The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

[QUOTE=ChasingPuppy;4313444]As someone who has posted reviews here, I get asked this fairly often. Usually it's by guys who think of SBs more as escorts and to be fair some of them are very much like escorts. That being said, my feeling is that even escorts have the right to decide how they want to be contacted and these girls have all selected Seeking as their contact choice. It may not be what you or some other guy prefers and it definitely costs money, but it's not my business to make that choice for someone else.

Most of these girls I stop seeing and tell them that I have decided to stop sugaring for a while. It's a harmless lie in my opinion. But I would never really ask them if it was ok to share their number with a total stranger. You could be anyone. Why would I recommend you to someone? I post the good and the bad about the girls I have seen to help guys know what they are getting into. That seems like enough to me. And to be completely honest, to me 90 a month is a small price to pay to get access to these girls. YMMV.[/QUOTE]I am with you Puppy, I think there is a difference between giving reviews so that we can make informed decisions, and giving girls #s to someone you don't know when they can fork out the membership fee to contact the girls themselves. Not sure why the original poster would give $100 to a girl, who he doesn't know for an initial meet because she is in need. How would he know that. Spoils it for the rest of us.

[QUOTE=ChasingPuppy;4313444]As someone who has posted reviews here, I get asked this fairly often. Usually it's by guys who think of SBs more as escorts and to be fair some of them are very much like escorts. That being said, my feeling is that even escorts have the right to decide how they want to be contacted and these girls have all selected Seeking as their contact choice. It may not be what you or some other guy prefers and it definitely costs money, but it's not my business to make that choice for someone else.

Most of these girls I stop seeing and tell them that I have decided to stop sugaring for a while. It's a harmless lie in my opinion. But I would never really ask them if it was ok to share their number with a total stranger. You could be anyone. Why would I recommend you to someone? I post the good and the bad about the girls I have seen to help guys know what they are getting into. That seems like enough to me. And to be completely honest, to me 90 a month is a small price to pay to get access to these girls. YMMV.[/QUOTE]Totally AGREE. The $90/ month is for the sport / entertainment of sifting through the profiles (the good and the bad), and there is a lot of good if you are interested in and open to a SD scenario vs trying to find an alternative to Backpage. There is plenty of value in sharing info and helping each other sift through the profiles, but sharing contact info (other than referring someone to a profile) is way over the line in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Happy1967;4313005]Real girls that are looking for someone to help them on the side so that they don't have to have a job during their studies or maybe a single mom looking for some additional help just doesn't seem to exist on those sites. I guess a lot of things have changed in the past 3 years. [/QUOTE]Amateur escorts are escorts, they always have been you just didn't call them that so they could pretend they weren't. Guys didn't use to delude themselves, they knew those low volume chicks were hookers but they called them girlfriends. Fosta / Sesta and want to be sugar daddies changed the game for advertising. Most of these chicks advertise on multiple sites, they see anybody who has the coin yet because they are on a "SD / SB" site some guys insist they aren't hookers so they don't have to admit to being johns.

I don't care how you work your hustle but this idea that chicks who wouldn't fuck you if you don't pay them aren't hookers is kinda ruining the game. I even have chicks writing me objecting to being called prostitutes and when I point out that their business is selling pussy they actually say "yes, but that doesn't make me a prostitute" and they think it's true. I don't get it, but that's how it is.

If I was an actual sugar daddy like you appear to be I'd fuck a bunch of them until I found one that I liked fucking more than the rest (understanding that like means more than just sex) and then I'd get her on retainer.

Hope that helps.

A2.

[QUOTE=ADreamer;4251590]I cannot agree more with every word what BartonFink has already reviewed.

A real sweet and caring person. As per the alcohol problem, yes she has to down a lot of whiskey shots. She is not drunk though. I think its part of her troubled past now. Watchout for the expensive drink tab as part of the lunch / dinner date.

Can host after. In my dream, treated me like a BF. Really enjoyed DFK. And second base. For some reason didnot let me proceed to third base. But I'm not complaining for a first meet.[/QUOTE]She's no longer available, apparently she has a boyfriend now. Bummer.

The bowl is in a bit of a Summer Slump (kinda reassuring since it does indicate that many were / are actually students), leaving a few locals plus the semi-pros and rinsers (including foreign / out of state trying to sell pics). Still entertaining though.

I agree with A2. They are all in the game, whether they know it and / or admit it, or not.

[URL]https://www.letstalksugar.com/sugar-101/whats-a-rinser-sugar-baby/[/URL]

Anyone else getting the "my usual is 600" or "I've never met for less than 700" responses? It's funny because 2 years ago both were singing different times. Guess one guy was a sucker and now it's the Good Standard for them.

[QUOTE=Svt4628;4315920]Anyone else getting the "my usual is 600" or "I've never met for less than 700" responses? It's funny because 2 years ago both were singing different times. Guess one guy was a sucker and now it's the Good Standard for them.[/QUOTE]I've had girls tell me they never take less than $1,500 - $10,000 per meet. It's all I could do to keep from laughing at the coffee shop table.

It's just like buying a car. She's quoting retail, you hit her back with the lowest black book price. She'll turn you down, but give her a week (or less) and she'll call you back with a lower offer.

If you're charming and can fake concern and sincerity, she'll keep your number in her back pocket and reach out to you when she's needy.

[QUOTE=Svt4628;4315920]Anyone else getting the "my usual is 600" or "I've never met for less than 700" responses? It's funny because 2 years ago both were singing different times. Guess one guy was a sucker and now it's the Good Standard for them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BartonFink;4315951]It's just like buying a car. She's quoting retail, you hit her back with the lowest black book price. She'll turn you down, but give her a week (or less) and she'll call you back with a lower offer.

If you're charming and can fake concern and sincerity, she'll keep your number in her back pocket and reach out to you when she's needy.[/QUOTE]Yeah it's all a game of negotiation but I find it humorous when they throw out the numbers and then act like they are meeting many guys who take the bait.

[QUOTE=Svt4628;4315965]Yeah it's all a game of negotiation but I find it humorous when they throw out the numbers and then act like they are meeting many guys who take the bait.[/QUOTE]There are definitely guys new to the bowl who overpay. Stories of those guys spread like wildfire on the SB forums and other SBs think they can get those amounts. They are fishing for a whale, as opposed to running around chasing minnows.

The UNC sorority SB spreadsheet a SB showed me last year contained $ amounts paid by SDs. Some would pay $25 or $50 for a M&G, others gave a store gift card, and some paid hundreds just to drink coffee with a hot girl. It looked to me like most guys gave nothing for a M&G.

Agreed with the posts below about the girls who quote outrageous dollar amounts. I give them what I'm willing to offer (far less) and they decline. I counter by pointing it that if they don't need the extra $ then so be it. And I move right along. If they'd rather spend hours a day chumming the SA waters in hopes they'll find an idiot who will pay 600-700 or more then they can't see the forest for the trees and aren't as smart as they think. All it takes is one guy to give them what they want and suddenly that's what a "true" SD looks like to them. So it's preaching to the choir I hope but don't overpay these girls. The funny thing is many of them are average at best and certainly not worth the Vegas prices they quote.

I'm not personally aware of the UNC sorority spreadsheet but I have no doubt it exists. And I suspect it's a game / competition with those girls to see who can extract maximum value for minimum effort. So I will avoid UNC girls like the plague from now on. Which sucks since I'm a UNC grad but there are plenty of other schools within reasonable distances!

I signed up again to the SA.

Now I find it lot of girls.

They usually asking $300-$1 k because they talking with each other.

I was able to go down $80-$200.

Most girls happy with $150 if not today they will be calling me after a week.

Also they have a Facebook page.

Rdu sugar baby. They are talking about guys.

[QUOTE=Ral613;4315239]The bowl is in a bit of a Summer Slump (kinda reassuring since it does indicate that many were / are actually students), leaving a few locals plus the semi-pros and rinsers (including foreign / out of state trying to sell pics). Still entertaining though.

I agree with A2. They are all in the game, whether they know it and / or admit it, or not.

[URL]https://www.letstalksugar.com/sugar-101/whats-a-rinser-sugar-baby/[/URL][/QUOTE]Another way to grab a positive from the negative; there's also a promising new group of college SBs that are in school out of state, and have returned home to NC needing to fundraise for beach trips, and next semester. Just requires a little more effort and digging.

[QUOTE=Anon336;4316889]I'm not personally aware of the UNC sorority spreadsheet but I have no doubt it exists. And I suspect it's a game / competition with those girls to see who can extract maximum value for minimum effort. So I will avoid UNC girls like the plague from now on. Which sucks since I'm a UNC grad but there are plenty of other schools within reasonable distances![/QUOTE]It's real.

Have you seen recent Daily Tar Heel article on sugaring? Several of the paper's staff are or were SBs. That's why the article was written.

A group of SBs meet at a Chapel Hill bar monthly to discuss SDs.

A trusted SB filled me in on all of this, including showing me the SD spreadsheet.

The group who meet and connect don't consider themselves to be escorts, even though some of them will fuck for money. Most of them seem to be rinsers who love playing the game and exchanging notes on SDs.

Dealing with these girls is like owning a lioness as a pet. Never turn your back and you will be OK. Maybe.

[QUOTE=Truncated;4318183]It's real.

Have you seen recent Daily Tar Heel article on sugaring? Several of the paper's staff are or were SBs. That's why the article was written.

A group of SBs meet at a Chapel Hill bar monthly to discuss SDs.

A trusted SB filled me in on all of this, including showing me the SD spreadsheet.

The group who meet and connect don't consider themselves to be escorts, even though some of them will fuck for money. Most of them seem to be rinsers who love playing the game and exchanging notes on SDs.

Dealing with these girls is like owning a lioness as a pet. Never turn your back and you will be OK. Maybe.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the additional intel. Confirms my decision to avoid them. I did see the DTH article and I met a girl last year who was on staff at some point in time (she never told me that but I was able to glean that info from other sources). She told a couple of stories that strongly suggested she fucked for money LOL. We had drinks and she hinted at rent assistance but I didn't bite immediately because I had a couple other options I was working. Got a text the next day saying she definitely wanted to meet again and I suggested the following weekend. Never heard back. And the one thing I don't do is chase these girls so that was that. It's a shame it's gone from being about mutual fun to being about "lionesses" preying on weak men.

[QUOTE=Truncated;4318183]It's real.

Have you seen recent Daily Tar Heel article on sugaring? Several of the paper's staff are or were SBs. That's why the article was written.

A group of SBs meet at a Chapel Hill bar monthly to discuss SDs.

A trusted SB filled me in on all of this, including showing me the SD spreadsheet.

The group who meet and connect don't consider themselves to be escorts, even though some of them will fuck for money. Most of them seem to be rinsers who love playing the game and exchanging notes on SDs.

Dealing with these girls is like owning a lioness as a pet. Never turn your back and you will be OK. Maybe.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the additional intel. Confirms my decision to avoid them. I did see the DTH article and I met a girl last year who was on staff at some point in time (she never told me that but I was able to glean that info from other sources). She told a couple of stories that strongly suggested she fucked for money LOL. We had drinks and she hinted at rent assistance but I didn't bite immediately because I had a couple other options I was working. Got a text the next day saying she definitely wanted to meet again and I suggested the following weekend. Never heard back. And the one thing I don't do is chase these girls so that was that.

[QUOTE=Svt4628;4315965]Yeah it's all a game of negotiation but I find it humorous when they throw out the numbers and then act like they are meeting many guys who take the bait.[/QUOTE]When they reply with I usually get such and such but I will take this amount, that's when I just delete them. I can only imagine if there are idiots giving these girls monthly allowances, shopping sprees, tuition, ect. All kinds out there from women that desperately need money to rinsers, pros, the young and mislead by the false advertising of the site, extortionists, scam artists and on and on. The latest seems to be platonic but no matter what they are all attempting to sell themselves for money in one way or the other, the amazing part is the willingness to just post their pics on a social media site without even thinking about possible ramifications later, like somehow this is an acceptable practice as opposed to just getting a job and actually earning money.

It's real alright, and if I may add, per a trusted SB, many girls share one membership. You do not really know who you are chatting with. When a girl needs quick cash she gets on it for m&g money.

Happy fishing!

It's real.

Have you seen recent Daily Tar Heel article on sugaring? Several of the paper's staff are or were SBs. That's why the article was written.

A group of SBs meet at a Chapel Hill bar monthly to discuss SDs.

A trusted SB filled me in on all of this, including showing me the SD spreadsheet.

The group who meet and connect don't consider themselves to be escorts, even though some of them will fuck for money. Most of them seem to be rinsers who love playing the game and exchanging notes on SDs.

Dealing with these girls is like owning a lioness as a pet. Never turn your back and you will be OK. Maybe.

I agree. When there is money exchanged, that's prostitution. You can call it by a different name, but it still is what it is. LOL. Real sb / sd is when you do their home work for them after you have sex with them without any money involved. LOL. I have been using the prostitution approach on SA, and it has been highly successful.

[QUOTE=Admin2;4314887]Amateur escorts are escorts, they always have been you just didn't call them that so they could pretend they weren't. Guys didn't use to delude themselves, they knew those low volume chicks were hookers but they called them girlfriends. Fosta / Sesta and want to be sugar daddies changed the game for advertising. Most of these chicks advertise on multiple sites, they see anybody who has the coin yet because they are on a "SD / SB" site some guys insist they aren't hookers so they don't have to admit to being johns.

I don't care how you work your hustle but this idea that chicks who wouldn't fuck you if you don't pay them aren't hookers is kinda ruining the game. I even have chicks writing me objecting to being called prostitutes and when I point out that their business is selling pussy they actually say "yes, but that doesn't make me a prostitute" and they think it's true. I don't get it, but that's how it is.

If I was an actual sugar daddy like you appear to be I'd fuck a bunch of them until I found one that I liked fucking more than the rest (understanding that like means more than just sex) and then I'd get her on retainer.

Hope that helps.

A2.[/QUOTE]

I'm guessing her boyfriend caught her cheating with an African American gentleman.

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So I've come across someone I dated years ago and joined SA in the past week. I'm wondering the best way to play this? Didn't end on good terms but she was tall and quite good in the sack. Interested to see what others think.

[QUOTE=Euusa19;4275215]I never meet with her, but I texting with her she just want to meet at the man's club first even in the morning or afternoon. I try everything but she just saying man's club.

Something is not ok.

And she just want to I riding with her I am not seating in nobody car!!

Let me know if you can meet her.[/QUOTE]Hey again. Sorry for the late response. Yeah I thought the meeting at the strip club thing was weird. I talked to her for awhile and we hit it off. It was on a Sunday that we agreed to meet that following Saturday. Tuesday she told me if we could meet at a strip club in Cary. I agreed and then I get a message from her saying if we could meet Thursday night because she had a concert she was going to attend with a friend on Saturday. She said she liked to see women stripping and said that she worked as a bar tender somewhere. Also mentioned that she knew some of the strippers around Cary. I did voice verify with her and it seemed legit, but any girl could answer and say whatever to make you feel at ease and oh she did send more pictures as well. Something about everything seemed off. Honestly I just thought she was a stripper trying to get guys to come see her and pay for dances. I moved on after all this so I never took the plunge. Spidey senses were tingling so I moved on. Thanks for the info brother.

-Aztec.

[QUOTE=ElAzteca1992;4321478]Hey again. Sorry for the late response. Yeah I thought the meeting at the strip club thing was weird. I talked to her for awhile and we hit it off. It was on a Sunday that we agreed to meet that following Saturday. Tuesday she told me if we could meet at a strip club in Cary. I agreed and then I get a message from her saying if we could meet Thursday night because she had a concert she was going to attend with a friend on Saturday. She said she liked to see women stripping and said that she worked as a bar tender somewhere. Also mentioned that she knew some of the strippers around Cary. I did voice verify with her and it seemed legit, but any girl could answer and say whatever to make you feel at ease and oh she did send more pictures as well. Something about everything seemed off. Honestly I just thought she was a stripper trying to get guys to come see her and pay for dances. I moved on after all this so I never took the plunge. Spidey senses were tingling so I moved on. Thanks for the info brother.

-Aztec.[/QUOTE]Strip club managers routinely make the strippers post ads on Seeking (and elsewhere) to draw in customers.

That girl is just trying to make you a customer of the club. Don't fall for that crap.

[QUOTE=Dpepsi;4321307]So I've come across someone I dated years ago and joined SA in the past week. I'm wondering the best way to play this? Didn't end on good terms but she was tall and quite good in the sack. Interested to see what others think.[/QUOTE]Message her and tell her what you want?

The direct method is always best.

Take a chance. Even if it doesn't work out, at least you won't regret not trying.

Any info on this baby.

Raleighgirl90.

[URL]https://members.whatsyourprice.com/profile/7EgkDdnNPJD6rn10Z8XaowWM[/URL]

Cindy is back.

[QUOTE=Ral613;4332442]Cindy is back.[/QUOTE]I was thinking about trying to meet with cindylulu tonight, is she the Cindy you refer to as beware? I see there's a couple or more Cindys on SA.

I'm new to raleigh, but not new to the sugar bowl. I've been in the bowl for about 4 years before I moved to Raleigh. I recently joined again and lots of the ladies seem to have the figure 300 Ppm in mind. They all say that's what their last sd did. Is that the going rate around here? I'm from a smaller city and I used to get by on 100- 150 and the occasional 200. Are they getting 300 here or are these ladies just trying to start high expecting me to negotiate them down?

[QUOTE=Wheaton278;4336212]I'm new to raleigh, but not new to the sugar bowl. I've been in the bowl for about 4 years before I moved to Raleigh. I recently joined again and lots of the ladies seem to have the figure 300 Ppm in mind. They all say that's what their last sd did. Is that the going rate around here? I'm from a smaller city and I used to get by on 100- 150 and the occasional 200. Are they getting 300 here or are these ladies just trying to start high expecting me to negotiate them down?[/QUOTE]Many of them are pushing 400,500, even 700 these days. They network like crazy here too and some are in it for the game. It all depends on timing, need, and if they like you I think. The chapel hill girls have a spreadsheet per a couple of members here. Others are in packs as well. Good luck!

[QUOTE=JwCole;4335759]I was thinking about trying to meet with cindylulu tonight, is she the Cindy you refer to as beware? I see there's a couple or more Cindys on SA.[/QUOTE]Yep. That's the one.

[QUOTE=Wheaton278;4336212]I'm new to raleigh, but not new to the sugar bowl. I've been in the bowl for about 4 years before I moved to Raleigh. I recently joined again and lots of the ladies seem to have the figure 300 Ppm in mind. They all say that's what their last sd did. Is that the going rate around here? I'm from a smaller city and I used to get by on 100- 150 and the occasional 200. Are they getting 300 here or are these ladies just trying to start high expecting me to negotiate them down?[/QUOTE]Never accept their first offer. Remember everyone on there is a hooker if they are looking for money. Tell them exactly what you expect and no your not interested in buying their fake pics or paying them to go out for lunch ect. Tell them a platonic relationship is perfectly acceptable as long as they are not getting money from you.

Everybody needs to do this or these stupid delusional girls looking for a sucker will remain on there and unfortunately the number keeps growing.

[QUOTE=Svt4628;4336268]Many of them are pushing 400,500, even 700 these days. They network like crazy here too and some are in it for the game. It all depends on timing, need, and if they like you I think. The chapel hill girls have a spreadsheet per a couple of members here. Others are in packs as well. Good luck![/QUOTE]Packs is a good description.

Don't trust any SB unless you have a long term knowledge of her life.

We may have a winner for most GPS. This one is very modest in her request and has had two long term consistent men who provided her only 1500 per date.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/19f0c3a4-b570-4ef6-a560-5da6d837b165[/URL]

Any info about this girl?

I think she had other name before.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d2bcb2e0-ec4e-4d85-a5fe-2f02915e1b81[/URL]

[QUOTE=Svt4628;4339971]We may have a winner for most GPS. This one is very modest in her request and has had two long term consistent men who provided her only 1500 per date.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/19f0c3a4-b570-4ef6-a560-5da6d837b165[/URL][/QUOTE]Have talked with her before. Got down to 500 but there was no way I would consider even close to that. Attractive MILF type but I don't think she is aware of her competition. I don't think most on there in general are aware of the competition. I've talked to some on snap and when they wouldn't come down I showed them pics of girls more attractive than them that I genuinely had for less. They either rage quit and block me or they come to a more agreeable compromise.

I met this one. She is bigger than her photos, but she's real. Nice personality. Gave me a massage, BBBJ with DT and spent about 2 hrs at my place for one and a half. She would have stayed longer and done more, but she's a little bigger than I like my girls and I declined FS. She did appear clean and very nice. I'm sure she is seeing multiple people so maybe everybody already knows this information.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6df4e1d9-7c00-47bd-97de-041ce848c204[/URL]

I've met a few others that were really gorgeous that I'm going to continue to see. One for two and another for one and a half.

Last one has met and agreed to keep dating for a bit before we get down to business, and no gifts expected until then. Not really sharing their info, but more of what their motivation point is. I stop responding to anyone who asks more than three. I'm glad some of why'all can do that, but ill search a little lo her for the ones who aren't there yet.

[QUOTE=Svt4628;4339971]We may have a winner for most GPS. This one is very modest in her request and has had two long term consistent men who provided her only 1500 per date.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/19f0c3a4-b570-4ef6-a560-5da6d837b165[/URL][/QUOTE]So she says. Obviously they had no desire to continue or she would not be out there. When they get ridiculous so shouldn't you.

Make her a counter offer of 50.

[QUOTE=Svt4628;4339971]We may have a winner for most GPS. This one is very modest in her request and has had two long term consistent men who provided her only 1500 per date.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/19f0c3a4-b570-4ef6-a560-5da6d837b165[/URL][/QUOTE]I have met her, the pic are nice, but in person not as good. I passed after meeting.

[QUOTE=Raltime;4341301]I have met her, the pic are nice, but in person not as good. I passed after meeting.[/QUOTE]I met her. She's real. Great personality. I started seeing her last year. I moved away and her next guy was a surgeon. He treated her very well. She was never pushy or ever wanted to make me feel uncomfortable financially. What girl on there ever makes sure you're ok? They usually just demand gifts. The surgeon was the one who offered her 1500/ meet; she never came up with that number. She never acted like she was in a hurry when we met. We always had a great time together. I still talk to her from time to time. I don't know what you're used to but if you think she's big you've lost your mind. She's 130 lbs and 5'9. Her tits are E cups and all natural. She was a jackpot for me. This is a real person with a dynamite personality. I'd pay for that over a skinny 20 year old I can't relate to long term.

[QUOTE=Ral6969;4342133]I met her. She's real. Great personality. I started seeing her last year. I moved away and her next guy was a surgeon. He treated her very well. She was never pushy or ever wanted to make me feel uncomfortable financially. What girl on there ever makes sure you're ok? They usually just demand gifts. The surgeon was the one who offered her 1500/ meet; she never came up with that number. She never acted like she was in a hurry when we met. We always had a great time together. I still talk to her from time to time. I don't know what you're used to but if you think she's big you've lost your mind. She's 130 lbs and 5'9. Her tits are E cups and all natural. She was a jackpot for me. This is a real person with a dynamite personality. I'd pay for that over a skinny 20 year old I can't relate to long term.[/QUOTE]So what was your allowance? I talked to her last year and she had just had an accident but gave a similar number.