FS was allowed back then?
[QUOTE=Sanctimonious6;5127481]The short answer is that some of the women who worked there in the early days were awesome enough to make it worth tolerating their boss, though to be honest, I never had any issues with him. He was usually hunkered in the office when I went there, and he generally responded promptly to my emails.[/QUOTE]Was Canyon FS? Or just like state st? I was not around in Madison in canyon days!
Have you been to AMP places in Texas or CA?
[QUOTE=GMan25;5129735]The answer to your question is, why does it matter if the old canyon was or wasn't FS? The placed has closed, and / or forever changed. The two best providers there, Yuna and Crystal went out on their own, and are probably still seeing clients (but at higher rates) in the Madison area. If someone replies yes it was FS, or replies, no it wasn't FS, the place no longer exists anyway. Also, what one place provides to one person with regards to added service, may or not be what they do or don't provide to another person. YMMV, is always in play, either to the one guy who doesn't play his cards right, or the one or two guys who are getting more than everyone else because they did something right. We have all been in each position, and hopefully, more often than not, we are able (I hope so anyway) to get FS from a place notorious for only providing HJ. The other thing is, it might not be FS, and the owner / manager / mms may be adamant about stating that it isn't FS, or reinforces that policy with providers, but once the door closes it is up to the provider what she wants to dish out. As far as I know, any place could be FS, but maybe it isn't FS for me. Or, a place where I get FS, constantly has reviews left by mongers saying all they got was a a HJ or ss. Etc. In those cases, I don't believe for a second I am the only one getting FS. I tend to believe the others getting FS know it isn't FS for most, and they don't want to run the risk of making owners suspicious, or see a clown car of mongers without any game, or courtesy bombarding the place. Sometimes, if the provider is giving you FS, and nobody else, or very few others are getting FS, they know someone blabbed if suddenly there is a massive increase in business and the guys are all too aggressive etc. Or seem to have inflated expectations. We share info, but we also don't want to create an awkward situation at place, or with providers. Saying X in Mt. Prospect, or the place in Spring Grove is FS is the norm, because FS is their norm. We usually get a good vibe, especially after a few visits if the menu is opening up. There are reasons why some places take a little bit of time, money and effort before the menu is open[/QUOTE]If this the business model. Then it is a crappy model. YMMV? Bullshit. If an AMP does not provide FS or if it does should be well established within 1 month of it being in existence. As for why am I interested? Looks like the old canyon is the new state street. Hence my curiosity to save myself disappointment!