Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE]Generally, GPS is expecting more money than what is delivered.[/QUOTE]That can be one angle motivated by GPS. But Golden Puzzy Syndrome is where they think their pussy's made of gold, hence, expecting above what would be market price. Much like someone trying to sell their 2000 Dodge Stratus with 150 k miles on it for No Less than $8,000. Not because they're trying to squeeze as much money out of it as they can and are hoping for a sucker, but because they Actually Think it's worth that price because they kept the interior nice smelling since day 1 with no dents, and think of it is as their precious baby (market price would be around $1,250). This outlandish belief could have been originally motivated by their greed or current strong need of money, but that's delving into psychology which is a whole other story.

GPS is when one thinks their parts are made of gold and expect price to reflect that for sexual situations, while in reality, their parts very well may be nice, but bronze at best. Solidly Over market price. I like Whoppers at Burger King, I'm not knocking Whoppers. But I'm not going to pay $10 for one, especially when Burger King's head is in the clouds advertising it like the meat is laced with gold or something.

[QUOTE=Tom70;2851244]Right, of course, they do not all do the same thing. That is the beauty of a place like Panacea, it's not dank and grubby. And I'm not putting other places down by saying that. A lot of other places prioritize just what you seem to want, bottom dollar, a full menu, with whatever women are available. No way I'm going to a dank hole, seeing an older woman, and paying what I do at Panacea, no fucking way.[/QUOTE]I agree. However, just because Pancea is worth more than a dank & grubby place on in the back of a parking lot on 28th street, doesn't at all mean they're incapable of having GPS.

[QUOTE]By contrast, a place that has very consistent rules, fees, and service, and does so for years, I just don't see that as GPS. Look, I can have a great experience there, not comparible to any other MP in GR, for $40 plus $40. That's with a cute, fit, American, young woman who's in her early to mid 20's. No they do not have an open menu, but they never have and doubt they ever will, no matter how much you boycott them. I'd be happy to pass along details in PM, but it is decidely not the same as staying home. I recently enjoyed a visit with Natasha, and I can say that experience is the norm (fucking great).[/QUOTE]But they did recently or semi-recently change their fees, which is what causes the eyebrow to raise, and things to be considered & weighed. I can see $40/40 being great with a cute, fit, American young woman who gives a great massage. Of course. But you're not always going to get such an ideal situation at Pancea, so the bare-minimum raised prices for All is what raises the eyebrow. It's easier to see it as not-a-huge-thing when you're talking about a whole half hour, one of the better looking girls who knows how to tickle your elmo just right, for $40/$40.

But $60/$60 for all girls, even ones not wanting to take off any clothing, hardly says much, and just wants to give a mechanical HE hoping to scoot you out 10+ minutes early? That's the problem with the raised baseline fees.

I wouldn't mind that if it was pretty much a guarantee that I'd get what would be worthy of paying $60/$60 -- not just worthy to me, but market-wise. But that's not happening, even though there is a valid argument it's a better choice than particular dark & dank places that go $60/$40. But to "tip" up-front isn't a tip -- that's more a required Tax.

So is it worth $120 for 45-60 minutes, to a girl the 1st time or the like, with no shower and getting / owed nothing else beyond what a baseline 'tip' would bring? I would want to make that call to determine whether it's $90 (bad), $100 (par), or $120 (Grrrreat).

[QUOTE=Blackfire;2851638]To lay a "tip" out when you don't know what you are getting is stupid, and also opens up the opportunity for a case to be made that the "tip" isn't because of great service but is payment for a sex act.[/QUOTE]If the lady is having a bad day and your massage is crappy because of it, does she voluntarily give part of the layed out tip back? FUCK NO! Sounds like a NAIVE way of tipping, or at best, a Noobie mistake.

Tips are earned people. Not just given. It's called a "tip" for a reason and it shouldn't be included with the door fee. I was a bartender for years and never once had someone put the tip down before they ever got a single drink. Common sense should tell ya when to put the tip on the table. In case your lacking common sense I'll cut you some slack for being like most Americans these days and clue you in. The tip comes after the services have been provided. Write it down if you need to. Also don't forget to tip your bartender or your massage therapist assuming they did a good job!!

I went to see Natasha at Panacea I did not have to leave a tip upfront with her. Although I would because she never disappoints (other than she does not work enough so she is hard to reach sometimes LOL! She is like getting a massage from a new found lover she is totally GFE as a massage place gets in GR. In my opinion not as good as the Islands but she is much better looking!

[QUOTE=Lakeshore1;2253728]Does anyone have any info on her? I am going to take a ride that way tonight. She sounds very nice.

[URL]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/let-my-magic-hands-take-your-stress-away-30/17388146[/URL]

Thanks much.[/QUOTE]Is she still around? Apparently she went on her own for awhile.

[QUOTE=Benz1;2849027]The way I see it, it's just one more muscle for them to massage, if it's only a HJ then what's the big deal?

I propose that we all go into Panacea, give them the house fee for their time , offer 20 for a HJ if they say no, proceed with self sevice. LOL. That will fix their attitudes. It's just a frikking HJ and most of them are mechanical anyway. So you're not missing much.

The new place on 28th near Petros wanted 60 I said 20 and she said 40 I said just give me my massage for the hour and I am good with that, if you want 20 then finish with the HJ. She took the 20. It's your money. Panacea girls can starve with that attitude or offer the full time plus a reasonable tip for a job well done massaging all my muscles.
If you want a massage by a naked girl with a bj call any escort. She will be cheaper than any girl at Panacea[/QUOTE]Massage is a service. A business transaction. A HJ is an Extra service above the massage. Women will tip 20 for a regular massage done with draping and no hanky panky or steam box diddling.

Hopefully my Brother Monger Benz isn't tipping the few good ladies in GR only 20? If we match the tip with the massage / HJ skill and wether or not we get shorted on time, the Good MP Ladies should get more than 20 regardless of their age or looks.

While no one should reward GPS or time shorting or someone that lets out a disgusted sigh as they reach for your cock, we should reward the Good Ones with a good tip. Anyone that's been MP Mongering for a little while knows, if they are honest, when they get a good Lady / Massage. The good ones are hard to find boys! If all you want is a HJ and the massage means very little, why bother going to a MP? If you feel you need to find an escort at a MP, LA Spa in Portland is 35 minutes away and The Islands is 1 hr away. This isn't rocket science boys. If it was, I would have been red shirted a long long time ago!

Viva La MP and Viva la HJ!

NJ.

[QUOTE=NoseJelly;2852911]Massage is a service. A business transaction. A HJ is an Extra service above the massage. Women will tip 20 for a regular massage done with draping and no hanky panky or steam box diddling.[/QUOTE]Okay, so if a guy doesn't get an HJ, he should (only) tip 20 for that hour, just as a lady-customer would since there'd be no difference in the experience, right? I can't argue with that at all. Obviously More if one does get their HJ.

The problem is when it's a bolted-on "tip", and a big one matching the rate. So the (heterosexual, proper) lady customers at Pancea will have to pay $60/$60 upfront. Is that worth it? Are they really going to want that? No, of course not. Way above market price. The bolted-on up-front gratuity makes it not actually include the Extra service (s). It puts the customer in position that there "better be" some extra services at no-extra-cost, since it was $60/$60. And if the guys come out "empty Handed", especially when engaging with a so-so looking fully-clothed gal, it'll definitely be a WTF. It's not good for said customers in those situations, and not good for Pancea when too many of those situations occur.

[QUOTE]If all you want is a HJ and the massage means very little, why bother going to a MP?[/QUOTE]Because even though a MP isn't exactly going to the Ritz Carlton, it still avoids any chance of running into LEO + one doesn't have to worry about avoiding crazy pimps or wacked out gals in some isolated environment like a motel or odd apt when trying someone they haven't before. So at $60/$40, when you don't come out "empty Handed", it's obviously already pound for pound more $$ than engaging with an escort. Making it a pre-paid $60/$60 with the possibility of coming out "empty Handed" is just really unfortunate for both sides. I say that assuming Pancea's not stacked with customers always coming in who'd be more than willing to pay $60/$100 for a massage+HJ with a so-so looking gal who'd just get down to undergarments.

[QUOTE]If you feel you need to find an escort at a MP, LA Spa in Portland is 35 minutes away and The Islands is 1 hr away.[/QUOTE]True. It makes places like that be more of an option to lose one's business to. Just unfortunate many folks have lost that "happy medium" close to home. .

[QUOTE=NoseJelly;2852911]Massage is a service. A business transaction. A HJ is an Extra service above the massage. Women will tip 20 for a regular massage done with draping and no hanky panky or steam box diddling.

Hopefully my Brother Monger Benz isn't tipping the few good ladies in GR only 20? If we match the tip with the massage / HJ skill and wether or not we get shorted on time, the Good MP Ladies should get more than 20 regardless of their age or looks.

While no one should reward GPS or time shorting or someone that lets out a disgusted sigh as they reach for your cock, we should reward the Good Ones with a good tip. Anyone that's been MP Mongering for a little while knows, if they are honest, when they get a good Lady / Massage. The good ones are hard to find boys! If all you want is a HJ and the massage means very little, why bother going to a MP? If you feel you need to find an escort at a MP, LA Spa in Portland is 35 minutes away and The Islands is 1 hr away. This isn't rocket science boys. If it was, I would have been red shirted a long long time ago!

Viva La MP and Viva la HJ!

NJ.[/QUOTE]I do consider NJ the MP expert on this site, he has been to most and can give valuable info about all locations and probably most of the girls. Are there good ones left? Most have gone for the rushed ending and forgot the massage part. Not caring about the massage is part of the problem here too. This is why I have been so vocal, I'm usually not happy with the massage or the mechanical ending. And now we hear of paying up front for what? We don't know yet.

I have tipped a twenty at that Asian MP because it was a half assed massage and she was rushing to the ending for a big tip. I knew as soon as I blew it would be over, a good reason to tell her no and get back to the massage I paid for. I've walked out of many massage appointments and have done the same thing 20 or nothing. Some have taken some don't. They were lousy massages and should be treated as such.

Show me a CMT and you can tell who they are. They care about the your massage and don't short time. In fact many CMT have gone longer into overtime with me because of my bad leg. I treat them with the same respect they give me. Some may not have a CMT and it shows. It's possible that Natasha has the skills because many have raved about her massages. She is the only one that I would risk getting a massage and paying for the tip up front at Panacea. I have not seen her because I don't need to ad a new CMT to my list at this time.

If I go to another MP in GR I will treat them with the same respect they treat me. A good massage, full time and a good ending will deserve a good tip from me.

Ladies, it's time to step up and do a good job if you want a tip.

[QUOTE=Benz1;2853129]If I go to another MP in GR I will treat them with the same respect they treat me. A good massage, full time and a good ending will deserve a good tip from me.

Ladies, it's time to step up and do a good job if you want a tip.[/QUOTE]That's fair. Good tip for good service. Don't under tip for good or over tip for bad. (duh!

IMO the MP scene was way better before Jennifer and that lap dog of hers, Barry got their fingers into GR. Assembly line massage. Draw the guys in with really young lookers that would rather do Candy than give good service. Then Kiet and others felt they had to follow suit.

That's why Forums like this exist. Brings reason to the BigHead that the LittleHead can't understand.

NJ.

I won't tip up front.

If that's the policy I boycott Panacea.

Plenty of MPs in GR.

One of the best parts of the Panacea experience was the no pressure / no talk about the tip. Maybe just a comment of if I take care of you, you take care of me type of understanding. I suppose that could be because I had been there and they knew me, however even my first experience there was never any mention of a tip. If this is the case where they require a tip up front, they have lost my business forever too. I always tipped "fair" but never more than. 4 for a great performance and they were always happy with it. Now that Nat and Aliese are gone, Natasha being a part timer, it looks like the newbs are trying to rule the roost. Well, I've got news ladies, the previous regime was successful for all the above reasons stated. It seems like you may want to trust us first, if a client stiffs you, you know either 1 of 2 things. A) you better up your game and it wasn't worthy of a tip, or b) don't take that client again. Seems pretty simple. Lots of MP's in GR now. With equal talent. Better change the game or close the doors.

[QUOTE=Benz1;2853129]I do consider NJ the MP expert on this site, he has been to most and can give valuable info about all locations and probably most of the girls. Are there good ones left? Most have gone for the rushed ending and forgot the massage part. Not caring about the massage is part of the problem here too. This is why I have been so vocal, I'm usually not happy with the massage or the mechanical ending. And now we hear of paying up front for what? We don't know yet.

I have tipped a twenty at that Asian MP because it was a half assed massage and she was rushing to the ending for a big tip. I knew as soon as I blew it would be over, a good reason to tell her no and get back to the massage I paid for. I've walked out of many massage appointments and have done the same thing 20 or nothing. Some have taken some don't. They were lousy massages and should be treated as such.

Show me a CMT and you can tell who they are. They care about the your massage and don't short time. In fact many CMT have gone longer into overtime with me because of my bad leg. I treat them with the same respect they give me. Some may not have a CMT and it shows. It's possible that Natasha has the skills because many have raved about her massages. She is the only one that I would risk getting a massage and paying for the tip up front at Panacea. I have not seen her because I don't need to ad a new CMT to my list at this time.

If I go to another MP in GR I will treat them with the same respect they treat me. A good massage, full time and a good ending will deserve a good tip from me.

Ladies, it's time to step up and do a good job if you want a tip.[/QUOTE]I agree completely with Benz. Good service equals good tip! You should never tip a waitress as soon as you sit at the table, why in the hell would you tip before the massage even starts?

Thanks for all of the valuable info on tipping etc. Just wondered who the top massage providers are now, who would you recommend.

Thanks in advance.

Bob.

[QUOTE=Spongebob357;2853886]Thanks for all of the valuable info on tipping etc. Just wondered who the top massage providers are now, who would you recommend.

Thanks in advance.

Bob.[/QUOTE]Maybe NJ could make a short list send it to himself and then forward it to the seniors or whoever he wants. He will not have to keep typing it if he sends it to himself and the forward can be sent to multiple requests at one time. Don't forget to tell your massuse that you were refered by NJ. Maybe he will get an extra kiss for his troubles.

Thanks NJ for keeping us informed on the good ones.

Well I really hate to change the subject from such an interesting conversation, but here is a review of this MP. Legit therapeutic massage only. No HE. Bummer. The half of the body not worked on is covered with a sheet. Need I go on? I will say Chari is more beautiful in person than her pics, gives intense work to the massage.

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