"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;3550940]Not a red flag for LE. So far, LE hasn't been an issue at all on SA. That may be changing with how popular this board has become though. Anyway, It does mean that you have a P4 P baby. Great if that's what you're looking for. Bad if you're looking for a non-pro, more innocent-type baby.[/QUOTE]So I keep wondering about p4 p phrase that seems to be a negative thing on the sb threads. P4 p was always associated witfh the escorts and there are plenty of those on the site. But it seems to me that what ever you workout its still p4 p. Whether a monthly allowance or weekly arrangement it still boils down to p4 p. Allowance or arrangement might be a less offensive term to an actual civy girl (non sex worker) but any way you cut its still p4 p.

[QUOTE=DaRiv;3550274]This one has been on my hook for about 3 days asking for the same thing. I've been slow playing it and my go by for a visit today after some cultivating. I'll let you guys know.

Typical story. Mother of two. Needs help for room. Yada yada yada.[/QUOTE]Chatted off and on all day. Set up a time to meet and she canceled. Set up a time for me to pick her up for some fun. Canceled. Keeps saying she needs $$ so badly and will "Do anything it takes". But really just wants a handout. Same typical BS story you hear Boo Hoo, Ex beat me, Job pays nothing. Keeps asking for Moneygram or Paypal. Don't bother guys.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3551055]So I keep wondering about p4 p phrase that seems to be a negative thing on the sb threads. P4 p was always associated witfh the escorts and there are plenty of those on the site. But it seems to me that what ever you workout its still p4 p. Whether a monthly allowance or weekly arrangement it still boils down to p4 p. Allowance or arrangement might be a less offensive term to an actual civy girl (non sex worker) but any way you cut its still p4 p.[/QUOTE]They hate P4 P because they're not getting "paid" to have sex. But they expect to be paid whether they have sex or not. But they are not escorts or hookers in their minds. These women have their own ideas what these terms mean:

NSA. No strings attached. Means it's just an arrangement, they get money and there is no long term commitment. Which is funny when they ask for an allowance.

FWB. Friends with benefits. Means they will sleep with you but they benefit from your money in an allowance or a per-meet gift.

Allowance. Month given to them to allow them to live their lives in the lifestyle they prefer, does not mean you get anything for it.

Gift. Something given, usually up front. When you see them for the promise of something later.

If they mention they want an allowance I shut them down. I've also had a few that say they're NSA and FWB and get hostile when you say you're not going to give them cash and prizes, like a game show. I guess they think they earned it by chatting with you on the site. Or they play the long game, chat with you and when you get ready to meet drop the "I have to borrow a car because my car has. " or "I am going to miss work tonight, can you help me out?

[QUOTE=Airmantroy;3550877]I'm fairly certain LE hasn't even attempted to use SA. They catch plenty on BP and it doesn't take nearly as much time. I wouldn't give her a direct answer, instead tell her you'll need to meet her before you make a decision on how much you are willing to invest in her future.

Any girls who jump straight to "how much" are more likely to be flaky as hell and have GPS though.

[blue]I'm pretty sure the cops ran a sting on SA recently, Arizona I think but I wouldn't bet on it.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]A2, It wouldn't surprise me if somewhere in this wonderful country a vice cop hasn't been jilted by a SB and decided it was good hunting grounds. There were several "18" yr old girls here in ATL that were in the now infamous area of town to avoid that suddenly disappeared from SA after they started doing a little age checking for the female members. I'm not a lawyer but I would venture to say that just offering an allowance is not going to get your name in the local paper as fast as actually meeting an underage girl. Still I wouldn't go mentioning specifics acts with the girl via chat, email or text until I had actually laid eyes on her in person. For LE to be active on SA would require a significant amount of time and resources to read and reply to the messages, then actually meet the guy, get him in their jurisdiction or have a multi jurisdictional type of deal going on. BP is soooooooo much easier for them, a few fake pics, and a phone number and a free post every few hours.

[QUOTE=Jeffinnatlanta;3551267]They hate P4 P because they're not getting "paid" to have sex. But they expect to be paid whether they have sex or not. But they are not escorts or hookers in their minds. These women have their own ideas what these terms mean:

NSA. No strings attached. Means it's just an arrangement, they get money and there is no long term commitment. Which is funny when they ask for an allowance.

FWB. Friends with benefits. Means they will sleep with you but they benefit from your money in an allowance or a per-meet gift.

Allowance. Month given to them to allow them to live their lives in the lifestyle they prefer, does not mean you get anything for it.

Gift. Something given, usually up front. When you see them for the promise of something later.

If they mention they want an allowance I shut them down. I've also had a few that say they're NSA and FWB and get hostile when you say you're not going to give them cash and prizes, like a game show. I guess they think they earned it by chatting with you on the site. Or they play the long game, chat with you and when you get ready to meet drop the "I have to borrow a car because my car has. " or "I am going to miss work tonight, can you help me out?[/QUOTE]I apparently didn't state it right. Its the mongers who seem to "she is a p4 p girl" have problems. My post was meant to state its all p4 p no matter which one of the terms you listed. A civy girl doing this for the first time has know idea as to the term p4 p or any of the escort terminology.

[QUOTE=Jeffinnatlanta;3551267]They hate P4 P because they're not getting "paid" to have sex. But they expect to be paid whether they have sex or not. But they are not escorts or hookers in their minds. These women have their own ideas what these terms mean:

NSA. No strings attached. Means it's just an arrangement, they get money and there is no long term commitment. Which is funny when they ask for an allowance.

FWB. Friends with benefits. Means they will sleep with you but they benefit from your money in an allowance or a per-meet gift.

Allowance. Month given to them to allow them to live their lives in the lifestyle they prefer, does not mean you get anything for it.

Gift. Something given, usually up front. When you see them for the promise of something later[/QUOTE]Very well said.

[QUOTE=DaRiv;3551141]Chatted off and on all day. Set up a time to meet and she canceled. Set up a time for me to pick her up for some fun. Canceled. Keeps saying she needs $$ so badly and will "Do anything it takes". But really just wants a handout. Same typical BS story you hear Boo Hoo, Ex beat me, Job pays nothing. Keeps asking for Moneygram or Paypal. Don't bother guys.[/QUOTE]Someone mentions pay in advance in any form, I sign off. Nothing good would ever come from it. That said, I've had a ton of fun with it, met 5 very nice ladies (great way to meet someone if you're going out of town) and look forward to more. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Allen981;3552057]Someone mentions pay in advance in any form, I sign off. Nothing good would ever come from it. That said, I've had a ton of fun with it, met 5 very nice ladies (great way to meet someone if you're going out of town) and look forward to more. Good luck.[/QUOTE]I just got this one girl I'm supposed to meet next Wednesday a 50 dollar gift card because she has been waiting for me to meet her for a while. We'll see how it goes.

[QUOTE=DaRiv;3551141]Chatted off and on all day. Set up a time to meet and she canceled. Set up a time for me to pick her up for some fun. Canceled. Keeps saying she needs $$ so badly and will "Do anything it takes". But really just wants a handout. Same typical BS story you hear Boo Hoo, Ex beat me, Job pays nothing. Keeps asking for Moneygram or Paypal. Don't bother guys.[/QUOTE]She is still hitting up my burner. I suspect so many other guys have already shut her down and put her on ignore. She from what I can tell is being a little bit genuine and is pretty new. She does not know any of the typical "code speak" if you will. QV or p4 p left her confused. Made it clear I'll never give her a dime without at least a face to face and even then if it's just for coffee or lunch it will end right there if she asks for $ without a mutual benefit. I dunno. Maybe she is coming around, maybe I'm wasting my time. I'll just slow play it and see if it ever amounts to anything. Probably won't but you can't win if you don't play.

So I have been on SA several weeks now. Apparently I lack game. LOL.

I've been stood up for two meetings, had a few just vanish and other almost laughable scenarios take place. I think one is that Shelby gal, the ex open star. Tata with some number on SA.

I've had one lunch meeting that may turn out to be good, but she was heavier than her picture a led on to be.

I've been conversing via text with a few. If it was not for work schedules, I would have already met some of them.

I can't host and it seems the ladies can't host either. This leaves me habits to get a room.

Here is my problem. I want to stay discreet or even anonymous. I don't want to give out my credit card for a charge to show up. I think I'm okay with using my identification but not certain if the address would be a problem.

I need recommendations from the gurus please. Help me be prepared please. I prefer a nicer hotel, not a motel 6 or similar.

Thanks in advance for your tutelage on this subject.

Edit. Sorry for the poor grammar. I really dislike typing on these little keyboard.

[QUOTE=SouthsideStan;3554102]So I have been on SA several weeks now. Apparently I lack game. LOL.

I've been stood up for two meetings, had a few just vanish and other almost laughable scenarios take place. I think one is that Shelby gal, the ex open star. Tata with some number on SA.

I've had one lunch meeting that may turn out to be good, but she was heavier than her picture a led on to be.

I've been conversing via text with a few. If it was not for work schedules, I would have already met some of them.

I can't host and it seems the ladies can't host either. This leaves me habits to get a room.

Here is my problem. I want to stay discreet or even anonymous. I don't want to give out my credit card for a charge to show up. I think I'm okay with using my identification but not certain if the address would be a problem.

I need recommendations from the gurus please. Help me be prepared please. I prefer a nicer hotel, not a motel 6 or similar.

Thanks in advance for your tutelage on this subject.

Edit. Sorry for the poor grammar. I really dislike typing on these little keyboard.[/QUOTE]I haven't posted a link to another thread, but we'll see. A2 can help me out if it goes awry. It has multiple thoughts from the collective on hotels and security.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]

Check the Richmond, VA board. There are extensive discussions on hotels, how to book, etc.

[QUOTE=SouthsideStan;3554102]So I have been on SA several weeks now. Apparently I lack game. LOL.

I've been stood up for two meetings, had a few just vanish and other almost laughable scenarios take place. I think one is that Shelby gal, the ex open star. Tata with some number on SA.

I've had one lunch meeting that may turn out to be good, but she was heavier than her picture a led on to be.

I've been conversing via text with a few. If it was not for work schedules, I would have already met some of them.

I can't host and it seems the ladies can't host either. This leaves me habits to get a room.

Here is my problem. I want to stay discreet or even anonymous. I don't want to give out my credit card for a charge to show up. I think I'm okay with using my identification but not certain if the address would be a problem.

I need recommendations from the gurus please. Help me be prepared please. I prefer a nicer hotel, not a motel 6 or similar.

Thanks in advance for your tutelage on this subject.

Edit. Sorry for the poor grammar. I really dislike typing on these little keyboard.[/QUOTE]

I'm looking at $75 a month for this, which is pretty high in my opinion. I've looked around and it's supposed to be around $50 a month. Is this normal? What am I doing wrong?

[QUOTE=FirstTimer097;3554571]I'm looking at $75 a month for this, which is pretty high in my opinion. I've looked around and it's supposed to be around $50 a month. Is this normal? What am I doing wrong?[/QUOTE]It's actually $80 a month. Personally, I think $80 a month for an unlimited supply of gorgeous college aged, tight bodied, fuck bunnies is a fantastic deal. As has been stated many times before, if $80 a month is too expensive for you, then you probably aren't going to have a whole lot of success. Nothing personal, but this isn't low life, bait and switch, flea bag hotel BP women we're talking about, sure there are a few of those on there, as well as GPS gold digger bitches, a few scammers. But by and large it's a plethora of pussy, with something for everyone. Anybody here who was a non-believer who joined and tried it will almost certainly agree.

[QUOTE=Airmantroy;3555007]It's actually $80 a month. Personally, I think $80 a month for an unlimited supply of gorgeous college aged, tight bodied, fuck bunnies is a fantastic deal. As has been stated many times before, if $80 a month is too expensive for you, then you probably aren't going to have a whole lot of success. Nothing personal, but this isn't low life, bait and switch, flea bag hotel BP women we're talking about, sure there are a few of those on there, as well as GPS gold digger bitches, a few scammers. But by and large it's a plethora of pussy, with something for everyone. Anybody here who was a non-believer who joined and tried it will almost certainly agree.[/QUOTE]Also, it is not like you need to pay that every month. My experience is joining once, having more than I can handle for 4 months. Work that pussy like it is going out of style, then start afresh 120 later with a whole new crop.

I literally have 6 girls non-pros I could text right now and be balls deep in an hour in one of them. In fact, I challenged myself just the other day. Challenge: Go from no plans to balls deep in a hot college girl in the next hour at all sorts of random times. I have always found a taker with the black-book I have created from just being an SA member once last Spring and once now.