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[QUOTE=Shinshi86;4958618]No prob, glad to help! It's one thing for a SB to ghost, pull a PBM scam, lose interest during meet-and-greets, make up last-minute rules to what's already been agreed upon, etc. That sort of thing happens all the time and is a learning experience we all go through. But for a SB / provider to have someone working for them who then beats others up in order to get away with said scam? That's beyond fucked up and is just another reason why I always have something on hand to defend myself (thankfully hasn't been needed yet).

In the future, I recommend having a pocket knife, brass knuckles, or something stowed away in your pocket. [B]DO NOT[/B] pull out a weapon just to recoup your money if violence isn't first being used by the other party. A [U]scam like that is [b]NOT[/b] a valid reason to escalate said situation[/U], and it would be better to cut your losses at that point. Now if someone's throwing fists & kicks your way? Cool, game on! Do what it takes to defend yourself, not be hospitalized, and get the hell out. The primary objective is to get home safe & healthy. It's just money after all and not worth the hospital bills or dying over.

Agreed, premium membership's price is a little steep. But it certainly pays off if you're patient about it and manage to find two or more SBs. Once you have their numbers, just rotate through the ones you've got and allow the membership to become basic again (which is free).

The only reason I haven't done so is because I've suddenly become inundated with so many potential prospects last month. So long as you play it smart while not giving in to exorbitant demands or any PBM (advance payment) nonsense, then you just might have yourself a good time which will cost far less than seeing a professional escort. Cheers![/QUOTE]I guess the next step is knowing what exorbitant cost is? I see many young girls so I have to expect higher prices. Also is it ok to keep your pic private? I actually saw someone on there that worked for my wife. So yeahhhh LOL.

[QUOTE=HellBoyX;4958930]I guess the next step is knowing what exorbitant cost is? I see many young girls so I have to expect higher prices. Also is it ok to keep your pic private? I actually saw someone on there that worked for my wife. So yeahhhh LOL.[/QUOTE]Fair enough. Personally, I don't believe SBs are even remotely justified to charge professional escort prices. While they are indeed still a type of provider (they're giving it up for money after all), they're supposed to be amateurs. SA caters to that demographic or type of "lifestyle" if you will. Therefore, it's unreasonable for a SB to ask for 400+ when they're not even a pro. I've used this example in the past: would you pay the same price or more for rinkside tickets to watch minor league hockey over an NHL team? No, you wouldn't. One's a professional and the other is not. The same principle applies in the sugaring scene, though good luck trying to get a girl to accept that logic. Ultimately, we all have differing opinions of what constitutes as "exorbitant," so do what you feel is best without breaking the bank or encouraging their GPS.

And yes, all pics of your face ought to be blurred out until after establishing communication with a SB. Even then, I highly recommend that you not use ANY pictures which are already posted on social media. As for running into folks you or your wife knows on the site, you should definitely steer clear of that potential atom bomb.

I would recommend that everyone in the hobby get their CHP, be well-versed in use of force laws and, learn a defensive martial art. I highly recommend Krav Maga as it assumes that you are the weakest and least well equipped to handle a fight. It is defensive in nature, aiming to give you enough distance to get away. Once you learn the basic technique, you can effectively deal with an armed attacker in nothing but your birthday suit.

Always remember to check all rooms in whatever location you end up, keep your head on a swivel and, keep the big head running the show as much as possible.

Safe Hunting.

Basic safety. Meet in public first. If you can't or don't feel like it, get the room and have her come to you. Lots of rooms under 100. Isn't that 100 worth your safety? After you feel comfortable with her, then you could meet at her house or yours.

[QUOTE=Shooter1701;4959169]I would recommend that everyone in the hobby get their CHP, be well-versed in use of force laws and, learn a defensive martial art. I highly recommend Krav Maga as it assumes that you are the weakest and least well equipped to handle a fight. It is defensive in nature, aiming to give you enough distance to get away. Once you learn the basic technique, you can effectively deal with an armed attacker in nothing but your birthday suit.

Always remember to check all rooms in whatever location you end up, keep your head on a swivel and, keep the big head running the show as much as possible.

Safe Hunting.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RokurWorld;4957639]Talked to her for awhile. Setup a M&G. She no showed, made up a lame excuse, and then continued the charade for a bit. Ghosted after. Waste of time.[/QUOTE]Thanks man, good to know. We've chatted a bit and she seems nice enough but I don't have the time to set up meetings with no shows.

Has anyone had any luck with her? We've been texting off and on for about a month now and while she's smokin hot and all I'm not sure she's worth the headache. It's been sob story after sob story with her, I'm shocked she hasn't asked for money upfront tbh because those are the exact type of stories I'm getting, to where you can see the "ask for money upfront" coming a mile away. And she's terrible about texting, sometimes takes days to hear back. I asked about it once and got a nasty "I don't just sit around on my phone all day waiting for you to text" response. I called her babe in a text once and her reply was "I told you I'm not your babe". LOL WTF. So she seems like a bit of an uppity **** and I offered her 350 ppm and she shot it down. So I'm just wondering if anyone else has actually cracked her shell and if so is she worth the effort. Please pm with any info. Cheers.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7d91d53b-a506-4226-b6c6-1c5ad1e27ff7[/URL]

[QUOTE=RokurWorld;4957639]Talked to her for awhile. Setup a M&G. She no showed, made up a lame excuse, and then continued the charade for a bit. Ghosted after. Waste of time.[/QUOTE]Confirming same thing for me.

[QUOTE=Dimples572;4960719]Has anyone had any luck with her? We've been texting off and on for about a month now and while she's smokin hot and all I'm not sure she's worth the headache. It's been sob story after sob story with her, I'm shocked she hasn't asked for money upfront tbh because those are the exact type of stories I'm getting, to where you can see the "ask for money upfront" coming a mile away. And she's terrible about texting, sometimes takes days to hear back. I asked about it once and got a nasty "I don't just sit around on my phone all day waiting for you to text" response. I called her babe in a text once and her reply was "I told you I'm not your babe". LOL WTF. So she seems like a bit of an uppity **** and I offered her 350 ppm and she shot it down. So I'm just wondering if anyone else has actually cracked her shell and if so is she worth the effort. Please pm with any info. Cheers.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7d91d53b-a506-4226-b6c6-1c5ad1e27ff7[/URL][/QUOTE]She will ask for $1 k and upfront, not in advance, but at the start of the date. Likely fake, or if she is actually real she's pulling a scam. She has had several profiles.

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Oof.

My one rip-off story was when a girl put my dick in her mouth, blew me for like 30 seconds, ask me for money to keep going and then as soon as I gave it she calmly got up and said she had to leave, and that she would come back. She accurately sized me up as someone who didn't want to deal with fighting over $300. Really got to me because as soon as she showed up there was red flags, that I brushed off.

I had never paid upfront before, and never since. No cash on the table, nothing. I no longer fuck on a first meet up. I always do a meet and greet first, and am very clear that its just a meet and greet. No scam artist or pro is going to put that much effort into a $300 score. They have to many easier targets to go after.

Also for awhile now, I'v completely ignored profiles with only 1 photo. My success rate has drastically improved.

[QUOTE=PromisedLand;4955559]Avoid this one at all costs. Can't share the profile link because already reported and blocked her, not sure if it's even still up. This girl is dangerous and running a theft scam with her male partner.

Talks a good game to eventually lure you to her place, then once inside wants the allowance immediately. Agreed to put it on the table as others have wisely suggested here previously, where it would stay until we said our goodbyes. Then as soon as it was put down she literally snatched it up and ran back to another room. Then came out the door of the room and said oh we'll have to reschedule for another time something came up. I said that's fine can I have the money back and will be on my way. She said she had "already put it away" and would count for next time. I said I think we should call the police to sort this out if she wasn't going to return the envelope. Guess she didn't like that because she yelled out a name and that same door opened and this huge white dude came out shouting "Get the F* Out!" and shoved me to the ground and kicked me in the shoulder and the back while I was down. I started to flail around waving my arms to back him up just long enough to scramble to my feet and run out of there..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dimples572;4960719]Has anyone had any luck with her? We've been texting off and on for about a month now and while she's smokin hot and all I'm not sure she's worth the headache. It's been sob story after sob story with her, I'm shocked she hasn't asked for money upfront tbh because those are the exact type of stories I'm getting, to where you can see the "ask for money upfront" coming a mile away. And she's terrible about texting, sometimes takes days to hear back. I asked about it once and got a nasty "I don't just sit around on my phone all day waiting for you to text" response. I called her babe in a text once and her reply was "I told you I'm not your babe". LOL WTF. So she seems like a bit of an uppity **** and I offered her 350 ppm and she shot it down. So I'm just wondering if anyone else has actually cracked her shell and if so is she worth the effort. Please pm with any info. Cheers.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7d91d53b-a506-4226-b6c6-1c5ad1e27ff7[/URL][/QUOTE]Interesting that she took down her Cheerleader pic.

Skins.

[QUOTE=Dimples572;4960719]Has anyone had any luck with her? We've been texting off and on for about a month now and while she's smokin hot and all I'm not sure she's worth the headache. It's been sob story after sob story with her, I'm shocked she hasn't asked for money upfront tbh because those are the exact type of stories I'm getting, to where you can see the "ask for money upfront" coming a mile away. And she's terrible about texting, sometimes takes days to hear back. I asked about it once and got a nasty "I don't just sit around on my phone all day waiting for you to text" response. I called her babe in a text once and her reply was "I told you I'm not your babe". LOL WTF. So she seems like a bit of an uppity **** and I offered her 350 ppm and she shot it down. So I'm just wondering if anyone else has actually cracked her shell and if so is she worth the effort. Please pm with any info. Cheers.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7d91d53b-a506-4226-b6c6-1c5ad1e27ff7[/URL][/QUOTE]I wonder if her two friends know she included them in her SA profile?

[QUOTE=Shinshi86;4959092]Fair enough. Personally, I don't believe SBs are even remotely justified to charge professional escort prices. While they are indeed still a type of provider (they're giving it up for money after all), they're supposed to be amateurs. SA caters to that demographic or type of "lifestyle" if you will. Therefore, it's unreasonable for a SB to ask for 400+ when they're not even a pro. I've used this example in the past: would you pay the same price or more for rinkside tickets to watch minor league hockey over an NHL team? No, you wouldn't. One's a professional and the other is not. The same principle applies in the sugaring scene, though good luck trying to get a girl to accept that logic. Ultimately, we all have differing opinions of what constitutes as "exorbitant," so do what you feel is best without breaking the bank or encouraging their GPS.

And yes, all pics of your face ought to be blurred out until after establishing communication with a SB. Even then, I highly recommend that you not use ANY pictures which are already posted on social media. As for running into folks you or your wife knows on the site, you should definitely steer clear of that potential atom bomb.[/QUOTE]In this context pros are cheap.

[blue]They are both pros. Anybody who gets paid to work is a professional, SB's are hookers.

A2[/blue]

Saw this girl, Miss J for a PPM. She was amazing, really got intimate with me, and it was amazing. She was really nervous at first and a bit afraid but then when we started things really kicked off and we got right to business.

She was a little costly, but I mostly just look for quality anyways and she happened to be the type I like.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/16ba8987-cf8c-4c42-9fb6-2d4eb2bea8a6[/URL]

[QUOTE=FlakBait;4962221]Saw this girl, Miss J for a PPM. She was amazing, really got intimate with me, and it was amazing. She was really nervous at first and a bit afraid but then when we started things really kicked off and we got right to business.

She was a little costly, but I mostly just look for quality anyways and she happened to be the type I like.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/16ba8987-cf8c-4c42-9fb6-2d4eb2bea8a6[/URL][/QUOTE]How much was the ppm? Did she allow BBFS?