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[QUOTE=Glockman;4226607]It's been a long time since I visited the Octagon. Gladly, nothing much seems to have changed. This is Colleen, my second time with her. I spent nearly six hours with her and another lady last Friday. As you can see, Colleen is a full Bush lady. Rare for me these days. She is also a spitter, but no one is perfect![/QUOTE]Nice!! Wish I could find a lady like that near me!
Hey Ceenote, you inbox / message list is full. I tried to respond to your PM from last night.........
[QUOTE=Ceenote;4232236]Just once I would love to see a negative report stand on it's own without having to see the follow up posts all piling on saying "that's not what I experienced". You either already had your say when you posted your own review or you chose not to report. This negative info now serves as the latest and greatest report so why not just let it stand?
In the case of the current debate going in the review thread, no one has gone against any claims that Kyla can seriously suck a dick or has the ability to fuck you silly. The report being disputed states that she is an addict and we're talking an IV drug injecting addict at that. This should not come as a surprise to anyone that has been in this game for more than a minute. Oh, except for you guys that think you are a better judge of character than most and only see the hookers who don't do hard drugs.
Addicts are good at telling great stories, but the stories told about this one on the clerk of court websites for multiple Ohio counties don't lie. Wake the fuck up![/QUOTE]I could see your point if I'd seen only Kyla once or twice in the past year and was trying to dispute it based on that, but I've seen her about a dozen times in the past year. Also, we're all kind of limited in discussing it here, in that we can't post her real name or links to public records.
I'm open to being proven wrong, though. If you or another monger has her real name, send me a PM and I'll check it out for myself.
[QUOTE=Ceenote;4232236]Just once I would love to see a negative report stand on it's own without having to see the follow up posts all piling on saying "that's not what I experienced". You either already had your say when you posted your own review or you chose not to report. This negative info now serves as the latest and greatest report so why not just let it stand?
In the case of the current debate going in the review thread, no one has gone against any claims that Kyla can seriously suck a dick or has the ability to fuck you silly. The report being disputed states that she is an addict and we're talking an IV drug injecting addict at that. This should not come as a surprise to anyone that has been in this game for more than a minute. Oh, except for you guys that think you are a better judge of character than most and only see the hookers who don't do hard drugs.
Addicts are good at telling great stories, but the stories told about this one on the clerk of court websites for multiple Ohio counties don't lie. Wake the fuck up![/QUOTE]An opinion cannot be right or wrong it is one person's experience and we can draw on it what we wish or not. I agree with Ceenote 100%. Take the provider out of the equation for a moment, if I think Captain Ds is the best fast food in the world it cannot change the fact that you hated it because it made you shit your brains out the only time you ate there. I saw Kyla once in a notel in Sharonville 2 years ago and have not been back, I thought the service was fair at best and the accommodations far below what I am comfortable with. I have seem all the positive reviews but I have not been back because I cannot get me only experience with her out of my mind. Apparently things have changed but I will not go back, that's my opinion.
[QUOTE=MontgomeryMm67;4232568]An opinion cannot be right or wrong it is one person's experience and we can draw on it what we wish or not. I agree with Ceenote 100%. Take the provider out of the equation for a moment, if I think Captain Ds is the best fast food in the world it cannot change the fact that you hated it because it made you shit your brains out the only time you ate there. I saw Kyla once in a notel in Sharonville 2 years ago and have not been back, I thought the service was fair at best and the accommodations far below what I am comfortable with. I have seem all the positive reviews but I have not been back because I cannot get me only experience with her out of my mind. Apparently things have changed but I will not go back, that's my opinion.[/QUOTE]I have seen a few providers over the years who have been using. I do not see the two that are still using, as it is just not as much fun. If we do some digging, we can find drug arrest info on various sites. That is helpful because it is often difficult to determine if someone is currently using. Bad teeth could be from using years ago.
For the two that have quit, I am glad that they have chosen to change the direction in their lives.
[QUOTE=Ceenote;4232236]Just once I would love to see a negative report stand on it's own without having to see the follow up posts all piling on saying "that's not what I experienced". You either already had your say when you posted your own review or you chose not to report. This negative info now serves as the latest and greatest report so why not just let it stand?
In the case of the current debate going in the review thread, no one has gone against any claims that Kyla can seriously suck a dick or has the ability to fuck you silly. The report being disputed states that she is an addict and we're talking an IV drug injecting addict at that. This should not come as a surprise to anyone that has been in this game for more than a minute. Oh, except for you guys that think you are a better judge of character than most and only see the hookers who don't do hard drugs.
Addicts are good at telling great stories, but the stories told about this one on the clerk of court websites for multiple Ohio counties don't lie. Wake the fuck up![/QUOTE]I stand by all of my reports about my actual dreams with providers, including Kyla.
But unfortunately, I too have independently learned that our beloved Kyla is well known to our least favorite uncles in multiple jurisdictions in the fair state of Ohio. Based on that info, it seems very likely that Kyla is in the hobby for pretty much the same reason as the vast majority of other providers.
I get no satisfaction out of saying it. She's always done right by me. But the facts are what they are.
Who was it that said silky committed suicide, you were wrong she has resurfaced.
From what I've seen, mongers in this city forget exactly what these girls are. This is why I find it funny when some shun SW's for USAA providers, and as I've said many, many times; they are the same girls, same everything, same reasons for seeing men, except one charges more. They are no cleaner, no better, no better looking, no better performing than a SW. You only see a SW when they need the fix, and they're not a dope sleep, same as any other type of provider. If you can reach her, AND she contacts you back, congrats, you caught her in need, and not knocked out on dope, and that can easily change any minute, or they've got someone else on the way.
I mean, people's own reports say everything you need to know. She was out of it, she smelled, ect, ect, the place was nasty, ect. And especially thinking they are somehow cleaner than SW's. The guys they see, also see SW's 100%. Bottom line, no source of girls is any different than any other, and these girls, are nothing but literal cum dumpsters, and shouldn't be thought of as anything more.
I've only met ONE provider that I could possibly see as maybe, possibly not on drugs, but I also 100% believe that she does. Because she provides.
[QUOTE=AroundCincy;4233880]I am not white knighting as obviously usage is a huge problem amongst the providers. However I think you are assuming they can make 200 $ a day on average and you are not factoring in their costs such as hotel room which low end is 60 $ day and decent starting around 125 $ a day. Factor around costs $100 a day for hotel, then burner phones / minutes, advertising would probably increase the daily average to around 110 $ a day for cost. (I am aware some providers use their own home / apartment I am not doing doctoral thesis on multiple provider business models).
Your projection of 70 k a year assumes they don't ever take a day off either.
Factoring in costs most providers make 75 dollars a day on average for the WHOLE YEAR which factors out to 28 k a year. I would say that salary represents the life style of most of the providers.
Other providers who are top notch pull in higher earnings but they are not the average provider.[/QUOTE]Drug addiction does not take a day off, neither do addicts. I find it hilarious that both you guys that responded to me think "days off" is a thing. There are no days off. Read the forum you'll see guys talk about appointments on Christmas, new years and any other holidays.
I've been "in the hobby" for 30 years things run in cycles, the cycle right now is drug abuse. The economy is great, jobs are plentiful. When the economy is bad you'd see single moms trying to take care of their kids, those situations do happen but they are hard to find these days and overall pretty rare. I agree there are exceptions to every rule but they are few and far between.
If you have to say "I'm not white knighting" then you are.
I'm not assuming they make 200 a day, in fact, they make way more than that seeing 6-10 guys a day everyday. I used 200 as a simple number that would take little if any effort to get to 70 k a year which would be a salary that a non addict could live very very comfortably on and I expect is more than a lot here make as the national average is 45 k a year.
Yes there are clean high end girls with 1000 dollar purses and super nice apartments, they won't see you for 100 bucks and are not who we are talking about.
I simply can't wrap my head around the fact that you guys think these girls aren't using drugs. It blows my mind. No 20 something year old is going to fuck a 70 year old dude for 100 bucks unless that money is going directly to drugs.
I'm not trying to demean or degrade any of the women, My whole point in bringing this up is that you need to keep your guard up, you need to expect that everyone you see is addicted and take the proper precautions. Once at a certain point of addiction, addicts will do literally anything to get that fix and "get better" including robbery, theft, kidnapping, and murder.
I'm done with topic, if you want to remain naive that's on you. Be safe out there guys.
Edit to add: I've met plenty of absolute sweethearts that swore up and down they didn't use only to find out later that they've been using for years. Good people, nice caring people, pretty, perfect teeth, One girl that I would have literally given anything too and taken care of her every need if only she'd give up the drugs. But the drugs are more important and if she was clean, she'd be way out of my league. I don't have any moral hangups about seeing a girl that uses, I don't think any less of them, I'm just careful about my safety and the security of my property.
[QUOTE=CockNumb;4233845]Who was it that said silky committed suicide, you were wrong she has resurfaced.[/QUOTE]There were lots of people saying that! That is great news but very confusing. Have you seen or talked to her?
[QUOTE=DaytonSteve;4234059]Drug addiction does not take a day off, neither do addicts. I find it hilarious that both you guys that responded to me think "days off" is a thing. There are no days off. Read the forum you'll see guys talk about appointments on Christmas, new years and any other holidays.
I've been "in the hobby" for 30 years things run in cycles, the cycle right now is drug abuse. The economy is great, jobs are plentiful. When the economy is bad you'd see single moms trying to take care of their kids, those situations do happen but they are hard to find these days and overall pretty rare. I agree there are exceptions to every rule but they are few and far between.
If you have to say "I'm not white knighting" then you are.
I'm not assuming they make 200 a day, in fact, they make way more than that seeing 6-10 guys a day everyday. I used 200 as a simple number that would take little if any effort to get to 70 k a year which would be a salary that a non addict could live very very comfortably on and I expect is more than a lot here make as the national average is 45 k a year.
Yes there are clean high end girls with 1000 dollar purses and super nice apartments, they won't see you for 100 bucks and are not who we are talking about.
I simply can't wrap my head around the fact that you guys think these girls aren't using drugs. It blows my mind. No 20 something year old is going to fuck a 70 year old dude for 100 bucks unless that money is going directly to drugs.
I'm not trying to demean or degrade any of the women, My whole point in bringing this up is that you need to keep your guard up, you need to expect that everyone you see is addicted and take the proper precautions. Once at a certain point of addiction, addicts will do literally anything to get that fix and "get better" including robbery, theft, kidnapping, and murder.
I'm done with topic, if you want to remain naive that's on you. Be safe out there guys.
Edit to add: I've met plenty of absolute sweethearts that swore up and down they didn't use only to find out later that they've been using for years. Good people, nice caring people, pretty, perfect teeth, One girl that I would have literally given anything too and taken care of her every need if only she'd give up the drugs. But the drugs are more important and if she was clean, she'd be way out of my league. I don't have any moral hangups about seeing a girl that uses, I don't think any less of them, I'm just careful about my safety and the security of my property.[/QUOTE]Even if it's not current use, it's because they can't easily get other jobs because of prior use and convictions. But then it becomes current use again pretty fast. Or sometimes methadone, suboxone or something else is keeping them technically clean for a while. I have seen a few get clean, but then they leave the business, except maybe in a few cases where they see old regulars they really like for a little extra money. I have seen at least a few get off and stay off drugs for an extended period (a relapse is always a risk, so I'm not going to say forever).
I stopped a long time ago paying attention to even the most impassioned claims of not using or no longer using drugs. I look for evidence instead -- like whether they're hitting me up for extra cash all the time, can they get and hold a job, are they in a position where they've got to get drug tested either to stay on parole or to pass a children's services screening to keep their kids (including buns in the oven). Even there, I'm assuming they're not finding fake pee on the black market. Even the job thing and leaving the business is not a guarantee. I'm sometimes pretty amazed at the ability of users to function in regular jobs, since I've seen so many who don't. But it is a very individual thing. I do think there are some cases where some have gotten clean and stayed that way. I hope I'm not deluding myself there.
It is different in a market like this with a low cost of living. You go to an expensive coastal city and you do find more of a mix of genuine students making a little extra money the easy way (relatively). Here, almost the only plausible reason is drug use in most cases. I guess I'm also assuming there are some SA sugar babies out there not using. That's also probably naive.
Not to be cynical, but I do recall a guy in a PM recently asking me if there were any signs of drug use for a provider. And I said something like: You mean besides having sex for money?
I don't think any less of them either, and obviously have gotten over moral hangups about seeing them. We've all got our issues, and mine is being attracted to bad girls with bad habits. What bothers me more though is knowing a couple who died of overdoses the past six months, people I really liked and who I know have family and friends who miss them a lot. Hell, I miss them, and I barely knew them. They would have done their thing ultimately with or without my money, but I still feel bad. One I knew was just struggling, and I really didn't have any idea how to help her, and honestly think she may have done it on purpose. The other I heard later had been trying to get on suboxone but didn't have the cash to start the program, and, hell, if I could have been convinced that was what it really was for, I would have given it to her. I guess, like with any stories, I have my doubts about that one, because she would have had the cash she needed if she'd spent what she'd gotten just from me on treatment instead of heroin.
Agree some woman do use drugs of various sorts. Some woman manager their finances like crap. Some woman are in a tough spot and fall into the profession out of desperation. Everyone has their own story. Some good. Some bad. Some sad.
Respectfully disagree regarding the broad drug use claim for providers or sugar babies. Majority of encounters are with woman who are not using. Quite a few are very savvy business women who used the profession to bank roll investments and parlay themselves into a better life. Sasha Black for example banked, invested, retired from the business a rather wealthy woman. Lillian Chi used her earnings to build a multi-million dollar business in Dallas. Summer Daze bought rental property in FLA.
As always YMMV. If your experience is one involving mostly druggies then maybe its time to upgrade the quality of the women you are opt'ing to see.
[QUOTE=WhereDreamsGo;4234392]Even if it's not current use, it's because they can't easily get other jobs because of prior use and convictions. But then it becomes current use again pretty fast. Or sometimes methadone, suboxone or something else is keeping them technically clean for a while. I have seen a few get clean, but then they leave the business, except maybe in a few cases where they see old regulars they really like for a little extra money. I have seen at least a few get off and stay off drugs for an extended period (a relapse is always a risk, so I'm not going to say forever).
It is different in a market like this with a low cost of living. You go to an expensive coastal city and you do find more of a mix of genuine students making a little extra money the easy way (relatively). Here, almost the only plausible reason is drug use in most cases. I guess I'm also assuming there are some SA sugar babies out there not using. That's also probably naive.
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[QUOTE=WanderingAbout;4234466]Agree some woman do use drugs of various sorts. Some woman manager their finances like crap. Some woman are in a tough spot and fall into the profession out of desperation. Everyone has their own story. Some good. Some bad. Some sad.
Respectfully disagree regarding the broad drug use claim for providers or sugar babies. Majority of encounters are with woman who are not using. Quite a few are very savvy business women who used the profession to bank roll investments and parlay themselves into a better life. Sasha Black for example banked, invested, retired from the business a rather wealthy woman. Lillian Chi used her earnings to build a multi-million dollar business in Dallas. Summer Daze bought rental property in FLA.
As always YMMV. If your experience is one involving mostly druggies then maybe its time to upgrade the quality of the women you are opt'ing to see.[/QUOTE]I have been with a few who own nice homes. One owns rental houses. One drives a Mercedes. One just loves sex.
LL.
Can you point to where you found this?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=CockNumb;4233845]Who was it that said silky committed suicide, you were wrong she has resurfaced.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cincy;4235556]Can you point to where you found this?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]I last saw Silky on Dec. 31,2013. I was very sad to hear that she had died. I did not hear that it was suicide, but there are lots of things that I don't hear. At one point in the last year or so, someone used her picture in an ad, something which I found in poor taste. If she is alive, that would be great news, but I would like to see some verification of the report.
[QUOTE=Golden3;4236097]I last saw Silky on Dec. 31,2013. I was very sad to hear that she had died. I did not hear that it was suicide, but there are lots of things that I don't hear. At one point in the last year or so, someone used her picture in an ad, something which I found in poor taste. If she is alive, that would be great news, but I would like to see some verification of the report.[/QUOTE]Nobody sent her picture in to a site. It was brought up back when it happened. Those site post picture all the Time of providers out of the business. I even saw Lady J had a post up. I think it was them.
It's not Silk. I saw her obit. When she passed away. She is unfortunately passed on and not coming back from the grave, folks.
[QUOTE=HillbillyBob;4236284]Nobody sent her picture in to a site. It was brought up back when it happened. Those site post picture all the Time of providers out of the business. I even saw Lady J had a post up. I think it was them.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NineIncher;4236543]It's not Silk. I saw her obit. When she passed away. She is unfortunately passed on and not coming back from the grave, folks.[/QUOTE]Produce the obituary lets see if you can.
[QUOTE=CockNumb;3406095]She is in Florida and wants nothing to do with anyone or this lifestyle she wants this part of her life to go away you have all been misinformed.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CockNumb;4233845]Who was it that said silky committed suicide, you were wrong she has resurfaced.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NineIncher;4236543]It's not Silk. I saw her obit. When she passed away. She is unfortunately passed on and not coming back from the grave, folks.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CockNumb;4237022]Produce the obituary lets see if you can.[/QUOTE]Seriously, why are you starting this up again? It doesn't matter whether Silky has died figuratively or literally. Either way just let the poor lady rest in peace. If "resurfaced" means open for business then make your report about it or let's move on to a new topic.
Well put, Ceenote.
[QUOTE=Ceenote;4237458]Seriously, why are you starting this up again? It doesn't matter whether Silky has died figuratively or literally. Either way just let the poor lady rest in peace. If "resurfaced" means open for business then make your report about it or let's move on to a new topic.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CockNumb;4237022]Produce the obituary lets see if you can.[/QUOTE]She is deceased I know her real name and I read the obituary. And she didn't commit suicide. HL29.
[QUOTE=CockNumb;4237022]Produce the obituary lets see if you can.[/QUOTE]I don't know anything to dispute this, other than speaking in person with several providers that knew her well that confirmed at the time. So either everyone is covering for her well or she really passed.
Everyone of you is absolutely right, no need to go on about this let it stop.
That's right end of story.
[QUOTE=CockNumb;4237022]Produce the obituary lets see if you can.[/QUOTE]I do know for a fact that BTBear is right, EB and Emonkey repost stuff and bring ads back to the front to make it look like they are on the forefront of the business. If you look close enough you will find ads from providers that have been retired for a long time or others who changed their numbers long ago, yet those ads resurface as well. This very discussion on Silky has occurred before because of this same issue with EB and Emonkey.
Second, someone else is right there was someone who ripped off Silky's photo and posted it on her ad to maybe get a few calls, but that didn't last long because of the backlash it created.
Third, I respect you Cocknumb as a senor, but instead of you throwing the gauntlet out to someone else to prove their right (and at the same time post personal information that is not allowed on this forum) why don't you call and visit with Silky and prove everyone else wrong.
I never met her. I don't know if she is gone or just retired. I wish no disrespect to those posting asking for proof one way or the other. But if she is gone let her rest in peace. If she is retired let her live in peace.
We all know that a lot, perhaps most providers and just about all porn stars have shaved mounds. But I'm curious to hear from you all, how common it is for women outside the hobby or porn videos to be shaved?
Is this just pretty much a hobby / porn type of thing? Is it also common among the younger women in general these days? The hobby is the only action I've been having for the past few years, so I can't say from first hand experience.
[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;4239107]We all know that a lot, perhaps most providers and just about all porn stars have shaved mounds. But I'm curious to hear from you all, how common it is for women outside the hobby or porn videos to be shaved?
Is this just pretty much a hobby / porn type of thing? Is it also common among the younger women in general these days? The hobby is the only action I've been having for the past few years, so I can't say from first hand experience.[/QUOTE]From my experience with both providers and other women is that the younger the woman, the likelihood is greater that she is shaved or at least trimmed. Having talked to a few, the notion is that shaving is "cleaner" because they don't get pee on their hair if there isn't any hair there. So guys are more willing to go down on them. That has never bothered me. I'll go down on a woman, shaved or bushy, for as long as she wants.
Been around long enough to remember having to part the hair to eat some pussy.
As long as it is clean, I don't care which way the woman is groomed.
It reminds me of an old joke, "What is the last thing you hear before a **** hair hits the floor? PFFFFT. ".
[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;4239107]We all know that a lot, perhaps most providers and just about all porn stars have shaved mounds. But I'm curious to hear from you all, how common it is for women outside the hobby or porn videos to be shaved?
Is this just pretty much a hobby / porn type of thing? Is it also common among the younger women in general these days? The hobby is the only action I've been having for the past few years, so I can't say from first hand experience.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BTBear;4239167]Been around long enough to remember having to part the hair to eat some pussy.
As long as it is clean, I don't care which way the woman is groomed.
It reminds me of an old joke, "What is the last thing you hear before a **** hair hits the floor? PFFFFT. ".[/QUOTE]PFFFFT.
LMAO! I haven't heard that one in years! Thanks!
LL.
[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;4239107]We all know that a lot, perhaps most providers and just about all porn stars have shaved mounds. But I'm curious to hear from you all, how common it is for women outside the hobby or porn videos to be shaved?
Is this just pretty much a hobby / porn type of thing? Is it also common among the younger women in general these days? The hobby is the only action I've been having for the past few years, so I can't say from first hand experience.[/QUOTE]I take some art classes at Pendleton and the art nude models are about 50:50 shaved. But what is interesting is that those that have Bush do so because they get hired more for art modeling. The natural state is what artists seek.
[QUOTE=DNut;4239242]I take some art classes at Pendleton and the art nude models are about 50:50 shaved. But what is interesting is that those that have Bush do so because they get hired more for art modeling. The natural state is what artists seek.[/QUOTE]I'm an old fart so I "grew up" in the Bush days. But even as a young guy watching porn in the old 25-cent video booths at the adult book stores, I was always intrigued by the few (back then) girls that shaved. There was a gorgeous, blond porn star names Seka who was shaved and I'd always seek out her films. And when I finally experienced it first-hand I thought I had died and gone to heaven. Nowadays, I won't even consider a full Bush unless the girl is truly exceptional in other ways.
[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;4239107]We all know that a lot, perhaps most providers and just about all porn stars have shaved mounds. But I'm curious to hear from you all, how common it is for women outside the hobby or porn videos to be shaved?
Is this just pretty much a hobby / porn type of thing? Is it also common among the younger women in general these days? The hobby is the only action I've been having for the past few years, so I can't say from first hand experience.[/QUOTE]My girlfriend's daughter is 19, and she often says that she and her girlfriends consider pubic hair to be "gross and dirty. ".
Alaska Tom.
[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;4239107]We all know that a lot, perhaps most providers and just about all porn stars have shaved mounds. But I'm curious to hear from you all, how common it is for women outside the hobby or porn videos to be shaved?
Is this just pretty much a hobby / porn type of thing? Is it also common among the younger women in general these days? The hobby is the only action I've been having for the past few years, so I can't say from first hand experience.[/QUOTE]From my experience outside the hobby, I find that most women in the 18-24 age range are completely shaven. A woman outside the hobby who I was talking to recently (22), sent me a puss pic & apologized to me for not being fully shaved. Like it was going to be a turn off or something if she had a little stubble haha. It was almost like men she had met, expected a well groomed twat. I think a lot more females watch porn nowadays and see cleanly shaved **** & get it in their head that is the norm. I think the older women don't seem to care as much and are more likely to let the Bush grow rampant. But outside of the hobby it's been a while since I've been intimate with anyone over 30 so I can't really speak on that too much. With the amount of hairless holes I've come across lately (pun intended) I actually prefer a landing strip or a little stubble. I am good on the disco squirrel nests that you can floss your teeth with, I will leave that to someone who prefers the hippie era LOL.
The Octagon is great entertainment. Here's my pet peeve question: are there really dudes out there that actually like it when a woman destroys the beauty / integrity of her nipples with spikes thinking it's "body jewelry?" I'm obviously expressing my personal opinion with this loaded question here. The worst is when a woman thinks a "ring" in or around her clitoris is, somehow, not only attractive but acts as some kind of pleasure stimulant. I've learned to tolerate navel, some facial piercings, and even ridiculous tongue "rings" (and no, it doesn't improve the sensation for my cock when it's on its way down your throat, ladies). I forget the comedian who once described excessive facial piercings as what happens when a tackle box explodes in a woman's face. But where the hell did anyone get the bright idea that placing what appears to look like a miniature dangling barbell through a woman's nose septum looking very much like something I'd see dangling below the noses of bull cattle is also, somehow, attractive? Or a ring or three around her lip? My theory is all the above is about low personal self-esteem. Or, perhaps this kind of body "adornment" comes from the same dumb place as when a woman thinks her bad perfume that resembles someone's grandmother is also, somehow, attractive? Don't even get me started on tattoos. At least once a woman wakes up out of her self-esteem delirium and removes a bad piercing mistake all it leaves behind is a small hole as evidence. I'm convinced they're not doing this for us, guys. They're doing it for themselves. Anyone have any neon pink or green hair dye?
I'm obviously revealing my age here. You're invited to chime in, team.
JC.
I'm 63 and I like piercings and other body modifications like tattoos on a woman as long as they are well done. So age really doesn't have anything to do with your post.
Prison tats or backyard piercings I don't like, but I see professionally done ink to be expressive. I enjoy hearing the back story about the meaning of the ink and the reason why they got a piercing.
Personally I enjoy playing with nipple piercings. I also enjoy nibbling a clit ring while DATY.
Two cliches sum up this discussion:
1.) Her body, her right to do what she wants to do.
2.) To each his own.
If you don't like piercings or tats see someone else.
[QUOTE=JohnCleland;4239681]The Octagon is great entertainment. Here's my pet peeve question: are there really dudes out there that actually like it when a woman destroys the beauty / integrity of her nipples with spikes thinking it's "body jewelry?" I'm obviously expressing my personal opinion with this loaded question here. The worst is when a woman thinks a "ring" in or around her clitoris is, somehow, not only attractive but acts as some kind of pleasure stimulant. I've learned to tolerate navel, some facial piercings, and even ridiculous tongue "rings" (and no, it doesn't improve the sensation for my cock when it's on its way down your throat, ladies). I forget the comedian who once described excessive facial piercings as what happens when a tackle box explodes in a woman's face. But where the hell did anyone get the bright idea that placing what appears to look like a miniature dangling barbell through a woman's nose septum looking very much like something I'd see dangling below the noses of bull cattle is also, somehow, attractive? Or a ring or three around her lip? My theory is all the above is about low personal self-esteem. Or, perhaps this kind of body "adornment" comes from the same dumb place as when a woman thinks her bad perfume that resembles someone's grandmother is also, somehow, attractive? Don't even get me started on tattoos. At least once a woman wakes up out of her self-esteem delirium and removes a bad piercing mistake all it leaves behind is a small hole as evidence. I'm convinced they're not doing this for us, guys. They're doing it for themselves. Anyone have any neon pink or green hair dye?
I'm obviously revealing my age here. You're invited to chime in, team.
JC.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JohnCleland;4239681]The Octagon is great entertainment. Here's my pet peeve question: are there really dudes out there that actually like it when a woman destroys the beauty / integrity of her nipples with spikes thinking it's "body jewelry?" I'm obviously expressing my personal opinion with this loaded question here. The worst is when a woman thinks a "ring" in or around her clitoris is, somehow, not only attractive but acts as some kind of pleasure stimulant. I've learned to tolerate navel, some facial piercings, and even ridiculous tongue "rings" (and no, it doesn't improve the sensation for my cock when it's on its way down your throat, ladies). I forget the comedian who once described excessive facial piercings as what happens when a tackle box explodes in a woman's face. But where the hell did anyone get the bright idea that placing what appears to look like a miniature dangling barbell through a woman's nose septum looking very much like something I'd see dangling below the noses of bull cattle is also, somehow, attractive? Or a ring or three around her lip? My theory is all the above is about low personal self-esteem. Or, perhaps this kind of body "adornment" comes from the same dumb place as when a woman thinks her bad perfume that resembles someone's grandmother is also, somehow, attractive? Don't even get me started on tattoos. At least once a woman wakes up out of her self-esteem delirium and removes a bad piercing mistake all it leaves behind is a small hole as evidence. I'm convinced they're not doing this for us, guys. They're doing it for themselves. Anyone have any neon pink or green hair dye?
I'm obviously revealing my age here. You're invited to chime in, team.
JC.[/QUOTE]I agree with you John. A woman's body is a thing of beauty as created. I've seen tats that are tastefully created but I prefer natural.
The first time I saw nipple rings was in 1980. I met two 21 year old spinners at a party. They had nipple rings and when they lifted their shirts to show me I laughed my ass off. They took me to the bed and pulled out a couple of jewelry type chains and threaded them thru the rings. They took turns riding me while pulling the chain back and forth thru the nipple rings. The stimulation caused them to have absolute screaming orgasms. It was a great night. They wanted me to get nipple rings and I said hell no. I've never met a woman since that did that.
Even with the memory of that night, I prefer to look at a woman without piercings.
Personally, I believe that people have the right to do what they wish with their bodies. However, I also believe that all this piercing business is driven by current entertainment. The women like to emulate what they believe to be fashion.
What they don't realize is that piercing relates back to long ago when men held women as slaves, and nipple and clitoral hood piercings were a convenient way to lightly chain a woman to control her movements. Few women would risk tearing their clit or nipples trying to escape the chain, which then made it possible to use lighter, less bulky chains to control her. Then, because men liked to decorate their women for beauty and also for sanitary purposes (gold and silver don't promote infection) they used gold, silver, and precious gems. Also, gold and silver are not as strong as steel. Just my thoughts on the matter.
Cheech.
[QUOTE=PinkParticles;4239478]From my experience outside the hobby, I find that most women in the 18-24 age range are completely shaven. A woman outside the hobby who I was talking to recently (22), sent me a puss pic & apologized to me for not being fully shaved. Like it was going to be a turn off or something if she had a little stubble haha. It was almost like men she had met, expected a well groomed twat. I think a lot more females watch porn nowadays and see cleanly shaved **** & get it in their head that is the norm. I think the older women don't seem to care as much and are more likely to let the Bush grow rampant. But outside of the hobby it's been a while since I've been intimate with anyone over 30 so I can't really speak on that too much. With the amount of hairless holes I've come across lately (pun intended) I actually prefer a landing strip or a little stubble. I am good on the disco squirrel nests that you can floss your teeth with, I will leave that to someone who prefers the hippie era LOL.[/QUOTE]I'm old school and love Bush on a woman. There is something sexy seeing that dark Bush on a woman as long as it's not too hairy. I wish I could find more providers with this feature. Anybody know of any out there?
[QUOTE=JohnCleland;4239681]The Octagon is great entertainment. Here's my pet peeve question: are there really dudes out there that actually like it when a woman destroys the beauty / integrity of her nipples with spikes thinking it's "body jewelry?" I'm obviously expressing my personal opinion with this loaded question here. The worst is when a woman thinks a "ring" in or around her clitoris is, somehow, not only attractive but acts as some kind of pleasure stimulant. I've learned to tolerate navel, some facial piercings, and even ridiculous tongue "rings" (and no, it doesn't improve the sensation for my cock when it's on its way down your throat, ladies). I forget the comedian who once described excessive facial piercings as what happens when a tackle box explodes in a woman's face. But where the hell did anyone get the bright idea that placing what appears to look like a miniature dangling barbell through a woman's nose septum looking very much like something I'd see dangling below the noses of bull cattle is also, somehow, attractive? Or a ring or three around her lip? My theory is all the above is about low personal self-esteem. Or, perhaps this kind of body "adornment" comes from the same dumb place as when a woman thinks her bad perfume that resembles someone's grandmother is also, somehow, attractive? Don't even get me started on tattoos. At least once a woman wakes up out of her self-esteem delirium and removes a bad piercing mistake all it leaves behind is a small hole as evidence. I'm convinced they're not doing this for us, guys. They're doing it for themselves. Anyone have any neon pink or green hair dye?
I'm obviously revealing my age here. You're invited to chime in, team.
JC.[/QUOTE]I think a woman can do what she wants with her body. Yes, there are cultures where men also dictate much of that.
But I think the original question was about our preferences. Personally, I do not like piercings or tattoos. I think a woman's body looks amazing and does not need artificial enhancements. If someone has an interesting tattoo, I will ask about it because there is usually a story. I have not heard stories about piercings.
I have a friend with pierced nipples. She also has a great set of 38 DDs. I prefer to look and suck without the piercings in place. But she is into BDSM, so she enjoys taking advantage of the piercings to do some pulling and twisting.