[QUOTE=Dillsborodave;4147520]In the face she looks like Kelly McDonald from the movie " no country for old men".[/QUOTE]Yes, she does.
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[QUOTE=Dillsborodave;4147520]In the face she looks like Kelly McDonald from the movie " no country for old men".[/QUOTE]Yes, she does.
I been the posts from the THREE REASONS WHY To SUPER2017. Come on now. What a crack of crap. Most providers don't like other providers anyhow. Why They are afraid the other will steal their clients. MONEY LOSS TO THEM. Low end or high end that's what its about. Low end girls are driving the highend away Horseshit. Go to steve s agency. I've never used one or ever will. Don't need it. I've had very few bad experiances With as you call it low end girls. Very few. I don't do walkers. High end girls I guess are okay but I just don't see the point With the high volume of good decent providers we have here on USA and LISTCRAWLER I've been doing this a long time and believe me. The Dayton market is also good. Lenny 6746.
After reading the thread in the USA Classified forum, I wanted to comment, so I'm moving here instead. Lots of comments about Sarah TT, and I saw her about 6 years ago. Great communication, awesome incall, and very sweet. The one thing that I missed, tho, was the lack of eye contact. I had noticed the same with Delicious Dawn, and more recently Chrissy Lynn. There have been some over the years who really knocked me out with their sessions, including a girl named Buffy who would visit occasionally from Columbus, a few of Buddha's girls, Rachel and Sasha, and one of the high dollar ladies from escorts dot com, who turned out to be a porn star.
But it's frustrating that the market today has hit some new lows. Some of the published pics have made me want to pull the trigger, but then I read a couple of bad reviews, or have a text convo, and that desire goes away. As it stands now, I have to think of excuses for out of town trips in order to get some playtime in. REALLY looking forward to Dallas this spring, and there's someone else about a 4 hour drive away who I am dying to see. She usually travels to Columbus, but mostly on weekends.
I'd love to find a UTR or SB close by. Thinking about ramping up my efforts to do that after the Texas trip.
[QUOTE=TickleJay;4149605]After reading the thread in the USA Classified forum, I wanted to comment, so I'm moving here instead. Lots of comments about Sarah TT, and I saw her about 6 years ago. Great communication, awesome incall, and very sweet. The one thing that I missed, tho, was the lack of eye contact. I had noticed the same with Delicious Dawn, and more recently Chrissy Lynn. There have been some over the years who really knocked me out with their sessions, including a girl named Buffy who would visit occasionally from Columbus, a few of Buddha's girls, Rachel and Sasha, and one of the high dollar ladies from escorts dot com, who turned out to be a porn star.
But it's frustrating that the market today has hit some new lows. Some of the published pics have made me want to pull the trigger, but then I read a couple of bad reviews, or have a text convo, and that desire goes away. As it stands now, I have to think of excuses for out of town trips in order to get some playtime in. REALLY looking forward to Dallas this spring, and there's someone else about a 4 hour drive away who I am dying to see. She usually travels to Columbus, but mostly on weekends.
I'd love to find a UTR or SB close by. Thinking about ramping up my efforts to do that after the Texas trip.[/QUOTE]Have fun in Dallas, I go there about once a month for a few days and all I can say is wow! And the AMPs are out of this world, they actually let you pick!
[QUOTE=Observant;4148306]The way I have experienced these things is choosing between a budget restaurant and a fancy restaurant. The food might as well be the same, but the right fancy restaurant enhances the experience.
I had two fav providers from P411 and traveling companions that I used to drop 700 for 2 hours. They were mindblowing. Upscale hotels. Designer shoes, lingerie. Always fresh. Intelligent. True educated professionals.
One of them used to contact me frequently whenever she was planning to come in/around cincy and offer to make a trip to see me. She did come from Columbus for a three hour session. No surcharges. *it has stopped as I usually don't see providers anymore.
The other one showed me her public life and I was floored. She would be someone you would chase to date and get married.
Same example for massages. I usually go an AMP once a week. But once every 6-8 weeks I go see my legit therapist for 160 dollars for 2 hours and it works well for me.
The local fare. Least to say. I have been burnt more than I have enjoyed. Serious case of YMMV in cincy. On a regular day, I would walk by someone like Divine Rachel and not notice (maybe. Or I might be suffering from GDS). But try to setup an appointment and you would think that you are dealing with Aphrodite.
The only two local providers that mostly treated me well and I would go back to were Busty red and Sexii Lexii.
I don't think this discussion will ever end, but I had days where I was happy with 2-3 visits to an AMP and one upscale provider. Usually an out of town one, so I would not be tempted to keep going back.
Everyone should do what they do. What I don't think is cool that smitten people starting to drive the price up themselves as they are enamored by the provider.
Ob.[/QUOTE]Your last statement in this is EXACTLY what is wrong with the Cincinnati specific board. But not for the reasons you think. The problem is not people driving up rates from subpar providers, the problem is you are driving away good (expensive) providers by acting like you should get a steak dinner at a McDonalds price. The most recent example I found of the problem, as I see it, is post #9872 in Jul of last year, and the conversation just before and after that post--not picking specifically on that particular poster. But the guys around it. When the guys in this area are negotiating for everything. INCLUDING negotiating with the travelling providers (That have a ton more sales experience and brand savvy the any of us will ever have) or even the good providers with a stated rate that rarely, or never come down from their rate. YOU are causing a situation where the only ladies that will put up with that kind of BS are the ones that HAVE to (the addicts, or the ones down on their luck that are engaging in survival sex). I GUARANTEE that the ladies that YOU say are good providers, Busty Red, Cincy Kyla, Brookee, are hearing this negotiating shit EVERY SINGLE TIME they do a booking--even with the establish mongers that are "looking for a deal" or "Hey you know I am a reliable guy". ANY girl that can get off of this board and go to P411, or Eros and find a better clientele has done so. And its OUR fault!! There are posts that say I'm only going to pay XXX for a BJ, or YYY for FS. When you make statements like that. Those rates ONLY exist in a SW, BP, or survival sex workers. The inevitable result will be that the higher end ladies will avoid this board like it is a plague. In order to stay the hell away from clients like that.
[QUOTE=CactusIago;4149699]Your last statement in this is EXACTLY what is wrong with the Cincinnati specific board. But not for the reasons you think. The problem is not people driving up rates from subpar providers, the problem is you are driving away good (expensive) providers by acting like you should get a steak dinner at a McDonalds price. The most recent example I found of the problem, as I see it, is post #9872 in Jul of last year, and the conversation just before and after that post--not picking specifically on that particular poster. But the guys around it. When the guys in this area are negotiating for everything.[/QUOTE]I'm here. I thought I'd be at the end of that tunnel.
Do they agree to these lower price? Yeah? Like I said back then, on them.
[QUOTE] INCLUDING negotiating with the travelling providers (That have a ton more sales experience and brand savvy the any of us will ever have[/QUOTE]You're giving them far too much credit. They don't use savvy or anything else to make money, they use their body and biology to make money, and use their intuition about a customer to get leverage for a bigger pay out. I've already said this as well; a provider will have you pegged as someone that she can get a higher donation within a minute of meeting. She can use almost the same biological ques that she would use if you were actually courting. The only advantage they get is the natural one given by guys that are thinking far ahead with the little head before the big one even thinks, again something that they could pick if you were courting.
[QUOTE] or even the good providers with a stated rate that rarely, or never come down from their rate.[/QUOTE]Never say never.
[QUOTE]YOU are causing a situation where the only ladies that will put up with that kind of BS are the ones that HAVE to (the addicts, or the ones down on their luck that are engaging in survival sex). I GUARANTEE that the ladies that YOU say are good providers, Busty Red, Cincy Kyla, Brookee, are hearing this negotiating shit EVERY SINGLE TIME they do a booking--even with the establish mongers that are "looking for a deal" or "Hey you know I am a reliable guy". ANY girl that can get off of this board and go to P411, or Eros and find a better clientele has done so. And its OUR fault!! There are posts that say I'm only going to pay XXX for a BJ, or YYY for FS. When you make statements like that. Those rates ONLY exist in a SW, BP, or survival sex workers. The inevitable result will be that the higher end ladies will avoid this board like it is a plague. In order to stay the hell away from clients like that.[/QUOTE]Honestly, in Cincinnati is anyone of these typical that good looking, where they can just do whatever they want and get clients? I'll admit that I don't visit any sites other than here, and only look at links to other places when posted here, but I literally have never seen any women made out of unobtantium that is selling sex in this area. Regular girls walking, shopping, milling about, on average look better than providers that I have seen on here. As I have also said, the better ones, at best look like 'just some girl'. Normal people, have significant others that look at least at good as the better providers, and get to fuck for free. I didn't see a single provider for years until my lady gained baby weight, and then said something that I really didn't like regarding doing so. She was definitely better than these providers, including the ones I have seen, and those named.
Again, everyone is in this for something different. A lot of people similar to how you come off, may want everything out of these girls; a good incall, her to be wearing a certain fragrance, certain attire, that her feet be painted, that she has conversation before the deed, that she looks you in the eyes, tells you all the sweet little nothings you want to hear, that she kisses you like she loves you, that treats you like a man that she is in love with, that she enjoys your ministrations. I don't give a fuck about anything extra, we're not making love, I'm cumming due to your hand, mouth or pussy, thxkbye.
The self depreciation here is super strong.
I have been reading a lot about quality lately and find it somewhat confusing. Are you talking about the quality of looks or the quality of performance? Does quality mean just younger women? Does quality mean a fair market price? Quality to me is a good looking woman of any age who will worship your cock and seems to enjoy fucking you for a fair price. I guess it's all subjective.
Is a provider in a dirty place.
Not being freshly showered.
Wearing dirty clothes or dirty sweats.
Not preforming the tasks agreed on.
Watching the clock.
Body odors especially down below.
Rushing to finish session the hurry up thing.
Some one knocking at the door.
Asking for a tip when they didn't preform well.
No cleanup after the session. Or nothing to cleanup with.
Thats just a few of them Lenny6746.
[QUOTE=Dillsborodave;4150456]I have been reading a lot about quality lately and find it somewhat confusing. Are you talking about the quality of looks or the quality of performance? Does quality mean just younger women? Does quality mean a fair market price? Quality to me is a good looking woman of any age who will worship your cock and seems to enjoy fucking you for a fair price. I guess it's all subjective.[/QUOTE]If you know one like this please send me a PM with her name and number explanation point!
Golfguy, playing through.
[QUOTE=Dillsborodave;4150456]I have been reading a lot about quality lately and find it somewhat confusing. Are you talking about the quality of looks or the quality of performance? Does quality mean just younger women? Does quality mean a fair market price? Quality to me is a good looking woman of any age who will worship your cock and seems to enjoy fucking you for a fair price. I guess it's all subjective.[/QUOTE]There are 400 per hr ladies 300 and 250,200, going down to 140 and 120 depending on services.
Cincinnati has one. She has a private incall, fully stocked bathroom, mirrors on the wall, outfits galore including outfits that make her look like.
I dream of genie, sex swing, massage table, full menu, Nuru rubs, sex bench, gorgeous body, long blonde hair, make up and blue eyes, smell great, awesome kisser, and enjoys sex like a man does.
Over the years I've seen her over 2 dozen times.
Non smoker. All that for 250 offers wine and if you make a longer appointment she will provide fruits and cheese.
Sara aka Tongue Twister is incomparable.
[QUOTE=Dillsborodave;4150456]I have been reading a lot about quality lately and find it somewhat confusing. Are you talking about the quality of looks or the quality of performance? Does quality mean just younger women? Does quality mean a fair market price? Quality to me is a good looking woman of any age who will worship your cock and seems to enjoy fucking you for a fair price. I guess it's all subjective.[/QUOTE]It is all subjective. Guys on here want a 22 yo virgin provider who sucks dick like a Catholic girl, fucks like the ***** that she really is and works for $50 an hour. The reality is that no one is really happy with what they get.
If anyone would participate in the forum I would start a User Forum for "High Dollar Hotties" in which any woman at $200+ would be reviewed and discussed. I am afraid it would be useless like the "NCNS" forum I started that no one posted in.
[QUOTE=Dillsborodave;4150456]I have been reading a lot about quality lately and find it somewhat confusing. Are you talking about the quality of looks or the quality of performance? Does quality mean just younger women? Does quality mean a fair market price? Quality to me is a good looking woman of any age who will worship your cock and seems to enjoy fucking you for a fair price. I guess it's all subjective.[/QUOTE]Dillsboro Dave isn't "wrong". But I think there's a subtext here that is worth unpacking, that demonstrates where many of us differ on what quality means.
All of us read Playboy when we were adolescents, or at least saw it. That's the standard for "quality": conventionally attractive. Young, slender, and pretty. We all know it when we see it.
And for the most part, we ain't seeing it here of late.
Quality means not obese (like so many of the providers here are), and not "rough". (Or, in the case of many, both rough and obese.).
And no, I don't want them "of any age". Does that mean 40 is okay? 50? What about 60?
I want someone definltey under 30, preferably under 25, ideally between the ages of 18 and 22.
I've seen the reports from guys who say they prefer older providers, and I do not get this at all.
And I'm not a spring chicken myself. I was born when Lyndon Johnson was president, and came of age during the Reagan years. But I'm not looking for women my own age (or anywhere close to that) when I look for providers.
Nor am I picking out a potential girlfriend or wife. This is about fantasy, and my fantasies are pretty, fit, and *young*.
[QUOTE=WhereDreamsGo;4132624]Dude, you're going to have to get a monger phone or an app with a different number you can use with do not disturb (google voice with a different number than your main one will work, but if your girlfriend is in your phone, she'll probably find this.) We can rant all we want about discretion, but unless you're really seeing a small number of highly responsible providers, you're unlikely to get that.[/QUOTE]Another suggestion, get in your phone settings and turn off texts popping up in banners with a sound. True, it may take a little longer to respond and will take diligence on your part to check texts more often, but it is WAY safer. There is no diehard need to know the second you get a text. And if anyone asks I have said that I play a phone game app where banners popping up on the screen causes the game to crash and my blood pressure to rise. My phone, my preferences, I will have what I want pop up or not dammit. LOL.
Jay.
[QUOTE=OhioBoy1;4150547]There are 400 per hr ladies 300 and 250,200, going down to 140 and 120 depending on services.
Cincinnati has one. She has a private incall, fully stocked bathroom, mirrors on the wall, outfits galore including outfits that make her look like.
I dream of genie, sex swing, massage table, full menu, Nuru rubs, sex bench, gorgeous body, long blonde hair, make up and blue eyes, smell great, awesome kisser, and enjoys sex like a man does.
Over the years I've seen her over 2 dozen times.
Non smoker. All that for 250 offers wine and if you make a longer appointment she will provide fruits and cheese.
Sara aka Tongue Twister is incomparable.[/QUOTE]Sex Bench? WTF is that? LOL Goddamn it. Someone PM her number please.
I agree with you 100%. If I am paying for it, I am looking for a fantasy girl. I am willing to pay for quality, but it is severely lacking in this area.
[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4151839]Dillsboro Dave isn't "wrong". But I think there's a subtext here that is worth unpacking, that demonstrates where many of us differ on what quality means.
All of us read Playboy when we were adolescents, or at least saw it. That's the standard for "quality": conventionally attractive. Young, slender, and pretty. We all know it when we see it.
And for the most part, we ain't seeing it here of late.
Quality means not obese (like so many of the providers here are), and not "rough". (Or, in the case of many, both rough and obese.).
And no, I don't want them "of any age". Does that mean 40 is okay? 50? What about 60?
I want someone definltey under 30, preferably under 25, ideally between the ages of 18 and 22.
I've seen the reports from guys who say they prefer older providers, and I do not get this at all.
And I'm not a spring chicken myself. I was born when Lyndon Johnson was president, and came of age during the Reagan years. But I'm not looking for women my own age (or anywhere close to that) when I look for providers.
Nor am I picking out a potential girlfriend or wife. This is about fantasy, and my fantasies are pretty, fit, and *young*.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Willow1535;4152146]I agree with you 100%. If I am paying for it, I am looking for a fantasy girl. I am willing to pay for quality, but it is severely lacking in this area.[/QUOTE]This is another factor often cited as a reason for accepting providers who are over-the-hill, obese, or obvious drug users.
As I've mentioned before, I fled from a meeting with Pretty Cameron, because she reminded me of a bull dyke in a women's prison, and she had a gut overhanging her waistband.
I'd read rave reviews about her "performance".
Guys: I don't care. If a woman is completely unattractive / fat / etc, I don't care how "enthusiastic" she is. Just. No.
Likewise for Bad Kookie, who seems to have had a few too many cookies.
I've also read a lot of raves about Cristen Cremes. To me she looks rough and old and like a drug user. Sorry! But that's just the honest truth.
Now, let me be clear: Many of these women have unfortunate backstories. There is always a place for kindness and tact. When I turned down Cameron I didn't insult her to her face. (And neither should you.) I made like I was an overly nervous first-timer who just couldn't go through with it. Cristen Cremes, I'm sure, needs some help. But I'm not going to have sex with her. No.
To address a related issue: cost. I'm not a "sky's the limit" kind of guy. I have been holding off on seeing Bianca Carlisle because, jeez, $500 is a lot of dough.
As others have noted, Eros isn't what it used to be, either. Alexandra Kole is on there constantly: She's a 40+, way-past-her-prime provider who is trying to sell $600 appointments. She's not a $600 provider.
I've noticed that most of the Eros girls constantly tour. They aren't doing this to accumulate Marriott points. They're chasing the small numbers of guys who are wiling to pay $500. (Hint: There aren't that many, unless the girl is *really* exceptional, and that means exceptional by Todd Cincy standards.) Bianca Carlisle would be able to print money if she charged $300, and she wouldn't have to travel. But I doubt she would be open to that suggestion.
In my experience (and I've been doing this since Bill Clinton was president) $200 to $350 is the range where supply meets demand, where the rate is high enough to consistently attract quality girls, but the rate is low enough that a significant number of men are willing to pay it.
The problem now in the Cincinnati market is that we lack this mid-range. On one hand, we've got Bianca Carlisle chasing $500 appointments. On the other hand, we have the bulk of the USAG guys looking for $80 appointments. (At $80, you'll get nothing but Jenny Crack and Jenny Craig.).
There is a lot of money to be made in that mid range, IMO. But right now we only have the two extremes.
[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4152249]This is another factor often cited as a reason for accepting providers who are over-the-hill, obese, or obvious drug users.
As I've mentioned before, I fled from a meeting with Pretty Cameron, because she reminded me of a bull dyke in a women's prison, and she had a gut overhanging her waistband.
I'd read rave reviews about her "performance".
Guys: I don't care. If a woman is completely unattractive / fat / etc, I don't care how "enthusiastic" she is. Just. No.
Likewise for Bad Kookie, who seems to have had a few too many cookies.
I've also read a lot of raves about Cristen Cremes. To me she looks rough and old and like a drug user. Sorry! But that's just the honest truth.
Now, let me be clear: Many of these women have unfortunate backstories. There is always a place for kindness and tact. When I turned down Cameron I didn't insult her to her face. (And neither should you.) I made like I was an overly nervous first-timer who just couldn't go through with it. Cristen Cremes, I'm sure, needs some help. But I'm not going to have sex with her. No.
To address a related issue: cost. I'm not a "sky's the limit" kind of guy. I have been holding off on seeing Bianca Carlisle because, jeez, $500 is a lot of dough.
As others have noted, Eros isn't what it used to be, either. Alexandra Kole is on there constantly: She's a 40+, way-past-her-prime provider who is trying to sell $600 appointments. She's not a $600 provider.
I've noticed that most of the Eros girls constantly tour. They aren't doing this to accumulate Marriott points. They're chasing the small numbers of guys who are wiling to pay $500. (Hint: There aren't that many, unless the girl is *really* exceptional, and that means exceptional by Todd Cincy standards.) Bianca Carlisle would be able to print money if she charged $300, and she wouldn't have to travel. But I doubt she would be open to that suggestion.
In my experience (and I've been doing this since Bill Clinton was president) $200 to $350 is the range where supply meets demand, where the rate is high enough to consistently attract quality girls, but the rate is low enough that a significant number of men are willing to pay it.
The problem now in the Cincinnati market is that we lack this mid-range. On one hand, we've got Bianca Carlisle chasing $500 appointments. On the other hand, we have the bulk of the USAG guys looking for $80 appointments. (At $80, you'll get nothing but Jenny Crack and Jenny Craig.).
There is a lot of money to be made in that mid range, IMO. But right now we only have the two extremes.[/QUOTE]Agree completely with you Todd. There are still a few put there but it is getting hard. Too many times the ravens here make. Me wonder if the reviewers have started to fall into the chemicals. With so. Few legitimate sites left and the quality decreasing I keep finding myself not getting anything. Since when was it so hard to be a monger. There are also too many on eros anymore that are also scammerw and not worth the money they ask. We need a few really cute enthusiastic providers willing to be in the range you stated who stay clean and have lower volume.
[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4152249]This is another factor often cited as a reason for accepting providers who are over-the-hill, obese, or obvious drug users.
As I've mentioned before, I fled from a meeting with Pretty Cameron, because she reminded me of a bull dyke in a women's prison, and she had a gut overhanging her waistband.
I'd read rave reviews about her "performance".
Guys: I don't care. If a woman is completely unattractive / fat / etc, I don't care how "enthusiastic" she is. Just. No.
Likewise for Bad Kookie, who seems to have had a few too many cookies.
I've also read a lot of raves about Cristen Cremes. To me she looks rough and old and like a drug user. Sorry! But that's just the honest truth.
Now, let me be clear: Many of these women have unfortunate backstories. There is always a place for kindness and tact. When I turned down Cameron I didn't insult her to her face. (And neither should you.) I made like I was an overly nervous first-timer who just couldn't go through with it. Cristen Cremes, I'm sure, needs some help. But I'm not going to have sex with her. No.
To address a related issue: cost. I'm not a "sky's the limit" kind of guy. I have been holding off on seeing Bianca Carlisle because, jeez, $500 is a lot of dough.
As others have noted, Eros isn't what it used to be, either. Alexandra Kole is on there constantly: She's a 40+, way-past-her-prime provider who is trying to sell $600 appointments. She's not a $600 provider.
I've noticed that most of the Eros girls constantly tour. They aren't doing this to accumulate Marriott points. They're chasing the small numbers of guys who are wiling to pay $500. (Hint: There aren't that many, unless the girl is *really* exceptional, and that means exceptional by Todd Cincy standards.) Bianca Carlisle would be able to print money if she charged $300, and she wouldn't have to travel. But I doubt she would be open to that suggestion.
In my experience (and I've been doing this since Bill Clinton was president) $200 to $350 is the range where supply meets demand, where the rate is high enough to consistently attract quality girls, but the rate is low enough that a significant number of men are willing to pay it.
The problem now in the Cincinnati market is that we lack this mid-range. On one hand, we've got Bianca Carlisle chasing $500 appointments. On the other hand, we have the bulk of the USAG guys looking for $80 appointments. (At $80, you'll get nothing but Jenny Crack and Jenny Craig.).
There is a lot of money to be made in that mid range, IMO. But right now we only have the two extremes.[/QUOTE]$80 for 15 minutes of sex is pretty good money! Why would I pay $120 or $160? That's $320 an hour in my book. I'm not sure how that equates to "cheap".
[QUOTE=JimJaimes;4152407]$80 for 15 minutes of sex is pretty good money! Why would I pay $120 or $160? That's $320 an hour in my book. I'm not sure how that equates to "cheap".[/QUOTE]Her calculation is: How much money do I need, to make it worthwhile to have sex with a guy who is old enough to be my dad, who I'm (probably) not all that attracted to? How much money do I need to make it worth the not insubstantial physical, reputational, and legal risks?
And for most college girl types, that isn't $80. It's more like $200 to $350.
On the other hand, if the woman is a strung-out addict who just wants some quick cash to get another hit, then $80 is more than enough. And yes, women like that will see the logic of your minute-based calculation.
I've also been around since the Clinton years. Before even. Kind of embarrassed to say so.
Anyway Todd nailed it. You can have all the fat drug users you want for $125. Gross. You can have them. Seems to me 90% of USA fits in this category. That or traumatized, unstable types. Very, very few who aren't overweight, don't smoke and who don't have some sort of baggage. It's personal preference, but I agree with what's been said.
You got to pay up in life to get the good stuff.
[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4152249]This is another factor often cited as a reason for accepting providers who are over-the-hill, obese, or obvious drug users.
As I've mentioned before, I fled from a meeting with Pretty Cameron, because she reminded me of a bull dyke in a women's prison, and she had a gut overhanging her waistband.
I'd read rave reviews about her "performance".
Guys: I don't care. If a woman is completely unattractive / fat / etc, I don't care how "enthusiastic" she is. Just. No.
Likewise for Bad Kookie, who seems to have had a few too many cookies.
I've also read a lot of raves about Cristen Cremes. To me she looks rough and old and like a drug user. Sorry! But that's just the honest truth.
Now, let me be clear: Many of these women have unfortunate backstories. There is always a place for kindness and tact. When I turned down Cameron I didn't insult her to her face. (And neither should you.) I made like I was an overly nervous first-timer who just couldn't go through with it. Cristen Cremes, I'm sure, needs some help. But I'm not going to have sex with her. No.
To address a related issue: cost. I'm not a "sky's the limit" kind of guy. I have been holding off on seeing Bianca Carlisle because, jeez, $500 is a lot of dough.
As others have noted, Eros isn't what it used to be, either. Alexandra Kole is on there constantly: She's a 40+, way-past-her-prime provider who is trying to sell $600 appointments. She's not a $600 provider.
I've noticed that most of the Eros girls constantly tour. They aren't doing this to accumulate Marriott points. They're chasing the small numbers of guys who are wiling to pay $500. (Hint: There aren't that many, unless the girl is *really* exceptional, and that means exceptional by Todd Cincy standards.) Bianca Carlisle would be able to print money if she charged $300, and she wouldn't have to travel. But I doubt she would be open to that suggestion.
In my experience (and I've been doing this since Bill Clinton was president) $200 to $350 is the range where supply meets demand, where the rate is high enough to consistently attract quality girls, but the rate is low enough that a significant number of men are willing to pay it.
The problem now in the Cincinnati market is that we lack this mid-range. On one hand, we've got Bianca Carlisle chasing $500 appointments. On the other hand, we have the bulk of the USAG guys looking for $80 appointments. (At $80, you'll get nothing but Jenny Crack and Jenny Craig.).
There is a lot of money to be made in that mid range, IMO. But right now we only have the two extremes.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4152690]Her calculation is: How much money do I need, to make it worthwhile to have sex with a guy who is old enough to be my dad, who I'm (probably) not all that attracted to? How much money do I need to make it worth the not insubstantial physical, reputational, and legal risks?
And for most college girl types, that isn't $80. It's more like $200 to $350.
On the other hand, if the woman is a strung-out addict who just wants some quick cash to get another hit, then $80 is more than enough. And yes, women like that will see the logic of your minute-based calculation.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FitAndHung;4152912]...You got to pay up in life to get the good stuff.[/QUOTE]Well said.
You guys should call yourselves the 10%ers. We all want providers that look like Ryder and perform like Lady J. The closest I've seen Is the young lady that worked with EE with the Anchor tattoo on her leg. Damn she could bring it. I'm talking about this Ryder who is no longer in the game but she did come to the door in sweats and that would ruin it for some of you.
[QUOTE=FitAndHung;4152912]I've also been around since the Clinton years. Before even. Kind of embarrassed to say so.
Anyway Todd nailed it. You can have all the fat drug users you want for $125. Gross. You can have them. Seems to me 90% of USA fits in this category. That or traumatized, unstable types. Very, very few who aren't overweight, don't smoke and who don't have some sort of baggage. It's personal preference, but I agree with what's been said.
You got to pay up in life to get the good stuff.[/QUOTE]
I made a old report about Cristen Creams Saying I would never stick my dick in her. Well apparently I Have. The thing is I didn't know it was her. She called herself Natasha. It was over 4 years ago she was doing out calls at that time and had more weight on her. She was on Backpage / Any how I did a repeat with her and she ripped me off for 70. The last time I saw her she was in dirty sweats and had me finger her for a LEO check. Well it smelled so bad I got in my car and took off I didn't know they were the same provider until this morning. She posted one pic of her she used on Backpage along with her new ones. On listcrawler It was a shock to me so bad my dick shriveled up and I almost pissed my pants. He better come out on my next provider. This is all true Lenny6746.
[QUOTE=Nky2000;4154751]You guys should call yourselves the 10%ers. We all want providers that look like Ryder and perform like Lady J. The closest I've seen Is the young lady that worked with EE with the Anchor tattoo on her leg. Damn she could bring it. I'm talking about this Ryder who is no longer in the game but she did come to the door in sweats and that would ruin it for some of you.[/QUOTE]I love women who can carry sweatpants or as you posted, yoga pants are mostly hot too. I have seen providers in sweats that make little John shrivel up.
Random pic posted for reference.
Peace.
Ob.
It always bothers / scares / worries me when old used up providers come back for one last go around. For instance, where has she been the last few years? Prison? Bad relationship? Living on the streets homeless? I've never seen her, not now upon her triumphant return or back in 2011 when she was with Buddah. She sent me a PM begging me to come see her again. I had no clue who she was. What bothers / scares me the most is she says, and others he verified, that she'll do anything you want to do to her or her to you for $60. Reports say she's used up and has no teeth. What else does she have, or not have? Young (less than 50) year old people with no teeth get that way from drugs and disease, infectious and contagious. You see her you're playing Russian roulette IMO.
Golfguy, playing through and skipping this hole.
You are playing Russian roulette with any provider you see. Don't kid yourself into thinking you are safe. Maybe you should stick to playing golf.
[QUOTE=GolfGuy;4155846]It always bothers / scares / worries me when old used up providers come back for one last go around. For instance, where has she been the last few years? Prison? Bad relationship? Living on the streets homeless? I've never seen her, not now upon her triumphant return or back in 2011 when she was with Buddah. She sent me a PM begging me to come see her again. I had no clue who she was. What bothers / scares me the most is she says, and others he verified, that she'll do anything you want to do to her or her to you for $60. Reports say she's used up and has no teeth. What else does she have, or not have? Young (less than 50) year old people with no teeth get that way from drugs and disease, infectious and contagious. You see her you're playing Russian roulette IMO.
Golfguy, playing through and skipping this hole.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GolfGuy;4155846]It always bothers / scares / worries me when old used up providers come back for one last go around. For instance, where has she been the last few years? Prison? Bad relationship? Living on the streets homeless? I've never seen her, not now upon her triumphant return or back in 2011 when she was with Buddah. She sent me a PM begging me to come see her again. I had no clue who she was. What bothers / scares me the most is she says, and others he verified, that she'll do anything you want to do to her or her to you for $60. Reports say she's used up and has no teeth. What else does she have, or not have? Young (less than 50) year old people with no teeth get that way from drugs and disease, infectious and contagious. You see her you're playing Russian roulette IMO.
Golfguy, playing through and skipping this hole.[/QUOTE]Golfguy, I always chuckle when I read your posts and golf analogies. As far as Trixie goes, the pics tell the whole story. EEEEEEWWWWWWW! Let alone the reviews. I think skipping the hole and taking a double bogey on the scorecard is the correct play here. Your tee shot will probably land in the rough, and you will end up in a bunker or two before you reach the uneven burnt up dead green. Good luck getting up and down from a sand trap into that hole!!
Take care and be safe!
[QUOTE=GolfGuy;4155846]It always bothers / scares / worries me when old used up providers come back for one last go around. For instance, where has she been the last few years? Prison? Bad relationship? Living on the streets homeless? I've never seen her, not now upon her triumphant return or back in 2011 when she was with Buddah. She sent me a PM begging me to come see her again. I had no clue who she was. What bothers / scares me the most is she says, and others he verified, that she'll do anything you want to do to her or her to you for $60. Reports say she's used up and has no teeth. What else does she have, or not have? Young (less than 50) year old people with no teeth get that way from drugs and disease, infectious and contagious. You see her you're playing Russian roulette IMO.
Golfguy, playing through and skipping this hole.[/QUOTE]Very well put! I have seen a couple providers that I was embarrased to say that I have seen so I have not reviewed them (don't know what I was thinking and / or thought I was seeing), those I have tipped and walked away. I have also posted reviews on a couple ladies that I wish I had not reviewed, as I would like to think that I had a little better taste. After reading Trixie's ad and seeing her pics all I can say is. Well said! I wouldn't play this hole even with your putter.
I have not seen Trixie or Cristen in person, but I have seen their pictures / ads. They would both fall under the category of " I wouldn't fuck them, if they were giving it away". Guys, come on. Neither one of these two women are remotely attractive and I don't care if they are cheap. You can do better in a local dive bar on any weekend night for the cost of a bucket of beers.
[QUOTE=GolfGuy;4155846]It always bothers / scares / worries me when old used up providers come back for one last go around. For instance, where has she been the last few years? Prison? Bad relationship? Living on the streets homeless? I've never seen her, not now upon her triumphant return or back in 2011 when she was with Buddah. She sent me a PM begging me to come see her again. I had no clue who she was. What bothers / scares me the most is she says, and others he verified, that she'll do anything you want to do to her or her to you for $60. Reports say she's used up and has no teeth. What else does she have, or not have? Young (less than 50) year old people with no teeth get that way from drugs and disease, infectious and contagious. You see her you're playing Russian roulette IMO.
Golfguy, playing through and skipping this hole.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GolfGuy;4155846]Reports say she's used up and has no teeth. What else does she have, or not have? Young (less than 50) year old people with no teeth get that way from drugs and disease, infectious and contagious. You see her you're playing Russian roulette IMO.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nky2000;4156051]You are playing Russian roulette with any provider you see. Don't kid yourself into thinking you are safe. Maybe you should stick to playing golf.[/QUOTE]You see anyone you're not in a long time monogamous relationship with, even a non-provider, you are playing Russian roulette. However, the difference here is the number rounds are in the revolver. A girlfriend in high school might only have 1 round, but if you're that unlucky, that's all that's needed. A provider whose been in the business for 20 years to feed a 20 year habit probably has all the chambers loaded; your only hope is a misfire.
[QUOTE=Willow1535;4156155]I have not seen Trixie or Cristen in person, but I have seen their pictures / ads. They would both fall under the category of " I wouldn't fuck them, if they were giving it away". Guys, come on. Neither one of these two women are remotely attractive and I don't care if they are cheap. You can do better in a local dive bar on any weekend night for the cost of a bucket of beers.[/QUOTE]But sure enough, there is a rave review on Trixie, from a guy who's seen her multiple times recently, and loves the fact that the loss of her teeth due to heavy drug use enables her to do a "gummy". (Similar remarks have been made about Cristen Cremes in the past.).
My thoughts: You're kidding me, right? (No, he isn't kidding.).
Not to judge another hobbyist's taste (trying not to, anyway), but this illustrates yet again a real gap among us in terms of minimal standards.
There is a certain percentage of hobbyists who are just looking for cheap providers who will do almost anything, without any discernible quality standards.
[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4158486]But sure enough, there is a rave review on Trixie, from a guy who's seen her multiple times recently, and loves the fact that the loss of her teeth due to heavy drug use enables her to do a "gummy". (Similar remarks have been made about Cristen Cremes in the past.).
My thoughts: You're kidding me, right? (No, he isn't kidding.).
Not to judge another hobbyist's taste (trying not to, anyway), but this illustrates yet again a real gap among us in terms of minimal standards.
There is a certain percentage of hobbyists who are just looking for cheap providers who will do almost anything, without any discernible quality standards.[/QUOTE]But a gummy BBBJ sounds a little like someone's grandma giving a blow-job and that's definitely a johnso shriveler IMHO!
I read his review of Trixie and was able to get through most of it, until he mentioned DATY. Thinking of that made me want to puke. To each his own. One thing that I am grateful for is that he wrote the review. At a minimum, I can go back and look at his history of posts and try to avoid anyone that he has been with.
[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4158486]But sure enough, there is a rave review on Trixie, from a guy who's seen her multiple times recently, and loves the fact that the loss of her teeth due to heavy drug use enables her to do a "gummy". (Similar remarks have been made about Cristen Cremes in the past.).
My thoughts: You're kidding me, right? (No, he isn't kidding.).
Not to judge another hobbyist's taste (trying not to, anyway), but this illustrates yet again a real gap among us in terms of minimal standards.
There is a certain percentage of hobbyists who are just looking for cheap providers who will do almost anything, without any discernible quality standards.[/QUOTE]
Obviously, this is not my call. I'm just throwing this out there.
Both the forum and the classified site (to the best of my knowledge) already has a "no transgender" rule. (I believe what the mod said was, "this is a place for men who have always been men, and women who have always been women.) So it isn't a wide-open field, even now.
This is good. Otherwise, we would be flooded with trannies, and guys who like trannies.
A similar screening might be applied to providers who are super-rough, or who are just plain fat. (Jenny Crack and Jenny Craig, in other words.).
This would, I think, get rid of the low end of the market. From the perspective of the management, it would put USAG on track to compete with some of the higher end sites. And that's where the money is in this business, I would think. Not with the $60 gummy blow jobs from addicts.
Again, not my call. Just a suggestion.
[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4159017]Obviously, this is not my call. I'm just throwing this out there.
Both the forum and the classified site (to the best of my knowledge) already has a "no transgender" rule. (I believe what the mod said was, "this is a place for men who have always been men, and women who have always been women.) So it isn't a wide-open field, even now.
This is good. Otherwise, we would be flooded with trannies, and guys who like trannies.
A similar screening might be applied to providers who are super-rough, or who are just plain fat. (Jenny Crack and Jenny Craig, in other words.).
This would, I think, get rid of the low end of the market. From the perspective of the management, it would put USAG on track to compete with some of the higher end sites. And that's where the money is in this business, I would think. Not with the $60 gummy blow jobs from addicts.
Again, not my call. Just a suggestion.[/QUOTE]I think one way to weed out some of the Jenny Crack and Jenny Craig would be for USAAC to have a field (s) for a provider to enter a personal website or social media handle. In my experience the providers who take time to develop a website and / or are active on social media like switter or Twitter tend to be more reliable and have their shit together. This is not a perfect litmus test but providers who have very little to zero internet footprint go right to the bottom of the list for me.
You want a list. You have probably Been With most of them. LOL And lets get rid of the SW reports also with the low end providers Then we need to weed out the middle priced ones too! That way All of us horny fuckers Would be doing 3 or 4 providers. Hell they would be worn out in a week or so. Then WHAT? Trannys? Not my style, Maybe yours. We don't dictate whos on here as providers. It your choice who you see and fuck. Lets keep it that way Lenny6746.
[QUOTE=MontgomeryMm67;4159043]I think one way to weed out some of the Jenny Crack and Jenny Craig would be for USAAC to have a field (s) for a provider to enter a personal website or social media handle. In my experience the providers who take time to develop a website and / or are active on social media like switter or Twitter tend to be more reliable and have their shit together. This is not a perfect litmus test but providers who have very little to zero internet footprint go right to the bottom of the list for me.[/QUOTE]As someone who has helped a number of professional and businesslike ladies develop personal websites, with the "Dark Days of 2018" having a personal website isn't as easy as it once was. Gone are the "FREE" sites, ones that have some pop up advertising for other sites for example. It is really a difficult era that we are in now.
USAAC is just one of a very few sites where ladies can advertise for free. It is better than any other out there. Now that being said, many of the ladies who used to advertise on BP and are no better than SW with cell phones have inundated the site and the ladies who are professional and on top of their game are lost in the chaff. By site rules, a lady can only have ONE ad per city, but look at the number that violate that rule. Are you tired of seeing the same ad all day long? I am. I wish the site would take down any additional ad by a provider. The last ad posted should be the one that stays up, Take down any other ad (ads). Make the playing field even for all by each lady only having one ad per city per day.
[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4158486]
Not to judge another hobbyist's taste...[/QUOTE]But you are. Some guy's like fatties, some like heroin addicts, some like anything with a wet hole to stick their dick in. The board has a rule about judging someone's preferences and activities so don't do it.
Maybe you should start an User Forum for reviewing and discussing women you prefer. As a former Moderator on the dead Indy-pendent site, I know how much work it takes to "herd the cats" that post. In the first post, just set the guidelines for posting and see where it goes.
Be part of attempting to improve the site, don't just sit back and observe.
Listcrawler / alligator, whatever. Has become overrun with spammers and bots. The key is either TGTBT, out of town area code, or only an email listed. By the way, here in the 513 code I don't consider Columbus, Louisville, Cleveland, or Toledo "out of town" for these purposes because many will travel the short distance for a week or so to make some money. Maybe I should have said "out of state?
Anyway, I'm familiar with USA classifieds, but with craigslist and backpage gone, are there any other alternatives? Please PM with any specific advice.
Much appreciated!
When it comes to heroin addicts, fatties, skanks, etc, I don't think that mongers who seek these types out prefer them. It comes down to what they can afford or what they are willing to pay. Pure and simple. At the end of the day, if you only have $5. 00 to spend, you're heading to McDonalds for a value meal; not The Precinct.
[QUOTE=BTBear;4159305]But you are. Some guy's like fatties, some like heroin addicts, some like anything with a wet hole to stick their dick in. The board has a rule about judging someone's preferences and activities so don't do it.
Maybe you should start an User Forum for reviewing and discussing women you prefer. As a former Moderator on the dead Indy-pendent site, I know how much work it takes to "herd the cats" that post. In the first post, just set the guidelines for posting and see where it goes.
Be part of attempting to improve the site, don't just sit back and observe.[/QUOTE]