named Emily. She started with a standard massage then grabbed hold of those bars on the ceiling and proceeded to walk on my back (my first). On the flip she took care of the boys and I left happy. 1/2 hour 40 and tip 40.

I realized most of the Westwood / Santa Monica threads aren't updated. Any spots to try out? I'm a first timer in many regards (and thus realize no one will readily hand me any information) , so. If anyone can hint in a direction, or maybe inform me as to how to start finding places, I'd be forever grateful.

Went to a nice massage & Spa on Sepulveda across from In & out Burger. Place was very clean and seemingly legit. The massage therapist was in her 30's and Korean, she didn't protest my hand roaming up and down her leg. She gave a HJ with a donation of 4. $. Was very fast and rushed, the entire time she had her eyes on door making sure no one saw.

[QUOTE=The Camel; 1348486]There are variables to figure in but generally if it is an all out committed BJ and not just a momentary oral tease, then you have moved up to the next step of service and tipping. The going rate would usually be $60 and I'll go higher for BBBJ especially if CIM happens. But there are always elements that can change the math. For instance, if it is a rub and tug place where service beyond a HJ is unusual and all the providers are capable of professional or near professional quality massage, then the girl will probably still be OK with $40-50 if she doesn't discuss the tip in advance of the service. The rub and tug culture is concretely different than the FS culture. The girls think of themselves as therapists who pride themselves in massage ability. Their expectations for tips are less and whatever delusionary system may be in place, they don't like to think of themselves as sex workers. In a FS environment, no question more money will be expected whether or not it is discussed. The girls are there to fuck, suck and get paid. If a girl doesn't negotiate in a FS place she is either being exceedingly cautious, or it is an expression of special respect and trust in you as a customer.

BTW, I don't mean to come across as some kind of totalitarian of tipping. There is always room for variation based on geography, the providers' attitude and quality of service along with other variables. However, what spurred this discussion was a detailed report from John who reported that he received A+ service (in his words) from a provider previously unknown to him in the heart of Los Angeles. Then he shockingly reveals that he wanted to get out of there without tipping at all. But apparently the girl got hold of his conscience and squeezed $15 out of him. John repents under the bright gaze of legendary Baldy's wisdom and experience and decency, then this other dude comes in and pats John on the back for his original attitude of trying to steal the service.

Also should be said to the ignorants in this place like this Idigs who said that $55 is enough for a HJ, it is fundamental to understand like 95% of us do, that the massage girl does not earn the $40 house fee. Usually only the tip and perhaps some small commission on top of that in some locations. So in this case the girl would clean the room, provide a professional quality massage and maybe a table shower, and then make you cum over a fulll hour for $15, not $55. You pay the house $40-50 to provide you the cover of legality, a place to do your deed, gather your providers and take the heat from LE, not to mention providing a genuinely therapeutic massage in many instances You don't have to pay the house. Instead you can choose to cruise the streets at all hours in your car, get serviced in the car, and take on all the risks that go along with that. Fine for many, but those are elements that many MP customers pay to avoid. Obviously if there were enough guys like Idigs out there going to MPs, it would not take long before the girls and MPs would either disappear or impose controls like up front tipping to be sure their services are not stolen. It is the opposite effect to overpaying.

Bottom line is an hour of quality rub and tug is a damn bargain in SoCal.[/QUOTE]Camel: This is one of the best articulated views of this aspect of the hobby I've read, and newbies in particular should study it, and conduct themselves accordingly. I'm frequently surprised by the number of folks who think it is appropriate to manipulate providers to, in effect, cheat them out of their due when they supply capable services. This attitude seems more prevalent in the hobby than other endeavors, and it should be discouraged. Everybody needs to get paid, hobbiests and providers alike. If you a strike a deal with a provider, bargain reasonably and don't welch. If you don't, don't welch on the implied understanding that the provider gets paid a reasonable amount.

[QUOTE=Timmah Smith;1349163]Went to a nice massage & Spa on Sepulveda across from In & out Burger. Place was very clean and seemingly legit. The massage therapist was in her 30's and Korean, she didn't protest my hand roaming up and down her leg. She gave a HJ with a donation of 4. $. Was very fast and rushed, the entire time she had her eyes on door making sure no one saw.[/QUOTE]Did she do it thru those oversize boxer shorts they give you?

[QUOTE=The Camel; 1348486]There are variables to figure in but generally if it is an all out committed BJ and not just a momentary oral tease, then you have moved up to the next step of service and tipping. The going rate would usually be $60 and I'll go higher for BBBJ especially if CIM happens. But there are always elements that can change the math. For instance, if it is a rub and tug place where service beyond a HJ is unusual and all the providers are capable of professional or near professional quality massage, then the girl will probably still be OK with $40-50 if she doesn't discuss the tip in advance of the service. The rub and tug culture is concretely different than the FS culture. The girls think of themselves as therapists who pride themselves in massage ability. Their expectations for tips are less and whatever delusionary system may be in place, they don't like to think of themselves as sex workers. In a FS environment, no question more money will be expected whether or not it is discussed. The girls are there to fuck, suck and get paid. If a girl doesn't negotiate in a FS place she is either being exceedingly cautious, or it is an expression of special respect and trust in you as a customer.

BTW, I don't mean to come across as some kind of totalitarian of tipping. There is always room for variation based on geography, the providers' attitude and quality of service along with other variables. However, what spurred this discussion was a detailed report from John who reported that he received A+ service (in his words) from a provider previously unknown to him in the heart of Los Angeles. Then he shockingly reveals that he wanted to get out of there without tipping at all. But apparently the girl got hold of his conscience and squeezed $15 out of him. John repents under the bright gaze of legendary Baldy's wisdom and experience and decency, then this other dude comes in and pats John on the back for his original attitude of trying to steal the service.

Also should be said to the ignorants in this place like this Idigs who said that $55 is enough for a HJ, it is fundamental to understand like 95% of us do, that the massage girl does not earn the $40 house fee. Usually only the tip and perhaps some small commission on top of that in some locations. So in this case the girl would clean the room, provide a professional quality massage and maybe a table shower, and then make you cum over a fulll hour for $15, not $55. You pay the house $40-50 to provide you the cover of legality, a place to do your deed, gather your providers and take the heat from LE, not to mention providing a genuinely therapeutic massage in many instances You don't have to pay the house. Instead you can choose to cruise the streets at all hours in your car, get serviced in the car, and take on all the risks that go along with that. Fine for many, but those are elements that many MP customers pay to avoid. Obviously if there were enough guys like Idigs out there going to MPs, it would not take long before the girls and MPs would either disappear or impose controls like up front tipping to be sure their services are not stolen. It is the opposite effect to overpaying.

Bottom line is an hour of quality rub and tug is a damn bargain in SoCal.[/QUOTE]Just the type of answer I was looking for.

I have a provider at a rub and tug place that I've met about 10 times and she's recently taken the massage to another level involving a BJ but she finishes me off with a HJ. The BJ is definitely a good one and the first time I experienced this I only had $40 in my pocket expecting the usual service. When I tipped her she was very happy with the tip and seems to continue to be happy. Being that the establishment is a usual rub and tug place your description seems to be spot on.

Thanks

Long time spectator, first time Monger.

Went to an AMP in Downey today. Read some reviews of the place and was intrigued so I went for it. Place is in a small strip mall. Tinted windows. You walk in and state the amount of time you want. $50 for half an hour. In comes a 30ish Korean woman with a short dress. She asks if I had been there before, I said it was my first time. After a few minutes of back and leg rubbing she asks me to flip over. From all the posts I have read, I knew this was the time to make my move. Haha. I started rubbing my hand up her leg and onto her really round tush. She giggled and said in a very heavy Korean accent,"This not your first time." At this point the folds the towel so that it's only covering my little monger. I continue rubbing her and happen to end up on her kitty. She's wearing a g-string, so some of her lip makes it out, and I touch it. She asks if she can touch my IT. I said of course. And off her g-string comes.

She then says,"You want?" and motions for a handjob. I say,"No. I want everything." She says,"everything next time, this is your first time." I continue rubbing her nicely trimmed kitty. She says "You are not new." I persist."I want everything." She says,"Ok, you have condom?" I"m like, uh no. She says, next time you bring condom. She says "Money first." She leaves and comes back with a condom. She lowers her dress, but didn't take it all off. I go to take her bra off and she motions no and pulls out her be-cups with amazingly long nipples. After a quick BBBJ, she puts condom on and straddles me. She lets me suck on her amzing nipples, and I ask her to go on bottom. She giggles and complies. I pound her and just before I bust, she seems in pain and pushes me off. No matter I still finished. Haha.

All in all great first experience. Will be back.

Needed a good massage and a release of "stress". So, I hit up my go to place where I know I'm going to get a great massage and HE. On broadway. 5 to the house and. 4 to Anna.

[QUOTE=The Camel; 1348486]There are variables to figure in but generally if it is an all out committed BJ and not just a momentary oral tease, then you have moved up to the next step of service and tipping. The going rate would usually be $60 and I'll go higher for BBBJ especially if CIM happens. But there are always elements that can change the math. For instance, if it is a rub and tug place where service beyond a HJ is unusual and all the providers are capable of professional or near professional quality massage, then the girl will probably still be OK with $40-50 if she doesn't discuss the tip in advance of the service. The rub and tug culture is concretely different than the FS culture. The girls think of themselves as therapists who pride themselves in massage ability. Their expectations for tips are less and whatever delusionary system may be in place, they don't like to think of themselves as sex workers. In a FS environment, no question more money will be expected whether or not it is discussed. The girls are there to fuck, suck and get paid. If a girl doesn't negotiate in a FS place she is either being exceedingly cautious, or it is an expression of special respect and trust in you as a customer.

BTW, I don't mean to come across as some kind of totalitarian of tipping. There is always room for variation based on geography, the providers' attitude and quality of service along with other variables. However, what spurred this discussion was a detailed report from John who reported that he received A+ service (in his words) from a provider previously unknown to him in the heart of Los Angeles. Then he shockingly reveals that he wanted to get out of there without tipping at all. But apparently the girl got hold of his conscience and squeezed $15 out of him. John repents under the bright gaze of legendary Baldy's wisdom and experience and decency, then this other dude comes in and pats John on the back for his original attitude of trying to steal the service.

Also should be said to the ignorants in this place like this Idigs who said that $55 is enough for a HJ, it is fundamental to understand like 95% of us do, that the massage girl does not earn the $40 house fee. Usually only the tip and perhaps some small commission on top of that in some locations. So in this case the girl would clean the room, provide a professional quality massage and maybe a table shower, and then make you cum over a fulll hour for $15, not $55. You pay the house $40-50 to provide you the cover of legality, a place to do your deed, gather your providers and take the heat from LE, not to mention providing a genuinely therapeutic massage in many instances You don't have to pay the house. Instead you can choose to cruise the streets at all hours in your car, get serviced in the car, and take on all the risks that go along with that. Fine for many, but those are elements that many MP customers pay to avoid. Obviously if there were enough guys like Idigs out there going to MPs, it would not take long before the girls and MPs would either disappear or impose controls like up front tipping to be sure their services are not stolen. It is the opposite effect to overpaying.

Bottom line is an hour of quality rub and tug is a damn bargain in SoCal.[/QUOTE]Camel,

I wanted to say that you covered all bases regarding tipping bro!

Your spot on with the analysis LOL

The prices here / SGV places are cheap no doubt. I still get a BBBJ from my girl on valley for. 5 total but that developed over 3 years. She never expected more and I never promised more but she gets a gift or two now and again.

FS for. 8-$ is normal in SGV from my girls as I have pd my time and money with all of them. It's nicer when there's 0 tension in the air. My other FS / HJ girl is. 6 for 2 pops so YMMV and they always welcome me back without attitude at all.

My. 02.

PC out

Great analysis. I'm here in Northern VA and don't have the luxury of as many options for a good price as you'all in SGV or LA have. I did live in Southern CA in my younger mongering days and have great memories.

In VA, I was recently fortunate enough to find a semi UTR provider who gives a great massage, BBBJ and FS if I want it at a reasonable price. Like PC, I gave the set amount early on and she provided enhanced services (perhaps because we clicked or something) without me expecting it. I had a brief conversation about it with her and explained I'd tip extra that time, but my budget was such that I'd probably often go for the lower end of the service. Over time, she seemed to be happy providing some of the extras without me providing the higher end tip. If you respect the provider, are pleasant, throw in a bit extra or a gift now and then, often both parties are going to be happy. The provider knows you, knows there's no risk, has a sure thing and like PC, receives me happily with no complaints. In the VA boards, we have Pilot Aviator who always ends his posts with "treat the ladies well" which in my experience nearly always works out.

[QUOTE=Pcpc1688; 1353519]Camel,

I wanted to say that you covered all bases regarding tipping bro!

Your spot on with the analysis LOL

The prices here / SGV places are cheap no doubt. I still get a BBBJ from my girl on valley for. 5 total but that developed over 3 years. She never expected more and I never promised more but she gets a gift or two now and again.

FS for. 8-$ is normal in SGV from my girls as I have pd my time and money with all of them. It's nicer when there's 0 tension in the air. My other FS / HJ girl is. 6 for 2 pops so YMMV and they always welcome me back without attitude at all.

My. 02.

PC out[/QUOTE]

Very eloquent post!

Thanks for sharing so many excellent comments

I was reading about the guy who was setting cars on fire in Hollywood, and it turns out his mom (originally from Russia) had an erotic MP, and her website ([url]http://www.hollywoodtantramassage.com/[/url]) makes it look like she was the one giving the massages. Here's an article about it:

[url]http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2012/01/burkhart_arson_massage_tantra_sex.php[/url]

I guess she's being charged in Germany for fraud for, among other things, not paying for her boob job.

Part of me is curious whether anyone here has been to see her! But what really made me go "hmm" is that this lady is Eastern European and providing services that I thought only Latinas and Asians give in this town. Is this a one-off type situation, or does anyone know of other establishments with European girls giving that kind of service?

2nd time with KIM.

140.

Smokes: No.

Services: FS, CBJ, BBHJ, DATY.

Review: I've seen Kim many times over the last year and have seen not so good reviews on her. I have been lucky to have broken through here quietness and have been rewarded well. I have told her that she needs to be more open with her clients or she is going to loose business.

I saw her quietness as a challenge and have been lucky with the reward. I joke around with her a lot especially when she answers the same question I ask her differently. I call her on it and she just laughs.

She has always responded well to DATY to the point where I have gotten her so worked up that she insists on 69. Once in this position she stays until she cums which is beautiful to experience with her.

She enjoys cg missionary and ds for your finish.

I know budgets are tight but if you can gain her trust with a few visits the reward is worth it.

[url]http://www.socalinsiders.com/posts/2464/body-rub/[/url]

I posted this on the BP thread and thought it be better to post this here since its more massage related. Any help would be nice.

Looking for a private masseuse.

Hey guys, I'm visiting LA for a week. Looking for a great massage with a nice HE. I got a few in mind from BP but wanted to see what you guys thought.

Anyone have any reviews from these ladies?

[url]http://losangeles.backpage.com/BodyR.ss-27/10611986[/url]

[url]http://losangeles.backpage.com/BodyR.ow-25/14570297[/url]

[url]http://losangeles.backpage.com/BodyR.ds-30/19874408[/url]

[url]http://losangeles.backpage.com/BodyR.ll-30/10082485[/url]

If anyone visits where I'm from, I can give you a few names as well!

Thanks in advance!

Tried out Peachful HC on Eagle Rock. Located in the corner of a small strip mall. Signage talking about massage and acupuncture, doors unlocked, fairly well lit. Signs of a legit operation. Provider Linda. Chinese. Middle-aged, nice smile, friendly. Went for 1/2 hr which should have been $30 but returned change such that she took $40. Massage didn't have a rhyme or reason to it, and she kept rubbing up to my ass, then moving the towel back to cover up. I made a comment after which she just removed the towel completely and would tease me between my legs. Flipped over and HJ2C. Low level GFE but wouldn't go beyond HJ without protection, which she didn't have. Friendly enough, higher level English than what I'm used to, so overall a good experience. Would go back just so see how much mileage.

This place is full service. Used to have a young cutie there but she retired to go to school. There is another location in eagle rock with young girls but the price is a bit outrageous compared to other FS shops in LA. PM for details, if your not a senior have something to trade other then MPs! I know most of the best around already.

[QUOTE=MarvinHinton;1356852]Tried out Peachful HC on Eagle Rock. Located in the corner of a small strip mall. Signage talking about massage and acupuncture, doors unlocked, fairly well lit. Signs of a legit operation. Provider Linda. Chinese. Middle-aged, nice smile, friendly. Went for 1/2 hr which should have been $30 but returned change such that she took $40. Massage didn't have a rhyme or reason to it, and she kept rubbing up to my ass, then moving the towel back to cover up. I made a comment after which she just removed the towel completely and would tease me between my legs. Flipped over and HJ2C. Low level GFE but wouldn't go beyond HJ without protection, which she didn't have. Friendly enough, higher level English than what I'm used to, so overall a good experience. Would go back just so see how much mileage.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Roddercake; 1354569]I was reading about the guy who was setting cars on fire in Hollywood, and it turns out his mom (originally from Russia) had an erotic MP, and her website (

[url]http://www.hollywoodtantramassage.com/[/url]

) makes it look like she was the one giving the massages. Here's an article about it:

[url]http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2012/01/burkhart_arson_massage_tantra_sex.php[/url]

I guess she's being charged in Germany for fraud for, among other things, not paying for her boob job.

Part of me is curious whether anyone here has been to see her! But what really made me go "hmm" is that this lady is Eastern European and providing services that I thought only Latinas and Asians give in this town. Is this a one-off type situation, or does anyone know of other establishments with European girls giving that kind of service?[/QUOTE]Too bad. Another black eye in the media for the sex biz. Too bad the general public doesn't get to hear about all the Mother Teresa type providers and Christ like hobbyists!

Anyway, this is not an MP. It is a private incall and not a storefront with an open sign. She's an incall callgirl. There are no ethnic limitations in L. A. When it comes to sex work offered away from the streets in private spaces.

[QUOTE=The Camel;1357683]Too bad. Another black eye in the media for the sex biz. Too bad the general public doesn't get to hear about all the Mother Teresa type providers and Christ like hobbyists![/QUOTE]Camel you should considered becoming an evangelist for the mongering hobby.

Amen

[QUOTE=PasadenaBobby;1336878]I have gotten extras at both. Ask for Hiromi on 12.[/QUOTE]You mean extras as in FS or just R&T?

Any good foot massage places around LAX? New job is keeping me away from my staple of OC area cheap rubdowns.

[QUOTE=Weissman 25;1359563]You mean extras as in FS or just R&T?[/QUOTE]R&T only. Sorry for any confusion.

I was bar hopping and driving by south LA around 2 am, I had seen this place before [url]http://laexpress.org/ads/special-40-2/[/url] Decided to give it a try, I called them up, a girl picked up the phone in Spanish, asked for price and she said ".40 baby, everything" since the price was so low I was not sure but. I was horny LOL so, I drove to main st. And El Segundo Blvd. Where she told me to, I called her again from the gas station, she said "go to 126th and main st, park your car, get off your car and call me again", guys, that was weird, I even asked her if it was a safe place, she said yes, but the neighborhood didn't look that nice by the way LOL, I just did what she told me (there is a church in that corner) , called her back and told me "look to your right side there will be a light on an off" LOL, anyway, it was true, that place is right in the corner, a guy opened the door, I could see they have cameras all over to see the streets. 2 latina girls showed up and had a chance to choose, well, guys, you can't expect premium meat for. 40 LOL, but it wasn't too bad, massage, CBJ, CFS, the girl's name is K*l, oh and a bottle of water to go LOL, when in a hurry I might stop by again.

[QUOTE=BayGuy7;1360486]2 latina girls showed up and had a chance to choose, well, guys, you can't expect premium meat for. 40 LOL, but it wasn't too bad, massage, CBJ, CFS,[/QUOTE]Was the total damage only 40 (no tip?)

[QUOTE=Livinitup;1360556]Was the total damage only 40 (no tip?)[/QUOTE]Yep, only. 40, no tip.

[QUOTE=BayGuy7;1360558]Yep, only. 40, no tip.[/QUOTE]Now that is a bargain. Wow! Nice report.

BALDY CRUISER :)