General Reports

Hey Fellas. I'm a provider who is currently visiting the Orlando area for the month of October. I use to be a regular in the area. I cannot believe how much things have changed in a couple of years since I have been here last. Is it just me or is LE out in full force now? I guess it's because so many of the providers are addicted to drugs. In the sunshine state.

I'm a DRUG FREE provider and this business has drastically changed for the worse here in Florida. I feel so bad for all of you decent guys who just want to meet a decent provider.

Because of safety issues. I now use oovoo to arrange visits. More providers should use this service as an alternative to book appointments. There is a free app for phone or you can use it online.

If you need discretion. This is an excellent resource for your safety. Safer than a phone call and FREE!

So how do we spread the word to providers? Feel free to PM Me or contact me on oovoo. Valerievisitsfl.

Yes I'm VERY REAL! Totally independent and a website for those interested in meeting a mature, experienced, trustworthy and drug free provider in the orlando area.

Good luck and stay safe!

Does anybody know why LE targeted this particular situation?

More importantly, does anybody have any thoughts on current "situations" to avoid?

Welcome any informed posts or PMs.

Montana.

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That's a good question. That place was in operation for years. It's inconceivable to me that neighbors and LEO didn't know about it 5 years ago so why raid now? My assumption is they had some type of connection / protection that the lost somehow.

It has always been assumption that LEO knows about all operations using a fixed location. I also think its correct that LEO monitors this and other boards so I wouldn't count on anything that's discussed online or posted on BP cv etc truly being under the radar.

[QUOTE=Montana77; 1568274]Does anybody know why LE targeted this particular situation?

More importantly, does anybody have any thoughts on current "situations" to avoid?

Welcome any informed posts or PMs.

Montana.[/QUOTE]

My thought is the reason they hit this place was one of the girls gave the "anonymous" tip to the cops maybe even by way of a CI. She then made up some false accusations (a girl making 500K a year do the math this is impossible, video recordings and archives of recordings if they had this we would have seen more charges including on the defendant of recording without a persons permission) mixed in with reality to make the situation appear a lot worse than it was. Plus I am sure all the girls were aware they had a congressman and / or a senator visiting passed this info onto the MBI or a CI. Once MBI hears they have a potential public official on the line they will wait for the best chance to arrive I. E. An election year. This would allow an organization like MBI to get the most media coverage as possible and will mess with the elections or re-elections of an incumbent.

Everything that is done has a secret underlying hidden agenda. The MBI wanted to screw over some public officials as close to election as possible. Most of this story about a neighbor telling police she new a senator was visiting the location is probably true however the MBI new this info long before and just waited for the best time to pounce as possible. Even the R. I. C. O. Charges are a little outlandish in this case but makes a better headline in the news paper that says "SENATOR INVOLVED IN A R. I. C. O. INVESTIGATION" it's all about how it appears never about the actual facts.

One news outlet even made the mistake as saying Florida Senator arrested on R. I. C. O. Charges on there website and quickly removed it because that would have been an even better accusation and proves the media doesn't check it's own facts anymore simply publishes what they believe to be the truth and reality even if it is far from it.

[QUOTE=Montana77; 1568274]Does anybody know why LE targeted this particular situation?

More importantly, does anybody have any thoughts on current "situations" to avoid?

Welcome any informed posts or PMs.

Montana.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Montana77; 1568274]Does anybody know why LE targeted this particular situation?

More importantly, does anybody have any thoughts on current "situations" to avoid?

Welcome any informed posts or PMs.

Montana.[/QUOTE]A couple of things happened.

1) This guy made the fatal mistake of operating out of the same location for too long, apparently living there as well, which gives him no plausible deniability, and He fell into the trap many fall into (including ladies+ some mongers) that after a while of participating in an Illegal activity they start to think it's OK and drop their guard. It's hard to hit a moving target and a sitting duck is much, much easier to shoot.

2) There was apparent drug activity on the part of at least one of the girls and rumor is that she caved in to pressure, time will tell.

3) We live in an era of high definition miniaturized video surveillance, so creating probable cause for a search warrant is much easier than having to have LE personnel actually having to do a "stakeout".

4) His stupidity in keeping intense records on the premises was what led to the frosting on the cake for the opposition.

In conclusion: So the fact that these men instead of banging their next door neighbor, or someone from work, and maybe falling in love and ruining their family. Sought some female comfort and companionship for an hour from clean and safe ladies in a safe neighborhood. Have had their lives turned upside down by our phony hypocritical society driven by religious mythology and a corrupt system. If their was a "God" in our 14 billion year old cosmos, I would think by now he might be a bit tired of worrying where humans were spreading their seed and swinging down to his mythical hell to watch these men and women burn for eternity.

It amazing to me what human's can be convinced to believe, I'm surprised we didn't elect Bernie Madoff president, after all he paid 12% interest, so he could easily pay off the national debt-VS

[QUOTE=VerySlowly; 1568638]A couple of things happened.

1) This guy made the fatal mistake of operating out of the same location for too long, apparently living there as well, which gives him no plausible deniability, and He fell into the trap many fall into (including ladies+ some mongers) that after a while of participating in an Illegal activity they start to think it's OK and drop their guard. It's hard to hit a moving target and a sitting duck is much, much easier to shoot.

2) There was apparent drug activity on the part of at least one of the girls and rumor is that she caved in to pressure, time will tell.

3) We live in an era of high definition miniaturized video surveillance, so creating probable cause for a search warrant is much easier than having to have LE personnel actually having to do a "stakeout".

4) His stupidity in keeping intense records on the premises was what led to the frosting on the cake for the opposition.

In conclusion: So the fact that these men instead of banging their next door neighbor, or someone from work, and maybe falling in love and ruining their family. Sought some female comfort and companionship for an hour from clean and safe ladies in a safe neighborhood. Have had their lives turned upside down by our phony hypocritical society driven by religious mythology and a corrupt system. If their was a "God" in our 14 billion year old cosmos, I would think by now he might be a bit tired of worrying where humans were spreading their seed and swinging down to his mythical hell to watch these men and women burn for eternity.

It amazing to me what human's can be convinced to believe, I'm surprised we didn't elect Bernie Madoff president, after all he paid 12% interest, so he could easily pay off the national debt-VS[/QUOTE]I agree with VS. One additional factor could be that this was being operated in the middle of a residential area. Too many neighbors seeing people coming and going. On the spacecoast, there is PMC that appears similar but it is secluded and in more of a business area. Just my 2 cents.

You cannot operate from the same place, seeing 5 or more people per day. Your neighbors will be your first snitch. If you're in an apartment other than privately owned with off-location management, you're not the brightest crayon in the box either. Any property manager who does their job will know what's going on. They were probably at first suspected of drug activity. That's the way it works. Your neighbors see alot of traffic, they automatically assume drugs.

There are several ways to get to or from my door to the parking lots. There are alot of things to look at when you're renting a place. Do your neighbors work alot? Or will they be home looking out windows?

It's never a good idea to go to a place with multiple providers. Women are catty. Most of the time, if they have gathered together in an incall (more than 2) there is most likely management involved. If there isn't there is bound to be a fallout at some point between the women.

You wouldn't frequent a hotel that is known for activity, why keep putting yourselves in bad situations. Graphic reviews are another thing that kill a providers chances of making it. Keep the dirty details to a minimum. I stopped responding to reviews for one reason, if it lists anything graphic and you respond, you've just admitted to what happened. Now when the provider is caught up and they use that, along with advertising the Jury has a slam-dunk conviction.

Another issue providers don't take into consideration is the fact that most have no other legit income, yet you have just leased a new place, a new car and you're shopping, shopping, shopping. We have the IRS looking into peoples finances on a daily basis. There was recently an operation in Nevada taken down. The IRS was investigating a girl who purchased a new car. She had great credit, but only worked 1 day a week as a hostess at a strip club. They found she had made an estimated 250K that year. 500K a year is possible in this business. I know of a provider here in Orlando seeing 5-7 clients / day. 5 days / wk. On a low scale she's making 325K / year. Think she can continue to blow that kinda cash and go unnoticed?

The key is to not become greedy in this business. When you let greed take over you let your screening and intuition become lax. Pay your bills, and don't be flashy with your cash and toys ladies.

[QUOTE=Dennis0092;1568680]I agree with VS. One additional factor could be that this was being operated in the middle of a residential area. Too many neighbors seeing people coming and going. On the spacecoast, there is PMC that appears similar but it is secluded and in more of a business area. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]I am always on the moe cautous side, I try to get them a ride and get them something to eat first.

[QUOTE=Dennis0092;1568680]I agree with VS. One additional factor could be that this was being operated in the middle of a residential area. Too many neighbors seeing people coming and going. On the spacecoast, there is PMC that appears similar but it is secluded and in more of a business area. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]I may get run out of here for being a hypocrite, but if I was this guy's next door or across the street neighbor and I had a good idea of what was going on, I'd call it in myself. Sorry to say that. But, I know the culture. I've lived a lot of it, and I don't need to see it where I live. That's the risk anyone takes when they cross the line too far.

[QUOTE=Don In Otown;1568939]I may get run out of here for being a hypocrite, but if I was this guy's next door or across the street neighbor and I had a good idea of what was going on, I'd call it in myself. Sorry to say that. But, I know the culture. I've lived a lot of it, and I don't need to see it where I live. That's the risk anyone takes when they cross the line too far.[/QUOTE]In Canada prostitution is legal or at least it has been decriminalized. It is legal as long as the provider doesn't set up a house of prostitution. The government feels that this could damage the neighborhood or lower property values; or something like that. But if the provider does out call or entertains at a hotel the government is alright with it.

[Quote/] Hotrodvf

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There are various ways email can be configured that may or may not keep things on hard drive. Any type of email leaves a trail if authorities want it bad enough. Contrary to popular belief nothing online is truly anonymous. Best you can do is to make effort to find you not worthwhile to them.

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If you are really concerned about E-mail tracking.

Spend about $100 a ygear and get an anonymous offshore e-mail address, I use one in England and one in Canada, they bounce the mail around the world including through servers in Indonesia, unless you're a serious drug dealer, money-launder, etc. And you're only worried about LEO tracking down your ISP # because of the hobby, then you're probably wasting your money. If you transmit confidential financial data etc. It is worth the money, another trick especially with financial info is to break it into several packets I. E. 3 or 4 different messages and / or use an encrypted mail box or both. F. Y. I. The servers for this site are located in Germany. So don't worry be happy-VS

[QUOTE=Don In Otown;1568939]I may get run out of here for being a hypocrite, but if I was this guy's next door or across the street neighbor and I had a good idea of what was going on, I'd call it in myself. Sorry to say that. But, I know the culture. I've lived a lot of it, and I don't need to see it where I live. That's the risk anyone takes when they cross the line too far.[/QUOTE]That is what zoning laws are for. If it is legal, then they would be permitted to open in areas zoned for businesses, Not in residential neighborhoods. I would not accept a hair salon to open in my residential neighborhood.

[QUOTE=GeorgeJ29;1568680]I agree with VS. One additional factor could be that this was being operated in the middle of a residential area. Too many neighbors seeing people coming and going. On the spacecoast, there is PMC that appears similar but it is secluded and in more of a business area. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]Well put. It is only a matter to time before PMC gets hit. I visited there once, nice place, very nice staff. Too exposed. A moving target is much harder to hit!

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[Quote/] Hotrodvf.

Senior Member.

Reports 119.

There are various ways email can be configured that may or may not keep things on hard drive. Any type of email leaves a trail if authorities want it bad enough. Contrary to popular belief nothing online is truly anonymous. Best you can do is to make effort to find you not worthwhile to them.

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If you are really concerned about E-mail tracking.

Spend about $100 a ygear and get an anonymous offshore e-mail address, I use one in England and one in Canada, they bounce the mail around the world including through servers in Indonesia, unless you're a serious drug dealer, money-launder, etc. And you're only worried about LEO tracking down your ISP # because of the hobby, then you're probably wasting your money. If you transmit confidential financial data etc. It is worth the money, another trick especially with financial info is to break it into several packets I. E. 3 or 4 different messages and / or use an encrypted mail box or both. F. Y. I. The servers for this site are located in Germany. So don't worry be happy-VS[/QUOTE]In addition to private IP proxy services, If you want to ensure being anonymous, you can create and use an email address while in a remote location with a public access ISP and never use that email address in a location that you can be traced to. Places like Starbucks, hotels with open access, Barnes and Noble, etc. You can get a cheap internet browsing device like an IPOD Touch or notebook and pull up, for instance, next to a Barnes and Noble and use their internet service with your remote email address. If something bad happens just make sure to destroy and dispose your browsing device and no one can trace the emails to you. Just be sure not to use that email address in any location that can be traced to you.

I periodically change my email address. It does not guarantee anything, but yahoo, for instance, keeps emails and account information for 90 days after you close an account and then makes the memory available to be overwritten. By doing this I somewhat limit my exposure if I get caught to the last time I changed my email address.

[QUOTE=Ziggy1524;1571111]Well put. It is only a matter to time before PMC gets hit. I visited there once, nice place, very nice staff. Too exposed. A moving target is much harder to hit![/QUOTE]PMC has been there over ten years if I'm not mistaken. Not sure how but we all know there are ways to get ignored. I've traveled the state for over 25 years and it is a standard thats been standing a long time.

Stay safe.

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