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[QUOTE=Jpinfw;1164454]Saw her a few weeks ago One of the biggest disappointments in my hobbyist life. She is much heaver than the picture and in the end the encounter was frustrating.[/QUOTE]I seen her once, but I will NOT do it again. I will put it like this I had goto the doctor a day after, thank god everything checked out. She is a big girl. 6'1, 270-300 lbs. If you like BBW with big boobs she might fulfill you fantasy, but I will pass don't let the close of picture fool you.
Tried to see Kayla today which ended up being a big disappointment. First off she in all great probability is not the girl in the picture. Her face was much plumper as was her body. She was not too unattractive so I waffled between bolting for the door and keeping the session anyway.
From a certain perspective it could be said I foolishly stayed. In time we realized we tried to see one another time before which ended up in me having to leave because she was paranoid I was LE. I dressed well at the time with a button up and slacks and am educated so I don't know if that was it or not but at the time she told me I was freaking her out and she all but pushed me out of the door.
I should have left once I realized who she was but she seemed in a different space. I offered to leave if she felt uncomfortable but she said I could stay. We talked quite a while about LE. Apparently the last girl that got busted was offered 1500 in which vice officer had vaginal sex with her twice and anal once then busted her taking back the 1500 and taking another 2500. Then her phone, computer and car which was not even hers was taken. And of coarse on top of it all the girl has to pay a fine and some girls even get time in jail. This is nothing short of rape and robbery in the name of the law. IDA really needs to get on this because we not only live in a police state but a corrupt one at that.
The funny thing is I completely sympathized with her but she kept waffling. She did however give me a nice rub down but she couldn't relax enough to proceed with the service. So I basically said this was not pleasant for me either and we decided to go our separate ways. I would have been pissed if I wasn't slightly relieved. I didn't have to pay her anything and I got a decent 15 min body rub so I left ok about it. Plus I ended up seeing Nancy later which turned out to be a good experience.
I do remember her making me the first time drive all the way up there in the night only to all but shove me out the door in a paranoid hysteria. I hate LE drive escorts to such behavior but really these girls need to screen before letting you in the door not let you get all the way up there then change their minds.
In any case between the fake pictures, a bit of weight, and the crazy paranoia I strongly suggest to stay away.
In case your wondering the ad she is currently using the link is below.
[url]http://www.localescortpages.com/36/posts/8-Adult-Services/8-Female-Escorts/1770977-Kayla-317-412-9958.html[/url]
Actually to be more accurate there are hour rates then half hour rates. Half Hour implies once and your done while hour implies MSOG, especially if the escorts advertises these two time framed rates.
[QUOTE=Tryinagain2; 1163285]The key words for me are "$x per hour" or "$x for up to an hour". The first means you're paying for an hour and MSOG is expected. The second makes it pretty clear that she didn't agree to a whole hour, just a one & done.
I've never once had an agency nor independent girl advertising "per hour" try to end a session in less than a full hour. I'm rarely good for two times in 60 minutes myself anyway, and take most of the hour on the first, but on the occasion that there's been time, I've never been told no or upsold. I have had several times where "up to an hour" was agree upon, and we both knew what that meant going in, so there was no confusion.
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Thanks so much for the advice. I have been thinking about this one for a long time and was about ready to take the plunge. After reading this I will pass.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Luchi; 1164803]Tried to see Kayla today which ended up being a big disappointment. First off she in all great probability is not the girl in the picture. Her face was much plumper as was her body. She was not too unattractive so I waffled between bolting for the door and keeping the session anyway.
From a certain perspective it could be said I foolishly stayed. In time we realized we tried to see one another time before which ended up in me having to leave because she was paranoid I was LE. I dressed well at the time with a button up and slacks and am educated so I don't know if that was it or not but at the time she told me I was freaking her out and she all but pushed me out of the door.
I should have left once I realized who she was but she seemed in a different space. I offered to leave if she felt uncomfortable but she said I could stay. We talked quite a while about LE. Apparently the last girl that got busted was offered 1500 in which vice officer had vaginal sex with her twice and anal once then busted her taking back the 1500 and taking another 2500. Then her phone, computer and car which was not even hers was taken. And of coarse on top of it all the girl has to pay a fine and some girls even get time in jail. This is nothing short of rape and robbery in the name of the law. IDA really needs to get on this because we not only live in a police state but a corrupt one at that.
The funny thing is I completely sympathized with her but she kept waffling. She did however give me a nice rub down but she couldn't relax enough to proceed with the service. So I basically said this was not pleasant for me either and we decided to go our separate ways. I would have been pissed if I wasn't slightly relieved. I didn't have to pay her anything and I got a decent 15 min body rub so I left ok about it. Plus I ended up seeing Nancy later which turned out to be a good experience.
I do remember her making me the first time drive all the way up there in the night only to all but shove me out the door in a paranoid hysteria. I hate LE drive escorts to such behavior but really these girls need to screen before letting you in the door not let you get all the way up there then change their minds.
In any case between the fake pictures, a bit of weight, and the crazy paranoia I strongly suggest to stay away.
In case your wondering the ad she is currently using the link is below.
[url]http://www.localescortpages.com/36/posts/8-Adult-Services/8-Female-Escorts/1770977-Kayla-317-412-9958.html[/url]
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First time reporter here but, I have been a very active participant for 6 years now. I have recently found this wonderful forum.
I thought that I would authenticate Slutcake's proposition for the coconut oil massage. In a word. STELLAR!
I spent two hours in a blissful, relaxed atmosphere that really made my day. SC's massage is very good. But, her seduction is excellent. I had a wonderful time that I can't wait to repeat.
Thanks M for an afternoon that I won't soon forget.
G
I have been in this hobby for a number of years. My first experience was not a very pleasant one. The contents of the events as they unfolded during my first experience had been mapped in my neural circuits. I was quite aware of the behavioral patterns that should serve as a warning sign thanks in large part to my first experience.
I had recognized similar behavioral patterns with alexisann quite early on in our conversation. A common theme throughout our conversation was how desperately she needed to pay her rent. At the start of our conversation she said that meeting me halfway would not be a problem. Her suggestion was for me to start driving south and she would drive north and we would meet in the middle. To find out where the middle was exactly she requested my address. At this point I became very hesitant because she displayed a similar behavior pattern as the first girl I ever met with. In this hobby one should always be aware of indecisiveness and its cognate, desperation.
She decided that we could at a location that was actually north of me. I thought that would work quite nicely because it was around 2:30 am. Leading up to that decision being made I suggested we meet some other time. I told her that it would be more convenient to meet at a later date because I wanted two hours but I was ninety dollars short of the normal fee. She said it would not be a problem and we should really meet because she needed to pay her rent. In my short trip to the hotel I received an inordinate amount of text messages. She also requested what kind of car I drove, which I believe is typical, and also a picture of myself.
She arrives with her driver parked somewhere that is not within my visual field. She walks over to my car and requested money to pay for the room. I made sure that I was not paying for the room because I requested incall and have always done so. She smelled like alcohol, which is just an observation. She assures me that she was just going inside to get the key and I could watch or come with her. I stay in the car and wait for her to return. She gives me the key and a business card with the room number on it. At this point she says her driver needs the money up front because she has been ripped off before. Obviously I had a huge problem with this and I made this known but she assured me that she was not the type of person to rip people off. She said the driver was her ex-husband and I asked if he knew what she does. She stated that he thinks she just gives dances. She proffered her pinky so she could swear that I could wait in the room or wait in my car and she would be right back. She said she does that with her kids all the time. While hesitant I reached into my pocket and gave her the money I just took out of the bank.
A few minutes later I get a text asking why I did not give the amount agreed upon. I had stopped at the bank for additional funds and placed the money in my jacket to supplement the money I had brought from home in my jeans pocket. I texted her back saying that it was an honest mistake and that she could come back and get the additional money. I was informed that her driver did not trust me and I tried to pull one over on her. It was obvious to her that I should have seen how nervous she was. I was highly perturbed by the whole situation although it was evident that they were not confused because they had already taken off. In a matter of moments her demeanor sharply changed as she was sending texts about how this should be a lesson to me and that I could come back when I had the full donation. She did invite me back to her incall room that she already had but that made no sense to me. She originally said she was 35 minutes from my address but later she said her incall was in a location that would be at most 20 minutes away and not going a mile over the speed limit. I had already paid for services that were not provided and I was not about to follow.
About two hours later her attitude changed again. She stated that she wanted to me and that we would definitely hook up the next day. She then sent me a picture of her, one that was already on e. Com. She was also nice enough to send me a picture of her husband to show me what kind of guy she likes. Earlier the same man had been her ex-husband. I never paid a second thought to hooking up the next day because I knew quite simply that I had been had. I do not bring emotions into any debate with me because once that is done the argument is lost. Therefore, I do not debate with others who are emotional. The proof of this incident is contained on my phone that through the wonders of smart phone technology can be uploaded for anyone to objectively critique. Penn and Teller have always done a wonderful job in calling bullshit so I thought I would give it the old college try.
I feel for you brother. I've been ripped off in the past too but have learned from some hard experiences to almost always pay after service. The last 9 out of 10 escorts didn't even ask until services were rendered. More importantly it is best to research before hand. However if you are willing to TOFTT then I'd suggest either paying afterward or placing the donation in a neutral location. If you feel compelled to take a risk and pay upfront I'd pay a HH then upgrade if you are pleased with the way things are going. Most escorts I have seen have been willing to do this. But any reputatable ones will accept payment afterward. Her is a list of escorts that didn't ask for funds upfront. Gabriella, Andrea, Nancy, Rachael (though do not recommend) , Kayla (also do not recommend) , Tessa, Vanessa, and Sue.
I'm your next experience will go better. It can be painful but we can learn from our mistakes, and that of others. Thanks for sharing.
[QUOTE=Chuchurocket; 1165505]I have been in this hobby for a number of years. My first experience was not a very pleasant one. The contents of the events as they unfolded during my first experience had been mapped in my neural circuits. I was quite aware of the behavioral patterns that should serve as a warning sign thanks in large part to my first experience.
I had recognized similar behavioral patterns with alexisann quite early on in our conversation. A common theme throughout our conversation was how desperately she needed to pay her rent. At the start of our conversation she said that meeting me halfway would not be a problem. Her suggestion was for me to start driving south and she would drive north and we would meet in the middle. To find out where the middle was exactly she requested my address. At this point I became very hesitant because she displayed a similar behavior pattern as the first girl I ever met with. In this hobby one should always be aware of indecisiveness and its cognate, desperation.
She decided that we could at a location that was actually north of me. I thought that would work quite nicely because it was around 2:30 am. Leading up to that decision being made I suggested we meet some other time. I told her that it would be more convenient to meet at a later date because I wanted two hours but I was ninety dollars short of the normal fee. She said it would not be a problem and we should really meet because she needed to pay her rent. In my short trip to the hotel I received an inordinate amount of text messages. She also requested what kind of car I drove, which I believe is typical, and also a picture of myself.
She arrives with her driver parked somewhere that is not within my visual field. She walks over to my car and requested money to pay for the room. I made sure that I was not paying for the room because I requested incall and have always done so. She smelled like alcohol, which is just an observation. She assures me that she was just going inside to get the key and I could watch or come with her. I stay in the car and wait for her to return. She gives me the key and a business card with the room number on it. At this point she says her driver needs the money up front because she has been ripped off before. Obviously I had a huge problem with this and I made this known but she assured me that she was not the type of person to rip people off. She said the driver was her ex-husband and I asked if he knew what she does. She stated that he thinks she just gives dances. She proffered her pinky so she could swear that I could wait in the room or wait in my car and she would be right back. She said she does that with her kids all the time. While hesitant I reached into my pocket and gave her the money I just took out of the bank.
A few minutes later I get a text asking why I did not give the amount agreed upon. I had stopped at the bank for additional funds and placed the money in my jacket to supplement the money I had brought from home in my jeans pocket. I texted her back saying that it was an honest mistake and that she could come back and get the additional money. I was informed that her driver did not trust me and I tried to pull one over on her. It was obvious to her that I should have seen how nervous she was. I was highly perturbed by the whole situation although it was evident that they were not confused because they had already taken off. In a matter of moments her demeanor sharply changed as she was sending texts about how this should be a lesson to me and that I could come back when I had the full donation. She did invite me back to her incall room that she already had but that made no sense to me. She originally said she was 35 minutes from my address but later she said her incall was in a location that would be at most 20 minutes away and not going a mile over the speed limit. I had already paid for services that were not provided and I was not about to follow.
About two hours later her attitude changed again. She stated that she wanted to me and that we would definitely hook up the next day. She then sent me a picture of her, one that was already on e. Com. She was also nice enough to send me a picture of her husband to show me what kind of guy she likes. Earlier the same man had been her ex-husband. I never paid a second thought to hooking up the next day because I knew quite simply that I had been had. I do not bring emotions into any debate with me because once that is done the argument is lost. Therefore, I do not debate with others who are emotional. The proof of this incident is contained on my phone that through the wonders of smart phone technology can be uploaded for anyone to objectively critique. Penn and Teller have always done a wonderful job in calling bullshit so I thought I would give it the old college try. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Chuchurocket; 1165505]I have been in this hobby for a number of years. My first experience was not a very pleasant one. The contents of the events as they unfolded during my first experience had been mapped in my neural circuits. I was quite aware of the behavioral patterns that should serve as a warning sign thanks in large part to my first experience.
I had recognized similar behavioral patterns with alexisann quite early on in our conversation. A common theme throughout our conversation was how desperately she needed to pay her rent. At the start of our conversation she said that meeting me halfway would not be a problem. Her suggestion was for me to start driving south and she would drive north and we would meet in the middle. To find out where the middle was exactly she requested my address. At this point I became very hesitant because she displayed a similar behavior pattern as the first girl I ever met with. In this hobby one should always be aware of indecisiveness and its cognate, desperation.
She decided that we could at a location that was actually north of me. I thought that would work quite nicely because it was around 2:30 am. Leading up to that decision being made I suggested we meet some other time. I told her that it would be more convenient to meet at a later date because I wanted two hours but I was ninety dollars short of the normal fee. She said it would not be a problem and we should really meet because she needed to pay her rent. In my short trip to the hotel I received an inordinate amount of text messages. She also requested what kind of car I drove, which I believe is typical, and also a picture of myself.
She arrives with her driver parked somewhere that is not within my visual field. She walks over to my car and requested money to pay for the room. I made sure that I was not paying for the room because I requested incall and have always done so. She smelled like alcohol, which is just an observation. She assures me that she was just going inside to get the key and I could watch or come with her. I stay in the car and wait for her to return. She gives me the key and a business card with the room number on it. At this point she says her driver needs the money up front because she has been ripped off before. Obviously I had a huge problem with this and I made this known but she assured me that she was not the type of person to rip people off. She said the driver was her ex-husband and I asked if he knew what she does. She stated that he thinks she just gives dances. She proffered her pinky so she could swear that I could wait in the room or wait in my car and she would be right back. She said she does that with her kids all the time. While hesitant I reached into my pocket and gave her the money I just took out of the bank.
A few minutes later I get a text asking why I did not give the amount agreed upon. I had stopped at the bank for additional funds and placed the money in my jacket to supplement the money I had brought from home in my jeans pocket. I texted her back saying that it was an honest mistake and that she could come back and get the additional money. I was informed that her driver did not trust me and I tried to pull one over on her. It was obvious to her that I should have seen how nervous she was. I was highly perturbed by the whole situation although it was evident that they were not confused because they had already taken off. In a matter of moments her demeanor sharply changed as she was sending texts about how this should be a lesson to me and that I could come back when I had the full donation. She did invite me back to her incall room that she already had but that made no sense to me. She originally said she was 35 minutes from my address but later she said her incall was in a location that would be at most 20 minutes away and not going a mile over the speed limit. I had already paid for services that were not provided and I was not about to follow.
About two hours later her attitude changed again. She stated that she wanted to me and that we would definitely hook up the next day. She then sent me a picture of her, one that was already on e. Com. She was also nice enough to send me a picture of her husband to show me what kind of guy she likes. Earlier the same man had been her ex-husband. I never paid a second thought to hooking up the next day because I knew quite simply that I had been had. I do not bring emotions into any debate with me because once that is done the argument is lost. Therefore, I do not debate with others who are emotional. The proof of this incident is contained on my phone that through the wonders of smart phone technology can be uploaded for anyone to objectively critique. Penn and Teller have always done a wonderful job in calling bullshit so I thought I would give it the old college try.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report Chuch.
What I would call the amount of donation that you made, for room and partial (amount of $ in error) that this gal drove off with;"a TUITIION payment", since you surely got an education. And nothing more. Now you know why you NEVER pay in advance, especially in these type of situations.
What is also puzzling to me is how / why any escort that engages in such scams, which I would elude to calling a robbery, justifies simply keeping the amount of dough, ray-me that you paid her. And simply drives off and calls it EVEN? Should this have happened to me, there would certainly have to be a cum-up-ance be learned on her part, but of course I would NEVER have handed her the wad to begin with. Nor do I deal with girls that have drivers, as a general rule. I have learned that this only leads to issues. But that is just me.
Was visiting the city and scheduled a meeting with Ms Shay. Was extremely easy to schedule. Her phone number is listed on her profile with some nice pics as well. I did provide references but later found out she never confirmed with any of the providers. We had very nice conversation on the phone, the location she suggested seemed to be in an upscale area of the city. We agreed on a time, I paid for the room and called her with the room number. Everything still was okay at this point. 30 min later. 45 min later, an hour later. Still no Shay, Ms Shay has decided not to answer her phone any longer. I decide to try to text her, this being the first text that I sent, and with her not answering my phone calls anymore, I was a little reluctant on getting a text back. To my surprise I did, and it was extremely defensive "I don't know you, lose my number", and I explain we have just talked on the phone 3 different times. She then proceeds to tell me "I'm crazy, lose my number". Being her number is on her e profile, I sent back that she may need to take her number down from her profile. She replies with she is going to turn me in and I'm crazy. I then text her ShayShay23. I never heard any more from her.
It appears there is many e providers in the Indy area that have some behaviroal issues. At least thats what I gather from recent reviews. I have never experienced this with e providers in the past. Possibily I'm coming to realize e will no longer be in existence. I have not wanted to believe what other mongers had said about the site recently. I have had such amazing encounters from e.
Varoom brings up a good point. Never ever deal with drivers. My worst experiences ever included drivers. Taxing the girl and leaving is one thing but muscle is a totally different game. Also I remember 3 other providers that did not ask for money in advance including Lacy, Misty, and Siera. That brings the total # of escorts I've experienced that did not ask for money until services were rendered to 11 out of the last 12. Again, if you have any doubts see the girl as an incall. Make her provide the room without paying for it. If things look dodgy you can always bounce. If absolutely necessary simply agree on a neutral location to leave the money. And if they still try to cheat you you can always take it back and or give her a consolation amount and simply leave.
[QUOTE=Varoom; 1165645]Thanks for the report Chuch.
What I would call the amount of donation that you made, for room and partial (amount of $ in error) that this gal drove off with;"a TUITIION payment", since you surely got an education. And nothing more. Now you know why you NEVER pay in advance, especially in these type of situations.
What is also puzzling to me is how / why any escort that engages in such scams, which I would elude to calling a robbery, justifies simply keeping the amount of dough, ray-me that you paid her. And simply drives off and calls it EVEN? Should this have happened to me, there would certainly have to be a cum-up-ance be learned on her part, but of course I would NEVER have handed her the wad to begin with. Nor do I deal with girls that have drivers, as a general rule. I have learned that this only leads to issues. But that is just me.[/QUOTE]
Tried to pm you about my question to you on Monday but your mailbox is full. I have info on the lady we have been discussing.
[QUOTE=Trench; 1165300]First time reporter here but, I have been a very active participant for 6 years now. I have recently found this wonderful forum.
I thought that I would authenticate Slutcake's proposition for the coconut oil massage. In a word. STELLAR!
I spent two hours in a blissful, relaxed atmosphere that really made my day. SC's massage is very good. But, her seduction is excellent. I had a wonderful time that I can't wait to repeat.
Thanks M for an afternoon that I won't soon forget.
G[/QUOTE]I enjoyed your company as well Mr Trench, you truly know how to make a lady feel very special. I'm looking forward to our next encounter also. I have been catching my self giggle today at the thought of Ladies hitting their local handyman store to scout potential husbands. (wink-wink)
Has anyone been with shay_shay23? In am traveling up to Indiana this weekend. I have found some posts on the internet that she has worked with LE. Has anyone seen her lately?
Has anyone seen shay_shay23 recently?
Thanks for letting us know. This reminds me of Mia the Hawaiian escort. The first time she was supposed to call me at a certain time before coming to see me. She did not call me till several hours after which I had already made plans. The second time I actually drove to her hotel location and called her to let her know I was there. She then told me she needed to take a shower to be all clean for her and to wait ten minutes then call her back. Long story short I called her for over an hour with no response. Later the next day she texted me and told me she had gotten in an accident. How could that have happened while she was taking a shower? My theory is that she went on a drug run. I'm glad we never saw each other but she was a colossal waste of time. BTW avoid the Ramada on I believe it was Raymond street. It is a heaven for low end prostitutes and scam artists with drug problems. If an escort ever wants to meet you there steer clear as the story above was not my first problem with this "hotel".
[QUOTE=Jackass2; 1165646]Was visiting the city and scheduled a meeting with Ms Shay. Was extremely easy to schedule. Her phone number is listed on her profile with some nice pics as well. I did provide references but later found out she never confirmed with any of the providers. We had very nice conversation on the phone, the location she suggested seemed to be in an upscale area of the city. We agreed on a time, I paid for the room and called her with the room number. Everything still was okay at this point. 30 min later. 45 min later, an hour later. Still no Shay, Ms Shay has decided not to answer her phone any longer. I decide to try to text her, this being the first text that I sent, and with her not answering my phone calls anymore, I was a little reluctant on getting a text back. To my surprise I did, and it was extremely defensive "I don't know you, lose my number", and I explain we have just talked on the phone 3 different times. She then proceeds to tell me "I'm crazy, lose my number". Being her number is on her e profile, I sent back that she may need to take her number down from her profile. She replies with she is going to turn me in and I'm crazy. I then text her ShayShay23. I never heard any more from her.
It appears there is many e providers in the Indy area that have some behaviroal issues. At least thats what I gather from recent reviews. I have never experienced this with e providers in the past. Possibily I'm coming to realize e will no longer be in existence. I have not wanted to believe what other mongers had said about the site recently. I have had such amazing encounters from e. [/QUOTE]