"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Gentlemen,

I am not trying to be obtuse, nor trying to be an asshole, but I am confused by the current dialogue about a pay-per-view camsite where you can "chat", in a group, with European women on your computer, while there are perfectly obtainable, domestic babies who you can actually fuck in real time!

To each his own, of course, but is this the proper venue for a "virtual sex" discussion? I, for one, would be very reluctant to book a flight to Prague to see someone who I had only "met" via her webcam.

Feel free to disagree,

Scott

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1824720]Gentlemen,

I am not trying to be obtuse, nor trying to be an asshole, but I am confused by the current dialogue about a pay-per-view camsite where you can "chat", in a group, with European women on your computer, while there are perfectly obtainable, domestic babies who you can actually fuck in real time!

To each his own, of course, but is this the proper venue for a "virtual sex" discussion? I, for one, would be very reluctant to book a flight to Prague to see someone who I had only "met" via her webcam.

Feel free to disagree,

Scott[/QUOTE]I definitely Agree!

I third that motion

So here is how things have lined up this week

ATF #1

10/10/10/8 Since we've renewed our relationship things are pretty good. She doesn't like to kiss so I have downgraded her to an overall 8. Otherwise she is a perfect 10. Her body is AMAZING! It is truly a joy to watch her in the nude.

Backup Babies (BB) SB #1 and 2 got the pink slip this week. They are too expensive for the mediocre experience. They are both BBWs and carry a little too much weight for me. They are both willing to provide on call services so if things got desperate I could always do that.

POT # 1 is on deck tonight for a M&G and is a 80% FC. She is a 28 yr old WF 8/9? She has kids and requires a hotel, so I am giving her $300 total which includes FC, gas, and sitter. Unfortunately she can only stay a few hours to play. But that should be enough to get the job done (hand, face, and vagina) If she is loving she could take the place of ATF in the lineup. Emotional connectivity counts for a lot even over a perfect 10.

SB # 1 is a 9/9/9/7 She is 22 with a blisteringly good body and cute face but has a baby and smokes heavily. So the overall experience is so so. If she lived closer I would make her a fuck buddy.

So there it is. I have 2 sure things and 1 almost in the bag. Three is the most I can afford and service properly and still take care of family and work business.

I like the nando scale. It really made me re-evaluate some of my choices.

This rating system is only my own. It is actually far more nuanced, but kept brief for easy reading.

1. Girls that go on the SD sites just to fantasize. Could be any age but mostly younger. OMG time wasters.

2. GPS girls. Enough said.

3. SW's or Escorts. If thats what you like, who am I to judge.

4. Wannabee's. Not good enough looking to be an SB. They're willing, you're not.

5. Dancers. Even though I date one. I met her before she became one.

6. UTR girls. Sometimes refered to as booty call girls. Smart escorts or even SW's will try to pretend they are UTR.

7. MILFS. They are all over the place as far as needs / wants / desires. But not too difficult to bag.

8. Older non pros. Statistically most SD's want 27 to 35 year olds.

9. Younger non pros. 22-26. They already have a few ideas and a little mileage.

10. Very young non pro first timers. 18-22. Never took cash or gifts from anyone ever, you are the first.

As far as age / race / skills / personality / body type / facial beauty / hair / overall style. Everyone here has their own ideal.

I find that harder to rate and see no reason to.

Brothers,

I may be dim, but I have always struggled to understand the difference / definition between UTR and non-pro. Is it a question of semantics, approach, self-definition, or what? According to my research, a non-pro is desirable, but a UTR is not, but it seems like they might be interchangeable, or am I just not getting it?

I await enlightenment,

Scott

And PS, I know what "UTR" means as far as an acronym, so please don't tell me to RTTF, lol! I'm looking for precision here, not Broad Brush.

Peace.

Somewhere along the line, someone was asking about the security of Google Voice with regard to hobbying. In short, it ain't secure at all. It needs your real phone number to connect calls and texts to your phone, which can be traced to you with a court order. It is true that you can use it without attaching it to any phone at all, but then you need to use a computer for everything, which activity can be traced as well.

It is however, a great convenience for the features, especially the number blocking,"Do not disturb" and different notification settings for different numbers.

You can't get away from a computer completely if you use an iPhone (neither the GV mobile web site, nor the iPhone app let you manage Google contacts, where you do all the good stuff about blocking and notifications) , but an Android phone may. I don't know about that, so you'd need to experiment.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1825613]Brothers,

I may be dim, but I have always struggled to understand the difference / definition between UTR and non-pro. Is it a question of semantics, approach, self-definition, or what? According to my research, a non-pro is desirable, but a UTR is not, but it seems like they might be interchangeable, or am I just not getting it?

I await enlightenment,

Scott.

And PS, I know what "UTR" means as far as an acronym, so please don't tell me to RTTF, LOL! I'm looking for precision here, not Broad Brush.

Peace.[/QUOTE]For me, UTR has always meant a pro who doesn't advertise, or only advertises occasionally, or keeps only a few familiar clients and doesn't stray from them very often except in special cases.

Whereas a non-pro is just that. Might take some sugar, but doesn't acknowledge selling it per se, even though she is.

I consider the sugar baby I had to have been a non-pro. If she was doing others, she wasn't obvious about it so I would have called her UTR.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1825613]Brothers,

I may be dim, but I have always struggled to understand the difference / definition between UTR and non-pro. Is it a question of semantics, approach, self-definition, or what? According to my research, a non-pro is desirable, but a UTR is not, but it seems like they might be interchangeable, or am I just not getting it?

I await enlightenment,

Scott.

And PS, I know what "UTR" means as far as an acronym, so please don't tell me to RTTF, LOL! I'm looking for precision here, not Broad Brush.

Peace.[/QUOTE]A UTR is a pro on the down low.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1825613]Brothers,

I may be dim, but I have always struggled to understand the difference / definition between UTR and non-pro. Is it a question of semantics, approach, self-definition, or what? According to my research, a non-pro is desirable, but a UTR is not, but it seems like they might be interchangeable, or am I just not getting it?

I await enlightenment,

Scott.

And PS, I know what "UTR" means as far as an acronym, so please don't tell me to RTTF, LOL! I'm looking for precision here, not Broad Brush.

Peace.[/QUOTE]They are very close indeed. I'd venture the following:

UTR: Is someone who is in it for the money, just doesn't want to advertise. She's the type that will let you refer friends.

Non-Pro: Is someone who needs the money, but wants more of a connection and doesn't want her information shared as she's not doing this as a profession.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1824720]Gentlemen,

I am not trying to be obtuse, nor trying to be an asshole, but I am confused by the current dialogue about a pay-per-view camsite where you can "chat", in a group, with European women on your computer, while there are perfectly obtainable, domestic babies who you can actually fuck in real time!

To each his own, of course, but is this the proper venue for a "virtual sex" discussion? I, for one, would be very reluctant to book a flight to Prague to see someone who I had only "met" via her webcam.

Feel free to disagree,

Scott[/QUOTE]Not going to disagree. The [I]entire [/I]idea of cam-girls, foreign or domestic, seems a little on the silly side to me. No touch interactive porn at escort, or at least street hooker, prices. I don't get it.

Well, as mentioned last week, I am just back from NJ and what a beautiful night with SB. But so far, I have been able to keep my SD name with her. But my SB heard my last name when hotel concierge service called me. And also at dinner reservation. Too bad. With my last name and location, SB can really find my info. This topic has been discussed many times. On this forum, like using prepaid card, requesting hotel under different name. I am almost thinking. Requesting hotel to place it under my pet name. Or something! I want to try that next time. I have not revealed my family status.

I was in a 5-star hotel. And pretty much formal. Got in trouble! But at the end SB is telling me everything about her life. Don't want to open my personal life! Now I am thinking. Is this going to work! Can a good SB. Will like a truth? Can they digest? When I entered in SD / Sb first time. 1 SB. Rejected me after she found out the truth. I don't know this will last longer. Unless I learn to create a complete false identity- credit card / pre-paid with SD name, book hotel under different name, etc. I want to go for 2-3 day long trip. And hoping. To have a plan.

I just can't reveal my real identity as it will call for disaster! 1) I know this SB will leave 2) personal life will get destroyed. Need to go back and look at some of the pros like HollywoodGuy, Scott, Revvo, BiggT have written. I thought I have read entire forum twice and followed up daily basis. But. Need to come up with plan.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1824720]To each his own, of course, but is this the proper venue for a "virtual sex" discussion? I, for one, would be very reluctant to book a flight to Prague to see someone who I had only "met" via her webcam.

Feel free to disagree,

Scott[/QUOTE]I agree. Virtual sex? Bah. Waste of time and energy.

Flying to Prague to see someone I'd only met online? Now we're talking sex tourism. Still not the right thread. But I've done variations of this 5 times. Very cost effective. And every one was a simply outstanding experience.

Well, I am going back to old info on our forum and acting now. I just created a brand new gmail account (google+) , FB page, Linkedln. Working on to make a true person and creating a social media image. I want that to come on Google search when someone look for my name. I want to use my SD name! Prepaid card and need to work on a new cell phone.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;1825883]Well, I am going back to old info on our forum and acting now. I just created a brand new gmail account (google+) , FB page, Linkedln. Working on to make a true person and creating a social media image. I want that to come on Google search when someone look for my name. I want to use my SD name! Prepaid card and need to work on a new cell phone.[/QUOTE]King,

I book the hotels through Expedia and it asks for who you want the trip booked through? And I put the baby's name. Then use my credit card to make the prepaid reservation. Then I call Expedia customer service and tell them I need my name put on the reservation to check in and I do this on the day of checkin.

When I check in the hotel has her name but will let me check in. And I sit her down in the lobby to play with her phone while I am checking in so she does not overhear anything. Then another nice touch is that a lot of the higher end hotels have installed IP phones with the large display in the room and when you go into the room it has your full name. The name displayed has been my SB's name not mine. Since I have done this.

So this way I have been able to access the room and it be in my SB's name. Worked so far with Expedia and a particular hotel I have been using.

You may want to try this. Almost seems foolproof. But not sure how it will work at other hotels.

Lets be careful out there.

Revvo