Mongering & Violence- not a match
[QUOTE=BeefNoodleSoup;6456470]I would consider myself a seasoned veteran. I have many regulars out there who go out of their way to see me. I get a long well with all of them.
With that said. I think sometimes you are forced into a situation where violence is your only option. Generally it is best to avoid red flags that lead up to violent situations but sometimes you are forced into it.
Most of the girls out there are at rock bottom. The good ones treat you well if you treat them well and vice versa. But there are some out there that have no problem ripping you off or hurting you for drug money.
There was one time where I had to get violent with someone. She didn't keep her end of the arrangement and I said I wasn't going to take her back. I let her keep the money. She took the money from the beginning but I didn't really want to fight over money, but she was being very unpleasant so I declined to take her back. It was probably just a 5 minute walk. Then she got angry and started attacking me. I'm probably double her size so I easily overpowered her, kicked her out and drove off.
I've been told that I'm much more buffer than the typical monger so even the threat of violence is enough to get rid of most problem girls.
Usually if there is an option to get rid of them for 5-10 dollars, I'd probably take it. I've even given one of my regulars half of what I was going to give her because she looked and smelled very gross and sickly that day.
I think we have disagreed with this in the past. Either you or someone else suggested having some fake bills to throw at them. Personally I'm not a big fan of fake bills. I imagine some mongers would try to rip girls off with fake bills and I'm generally not a fan of the idea of fake bills circulating around. And for me, the money is not a big loss for me. [b]I think it is better for the whole community to squash out the problem girls who make their drug money only ripping mongers off.[/b][/QUOTE]Yes BeefNoddleSoup, it is no secret that I have advocated and even pounded the table against violence against girls on these forums. That said I appreciate the kind way you approached this topic. Sorry you had a bad experience once.
What I will say, from my perspective, is that ANY agreement to use violence only gives cover to the numbnuts that are inclined toward violence anyway. Why should they change if they can point to someone who says it is OK? It is NOT okay!
But if you think about it, why would any monger turn a misdemeanor charge into a Felony? That is what adding violence to your play book does.
Personally I have never had to resort to violence, and have been in my fair share of scrapes. I always tell the girls, that you win better in the long run using your head & brains than your fists. So IF I ever had resorted to violence I would consider that a failure by me! Failure to be prepared, failure to have alternatives, failure to get out of a situation because I was too lazy to learn different techniques or a failure because I was unwilling to change.
Yes, fake bills is one technique. Sounds like, from VERY experienced monger Gator145, it is very effective for getting a problem girl out of the car. So if it is effective, then why would any monger reject tat tool, er, without having a equivalent replacement? I mean even if one loses the entire date amount (30-60) to insure perd.
One can wish to change the game, teach girls lessons and improve things, but when dealing with drug addled SWs thta likely isn't guna happen. So as mongers, we learn to do our best to avoid and manage conflict & danger. Let the experts deal with the social engineering.
Mongers are always Adjusting & Adapting. Avoid violence!
[QUOTE=BeefNoodleSoup;6459113]I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
Imagine you go to a restaurant and order a burger and they give you a turd in your burger. Then when you complain about it they start punching you. In this situation, it is perfectly reasonable to defend yourself and fight back. This is what some SW do. They don't intend to give any services and just try to get as much money from mongers as possible and some of them aren't afraid to use violence to get their way. In cases where they refuse to leave your car unless you give them money, it's like the restaurant holding you hostage until you give them money. It's best for society if we stand up to these bad actors.
I imagine there are some mongers who are physically unable to get violent. One girl told me about a monger that is disabled. They went to the Carlyle and she had to help him into a wheel chair and push him in. During the act, he was quite impotent so she pretty much just had to do a sensual lap dance.
I had a random thought the other day. I've probably seen hundreds of SW on the ave. If it is a fight to the death using only our bare hands, I think I can take all 100+ all at once. It is really no contest who would win. Therefore I don't use it against them unless the situation calls for it.
Regarding fake bills, I am against it. People on Kensington get killed over using fake bills. I imagine you don't have much of an economics background, but our trust in money is critical for a functioning society. Furthermore, I imagine most mongers who carry fake bills often use it to rip off girls, even those that do a good job.
To each their own. You are entitled to your opinion and you are entitled to play the game as you see fit. But for me, there are definitely times in life that call for violence. Additionally, I don't know what your financial situation is like, but I am in a pretty comfortable financial position. I really don't have to resort to using fake bills for anything. If you find it useful then go ahead and do what you do. I am just against it in principle.[/QUOTE]Oh wow! I'm blown away that you believe what you wrote! SMH.
IF in yer scenario in the restaurant THEY start punching you, then you document it, call the police and have them arrested for assault / battery AND get an attorney and sue the pants off them. You just won the lottery! But NO! You punch back and YOU risk getting arrested too for assault, or whatever. You just blew your chance to win the lotto! In that example VIOLENCE is a terrible choice to make.
In the example of the girl, tossing her money, is the cost of doing bidness: an occasional loss. So what? You toss her some money to get her out of your car? You avoid being a douche who beats up helpless druggie girls? It happens to all of us. Do we like losing money- NO! But it happens. But thinking that beating the girl up is teaching her a lesson and better for society is just wrong. You ain't gunna change the girls, you ain't improving society. Rather you are degrading it by accepting Violence as the solution!
But I get it, some people are so animalistic and the only way they know how to deal with conflict is violence. That is why we are where we are in society. No more thick skin (sticks & stones), someone "offends" you they need to be "canceled," so pull out a gun & shoot them! I'm justified, I was OFFENDED! Sigh.
You can be against fake bills to rip off girls. I agree with that. So don't use fake bills to rip-off girls! But why can't you have some in your shirt pocket as a back-up plan to get rid of a problem girl? That is a valid technique you COULD use, to avoid Violence! BUT, if one remembers the discussion several months ago, Gator145 and other had several other techniques one could use to get a problem child outof your car. Surely one isn't unwilling to learn something new? Surely one doesn't know it all and can't pick up some new techniques to avoid violence?
Come on man! You're a seasoned monger, you're better than that! We are all always learning & adapting to the game. Me thinks you can learn and adapt too! Find some techniques to avoid violence!
Good luck!
You are living in a fantasy world
[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6459344]Oh wow! I'm blown away that you believe what you wrote! SMH.
IF in yer scenario in the restaurant THEY start punching you, then you document it, call the police and have them arrested for assault / battery AND get an attorney and sue the pants off them. You just won the lottery! But NO! You punch back and YOU risk getting arrested too for assault, or whatever. You just blew your chance to win the lotto! In that example VIOLENCE is a terrible choice to make.
In the example of the girl, tossing her money, is the cost of doing bidness: an occasional loss. So what? You toss her some money to get her out of your car? You avoid being a douche who beats up helpless druggie girls? It happens to all of us. Do we like losing money- NO! But it happens. But thinking that beating the girl up is teaching her a lesson and better for society is just wrong. You ain't gunna change the girls, you ain't improving society. Rather you are degrading it by accepting Violence as the solution!
But I get it, some people are so animalistic and the only way they know how to deal with conflict is violence. That is why we are where we are in society. No more thick skin (sticks & stones), someone "offends" you they need to be "canceled," so pull out a gun & shoot them! I'm justified, I was OFFENDED! Sigh.
You can be against fake bills to rip off girls. I agree with that. So don't use fake bills to rip-off girls! But why can't you have some in your shirt pocket as a back-up plan to get rid of a problem girl? That is a valid technique you COULD use, to avoid Violence! BUT, if one remembers the discussion several months ago, Gator145 and other had several other techniques one could use to get a problem child outof your car. Surely one isn't unwilling to learn something new? Surely one doesn't know it all and can't pick up some new techniques to avoid violence?
Come on man! You're a seasoned monger, you're better than that! We are all always learning & adapting to the game. Me thinks you can learn and adapt too! Find some techniques to avoid violence!
Good luck![/QUOTE]Shampoo. In all seriousness, you and I are living in two different worlds. You must have lived a very sheltered life.
In the restaurant example, if you don't fight back you are dead. They are not dumb enough to let you go and so that you can return to sue them.
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Here is an example of one person who was put in a situation and couldn't fight back. He died. In this particular case, the victim's family members are lucky that this incident was caught on tape. Most of the time these incidents are not caught on tape. The victim didn't or couldn't fight back and they died and their attackers go on to live another day to victimize others.
Here is another unavoidable situation that I personally went through. I was meeting an escort who I have met several times before. Usually she would work out of a room in a crack house but on that day she had a room in a low budget motel in Jersey. After I boned her, I was returning to my car. Then some dude attacks me from behind and tackles me to the ground. While he was trying to bring me down, I thought he might have had a knife and tried to stab me. Luckily he didn't. We ended up wrestling for a few seconds before he gives up and runs off. My guess is that that guy was a jealous bf who didn't make any money that day stealing from stores. If I didn't fight back, he would have taken my wallet, phone, car keys. I would have been screwed or dead.
What would you do in that situation? My guess is you would no longer be around to preach your pacifist gospel.
Sometimes in life, especially in Philly, we are put into violent situations where we need to fight back or we suffer losses that we can't come back from.