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Whoever caught it could have given it to many others. I will just get tested and do CFS for this month, until this blow over.
[QUOTE=QuestBMuffin;4555737]I posted about all of them, but the only one I didn't was Soy from 6 shop.
Another user confirmed a similar experience and only saw Nina, so I suspect it's her and that's what's she's been out for treatment. Play at your own risk folks.[/QUOTE]Did you inform the bookers of the gals you have seen just before and after you got tested?
[QUOTE=BBNovice2018;4557615]Whoever caught it could have given it to many others. I will just get tested and do CFS for this month, until this blow over. After that I will go see Nina and Jenny when they return. They will be well rested and hungry for business..[/QUOTE]You still can get it from a BBBJ.
[QUOTE=BBNovice2018;4557615]Whoever caught it could have given it to many others. I will just get tested and do CFS for this month, until this blow over. After that I will go see Nina and Jenny when they return. They will be well rested and hungry for business. .[/QUOTE]I can't speak for Nina but I'm sure it's not Jenny. I've seen her multiple times during the time period we're talking about and have had absolutely no sign of any infections. My cock, fingers and tongue have explored every inch of her body, inside and out and after my regular testing I'm clean as a whistle. She was off for several days but that was due to aunt Flow and not long enough to be because of anything else. I also have heard from several mongers that BBFS has become YMMV with her also. Not as easy as some seem to think. I know this may be anecdotal, as are all the recent reports, but I had to add my two cents and personal experience to this discussion.
As long as its not HIV then its all good! Chlamydia can be treated and goes away!
I hope people will speak out as well if there ever was an HIV outbreak.
To these girls getting creamed dozens of time each day know that if one of us had HIV, they would probably be infected? And yes I know it's not easy to catch but still.
Are they like "fuck it, I'll take the risk. Money is too good" ? Are they on PREP? Does Korea have such low HIV figures that it's not really seen as a serious concern?
V curious about all this. Because I can somewhat understand fucking for money. But fucking for money WITHOUT protection, and getting paid the same $? Seems like a total kamikaze move.
[QUOTE=KingNoctis;4557984]As long as its not HIV then its all good! Chlamydia can be treated and goes away!
I hope people will speak out as well if there ever was an HIV outbreak.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JoshFrank;4558328]To these girls getting creamed dozens of time each day know that if one of us had HIV, they would probably be infected? And yes I know it's not easy to catch but still.
Are they like "fuck it, I'll take the risk. Money is too good" ? Are they on PREP? Does Korea have such low HIV figures that it's not really seen as a serious concern?
V curious about all this. Because I can somewhat understand fucking for money. But fucking for money WITHOUT protection, and getting paid the same $? Seems like a total kamikaze move.[/QUOTE]The panic that HIV caused in the early eighties was blown so out of proportion. That's when unprotected sex became this dangerous thing to be afraid of. The reality is that HIV is rarely spread between heterosexual men and women and more rarely spread from women to men. That's a statistical fact straight from the CDC. The spreading of HIV is primarily from those sharing drug injection equipment. Homosexual men or from men to women. You have much less of a chance of contracting HIV than being hit by a car on the freeway on your way to visit the girls. HIV is no longer a death sentence but a car crash certainly can be. In all my years in the hobby at this level I never heard of one case of HIV being contracted. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened but not on any level comparable to those being killed on the freeways of L. A. Let's keep everything in perspective and not let our imaginations run amok. You would be making yourself safer by keeping your car in the garage than you would by not fucking a hot Korean (or any other nationality) girl.
[QUOTE=JoshFrank;4558328]To these girls getting creamed dozens of time each day know that if one of us had HIV, they would probably be infected? And yes I know it's not easy to catch but still.
Are they like "fuck it, I'll take the risk. Money is too good" ? Are they on PREP? Does Korea have such low HIV figures that it's not really seen as a serious concern?
V curious about all this. Because I can somewhat understand fucking for money. But fucking for money WITHOUT protection, and getting paid the same $? Seems like a total kamikaze move.[/QUOTE]Chances are extremely small from heterosexual intercourse, and it's no longer a death sentence by any stretch of the imagination. This is not a concern for me at all.
[QUOTE=JoshFrank;4558328]To these girls getting creamed dozens of time each day know that if one of us had HIV, they would probably be infected? And yes I know it's not easy to catch but still.
Are they like "fuck it, I'll take the risk. Money is too good" ? Are they on PREP? Does Korea have such low HIV figures that it's not really seen as a serious concern?
V curious about all this. Because I can somewhat understand fucking for money. But fucking for money WITHOUT protection, and getting paid the same $? Seems like a total kamikaze move.[/QUOTE]I think BBFS has been going on for awhile now in korea. I know it's available in select high end tokyo brothels also but generally they only provide that to locals (and its expensive around 700 for 2 hours but they are true young and pretty 21 year olds). The sex industry in tokyo is a sprawling network. Thousands of providers available daily, hundreds of managers, agents, and scouts keeping things moving. I'm pretty sure it's similar in korea. If there were instances of providers getting HIV from a customer I'm sure the story would spread like wildfire and BBFS would instantly be off the menu there. But it hasn't seemed to happen yet. Maybe it will in the future but hasn't yet so it's still on the menu. I think that's how some of the korean providers feel about BBFS in LA and SF in terms of the risk of HIV infection. It's a risk but a seemingly low risk since they actually haven't had to deal with it yet or even heard from yet from anyone they know (knock on wood). And I'm sure the moneys much better than if they only provided CFS.
[QUOTE=Toungsten;4558482]The panic that HIV caused in the early eighties was blown so out of proportion. That's when unprotected sex became this dangerous thing to be afraid of. The reality is that HIV is rarely spread between heterosexual men and women and more rarely spread from women to men. That's a statistical fact straight from the CDC. The spreading of HIV is primarily from those sharing drug injection equipment. Homosexual men or from men to women. You have much less of a chance of contracting HIV than being hit by a car on the freeway on your way to visit the girls. HIV is no longer a death sentence but a car crash certainly can be. In all my years in the hobby at this level I never heard of one case of HIV being contracted. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened but not on any level comparable to those being killed on the freeways of L. A. Let's keep everything in perspective and not let our imaginations run amok. You would be making yourself safer by keeping your car in the garage than you would by not fucking a hot Korean (or any other nationality) girl.[/QUOTE]How can I prevent getting HIV from anal or vaginal sex?
Use condoms the right way every time you have sex, take medicines to prevent or treat HIV if appropriate, choose less risky sexual behaviors, get tested for other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), and limit your number of sex partners. The more of these actions you take, the safer you can be.
Specifically, you can:
Use condoms the right way every time you have sex (see How well do condoms prevent HIV? Learn the right way to use a male condom. Reduce your number of sexual partners. This can lower your chances of having a sex partner who will transmit HIV to you. The more partners you have, the more likely you are to have a partner with HIV whose viral load is not suppressed or to have a sex partner with a sexually transmitted disease. Both of these factors can increase the risk of HIV transmission.
Talk to your doctor about pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP), taking HIV medicines daily to prevent HIV infection, if you are at very high risk for HIV. PrEP should be considered if you are HIV-negative and in an ongoing sexual relationship with an HIV-positive partner. PrEP also should be considered if you aren't in a mutually monogamous relationship with a partner who recently tested HIV-negative, and you are a: gay or bisexual man who has had anal sex without a condom or been diagnosed with an STD in the past 6 months;.
Man who has sex with both men and women;.
Or.
Heterosexual man or woman who does not regularly use condoms during sex with partners of unknown HIV status who are at very high risk of HIV infection (for example, people who inject drugs or women who have bisexual male partners).
Post-exposure prophylaxis (PEP) means taking HIV medicines after being potentially exposed to HIV to prevent becoming infected. If you're HIV-negative or don't know your HIV status and think you have recently been exposed to HIV during sex (for example, if the condom breaks), talk to your health care provider or an emergency room doctor about PEP right away (within 3 days). The sooner you start PEP, the better; every hour counts. If you're prescribed PEP, you'll need to take it once or twice daily for 28 days. Keep in mind that your chance of getting HIV is lower if your HIV-positive partner is taking medicine to treat HIV infection (called antiretroviral therapy, or ART) as prescribed and his or her viral load stays undetectable (see Does my HIV-positive partner's viral load affect my risk of getting HIV?
If you're HIV-negative and your partner is HIV-positive, encourage your partner to get and stay on treatment. If taken as prescribed, HIV medicine (ART) can make the amount of HIV in the blood (viral load) very low—so low that a test can't detect it (called an undetectable viral load). People with HIV who get and keep an undetectable viral load can stay healthy for many years and have effectively no risk of transmitting HIV to an HIV-negative partner through sex.
Choose less risky sexual behaviors. HIV is mainly spread by having anal or vaginal sex without a condom or without taking medicines to prevent or treat HIV. Receptive anal sex is the riskiest type of sex for getting HIV. It's possible for either partner—the partner inserting the penis in the anus (the top) or the partner receiving the penis (the bottom)—to get HIV, but it is much riskier for an.
HIV-negative partner to be the receptive partner. That's because the lining of the rectum is thin and may allow HIV to enter the body during anal sex.
Vaginal sex also carries a risk for getting HIV, though it is less risky than receptive anal sex. Most women who get HIV get it from vaginal sex, but men can also get HIV from vaginal sex.
In general, there is little to no risk of getting or transmitting HIV from oral sex. Theoretically, transmission of HIV is possible if an HIV-positive man ejaculates in his partner's mouth during oral sex. However, the risk is still very low, and much lower than with anal or vaginal sex. Factors that may increase the risk of transmitting HIV through oral sex are oral ulcers, bleeding gums, genital sores, and the presence of other STDs, which may or may not be visible. See How can I prevent getting HIV from oral sex?
Sexual activities that don't involve contact with body fluids (semen, vaginal fluid, or blood) carry no risk of HIV transmission but may pose a risk for other STDs.
Learn more about how to protect yourself, and get information tailored to meet your needs from CDC's HIV Risk Reduction Tool (BETA).
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/library/factsheets/cdc-hiv-safer-sex-101.pdf[/URL]
Conclusion: NEVER EVER have BARE BACK ANAL-I NEVER DO. Both vaginal BB and Anal BB carry some level of risk but there is more risk in contracting HIV through anal sex. It is a fact and article above is from CDC.
[QUOTE=Jack926;4558773]How can I prevent getting HIV from anal or vaginal sex?
Use condoms the right way every time you have sex, take medicines to prevent or treat HIV if appropriate, choose less risky sexual behaviors, get tested for other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), and limit your number of sex partners. The more of these actions you take, the safer you can be.
Specifically, you can:
Use condoms the right way every time you have sex (see How well do condoms prevent HIV? Learn the right way to use a male condom. Reduce your number of sexual partners. This can lower your chances of having a sex partner who will transmit HIV to you. The more partners you have, the more likely you are to have a partner with HIV whose viral load is not suppressed or to have a sex partner with a sexually transmitted disease. Both of these factors can increase the risk of HIV transmission..[/QUOTE]As I said the high risk for those who don't use condoms is with needle sharing partners or partners who have had sex with gay or bisexual men. The probability there is quite low. What is the probability of any of.
These Korean girls having sex with gay men. How many hobbyists who spend thousands of dollars are sharing needles in a back alley. Yes, the probability is a lot lower than a fatal accident on the freeway. The CDC will always err on the side of caution. The reality is that no one here has ever heard of a hobbyist contracting HIV from a KG. If it concerns you then wear a condom but that would put you in a different discussion group.
"The global condom market was valued at 6. 76 billion USA Dollars in 2017, and was projected to increase in value rapidly over the next several years as well. The global condom market was expected to be valued at 11.1 billion USA Dollars by 2023.
[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/739346/condom-market-value-worldwide/[/URL]
The condom companies are the ones scaring the people to the point that back in the 90's people "punters" were getting hand jobs with a condom on. There was some studies that I can't find the source that Doctors in Europe were saying that HIV was not a Sexual transmitted disease! Of course the condom companies when crazy and shut down those claims.
Newsflash: fucking a prostitute bare, regardless of her ethnic or social background, includes a certain amount of health risk. If you're on this forum, there's a good chance you partake in this risky endeavor, or are contemplating it (if not, why are you here? Specifically, having unprotected sex with women from Korea (or Asia). These aren't skanky street walkers possibly shooting up or servicing men sans prophylactic who do, so I'd reckon the risk those here take is even lower to become infected with the HIV virus. If you don't want to take that risk: DON'T, and go discuss why or the statistics about it etc somewhere else. For those who do: let's get back to the sharing of intel about hot Asian women. Enough of all this shit guys. Hopefully, if you're partaking in BBFS with providers, you've done your own research on possible preventive measures to take or other pertinent things of that nature and aren't using this forum as your source for AIDS info. Thank you.
[QUOTE=MKronos1;4555107]I'm still waiting on my results (chlamydia, gonorrhea and syphilis minus HSV test). HIV was negative but last girl I saw was 2 days before so I'll get it done again in a couple of weeks. I'll get full blood work done after the holidays. For incubation window purposes. If you want to know who I saw, PM me.[/QUOTE]My results finally came in and it's negative. My signs and symptoms disappeared; barely lasting a week.A bit of relief but again, I'll get tested again after the holidays to make sure.
I have a question, how do guys know the girls / guys (at GB's) are clean when you're with someone BBBJ / BBFS? I know you can get tested but most of the stuff has an incubation period and you can't guarantee they haven't been with anyone between the test and being with you? Is it a straight gamble or is there another way I'm not familiar with?
[QUOTE=Lono73;4569086]I have a question, how do guys know the girls / guys (at GB's) are clean when you're with someone BBBJ / BBFS? I know you can get tested but most of the stuff has an incubation period and you can't guarantee they haven't been with anyone between the test and being with you? Is it a straight gamble or is there another way I'm not familiar with?[/QUOTE]The girls first off are tested frequently, most of the group is the same way at least the regular ones. Not a perfect system but we haven't had a group incident or you would have heard about it. Not everyone including the girls do bfs at these either. To each their own as about a quarter of the guys do not do bfs at these and some of the girls do not do bfs. Everyone has their line in the sand and we all respect that. There has been accusations about girls before and they got tested with twenty four hours, none has come back where we had to set them out. Its taken very seriously being it can be the kiss of death to these types of events. Hope that answered your question.
[QUOTE=Lono73;4569086]I have a question, how do guys know the girls / guys (at GB's) are clean when you're with someone BBBJ / BBFS? I know you can get tested but most of the stuff has an incubation period and you can't guarantee they haven't been with anyone between the test and being with you? Is it a straight gamble or is there another way I'm not familiar with?[/QUOTE]100% straight gamble. As a multi-year lurker and one party attendee, I personally think you guys are crazy going BB while in the next breath complaining about pros and drug addicts. Esp going home to a wife. My party was covered and I still rushed to my OBGYN for a full panel. This is why uncovered with me will always be a no no. Good luck gentlemen!
[QUOTE=Lono73;4569086]I have a question, how do guys know the girls / guys (at GB's) are clean when you're with someone BBBJ / BBFS? I know you can get tested but most of the stuff has an incubation period and you can't guarantee they haven't been with anyone between the test and being with you? Is it a straight gamble or is there another way I'm not familiar with?[/QUOTE]Get ready for crickets.
I've been on Truvada since for ever and I've advised mongers to get on it and I've never had a response.
[QUOTE=PeteAppleSeed;4569465]Get ready for crickets.
I've been on Truvada since for ever and I've advised mongers to get on it and I've never had a response.[/QUOTE]What is Truvada?
[QUOTE=PhilMe143;4570154]What is Truvada?[/QUOTE]Truvada is a brand-name prescription medication that's used for treating HIV infection. It's also used for preventing HIV infection in people who have a high risk of getting HIV. This use, in which the treatment is given before the person may be exposed to HIV, is called pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP).
More common side effects.
The more common side effects of Truvada include:
* fatigue.
* depression.
* nausea.
* vomiting.
* diarrhea.
* dizziness.
* respiratory infections.
* sinus infection.
* rash.
* headache.
* trouble sleeping.
* sore throat.
* high cholesterol.
Serious side effects can include:
* bone loss.
* immune reconstitution syndrome.
* kidney problems.
* lactic acidosis.
* liver problems.
[QUOTE=PeteAppleSeed;4569465]Get ready for crickets.
I've been on Truvada since for ever and I've advised mongers to get on it and I've never had a response.[/QUOTE]Super good advice. Basically in plain English the drug. If you have HIV can prevent it's spread. If you DO NOT have HIV it will block you from getting it! The patent for the drug is expiring a year early and in Sept 2020 1 company will sell generic version of it in the US. Then later more companies will follow.
It is my opinion that when the drug becomes super cheap ala a few dollars daily that this could wipe off HIV if we can get everyone on board then no one could transmit it or receive it!
I'm not currently taking it when the generic is available I'm looking into it!
Kudos for bringing this up super good shit!
[QUOTE=Lookinatl;4570738]Super good advice. Basically in plain English the drug. If you have HIV can prevent it's spread. If you DO NOT have HIV it will block you from getting it! The patent for the drug is expiring a year early and in Sept 2020 1 company will sell generic version of it in the US. Then later more companies will follow.
It is my opinion that when the drug becomes super cheap ala a few dollars daily that this could wipe off HIV if we can get everyone on board then no one could transmit it or receive it!
I'm not currently taking it when the generic is available I'm looking into it!
Kudos for bringing this up super good shit![/QUOTE]Well, the effectiveness to prevent HIV infection for men is around 90%. A study for women showed a much less success rate. I also read one medical study that found if you acquired HIV while using Truvada, a different cocktails of meds would treat more effectively, something about viral tolerance.
[QUOTE=SgtSoros;4570218]Truvada is a brand-name prescription medication that's used for treating HIV infection. It's also used for preventing HIV infection in people who have a high risk of getting HIV. This use, in which the treatment is given before the person may be exposed to HIV, is called pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP).
[/QUOTE]Caveat: If you are very paranoid about catching HIV, then get on PrEP.
But for straight, non-intravenous drug using males, the risk of contracting HIV is very low. The risk of getting HIV from barebacking an HIV positive woman through PIV (penis in vagina) sex is 1 in 10,000 according to the CDC. Meaning that if you go bare with a woman who is confirmed to have HIV, you still only have a 1/10,000 chance of contracting it from her. Despite all the ads for Truvada trying to get people to take it (funded by the drug companies to make a profit), it's still very much a disease that almost exclusively affects gay men and needle users. And even with gay sex, it's much more likely for the receptive partner to contract it.
Even though having sex with prostitutes puts us in the "high risk category" according to doctors, I personally wouldn't get on PrEP. It's not worth the cost or side effects to me. But then again, I never go bare with any of these girls.
You're much more likely to contract herpes, gonorrhea, or chlamydia from these women. Fortunately, two of those can be cured by a single pill. Unfortunately, there is no vaccine for herpes yet.
[QUOTE=Zimbler;4572571]Yes, I texted with Cas a while ago when I was bored and asked if she would do BB with me. She replied "no" and told me it's because she has herpes. I'm glad she was honest with me through texts, but once she told me that there was no way I was going to see her. A guy who used to post on this board a lot posted pics of doing her bareback a couple of years ago.[/QUOTE]According to any health agency about 1/2 of all adults have Herpes.
[URL]http://www.ashasexualhealth.org/stdsstis/herpes/fast-facts-and-faqs/[/URL]
Which pretty much means %100 of providers have it. If the gal says she's having an outbreak, then stay away. Otherwise it's a given that all providers and mongers have it. ESPECIALLY the BBFS mongers.
The only danger really is the significant other dropping an anvil on your head when you fail to explain how she got HSP from you AFTER you were married.
[QUOTE=VirgilToole;4572377]You're much more likely to contract herpes, gonorrhea, or chlamydia from these women. Fortunately, two of those can be cured by a single pill. Unfortunately, there is no vaccine for herpes yet.[/QUOTE]There are unproven approaches to preventing and treating herpes. Since herpes is transmitted by skin to skin contact, skin barrier creams like Gloves in a Bottle might help. Washing immediately afterward might help, especially if using an antimicrobial soap like Defense Soap. There are a few anti-viral chemicals on the over-the-counter market for oral consumption. Monolaurin and BHT supposedly remove the outer coating of lipid coated viruses like herpes, exposing them to the body's immune system.
A study by Dr. Billigmann in 1995 concluded that protease enzymes showed identical efficacy with the drug acyclovir in treating Herpes zoster. Clinical trials of AHCC showed a 60% success rate in treating Human Papilloma Virus in women. A Japanese study found that vitamin D was more effective than a vaccine in preventing flu virus. Another study showed that "selenium inhibits the ability of all "herpes-family" viruses to reproduce". According to Dr. Weil, "Laboratory studies show that olive leaf extract has been reported to increase natural killer cell function against viruses like HIV, hepatitis B and C, and herpes".
For more info see the STD Prevention With Natural Antibiotics user blog.
So I was nervous when some other mongers said they tested positive for chlamydia. The common thread was One provider we all saw but, I got tested and it came back negative. This is after a 4 week wait period and blood with urine sample.
New girl I don't offer BBFS.
[QUOTE=J0516;4586515]Listen, coming from someone that "dreams" that works for a health department, just ease your mind and google "STI infection rates and means of transmission; CDC". I've done this for 7 years now, with some gaps in time of where my mongering cap was in temporary storage. With at least 7 BBCIP ladies and the rest covered FS. All BBBJ except a few when I first started, to where I have only caught something once and still unsure of whether it was a lady of the night or a random hook up while at college.
The CDC is solid with data as health department gets all reports ultimately sent to them for funding, research, and general data collection. I know I'm spewing a lot, but it's worth it for those who take the time to look into it themselves and see much of what you hear is extremely exaggerated. First off, remember that we are much more likely to infect them as we are transmitting semen and blood to an extent that they are truly an open tunnel of "take whatever the hell it is".
Like with HIV, the virus itself is low with heterosexual unprotected vaginal sex, but rates are crazy high with anything anal due to the easy tearing of the rectum, with the "receiver" having 3-4 x likelihood of becoming infected with an STI. The bottom line is that as long as long you're dwelling in heterosexual activity and staying clear from anything where you are the one being penetrated by someone else (no judgement cards being played; to each their own and I'm simply stating what anyone can search and verify), then you will likely contract a few STIs that are treatable, but anything to the extent of severe damage (I. E. HIV, genital warts) will take you just drawing the bad hand for that deal.
Here are some things to steer clear of as they are MUCH HIGHER odds of having something:
-any type of IV drug use is high risk. Be aware that you'll see higher rates with those who have the fewest track marks, as they are the ones who are still finding a veins, to where those with tons of marks are having issues to where a lot of them just start.
Snorting the drug.
-another risk factor is those who have BBFS, where all it takes is the one gentleman to have time with her to start that vicious cycle up.
-Those who appear in good health and put together are of course likely to be in better good health (appearance does go a long way with judgement) than those who look sickly, tired, beaten down, stressed, etc. Good health at least means an immune system that is holding things down, so I'd say take that into consideration as someone infected is much more likely to fall into those who let that same infection beat the shit out of their health until they get it addressed (by choice or forcefully I. E. Jail).[/QUOTE]So I consider myself to be the King of BB. It is my M. O. When I visit with these ladies of the night. I have doing this for almost 4 years now with NO STD's and I dumped loads into 29 ladies, and some I have been a regular with the entire time. Here is my personal plan (works for me, may not for others).
I get tested every 3 months, period. I use [URL]STDcheck.com[/URL].
I never do anything with a girl with trackmarks. I stop and leave. I also never give donations until its over.
I never do anything with a girl smelling like Starkiss Tuna! Same as above. She isn't clean.
I never negotiate BB until I meet her, then I drop it that I only do BB. Never had one say no as they want the money.
Best experience ever: I did get to do a MFM with one 2 years back and we took turns dropping our loads in her. I did 2, my buddy did 3. It was awesome. I wish she was still around.
[QUOTE=KD7771;4594290]She is very nice and I have done BBBJ, BBCIP, BBCIA ...all BB.[/QUOTE]Just a general caution against BB with anyone. I've gone BB with 2 girls and after one well-reviewed girl had bloody urine and a burning cock a week later, indicative of chlamydia or gonorrhea. Girls may legitimately think they're clean but some STDs are often asymptomatic.
This is absolutely nothing against that girl and am suggesting nothing about her in any way. I've never seen her but would like to. Just a caution to be careful in general based on personal experience.
From the BBFS providers' test results that I have seen, it's not 100%. I would guess 70% for hsv1 and 50% for hsv2. I think it's only porn stars % may approach 100%. They don't bother testing for that.
I have done BBFS from time to time and I am completely clean.
[QUOTE=Oramo;4572619]According to any health agency about 1/2 of all adults have Herpes.
[URL]http://www.ashasexualhealth.org/stdsstis/herpes/fast-facts-and-faqs/[/URL]
Which pretty much means %100 of providers have it. If the gal says she's having an outbreak, then stay away. Otherwise it's a given that all providers and mongers have it. ESPECIALLY the BBFS mongers.
The only danger really is the significant other dropping an anvil on your head when you fail to explain how she got HSP from you AFTER you were married.[/QUOTE]
Hope I'm not pissing on anybody's parade by bringing this up.
But.
With most stds (gono, chlamydia, syphillis) we take a pill and voila, they're gone. Most likely we know something's up soon after infection.
But how do you guys manage herpes 2? The genital one.
I am trying to figure out what the "responsible" way to go about this is- and I don't mean with k-girls or sex workers. I am talking just in general, with "normal" girls.
I am told that:
- HSV2 transmission can occur even if there's no visible sores (which frankly was my go-to method for figuring out if I was at risk).
- You can't test for it so even if you did the right thing with a serious GF and got a full board of STD tests, you'd still be shit-out-of-luck with HSV2.
- Condoms only partially protect you since it's skin-to-skin.
WTF?
Are we supposed to fuck and cry at the same time, while we pound a seemingly clean, pristine pussy, wondering if we are basically one thrust away from getting it?
I haven't had a single out break and have fucked a lot of chicks bare (mostly non-pros) but now I am wondering if I am one of those silent carriers and just don't know it.
Anyone willing to jump in and be the voice of reason? Prob not the sexiest topic thread but hey, I know it's on a lot of people's minds so let's clear the air.
[QUOTE=JoshFrank;4597951]Hope I'm not pissing on anybody's parade by bringing this up.
But.
With most stds (gono, chlamydia, syphillis) we take a pill and voila, they're gone. Most likely we know something's up soon after infection.
But how do you guys manage herpes 2? The genital one.
I am trying to figure out what the "responsible" way to go about this is- and I don't mean with k-girls or sex workers. I am talking just in general, with "normal" girls.
I am told that:
- HSV2 transmission can occur even if there's no visible sores (which frankly was my go-to method for figuring out if I was at risk).
- You can't test for it so even if you did the right thing with a serious GF and got a full board of STD tests, you'd still be shit-out-of-luck with HSV2.
- Condoms only partially protect you since it's skin-to-skin.
WTF?
Are we supposed to fuck and cry at the same time, while we pound a seemingly clean, pristine pussy, wondering if we are basically one thrust away from getting it?
I haven't had a single out break and have fucked a lot of chicks bare (mostly non-pros) but now I am wondering if I am one of those silent carriers and just don't know it.
Anyone willing to jump in and be the voice of reason? Prob not the sexiest topic thread but hey, I know it's on a lot of people's minds so let's clear the air.[/QUOTE]There will always be some element of risk from seeing pros in general and especially if you don't wrap it up. You just have to take a chance if you want to go with this route and there is a chance to catch something despite these girls get tested (I hope) and you yourself get tested regularly. If you feel this hobby is a bit much for you, you're going to have to either abstain or find a steady GF to BB with to eliminate any risk. Some of us are okay with these odds, some of us are not. This is up to you.
[QUOTE=JoshFrank;4597951]Hope I'm not pissing on anybody's parade by bringing this up.
But.
With most stds (gono, chlamydia, syphillis) we take a pill and voila, they're gone. Most likely we know something's up soon after infection.
But how do you guys manage herpes 2? The genital one.
I am trying to figure out what the "responsible" way to go about this is- and I don't mean with k-girls or sex workers. I am talking just in general, with "normal" girls.
I am told that:
- HSV2 transmission can occur even if there's no visible sores (which frankly was my go-to method for figuring out if I was at risk).
- You can't test for it so even if you did the right thing with a serious GF and got a full board of STD tests, you'd still be shit-out-of-luck with HSV2.
- Condoms only partially protect you since it's skin-to-skin.
WTF?
Are we supposed to fuck and cry at the same time, while we pound a seemingly clean, pristine pussy, wondering if we are basically one thrust away from getting it?
I haven't had a single out break and have fucked a lot of chicks bare (mostly non-pros) but now I am wondering if I am one of those silent carriers and just don't know it.
Anyone willing to jump in and be the voice of reason? Prob not the sexiest topic thread but hey, I know it's on a lot of people's minds so let's clear the air.[/QUOTE]I heard a doctor talking about how something less than 25% of people will ever show symptoms of hsv-2 and most likely most of the population who is sexually active have it.
Statistic may seem scary but you may be one of the lucky one. I don't know how but I am free of both after I got tested. I thought for sure I would have Herpes 1 as over 70% of people have it but I was pleasantly surprised that I don't have it.
[QUOTE=JoshFrank;4597951]Hope I'm not pissing on anybody's parade by bringing this up.
But.
With most stds (gono, chlamydia, syphillis) we take a pill and voila, they're gone. Most likely we know something's up soon after infection.
But how do you guys manage herpes 2? The genital one.
I am trying to figure out what the "responsible" way to go about this is- and I don't mean with k-girls or sex workers. I am talking just in general, with "normal" girls.
I am told that:
- HSV2 transmission can occur even if there's no visible sores (which frankly was my go-to method for figuring out if I was at risk).
- You can't test for it so even if you did the right thing with a serious GF and got a full board of STD tests, you'd still be shit-out-of-luck with HSV2.
- Condoms only partially protect you since it's skin-to-skin.
WTF?
Are we supposed to fuck and cry at the same time, while we pound a seemingly clean, pristine pussy, wondering if we are basically one thrust away from getting it?
I haven't had a single out break and have fucked a lot of chicks bare (mostly non-pros) but now I am wondering if I am one of those silent carriers and just don't know it.
Anyone willing to jump in and be the voice of reason? Prob not the sexiest topic thread but hey, I know it's on a lot of people's minds so let's clear the air.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SavannaAtl;4569303]100% straight gamble. As a multi-year lurker and one party attendee, I personally think you guys are crazy going BB while in the next breath complaining about pros and drug addicts. Esp going home to a wife. My party was covered and I still rushed to my OBGYN for a full panel. This is why uncovered with me will always be a no no. Good luck gentlemen![/QUOTE]Sorry I saw this post from last month and had to weigh in. A 100% straight gamble would be a coin flip where your odds are 50% either way. A trip to Vegas where the house has an edge puts you at a 55% chance of losing depending on how many sucker bets you place. I do bb at parties and with regulars but often switch it up and use a cover. There is always some risk but it's not as dire as a coin toss. See pic for odds.
[QUOTE=TallWilly;4617689]Sorry I saw this post from last month and had to weigh in. A 100% straight gamble would be a coin flip where your odds are 50% either way. A trip to Vegas where the house has an edge puts you at a 55% chance of losing depending on how many sucker bets you place. I do bb at parties and with regulars but often switch it up and use a cover. There is always some risk but it's not as dire as a coin toss. See pic for odds.[/QUOTE]The only odds I have a problem believing is if a HIV positive ejaculated in a negative bottom, I would think it would be an automatic positive. I am sure it is correct, but it shocks me.
[QUOTE=BlaneJames;4598161]I heard a doctor talking about how something less than 25% of people will ever show symptoms of hsv-2 and most likely most of the population who is sexually active have it.[/QUOTE]I heard many people who get it fight it off naturally. Sometimes it can even become immune in most. Its the odds like all the others. I also heard condoms do nothing for catching that, just your sac touching her vagina while wearing a hat still will transmit that way.
Do all mongers who get BBBJ eventually get herpes?
I am interested because I have the hardest time getting off via handjobs or covered BJs but fear herpes.
(I have to believe that 100 percent of SWs have oral herpes (cold sores) after working the streets for a few months).
[QUOTE=SkSoccer;4636346]Do all mongers who get BBBJ eventually get herpes?
I am interested because I have the hardest time getting off via handjobs or covered BJs but fear herpes.
(I have to believe that 100 percent of SWs have oral herpes (cold sores) after working the streets for a few months).[/QUOTE]I've been getting BBBJs from SWs for 25+ years and don't have herpes.
However, it's absolutely possible you get it first time out. It's luck of the draw, and a little common sense. Don't let a girl with obvious mouth sores go down on you. But you usually won't see it coming.