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Slim thick honey in Jonesboro
Link: [URL]https://listcrawler.eu/last_phone_post/4704720379[/URL].
I hit this one up late last night and the set up was easy and I could tell she aimed to please from the beginning. I pull up to the location she sent, her apartment and at the door she was wearing a tight shirt and some booty shorts and I could tell at that moment I was in for a treat. Dished out the number between 79 and 81 for the qv. She had a air mattress in her living room which was weird but first she started with a CBJ which was better them most she really didn't have a gag reflex so I was literally fucking her face at one point, next she got on top and she couldn't ride it for long but her ass was clapping on my lap and it was so fat and juicy I just grabbed hold and pounded her out, she is a champ. Next we move to doggy and this where her talents are shown most. I also forgot to say how nice her tits where they sit perfect a d you can do whatever. As I'm pounding in doggy she would look back occasionally prolly to make sure I didn't have a camera LOL. She start throwing that ass back it started clapping like gunshots I almost fell off the bed but I put that leg up and beat it down to lazy doggy and pulled out just in time for her to suck my load out and catch it on the face.
Pros- Nice soft body no flaws, freak, gets into it.
Cons- no recording, air mattress.
I highly recommend, also Send me recommendations in the Stockbridge Mcdonough Jonesboro etc. area.
I have always been a fan of Amber
[QUOTE=Jrody1;5619887]Amber Ashton isn't available RN however I'd like to point out Amber Ashton has lost some weight. I guess people stating their opinions about the belly has caused Amber to diet or something. Amber is an awesome option in whatever area she ploops in. Amber's rates have gone up slightly. Was $. 20 HHr and now is $. 50 HHR. No QVs. If Amber gets slimmer with that thick booty. I'd deed Amber a PAWG. Does BBBJ, RCG, CG, MSOG and the kat grips.
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[URL]https://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/amber-ashton-9194736953-233614[/URL][/QUOTE]I have seen her for years. Never a bad time. Very diligent about being clean. That is always appreciated. Room is always neat. She always smells great. Recommend.
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White BBW Porn Star Princess Havoc in Woodstock
[QUOTE=VMann7070;5623635]I have seen Princess twice now. She is up in Woodstock. The first time was for an hour. I got her name from Maytag Mandy. Princess has a pretty face and is easy to talk to. We took time to get to know each other. She loves to touch and lets you explore her body. When I saw her it was CBJ. She loved DATY and came a few times. We switched to missionary and she was really into it. I then switched to Doggy to get a great view of that big ass. Princess is cool and no drama. She hosts out of a house in Woodstock area. So far it's been lots of fun with her.[/QUOTE]Awesome. Glad you had an good experience with Princess. What was the damage? Aka the rates for princess in woodstock. She is now on tryst [URL]https://tryst.link/escort/princess-havoc[/URL] and I see the rates are $QV $. 50 HHR $$. 20 HR.
Lucky you got that # down
[QUOTE=AtlSlayer;5626031]Link: [URL]https://listcrawler.eu/last_phone_post/4704720379[/URL].
I hit this one up late last night and the set up was easy and I could tell she aimed to please from the beginning. I pull up to the location she sent, her apartment and at the door she was wearing a tight shirt and some booty shorts and I could tell at that moment I was in for a treat. Dished out the number between 79 and 81 for the qv. She had a air mattress in her living room which was weird but first she started with a CBJ which was better them most she really didn't have a gag reflex so I was literally fucking her face at one point, next she got on top and she couldn't ride it for long but her ass was clapping on my lap and it was so fat and juicy I just grabbed hold and pounded her out, she is a champ. Next we move to doggy and this where her talents are shown most. I also forgot to say how nice her tits where they sit perfect a d you can do whatever. As I'm pounding in doggy she would look back occasionally prolly to make sure I didn't have a camera LOL. She start throwing that ass back it started clapping like gunshots I almost fell off the bed but I put that leg up and beat it down to lazy doggy and pulled out just in time for her to suck my load out and catch it on the face.
Pros- Nice soft body no flaws, freak, gets into it.
Cons- no recording, air mattress.
I highly recommend, also Send me recommendations in the Stockbridge Mcdonough Jonesboro etc. area.[/QUOTE]Whenever I hit Her up I also Get the 100 Qv response. Bianca is nice whenever she's in town.
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Slim thick white PAWG Bentley From TN
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A few weeks ago during the games I saw that Bentley was in town. I initially thought it was fake but I did some digging and found this one to be legit. Any how here is some intel on Bentley:
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As you can see Bentley has been around for quite sometime now. Couple yrs as there are additional digits. Bentley is from Memphis TN however is apart of a crew in TN and was more than likely working with the shelinia sunshine etc crew...[/QUOTE]Adding this big booty PAWG from TN for future reference. If this one comes to ATL Bentley is a nice choice based on what I experienced.
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Big Booty Latina Mrs. Puertorico in riverdale jonesboro area
[QUOTE=Jrody1;5477266]Mrs. Puerto Rico has been on my radar for a while and I finally met her. Always wanted to pound her huge ass. Two step system to meet her. Her rates are 60 qv $hh $. 50 hr. She doesn't do BBBJ. Got her address and she isn't to far from big titty bbw cookie in Jonesboro. Got to her spot and it is a small house that looks a little ran through but it's not sketchy at all. The neighborhood she is in is good from what I saw. Got in and low and behold this thick mamacita wearing sandals. Beautiful toes that I wish I asked if she does foot jobs. Nice size tits. Thick ass. She does have a kid that looks to be 8 at the least. I wasn't expecting the kid to be inside this small house while getting service. The wall upon entering is pics of her kid and her kid was sitting on the couch. I started a conversation with this thick mamacita but she wasn't to keen on talking. Her accent is more Jamaican than the typical Latina accent. Face wise she is normal looking. Didn't have make up on glasses on hair done etc. Took me to the room where the bed is and she did a temperature test on me with one of those infrared thermometers. Obviously I am not sick but she took temp and we proceeded from there. She came off a bit grumpy and rude. Very serious per say but nice at the same time a bit. Undressed and she put the sound up so her kid doesn't hear us having sex. There is a bathroom connected to this room and it can be accessed from both sides. I saw that the other side was closed and then she closed our side of the bathroom door. Take note of this.
Start off with some head and phew while it lasted her head game is amazing! Her suction is SUPER tight. Sucking the life out of me and I had a bag on. Could dream how it would feel without the bag on. I loved the feeling. Head game on point but what I didn't like is she said she only give head to get hard then that is it. That is just trash right there. I really wanted more of the tight head game she gave but she stopped it short. She is not obliging to request. She gave me max a minute of head and stopped because I was hard. She lays down on her back for missionary and I go in. Pound her pussy and her pussy felt good. Got some good grip. Beautiful feet and nice soles. Her feet felt good to touch. Thick thights and no blemishes. Loved the sound of clapping against her ass. We then flip over to doggy. Ass from the back is so thick and huge. I wouldn't her claim of having a 54 inch booty. She starts rushing a bit in regards to me busting my nut. From the back the ass is so thick and juicy. She has a huge tat of a devil on her back right above her ass on her back. Super soft ass and she can take a pounding. After a bit I bust my nut in the bag and we both clean up. Back to the whole two way access for the bathroom in this small one story house. I opened the bathroom door and I saw the other side was open. The door isn't going to open itself and I already know the kid was in the house. This only alludes to her kid being in the bathroom while I was clapping this mamacita's thick ass cheeks. It means the kid knows her momma's ass is being clapped daily LOL. All I'm going to say is last I checked that side was closed. It only made me think the kid probably came in to listen in or something. To be quite honest that feeling sucked. I left after a bit and she was nicer now after the session to me. I wish her head was longer and she was more obliging to request. Headgame good but to short. Loved her thick juicy booty. I know she has a set of regulars. Her prices are good. She is decent for my taste but in my opinion I wouldn't repeat but others may.[/QUOTE]Adding thick ass booty mrs. Puertorico's latina self here. Stupid thick ass. Ass is in face 54 inches. She measured it in front of me to show off LOL. Big tits as well beautiful feet. She was a decent to good time. Somethings I didn't like. Such as the kid being in the room. Has had the same number for years since entering the game. If the kid being in the house isn't an issue of which the kid shouldn't be there on week days due to school. Given this week is thanksgiving kids are probably home. Didn't get backshots of this thick ass but the pussy is tight and the ass is thick asf. Even though Mrs. Puertorico isn't posting. You might get a response but for the most part regulars meet this one.
Latina Rosa also has a thick ass whom is in Marietta.
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White BBW Kelly Kash. YMMV. Very Limited!
[QUOTE=Jrody1;5642889]I've had Kelly in the past. The attitude needs some work but she has a thick ass etc. Not a repeat at all by any means. I already mentioned Kelly kash a while back. Even back in the day a few years ago people complained about this ones attitude and some had bad experiences. Is in a crew and is associated with Latina Roxie whom Plaidretina had a rushed experience. Added Roxie to the ripoff reports because on TER and on here Roxie associated with Kelly have been mentioned to be rushers. Yes Kelly has rushed some people. OF type as well. So Kelly is a YMMV.
[URL]https://escortbabylon.net/image_list/4704444896[/URL][/QUOTE]Adding Kelly Kash to this thread for future reference. Kelly Kash is ok but not the best. Attitude needs work, limited menu and I saw a recent review that Kelly is only doing one position in a session. So Kelly Kash is a YMMV. In the past Kelly Kash has gotten countless bad reviews in regards to rushing and being super basic and bishy. Be aware of that. Is only worth a qv. Is known to rush as well with Kelly's counterpart Latina Roxie whom I mentioned and posted in the rip off reports. Only thing going is the thick ass. No FIV or touching the pussy as it was back in the day. Limited as hell. Just be aware of that. Head game is ok to good for my taste when I had Kelly a while back. Not the best at all nor is a repeat or recommendation.
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Slim white blonde PAWG Jade In Buckhead
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Surprised no one has details on this one still. Has been in and out of ATL for the past year. I contacted Jade weeks ago. Saw this one posting on LC in Buckhead for a bit. I contacted Jade and got a prompt reply. Rates started at $$. 50 HHR. No QVs. I took the plunge with Jade even though somethings qued me to think this one might be iffy. Had the dinero and header her way after receiving the address. Gave my eta etc as per request. Arrived at her spot near Buckhead. After some chatting got to the room and met Blonde Jade at the door. Was gorgeous and welcomed me into the room. Chatted a bit before proceeding to do anything. No rush or attitude. Jade is about 5 foot 7, slim, nice tits and ass. After a bit got comfy on the bed for some head. Everything is covered BTW. Put my bag on and let her go to work. Head game is pretty good. Not the best but head game is good. After a while of head, playing with her ass and tits. Had her get on her back for missionary. Entered in and the pussy grips. Stroked her for a bit as I went in deeper. Folded her legs a bit and had no issues with me doing that. Feet felt nice and soft. Felt I was going to nut and had to have a view of that ass from the back. Had her get on top and bounce on my cock till I busted in the bag. Had a good time with Jade however I wouldn't repeat. Way to limited for a $$. 50 HHR session..[/QUOTE]Adding Blonde PAWG Jade whom was in Buckhead. Good experience but the limited is a tad limited for a $$.50 HHR session if I'm being quite honest. Hence not a repeat but I'd repeat Jade if I was inclined to. Ass is thick with a slim torso. Get's on top as well.
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Thick Booty BBW Brittany With The Tiger Tattoo From Nashville TN. Airport Area
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A month or 2 ago. Brittany was in town near the airport area. Did anyone meet this one when this one came to Atlanta? Big tits and a fat ass. Does have a gut. Rates started at $ for an incall.
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Black BBW. Thick Booty Shey aka Mesha in Norcross
Adding Johnny Mapalo's review of shey for for future reference in this thread:
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I got a feature with Keisha a month ago. First saw this chic posting a month ago and shot her a text for her rates and measurements. Her 1 and only pic in her ad at the time was very suspicious. I felt that the 1 pic was a fake and generic pic and it definitely was. When I asked her about it, she sent some other pics that were really her. Ok.
That fake pic looked absolutely nothing like her. I dismissed her for that nonsense and didn't get back to her until a week later. I text her from another number and she sent me her rates and real pics over this time without me asking. She wanted $60/80/100 and never gave me her measurements. Her menu seemed pretty limited as all she offered was basic covered services.
Maybe that's why her rates or so low? The only good thing she had going for her was that she was in an apartment. It was right on Jimmy Carter like a chic I've seen previously. The Jimmy Carter hoes are making a come back. LOL. I told her that I would come check her out and that I did some 2 hours later.
I text her once I was close to let her know and she text me back asking where I was. Once I actually arrived, I parked at the leasing office and text her that I was there. It was a huge apartment complex right on Jimmy Carter. She text back some 4 minutes later telling me to come to such and such building. Once I got to said building, I text again for the apartment number.
She relayed it over right away with no police questions asked. All communications were done via text. The sign of the times. I walked on over to her ok looking building and went downstairs to knock on her door. Her door swung open a few seconds later by a thick bodied chic wearing a tight neon colored dress and a black shower cap on her head. I hate those things!!
Do something with your hair and take that tacky ass shower cap off. Ridiculous!! I walked on it to a neat and clean moderately furnished apartment and said my greetings. She barely said much of anything back and closed the door behind me. She then told me to follow her back to a back bedroom and that I did while steering at her ass the whole time. This chic has a big ole ass that was popping out from under her dress. Wowsers!!
Once we got to her fully furnished non-smoking neat and clean room she sat down in a chair by a makeshift table. She had wet wipes, lube, condoms, and hand sanitizer on said table. Alrighty then. She was also chewing hard as hell or fast as hell on a piece of gum that she had in her mouth. There was no conversation flowing at all, as this chic begin to take a few whet wipes from out of the package.
Wasn't very friendly or talkative at all. She big booty didn't stink though, so that's a plus. If you want to get behind a big ole ass for the low low in a nice clean smoke-free apartment, she's all yours. I'll take a pass on this one though. She's at least worth a one and done. I'll give her "6" in looks, although her face looked pretty plain without all the makeup, and a "5" in service.
The video below has no username and the password is= keisha. So long you big booty sluts!
[URL]https://vimeo.com/650208400[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jrody1;5650786]That is Shey from back in the day. Would do 80 hhr sessions. I tried to meet shey a few months ago at her apartment. Shey was asking me for pics to meet. Was asking for pics once I arrived at the location. Load of BS and I left. Didn't get to clap her ass cheeks again. Been around for a long while. Same prices too. Personality wise yes Shey is a bit bland. Is ok overall experience wise. Nothing to rave about.
Also Shey had bigger breast back in the day as well. I think Shey had a reduction done. Massive tits back then.[/QUOTE]
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Shey has videos on LC as well BTW. I'll link some of them here:
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[URL]https://escortbabylon.net/video_view/7b03e9e06d9d2c8342d5e505990b16a0[/URL][/QUOTE]Shey has been around for quite some time now. Thick booty. Is a bit meh personality wise but has a nice thick ass, nice tits and is always looking good.
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Chanel aka Bonita Nina now going by Malaysia. Lithia Springs
[QUOTE=Jrody1;5576678]I do not know if anyone knew this one Chanel aka Bonita Nina is legit and was in Atlanta. A long time ago I checked this one out and all fell in a line of being legit. Has changed numbers twice in Atlanta. I contacted to set up a meeting and I have to say looking back it's weird. Kept reiterating the same questions. I ended up just calling to speak to this one. Glad I did. Chanel picks up and right off the bat comes off a bit rude. She starts asking questions. I answer them and said something LOL. Long story short gets extremely rude. Good grief I can't stand. I'm not sure if anyone else tried to book. This one is petty as a mofo. Still remember that attitude from over the phone a month ago LOL. Disgusting.
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Face wise is weird LOL. Fucked up nose and lips but mmmk. The attitude is no bueno. Big ass tits and ass though.[/QUOTE]I already did a report when I attempted to book this one. Is back in Atlanta again. Ad profile:
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I'm not sure if the attitude has cooled down. The rates started at $qv when I originally contacted. Not sure on rates currently. One lad met:
[QUOTE=Marcus07;5619879]Yea I tried this one. Had to call to get address. Semi cool and semi spaced out. Head was 10/10 super sloppy gagging almost puked and kept going and the noises. Backshot view is nice however can't take a pounding. Says she just got her tits done again and couldn't lay all the way down so I couldn't dig in as I wanted cause of the horrible arch. Won't be going back simply because of that. If I could go just for the head at a decent charge then I would but a bill for just head. Nope.[/QUOTE]Not sure on the legitimacy as there are no real details but lad does mention this one doesn't lay on the torso because of the boob job.
Not keen on meeting after my initial encounter attitude wise LOL.
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Wraith. Thick booty with the Star Tattoo. YMMV
[QUOTE=Heathpiff;5656094]I saw her a couple of months ago on Old National and she's not worth the hassle. The pics are real but she looks much different in person. Sloppy and unkept with her stomach hanging over her jeans. She was with her sister when I saw her and her sister looked better, which doesn't say much. Both looked like stoners.
$80 hh but that is still too much. Her ass is stupid phat but the she looked so dirty that it wasn't worth the time. When I saw her she was by the motel next to a restaurant named wraith.[/QUOTE]Well dam glad Wraith never sent me the address when I spoke to Wraith. Seemed so spaced out over the phone when speaking and came off rude. Oh well. Bad hygiene is a no bueno. Hence someone else said the last time they met Wraith. There was a bad odor. I guess Wraith is a YMMV. Thanks for the report.
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Latina BBW Mrs Puerto Rico. Ad profile
[QUOTE=Jrody1;5644856]Adding thick ass booty mrs. Puertorico's latina self here. Stupid thick ass. Ass is in face 54 inches. She measured it in front of me to show off LOL. Big tits as well beautiful feet. She was a decent to good time. Somethings I didn't like. Such as the kid being in the room. Has had the same number for years since entering the game. If the kid being in the house isn't an issue of which the kid shouldn't be there on week days due to school. Given this week is thanksgiving kids are probably home. Didn't get backshots of this thick ass but the pussy is tight and the ass is thick asf. Even though Mrs. Puertorico isn't posting. You might get a response but for the most part regulars meet this one.
Latina Rosa also has a thick ass whom is in Marietta.[/QUOTE]Made the mistake of not adding the contact / ad profile of Latina. Here it is:
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White BBW with a thick ass Little Miss Vixen in Lawrenceville. Does BBBJ
[QUOTE=Jrody1;5657729]Easy process to book Vixen. After somethings had settled I got to see this one. The rates for Vixen as I've stated start at $. 60 HHR before. Got a meeting setup and headed Vixen's way. Vixen was very nice and polite via communication. There were no communication issues in the sense of wasting time to get a meet in. Got the address to Vixen's location which is a house in Lawrenceville. Arrived at the house and Vixen opens the door. It is Vixen at the door and jee wiiz. Vixen with the makeup done and all is absolutely gorgeous. Looking exactly as the images in the ad. Vixen seems to be 5 foot 2, bbw, has a gut, hair done, pearl earrings on, tits on the smaller side, tattoo of a flower on the left side of the upper back, one massive thick ass. Ass is stupid thick. Talk about a natural ass that has a lot of plumpness protruding out.
Vixen was looking amazing however the inside of the house in some aspects was a bit messy. Just particular spots. One thing that I didn't like is that this house isn't Vixen's. It seems to be Vixen's parents or grandparent's house. Out of respect for the adults there and own the house. That is the main reason why I won't return and meet Vixen. Vixen is independent and working alone however. If you have no problem with that then by all means Vixen is good IMO. I didn't see any kids in the house but I saw some kids toys. Not sure if there are kids. I follow Vixen to the bedroom and it was good. The bed for me is a bit to low though. It's a one stack bed with no stand or anything holding the bed up. Or maybe it was just an air mattress on the ground. Had covers on it so I couldn't really tell in the dark room. No light was coming in as the window is blocked off. Just the led lights lighting up the room.[/QUOTE]Adding BBW Vixen to this thread. Absolutely gorgeous in person. Just a correction rates start at $QV. Was just stating HHR is $.60. No rush or clock watching. Awesome time. Thick as fuck ass. If I added the shot you'd understand LOL. Back shots? I do have but won't share. Enjoy. Only con for me was the location seems to be Vixen's parent's house which out of respect for them. I won't indulge with Vixen again due to location. Other than Vixen is good.
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BBW Latina Rosa In Marietta
[QUOTE=MassageAwesome;5671182]Thought I add this post to this section too because of her big ass.
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She was reviewed on here, which is why I was curious about. Hit her up earlier this morning since I couldn't contact any of my other regulars. I texted her and she replied within minutes. She lives in an apartment complex in Marietta I used to live when I was in that area. She has a cute face, nice tits, pecan skin tone, and a huge ass. Gave me a CBJ that felt pretty good. After a few minutes asked if she wanted me to continue the BJ or move on to FS. Opted for the latter; doggystyle. Ass is nice and soft. We alternated between that and her giving me a CBJ while I was on the bed and she was bent over standing up. Near the end I felt her teeth scraping a bit. But I busted during the BJ. I was hoping to do it on her huge ass. Afterwards I cleaned up and left. It was a good time. She was very sweet and I liked how she sucked my cock after bending her over (on more than one occasion). I was in and out in 15-20 min and total damage was 1. 2 for 30 min. I'd see her again if I couldn't contact anyone else.[/QUOTE]Ad profile:
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Glad you have a good time with Rosa. Agreed. Rosa is super nice and chill and her ass is stupid big and soft. Hygiene is good. Always smelling good. Nice sized pierce nipples as well. I bet you loved how Rosa smelled as well. Has a host of scents to spray. Yep Rosa's rates start at 70 qv. Did you have to change the bag from going to CBJ and the KAT? I love how Rosa twerks and shakes her ass when pounding it from the back. Nice view. So much ass! Rosa does extras BTW.