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[QUOTE=VerySlowly;1550981]This is what happens when you try and bullshit the board. Amen Potsy-VS[/QUOTE]Yes, you lose rights on Parole, it means you were convicted, adjudicated and then incarcerated.

As a convicted felon, you have many rights stripped away.

Probation is a "slap on the wrist", chances are no adjudication of guilt and no felony record.

Your sentence if you plead guilty, are found guilty or nolo contendere is done via a point system and completely.

Up to the Judges discretion. And they have the ability to sentence outside of the guidelines if they so choose.

Whoever these so called attorneys giving you advice are, they suck.

A good attorney would tell you not to talk to the police period.

4th and 5th amendments are your friends, not the police.

You can be arrested for anything the cop chooses to arrest you for. Then due process kicks in after you are arraigned.

Huge difference between an arrest and conviction. Your "attorneys" advice will most likely get you the latter.

Currently we are still a "free" country USE your rights man.

"am I being detained" "am I free to go" " I want an attorney present" are the phrases you need to say.

Anything else can and WILL be used against you. If they don't have anything, they can just make it up.

Then the burden of proof falls upon the prosecutor to prove you actually did commit a crime.

I'm thinking your legal advice came from a friend of a friend sisters brothers uncle who's neighbors brother knows an attorney who.

Said something that one time in that place.

[QUOTE=Mikaeles; 1550924]Okay your quote is confusing I wrote most of it and can't figure out your answers but I will try.

You can always ask for a lawyer when a police officer is questioning you. You also left out the part where I said ask the officer am I under arrest? Once you are read your rites you can ask for a lawyer and don; t have to answer anything else.

I was informed today that if you have a 3 year probation on a criminal act that originally would have had a maximum of 6months and you are arrest 1 year into your probation you COULD POSSIBLY serve up to two years in jail for probation violation!

All of this is possible is it the norm? NO, It is possible tho under law.[/QUOTE]To funny mikaeles, and you called me out for not using paragraphs in my posting. Your post is utterly inarticulate and completley assinine. You are trying to be more then you really are and in the end you came out looking like an idiot. At the very least do some investigation before you spout your words of wisdom given to you by three retaned attorneys, this statement in and of itself was worthy of a good belly laugh. Thank you for that. Maybe you were drinking when you posted the original point who knows but I can tell you proof postive that being on probation does not elimnate the constitutional rights of those around you, you clearly or incoherently stated such. Just goes to show you if you give an internet Nazi enough rope. Thanks for the laughs they were higly needed this Monday morning

The difference is I don't give a shit about people on a forum who will lead people in a wrong direction (like you and many others are). I am correct if you don't believe me go ahead and talk to the cops and try to get yourself out of an arrest without asking for a lawyer and see how that goes for you when or if it happens.

[QUOTE=Plzd269;1553009]To funny mikaeles, and you called me out for not using paragraphs in my posting. Your post is utterly inarticulate and completley assinine. You are trying to be more then you really are and in the end you came out looking like an idiot. At the very least do some investigation before you spout your words of wisdom given to you by three retaned attorneys, this statement in and of itself was worthy of a good belly laugh. Thank you for that. Maybe you were drinking when you posted the original point who knows but I can tell you proof postive that being on probation does not elimnate the constitutional rights of those around you, you clearly or incoherently stated such. Just goes to show you if you give an internet Nazi enough rope. Thanks for the laughs they were higly needed this Monday morning[/QUOTE]

Probation is also called community control, you are under the probation officers control instead of being in a jail cell. I think if you check you will find that you in fact a P. O. Can enter your premises at any time if they suspect illegal activity, LEO has used this as a workaround the warrant when there is a sure bet on a house full of drugs. A person on probation for a drug offense will be tested at least monthly during their probation appointment, if not a drug offense you will be tested randomly. You also need to report any contact with a LEO.

As a matter of practicality from an overworked system many of things that could happen do not. Basically you show for an appointment and maybe have an interview and a drug test or nerther they may wave you off. Much depends on your behavior and the P. O. You are assigned. They will come to your house just to physically see you during the month as well.

Basically when you are on community control you will find it difficult to assert your constitutional rights because your P. O. Can call LEO and have you jailed for a violation. Community control is an alternative to jail.VS

[QUOTE=Mikaeles;1553041]The difference is I don't give a shit about people on a forum who will lead people in a wrong direction (like you and many others are). I am correct if you don't believe me go ahead and talk to the cops and try to get yourself out of an arrest without asking for a lawyer and see how that goes for you when or if it happens.[/QUOTE]After reading your posts it is very obvious that you are a moron. For starters, you are right about one thing. It is generally a good idea not to talk to the police if you get caught in a tricky situation. But there have been some confirmed reports on this site that on a few occasions a few polite words got a monger and a provider off the hook. I know this as a fact as it happened to me.

Other then that, just about every other statement you made is asinine. You tell providers not to tell the police there address as it could lead to another charge. First off, the charge you are referring to regarding entering a premise involving criminal activity can be charged even if its not your house. The only thing your advice does is PREVENT A PROVIDER FROM BEING ELIGIBLE FOR BAIL. If they do not provide a verifiable address to the police they can not bail / bond out.

You are the only idiot leading people in the wrong direction.

You go on to state "

Once you are read your rites you can ask for a lawyer and don; t have to answer anything else.

I was informed today that if you have a 3 year probation on a criminal act that originally would have had a maximum of 6months and you are arrest 1 year into your probation you COULD POSSIBLY serve up to two years in jail for probation violation!"

Here's some information for you zippy, you do not have to be UNDER ARREST or READ your rights to ask for a lawyer. You can do that at any time. Further, the police are not required to read you your rights unless they are going to question you. If they are not going to ask you anything other then your name, address and date of birth, basic pedigree information, they do not have to read you your rights. Did your 3 legal eagle attorneys let you know about that? Yes that includes being arrested.

I will not even debate the absurd probation violation and jail terms with you, as its ludicrous.

If you are convicted of a crime there is a mathematical formula used to determine the guidelines for sentencing. For example, your formula may recommend 2 years in jail out of a possible 8 year sentence (the maximum for that specific crime). You get probation for say 2 years instead of jail time. If you violate your probation and found so by the court you get a BUMP in your sentencing formula and instead of 2 years it may become 3 or 4 years. If you frequently violate your probation, you get numerous BUMPS, and you could be sent to jail for the full 8 years even though the original sentence would have been 2 years. Thats how it works zippy. In Florida violation of probation is not a criminal offense, but it does enhance the original sentence. If the maximum sentence you can be given for a crime you are convicted of is 6 months and you violate your probation a million times the maximum you can be sent to jail for is 6 months.

Now go tell your uncles, friends, cousins, brothers, landscaper, who thinks he is a lawyer and knows law to STFU, and I also would demand to see the law degree and bar card of your 3 retained lawyers.

[QUOTE=Mikaeles; 1550919]I don't think you read anything I wrote. I didn't say you can't get a lawyer on weekends I said you would most likely get a public defender and they usually suck. I didn't say police can search your home for no reason or because you broke a law. I said if your on probation your P. O. Can search your house at anytime they wish. I don; t think I said they can search a providers home just by giving the address I said you will have additional charges added to your arrest. The police will have a much easier time after that to obtain a search warrant however! This is also all pretty much worse case scenario anyways.

You all need to calm down a little and realize all of this is possible is it the norm? Hell no. Does it happen everyday? Hell no Does it ever happen? Yes it happens and the police are within there rites to do so in perfect situations.[/QUOTE]You wrote "

Hint for the ladies if you are busted in your home the police will ask you for your address don't give it to them if you admit it is your home and you were doing something illegal in it you just gave the police a green light to search your home because it is being used for illegal activities. Plus you just added to your charges using a place for illegal activities. Ask for a lawyer!"

You CLEARLY wrote that if a provider gives the police there address upon being arrested in there own home they "JUST GAVE THE POLICE A GREEN LIGHT TO SEARCH YOUR HOME BECAUSE IT IS BEING USED FOR ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES" I did read what you wrote. DID YOU? You clearly state the police have a green light to search a house, period. You never mention them needing a warrant, now you want to claim you wrote something different. You did not mention probation or anything else. You made a moronic statement and now you know you look like a fool and somehow think no one read what you wrote.

Now you say " I don; t think I said they can search a providers home just by giving the address I said you will have additional charges added to your arrest." THATS EXACTLY what you said.

You tell us to calm down, zippy you are a fool, you gave out terrible information and if a provider refused to give her address based on your ADVICE, she would have spent some serious days behind bars because she would not be able to post bail. You should stop your BS, stop posting when stoned, drunk or both and let it die. The more you try to defend the indefensible the bigger liar and fool you look to be. You clearly state things in a post and when confronted on it you try to claim you never wrote it. That is a sign of a person with a mental disorder.

To all the girls I loved before THANK YOU for spending time with me!

Guys play safe and play nice.

Thanks to all who helped me play.

Please remove my membership!

Special thanks to Jackson. You are the MAN!

[QUOTE=Potsy; 1553380]You wrote "

Hint for the ladies if you are busted in your home the police will ask you for your address don't give it to them if you admit it is your home and you were doing something illegal in it you just gave the police a green light to search your home because it is being used for illegal activities. Plus you just added to your charges using a place for illegal activities. Ask for a lawyer!"

You CLEARLY wrote that if a provider gives the police there address upon being arrested in there own home they "JUST GAVE THE POLICE A GREEN LIGHT TO SEARCH YOUR HOME BECAUSE IT IS BEING USED FOR ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES" I did read what you wrote. DID YOU? You clearly state the police have a green light to search a house, period. You never mention them needing a warrant, now you want to claim you wrote something different. You did not mention probation or anything else. You made a moronic statement and now you know you look like a fool and somehow think no one read what you wrote.

Now you say " I don; t think I said they can search a providers home just by giving the address I said you will have additional charges added to your arrest." THATS EXACTLY what you said.

You tell us to calm down, zippy you are a fool, you gave out terrible information and if a provider refused to give her address based on your ADVICE, she would have spent some serious days behind bars because she would not be able to post bail. You should stop your BS, stop posting when stoned, drunk or both and let it die. The more you try to defend the indefensible the bigger liar and fool you look to be. You clearly state things in a post and when confronted on it you try to claim you never wrote it. That is a sign of a person with a mental disorder.[/QUOTE]Okay now as intertaining as all of this is there seems to be one point that is trying to be made Search of ones person or Personal space. Once upon a time a regular "Friend" of mine was working for "The Man" when he made his normal weekly appointment for a dream. Yes I recieved a knock on the door by "The Man" during this time, well once inside they did ask me my name and asked if I had I'd. I replied "Yes in my wallet" I got it for them and was asked if they could search my purse and my personal belongings. I replied "No not unless you have a search warrant". Guess what they did NOT have the right to search my property, because if they had and something illegal was found they could not use that against me. Yes I was doing something wrong to have them in my room to start with but under NO circumstance were they allowed to violate my rights. I was not arrested at this point, so YES I did still have my rights under the constitution of the United States of America. Also it is very good advise to request a lawyer before answering any and all questions. You are correct sir in stating without a name and address you may not bail out. What bonding agency would write a bond for ANY amount for someone that has no address. Hell I know from experience that it is hard enough to get someone to go to court and not skip out on you with an address!

Floridas judicial system is made up of something called a point system. Everytime someone is found guilty of any crime you recieve points. These points influence (compelling force) how long you will be on vacation.

Hope I am not out of line here for chiming in on this "Debate". If so OOOPS, just wanted to share some first hand info, without the help of 3 attorney "Friends" LOL.

Play Safe,

XOAshley

[QUOTE=ClayForNow; 1553526]To all the girls I loved before THANK YOU for spending time with me!

Guys play safe and play nice.

Thanks to all who helped me play.

Please remove my membership!

Special thanks to Jackson. You are the MAN![/QUOTE]Please don't go! Going to miss you Clay, You are the Man!

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So be aware if you've been to that place LE has your info.

[QUOTE=JerseyGirl;1553612]Please don't go! Going to miss you Clay, You are the Man![/QUOTE]I hope you stay. This is somewhat of a barren land in many aspects. You can actually read and write. It would be a great loss to the brotherhood.

[QUOTE=ClayForNow; 1553526]To all the girls I loved before THANK YOU for spending time with me!

Guys play safe and play nice.

Thanks to all who helped me play.

Please remove my membership!

Special thanks to Jackson. You are the MAN![/QUOTE]What happened to your list that was going to make everyone safe? Was that just a scam? As Vino would say C'YA-VS

[QUOTE=Mystical0945; 1553599]Okay now as intertaining as all of this is there seems to be one point that is trying to be made Search of ones person or Personal space. Once upon a time a regular "Friend" of mine was working for "The Man" when he made his normal weekly appointment for a dream. Yes I recieved a knock on the door by "The Man" during this time, well once inside they did ask me my name and asked if I had I'd. I replied "Yes in my wallet" I got it for them and was asked if they could search my purse and my personal belongings. I replied "No not unless you have a search warrant". Guess what they did NOT have the right to search my property, because if they had and something illegal was found they could not use that against me. Yes I was doing something wrong to have them in my room to start with but under NO circumstance were they allowed to violate my rights. I was not arrested at this point, so YES I did still have my rights under the constitution of the United States of America. Also it is very good advise to request a lawyer before answering any and all questions. You are correct sir in stating without a name and address you may not bail out. What bonding agency would write a bond for ANY amount for someone that has no address. Hell I know from experience that it is hard enough to get someone to go to court and not skip out on you with an address!

Floridas judicial system is made up of something called a point system. Everytime someone is found guilty of any crime you recieve points. These points influence (compelling force) how long you will be on vacation.

Hope I am not out of line here for chiming in on this "Debate". If so OOOPS, just wanted to share some first hand info, without the help of 3 attorney "Friends" LOL.

Play Safe,

XOAshley[/QUOTE]If in a hotel, the desk agent can give them a key to walk in, or a hotel employee may escort them up. Same thing with an apartment complex. If they come in and ask a property manager to let them in, the property manager WILL comply. Read any current lease for property, and 99% of the time there is a Crime Addendum included. This addendum will allow you to be evicted if charged with a crime that occurs on the property including your rental home. In addition, in signing a lease you give the landlord and his agent permission to enter the unit with sufficient notice unless an emergency occurs. All they need to say is the neighbor had a leak, you didn't answer the door or weren't home. Guess what? You forgot to lock your computer and now they know why you have so much traffic.

As far as searching goes, to be honest. You were lucky. One decides to be a douchebag and say he smelled pot? We searched due to probable cause. Guess what? You can fight it all you want. It's your word against theirs.

Clay what are you doing with that list / Hmmmm scary shit!

[QUOTE=VerySlowly;1554607]What happened to your list that was going to make everyone safe? Was that just a scam? As Vino would say C'YA-VS[/QUOTE]

It is with regret that I see that Passun8 and Clayfornow have left the forum. I think they were both good contributors and decent guys. I wish both of them best of luck in their future.

I do not know the circumstances of their departure. I can speculate on what it was. I'm hoping it wasn't because they got into arguments on here, either public or via PM. If you stay on this great forum long enough, you will eventually get into fights on here. We all know that I've had my fair share of them and then some. I've eaten a lot of crow for some of my mistakes.

I also have had a couple of mongers PM me and have said they thought about leaving. Fortunately, they did not.

If you have issues with other guys on here, you do have resources at your disposal. You can put the monger on ignore. This will prevent him from sending you any PMs. He also can't see your posts when he's logged in.

Another avenue is to send info via PM to members that you feel you can trust. This ensures that only your friends on here get the info. You can tell them not to forward the info to help keep it in the fold.

You could also just step away from the forum for a little while. Some members did exactly that and have now come back. Remember, if you resign, you're done. I urge all mongers to think about this if they ever get frustrated with other guys on here. My. 02