The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/db77b924-ef76-4571-8965-ab1fd1433bf3[/URL]

Nice girl, very pretty, great attitude but her PPM expectations are very high at $1100

Almost met with her, I worked her down to 600. Pretty and nice, but at that allowance range there is younger and prettier. The play their game, we play ours.

[QUOTE=LikesGirls;6681162][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/db77b924-ef76-4571-8965-ab1fd1433bf3[/URL]

Nice girl, very pretty, great attitude but her PPM expectations are very high at $1100[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LikesGirls;6681162][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/db77b924-ef76-4571-8965-ab1fd1433bf3[/URL]

Nice girl, very pretty, great attitude but her PPM expectations are very high at $1100[/QUOTE]$1100?? Out of her GD mind.

I also could not get her to go below 700.

[QUOTE=ElectricHug;6681199]$1100?? Out of her GD mind.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElectricHug;6681199]$1100?? Out of her GD mind.[/QUOTE]Obviously it was a starting point, I'm sure she didn't expect me to say yes to that amount. But that's a long way from what I had in mind so we parted ways amicably.

This would be a good time to calibrate on what's a reasonable and realistic range of allowance in Raleigh area for a 2-3 hour meeting. Is 300-400 good enough?

[QUOTE=LikesGirls;6681276]Obviously it was a starting point, I'm sure she didn't expect me to say yes to that amount. But that's a long way from what I had in mind so we parted ways amicably.[/QUOTE]

It's more complicated than it used to be. Depends on her looks and how long she's been on. The longer she's been on the higher her expectations. You can low ball them when they are really new and don't know the market value. But after a while they eventually get a one time whale payment and that sets their new bar. Then they want over market. I'm mid 30's decent looking guy, decent game. I'd say generally attractive girls who know they are attractive won't take less than 500. I'm more inclined to say the attractive girl average is 5-600 first meet. Attraction is subjective but the ones I shoot for it's that. Really hot / attractive you can scoop for 800. This is all for a first meet. After a first meet you can negotiate more I've found. But the hot girls know they are hot and are looking for 600 for a first meet. I look for 4-5 hour to overnight meets though, multiple rounds. I don't even bother with meet and greet, come right to the room or I don't bother. So my requests require a premium to an extent. There are some insane ones looking for 1 k, especially in Charlotte. Charlotte is feeling the GPS for the hot ones. Don't get pissed saying I'm pushing the numbers up, I'm not, that's just the going rate for the hot ones now.

[QUOTE=Wizoz56;6681295]This would be a good time to calibrate on what's a reasonable and realistic range of allowance in Raleigh area for a 2-3 hour meeting. Is 300-400 good enough?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wizoz56;6681295]This would be a good time to calibrate on what's a reasonable and realistic range of allowance in Raleigh area for a 2-3 hour meeting. Is 300-400 good enough?[/QUOTE]I almost exclusively play in the $300-$500 range and this gets me fun / hot encounters with early 20's college students / grad students / young professionals with hot bodies.

There are a lot of variables to consider as well as whole lot of randomness.

I've met women from SA who refused to accept money; they just wanted casual sex.

I've met women from SA who claimed to get $5 K per month from a guy from the site.

There is also a ton of competition for the most desirable ladies. They are getting lots of messages and lots of offers. I don't think there is anything wrong with offering something that gets you noticed if you're after the models. That's capitalism.

All of us are after the unicorn. They exist but it may take a lot of patience.

Bachelor1234.

[QUOTE=LikesGirls;6681162][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/db77b924-ef76-4571-8965-ab1fd1433bf3[/URL]

Nice girl, very pretty, great attitude but her PPM expectations are very high at $1100[/QUOTE]1100,600, 700? Damn! She has upped her game a lot since I saw her. I feel like I practically got a pity fuck at this point!

Of course now I see why she didn't want to repeat with me. She is definitely a good looking and very cool girl. I would absolutely see her again and make it a regular thing but not at what you guys are getting quoted.

[QUOTE=Wizoz56;6681295]This would be a good time to calibrate on what's a reasonable and realistic range of allowance in Raleigh area for a 2-3 hour meeting. Is 300-400 good enough?[/QUOTE]I've been sticking to the 300-500 range. I would occasionally extend that but honestly some of my best experiences have been at the 300 mark. Unfortunately it seems to be a rarity now, at least for me. It seems lately like most girls won't entertain anything less than 500 or 600.

Some of the girls on SA have ultra high expectations in exchange for what they are bringing to the table. On the other hand, if a hot girl is throwing out a high number and guys are willing to pay I can't knock her game at all. Supply and demand is definitely in play for this marketplace but so is the law of diminishing returns.

I wonder how the other side of the equation plays into the amount that gets quoted, that is, if one is relatively fit, better than average looking, with decent conversation skills one probably gets better deal.

[QUOTE=Bh400;6681478]I've been sticking to the 300-500 range. I would occasionally extend that but honestly some of my best experiences have been at the 300 mark. Unfortunately it seems to be a rarity now, at least for me. It seems lately like most girls won't entertain anything less than 500 or 600.

Some of the girls on SA have ultra high expectations in exchange for what they are bringing to the table. On the other hand, if a hot girl is throwing out a high number and guys are willing to pay I can't knock her game at all. Supply and demand is definitely in play for this marketplace but so is the law of diminishing returns.[/QUOTE]

Has anyone here ever had a Public Meet Up and / or Arrangement with blueyedgirl07?

Back when I used to be very active, I'd constantly see her on that site, and she's been on SA for several years. From memory, always had this same pic. I have talked with her in the past on seeking, but when it came time to exchanging numbers or taking the convo outside SA, it always fell through. Just curious if anyone has seen her and what was she like in terms of IRL personality, chemistry, PPM, etc.

[QUOTE=Wizoz56;6681510]I wonder how the other side of the equation plays into the amount that gets quoted, that is, if one is relatively fit, better than average looking, with decent conversation skills one probably gets better deal.[/QUOTE]I suspect the SD's overall attitude and demeanor play an important role too.

[QUOTE=Wizoz56;6681295]This would be a good time to calibrate on what's a reasonable and realistic range of allowance in Raleigh area for a 2-3 hour meeting. Is 300-400 good enough?[/QUOTE]300 is getting harder and harder to make work, unless you are doing it as some kind of implied consistent allowance (so say $1200 a month to meet once a week).

350-500 does work well though. Like some of my friends in this thread, that has been getting me hot chicks in their early to mid twenties. I had a smoking hot 21 yo asian chick for about a year who would do overnights for 500. Anything above that level here and they either have to be extremely hot or you are doing something wrong in your approach.

That Gigi chick is out of her god damn fucking mind if she thinks she's a $700 chick nevermind four figures. I'm an average looking dude in my 50's and I match with chicks as hot if not hotter than her on vanilla dating apps. So why the fuck would I pay her? I would hesitate to even drop 350 on her. Unless you're in your 70's with a personality disorder you should never have to drop that on a weak chick like her.

For the less hot chicks, I have had some decent success getting consistent sex just for treating them nicely. I have also had some good success now getting sugar babies on the vanilla dating apps and those generally have lower gps as they aren't being messaged by hundreds of dudes on seeking. Easier for me to play that game being single, I know many of you are married and that is a riskier approach.

[QUOTE=SaintMan3500;6676095]Has anyone here seen Adessa1? She's been on Seeking Arrangements for More Than 5 YEARS, & has a large ESSAY of a profile. Looks wise, her PFP does look very attractive.

From pure Memory: I did reach out to her 2-3 years ago. And she was communicative in terms of text. At the time she wanted something substantial in terms of Money for a M&G. I decided not to meet due to IRL stuff and things beyond my control.[/QUOTE]I saw her during the height of Covid, like February-June 2020,3 times in a nice RDU hotel. You are right, she had a real bohemian vibe. We got along great, no M&G was required, straight to the FC. She stayed about 2 1/2 - 3 hours. I thing we drank, smoked some weed, had Chinese food & drank. Allowance was $400, tried to get her to take $300, when she wouldn't, I had 4-5 in my rotation at the time at $200-$300 & ghosted her.

Two of my buddies saw her before me. One had her drive to Fayetteville and gave her an extra $100, for the driving. She had put on just a couple of pounds since the first pic, more like the last two, but still great body. The sex was great, might have been BBBJ, CFS, loved to kiss & went nuts with DATY, got to love a cheering section. MSOG.

If I was going to see her again, I'd want to do a M&G, but only if unpaid. I don't do paid M&Gs. Only done a few, with the understanding if we click, right to my hotel for adult fun. This ain't Christian Mingle! LOL.

Good luck if you see her, love to see what you think.