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[QUOTE=Bloozer;2831801]He overlooked Nicole or Nikki. She doesn't do it for me. Way too big. But she will FS and BBBJ. She's usually at Mama Dees (Holland), or East West.
[URL]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/nicoleblack-hair-grey-eyes/23676642[/URL]
[URL]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/playmate-of-the-yr-sexxii-nikka/23666402[/URL][/QUOTE]I overlooked her because she's not Asian. He seemed to be looking for AMPs. Plus Nikki is Fugly and into some type of Candy.
[QUOTE=Monger01;2831912]I thought LA was shut down?[/QUOTE]It was open in Oct / Nov when I last went. They get raided and shut down about every 2 years and always reopen. They are super paranoid on your first visit because of the history, but sweet as pie after the know you are cool.
[QUOTE=Charlie441;2831640]A MP gets 60. Sure the gal will only get a cut of that, as expected. It's not a $60/ hr job. [/QUOTE]As far as I understand these joints, the girl gets nothing from the time fee. That goes 100% to the house. The girls work solely for tips. That's based on the conversations I have at places I frequent, and the girls usually know me pretty well, and are generally open about their job, life and such.
In any case, my tip standard is same as the time charge. That's mostly $40 half hour, $40 tip. And for that, I expect a standard rub and tug experience, with a fun, fit, young woman who gets naked or nearly so and welcomes roaming throughout the session. If I really enjoy a girl or session, I will sometimes throw in another $20.
At that level of tipping, even the busy girls are not making $60 an hour, because there is down time between every session, and even the most requested girls can sit idle for half the time they are at the parlor. After you break it all down, it is easy money, but not really big money these girls are making.
I would be interested to hear, though, if my tipping level is about standard, or am I contributing to GPS. Please post or PM.
[QUOTE=Tom70;2832270]As far as I understand these joints, the girl gets nothing from the time fee. That goes 100% to the house. The girls work solely for tips. That's based on the conversations I have at places I frequent, and the girls usually know me pretty well, and are generally open about their job, life and such.
In any case, my tip standard is same as the time charge. That's mostly $40 half hour, $40 tip. And for that, I expect a standard rub and tug experience, with a fun, fit, young woman who gets naked or nearly so and welcomes roaming throughout the session. If I really enjoy a girl or session, I will sometimes throw in another $20.
At that level of tipping, even the busy girls are not making $60 an hour, because there is down time between every session, and even the most requested girls can sit idle for half the time they are at the parlor. After you break it all down, it is easy money, but not really big money these girls are making.
I would be interested to hear, though, if my tipping level is about standard, or am I contributing to GPS. Please post or PM.[/QUOTE]Your tip level is exactly what I do. I drop to 20 if its half-assed massage or HE.
I'll go to 80 only for BBBJ or FS but that's a very rare menu item so seldom happens.
[QUOTE=Tom70;2832270]As far as I understand these joints, the girl gets nothing from the time fee. That goes 100% to the house. The girls work solely for tips. That's based on the conversations I have at places I frequent, and the girls usually know me pretty well, and are generally open about their job, life and such.
In any case, my tip standard is same as the time charge. That's mostly $40 half hour, $40 tip. And for that, I expect a standard rub and tug experience, with a fun, fit, young woman who gets naked or nearly so and welcomes roaming throughout the session. If I really enjoy a girl or session, I will sometimes throw in another $20.
At that level of tipping, even the busy girls are not making $60 an hour, because there is down time between every session, and even the most requested girls can sit idle for half the time they are at the parlor. After you break it all down, it is easy money, but not really big money these girls are making.
I would be interested to hear, though, if my tipping level is about standard, or am I contributing to GPS. Please post or PM.[/QUOTE]They are lying to you Tom. Why not? You wouldn't tip as much if you know the truth.
They get half of the door fee. The MP splits 50/50. The honest ones will tell you the truth.
[QUOTE=Benz1;2832403]They are lying to you Tom. Why not? You wouldn't tip as much if you know the truth.
They get half of the door fee. The MP splits 50/50. The honest ones will tell you the truth.[/QUOTE]Benz is right. Any girl that says they don't get any of the door fee is blowing smoke up your ass. I've seen Mama Dee, Jenifer and Kiet hand the girls their cut of the door fee. Some girls get 40 of the 60 for an hour because they "supervise" or bring in a lot of business.
[QUOTE=NoseJelly;2832476]Benz is right. Any girl that says they don't get any of the door fee is blowing smoke up your ass. I've seen Mama Dee, Jenifer and Kiet hand the girls their cut of the door fee. Some girls get 40 of the 60 for an hour because they "supervise" or bring in a lot of business.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Benz1;2832403] The MP splits 50/50. The honest ones will tell you the truth.[/QUOTE]Well I will "out" myself I am a provider at a local MP. Just to clear up the misconception about how much we get from the room rate it veries from 50/50 if you are legit with a license and then it goes to $20 hour /$10 half hour if you are not licensed. The MPs also take 10% of your tips if the client tips on a credit card. We also have to pay for supplies of $10-20 a week. Oh and if the provider goes over the half hour or hour then the provider needs to cough up the portion of the room rate for the additional time. I never short my clients there time but this might be a reason why some of the other ladies do so. I troll this page just to make sure if something is said about myself I will improve upon my services. Most ladies will tell you all about the MP but please remember that they are giving you information pertinent to them and all MP providers are not the same.
[QUOTE=Dddinks;2832490]Well I will "out" myself I am a provider at a local MP. Just to clear up the misconception about how much we get from the room rate it veries from 50/50 if you are legit with a license and then it goes to $20 hour /$10 half hour if you are not licensed. The MPs also take 10% of your tips if the client tips on a credit card. We also have to pay for supplies of $10-20 a week. Oh and if the provider goes over the half hour or hour then the provider needs to cough up the portion of the room rate for the additional time. I never short my clients there time but this might be a reason why some of the other ladies do so. I troll this page just to make sure if something is said about myself I will improve upon my services. Most ladies will tell you all about the MP but please remember that they are giving you information pertinent to them and all MP providers are not the same.[/QUOTE]Clearing the air??
It is not all about the money for me, some of these girls don't give good massages because they are lazy, just because they are the pretty one you pick doesn't get them the pot of gold. Plus I've noticed that some want more than an escorts BJ for a HJ.
Fine, if they want to be that way, I moved on and will get the occasional massage from a good mp and absolutely no expectations of anything else. Then see a good escort for the extras.
When I left the MP curcuit in Grand Rapids they all lost money. And I'm not the only one that has left, so all of the gps has cost them more revenue in the long run.
Happy Hobbying with GrandRapids escorts for extras not MPs.
[QUOTE=NoseJelly;2832121]I overlooked her because she's not Asian. He seemed to be looking for AMPs. Plus Nikki is Fugly and into some type of Candy.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info! I was actually hoping for non AMP. In Detroit, that seems to be all that we have.
[QUOTE=Benz1;2832512]Clearing the air??
It is not all about the money for me, some of these girls don't give good massages because they are lazy, just because they are the pretty one you pick doesn't get them the pot of gold. Plus I've noticed that some want more than an escorts BJ for a HJ.
Fine, if they want to be that way, I moved on and will get the occasional massage from a good mp and absolutely no expectations of anything else. Then see a good escort for the extras.
When I left the MP curcuit in Grand Rapids they all lost money. And I'm not the only one that has left, so all of the gps has cost them more revenue in the long run.
Happy Hobbying with GrandRapids escorts for extras not MPs.[/QUOTE]No harm intended from letter one. I don't believe this was all necessary. Once again I am usually a silent background observer. I have learned many things here. Hell I have learned a lot from different girls and shops. When I tipped a full $ for the service it was not just for a massage.
*Yes the room was clean. That gets credit. But I walked through a dirty shop to get to it. Pile of dishes and filthy floors with trash all over. In her room I know that the towels have been cleaned and not just flipped over.
*Yes I paid extra for starting a massage with a massage instead of bickering about a menu. As things were moving along with talk and feel it must have warmed up in the room. I could tell because she got comfy. All while having an intelligent conversation and a massage I wanted. Sometimes I need a powerful massage and sometimes I want my hair to stand straight up and I'm ready for a flip.
*upon being cleaned up with clean hot towels I flip and still so pocket picking. Gouging for a shirt or roaming into a volcano. She did hand me hand sanitizer and I got the point. Really!! Very nice.
*A HJ with a smile, grin, wink, nibble and speed rate by my breath and look. It's so good I don't care if she is not DD. Her hands and or a body slide are close to the feel yet safe without a cover.
*After the cleanup I also have a choice to finish with cuddling, massage or shower. My choice. I am not hurried along.
*Many times I call days ahead so that I can see her at the time of my choice. When I do not have time to schedule and just walk in because I'm going to erupt I will walk out if she is not available and handle it myself or comeback hopefully in an hour or so.
*My home and Business are only an Hour away so I can usually accommodate. She is a busy girl and a skilled one.
*don't need a Dr. , ok, maybe a fetish, I cannot believe the stories and acting / knowledge this girl has. She is NOT like the other girls.
This is all not an advertiser for her. But it is damn sure worth one $. I have never gone to an escort and I have never been to a AMP for FS. It's not to say you cannot.
Now to add because now I'm a target. I TOFTT. This past Monday I tried a Nail / Massage place on a side road south east 2 blocks of 44th and the. AP for a full Rub was $60 and as I caressed a beautiful calf and up all I got was / not here. No. Asking for a clearer view and a more adult feel I got nothing. On my stomach I was in a full birthday suit. I did it pay to get on the table. On the chair had my phone, $$ and pillow underneath them. Still no sales on the flip. Upon the flip she then covered the bouncing wood. I pulled it to the side a few times and asked for a more beach like view. It was apparent why I was there and was going to be generous. Her name was see together with indy. Very nice but even just a great sport and good massage I donated 20.
And leaver her I did not get altoids and water. Just classy by the girl at the 44th and Kallamazo location by the name, a shade of red.
Thanks and good night. No harm no foul. Amber is a beautiful shade of red. Hope she sticks around.
I'm going to "out" myself too! I'm not really an older, horny, out of shape Monger with grey hair. I'm really a 26 year old, in shape, 6 pack abs, Brad Pitt / David Beckham looking Stud with GCS (golden cock syndrome)! I hope I won't be treated like a piece of fresh young meat, but instead, treated with kindness and love and above all, like a Human Being!
Thank You and Godspeed.
NJ.
[QUOTE=Dddinks;2832490]The MPs also take 10% of your tips if the client tips on a credit card. We also have to pay for supplies of $10-20 a week. Oh and if the provider goes over the half hour or hour then the provider needs to cough up the portion of the room rate for the additional time. I never short my clients there time but this might be a reason why some of the other ladies do so.[/QUOTE]10% of the Tip. Sounds like you work for Jennifer. Laywers ain't cheap!
The going over time worries are easily solved by utilizing a Clock. I know Kiet at Pacific loses his mind when the girls go over. But to be real, a lot of these girls, the young ones and a few older ones like Jennifer, are constantly fucking with their smartphones DURING the massage! The phone has the time on it! So, shorting the customer or going over shouldn't be an issue.
My High Horse is tripping over my Soap Box so it's time to sign out kids!
NJ.
(The Riddler) speaks of necessity, postings are necessary for information to be shared by mongers on the prowl including the Riddler.
Postings will expose bad sevices or no service and lies being told to us by the providers. This was an Epic stream of info started by the Riddler. Hopefully this thread has been helpful in exposing the lies being told to Tom and probably many others about the house fee split.
Kudos to the honest provider that shared her information on the situation. Maybe someday she can expose herself to all of us. So we can thank her properly for her honesty. (Plus it would be nice to get a free peak at the goodies, when she exposes herself). Honesty does have a payday, not right away but someday. Thank you Dddinks. (Expose yourself) (Now Damit) (We want to see the goodies).
This post was written straight forward, I hope everyone can understand it without the winding road of riddles.
[QUOTE=JackRabbit2;2832672]No harm intended from letter one. I don't believe this was all necessary. Once again I am usually a silent background observer. I have learned many things here. Hell I have learned a lot from different girls and shops. When I tipped a full $ for the service it was not just for a massage.
*Yes the room was clean. That gets credit. But I walked through a dirty shop to get to it. Pile of dishes and filthy floors with trash all over. In her room I know that the towels have been cleaned and not just flipped over.
*Yes I paid extra for starting a massage with a massage instead of bickering about a menu. As things were moving along with talk and feel it must have warmed up in the room. I could tell because she got comfy. All while having an intelligent conversation and a massage I wanted. Sometimes I need a powerful massage and sometimes I want my hair to stand straight up and I'm ready for a flip.
*upon being cleaned up with clean hot towels I flip and still so pocket picking. Gouging for a shirt or roaming into a volcano. She did hand me hand sanitizer and I got the point. Really!! Very nice.
*A HJ with a smile, grin, wink, nibble and speed rate by my breath and look. It's so good I don't care if she is not DD. Her hands and or a body slide are close to the feel yet safe without a cover.
*After the cleanup I also have a choice to finish with cuddling, massage or shower. My choice. I am not hurried along.
*Many times I call days ahead so that I can see her at the time of my choice. When I do not have time to schedule and just walk in because I'm going to erupt I will walk out if she is not available and handle it myself or comeback hopefully in an hour or so.
*My home and Business are only an Hour away so I can usually accommodate. She is a busy girl and a skilled one.
*don't need a Dr. , ok, maybe a fetish, I cannot believe the stories and acting / knowledge this girl has. She is NOT like the other girls.
This is all not an advertiser for her. But it is damn sure worth one $. I have never gone to an escort and I have never been to a AMP for FS. It's not to say you cannot.
Now to add because now I'm a target. I TOFTT. This past Monday I tried a Nail / Massage place on a side road south east 2 blocks of 44th and the. AP for a full Rub was $60 and as I caressed a beautiful calf and up all I got was / not here. No. Asking for a clearer view and a more adult feel I got nothing. On my stomach I was in a full birthday suit. I did it pay to get on the table. On the chair had my phone, $$ and pillow underneath them. Still no sales on the flip. Upon the flip she then covered the bouncing wood. I pulled it to the side a few times and asked for a more beach like view. It was apparent why I was there and was going to be generous. Her name was see together with indy. Very nice but even just a great sport and good massage I donated 20.
And leaver her I did not get altoids and water. Just classy by the girl at the 44th and Kallamazo location by the name, a shade of red.
Thanks and good night. No harm no foul. Amber is a beautiful shade of red. Hope she sticks around.[/QUOTE]Got to say, just my opinion, but all 3 of your posts about Amber and pushing why a $100 tip for a HJ is acceptable sounds like they were either written by Amber herself or a shill or a seriously wimpy guy. After reading your post I wouldn't see her if even if her expected tip was a more lnnormal $40, any lady who uses deceit to try to drum up business goes on my no see list, whether or not she has Golden Pussy Syndrome.
[QUOTE=Tom70;2815008]I can offer some thoughts on the Panacea girls. I'll PM you. (Anyone else, PM me if you want some intel).[/QUOTE]Saw Allison last week. She has a decent body in a decent face. Very friendly but did not offer any extras. Very nice ending topless only.