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[QUOTE=Reviews101;5052306]YMMV on the photo. She asked for it even said half my face would be fine but I refused at first she required it but she must have needed the money the first time and eventually came around. Sounds like she's been busier so she might be getting more strict about a verification photo. She's a nice girl and carries herself professionally. She said she has a two year old that she needs to support so that's why she does what she does. Didn't see any signs of D&D, it's refreshing given that most of the girls these days seem to be high on something.[/QUOTE]

Teetime...

Regarding pictures... Find out some of her favorite movie or TV stars. Send her a blurry pic of that guy. Me I send them Homer Simpson and say look it will do a LEO check when we meet. IF either of us are un-comfortable we part ways. No harm no foul.

Stay safe!

[QUOTE=Reviews101;5052200]I've seen Sarah a couple times in the last week or so, BBBJCIM car date in her driveway only. The first time I was a little uncomfortable in her driveway as it is a fairly active neighborhood - people walking and outside in their yards. But I kind of like the risk of getting caught without getting caught.

Saw her yesterday for a Halloween blowie for 70 but she asks for 80-100. I've noticed she asked how much you are going to donate as opposed to telling you her rates. It's her way of prioritizing who she sees first. Highest bidder gets the spoils. I pull up and text her that I've arrived and shortly after her neighbor pulled into their driveway at the same time she walked outside. We hop in the backseat. She let me record the whole appt and her only request was that I email her the video too. I asked her why and told her I wasn't going to share it with anyone and she replied "I want to see it too. " atta'girl lmao. I drop-trou as she takes her hoodie off and exposes her young tight body and I'd guess B / C breasts. She wastes no time gets to work on a very spirited sloppy BBBJ just the way I like it. I've only had one or two other providers suck like she does, 15 min later I unload in her mouth without missing a sucking stroke she swallows and cleans up every drop. I've had girls tell me on multiple occasions that I provide them with a more generous amount of cum then most guys. Sarah didn't have this problem - I actually had to go back and watch the video to figure out when she swallowed - I'm still baffled haha. The whole time her elderly (late 50's- early 60's probably) neighbor was unloading stuff from his truck. Little do they know (or maybe they do) what their neighbor is doing less than 30 yards from their house! Makes me wonder what my neighbors do on their free time, haha.

She's in a convenient location for me not to repeat several times over. I get sick of driving to Canton and Detroit areas. Just wish she offered FS but I'll keep asking LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnInv;5051759]Just saw Trinity yesterday. Don't know where the rumors of her being fat came from because shit definitely not. Had a fantastic session with her. Caught at a great time as I only came (and paid) for a ss, but ended up getting almost an hour worth of her time. Communicating with her is always an adventure. But when I was with her, she showed me her phone and she had over 400 unread texts. LOL. She says she sometimes get confused with who she is talking to. Anyway. Fantastic bbj, cfs, multiple positions. And she just oozes sexuality. I don't use the term "ATF". But right now, she would qualify as that for me. And I usually like thicker women, but she takes the cake. Also was able to get her real phone number so I can bypass all the text app messages she gets. I'll be seeing her a lot in the near future. If you can get a hold of her. She well worth the visit.[/QUOTE]What's the deal with all the reviews, posts, and or reports, without links. Could we please post links when posting.

[QUOTE=EDPills;5052362]What's the deal with all the reviews, posts, and or reports, without links. Could we please post links when posting.[/QUOTE]No offense but RTF. If you click the OP link or scroll through the forum you will usually find a link. I ask for links sometimes too but only if I can't find it.

https://escortbabylon.net/posts_list/3134032284/1

Trinity isn't posting right now.

Kristina came over a couple weeks ago for a 200 hr outcall (drove about 35 min). Contrary to popular belief I prefer outcall especially the first time meeting as I have control over the environment. Set up was easy asked for 275 but she must have been in need because she quickly dropped her rate to 250 then 200. Asked her to drive herself and she confirmed, she promptly showed up an hour later and was dropped off in one of those small size utility trucks. Kinda shady especially because she said she'd be driving herself and I usually don't like lurkers but she was there and I just said F it. She's cute, real tiny. Maybe 5'3" 100 lbs, no chest and wears glasses. Hard to really tell if it's the girl in the pics. Outgoing personality, after alittle bit of small talk we head to the bedroom. We get naked and she starts on a somewhat enthusiastic BBBJ after several minutes she slips the cover on and hops on top, she rode as best she could felt good enough, switched to K9 then mish and ended with BBBJCIM. Pretty standard encounter in my book.

Update/Edit - Now that I think of it she did have the same tattoos as the pictures. She's cute just not as good as her ad pics (no surprise there, smh)

Good but not great. Would repeat in a pinch.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/michigan/detroit/54898423/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Reviews101;5052200]I've seen Sarah a couple times in the last week or so, BBBJCIM car date in her driveway only. The first time I was a little uncomfortable in her driveway as it is a fairly active neighborhood - people walking and outside in their yards. But I kind of like the risk of getting caught without getting caught.

Saw her yesterday for a Halloween blowie for 70 but she asks for 80-100. I've noticed she asked how much you are going to donate as opposed to telling you her rates. It's her way of prioritizing who she sees first. Highest bidder gets the spoils. I pull up and text her that I've arrived and shortly after her neighbor pulled into their driveway at the same time she walked outside. We hop in the backseat. She let me record the whole appt and her only request was that I email her the video too. I asked her why and told her I wasn't going to share it with anyone and she replied "I want to see it too. " atta'girl lmao. I drop-trou as she takes her hoodie off and exposes her young tight body and I'd guess B / C breasts. She wastes no time gets to work on a very spirited sloppy BBBJ just the way I like it. I've only had one or two other providers suck like she does, 15 min later I unload in her mouth without missing a sucking stroke she swallows and cleans up every drop. I've had girls tell me on multiple occasions that I provide them with a more generous amount of cum then most guys. Sarah didn't have this problem - I actually had to go back and watch the video to figure out when she swallowed - I'm still baffled haha. The whole time her elderly (late 50's- early 60's probably) neighbor was unloading stuff from his truck. Little do they know (or maybe they do) what their neighbor is doing less than 30 yards from their house! Makes me wonder what my neighbors do on their free time, haha.

She's in a convenient location for me not to repeat several times over. I get sick of driving to Canton and Detroit areas. Just wish she offered FS but I'll keep asking LOL.[/QUOTE]Do you have a picture or her link?

[QUOTE=BigBootyF-ijustseenthan;5052461]Do you have a picture or her link?[/QUOTE]Nevermind LOL- I just seen the ad below.

[QUOTE=Johnhhh;5052156]Anyone seen Sandra?

[URL]https://independent.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/michigan/detroit/55568561/[/URL][/QUOTE]You'll need to learn how to spot fake ads. This is one of them.

[QUOTE=Reviews101;5052306]YMMV on the photo. She asked for it even said half my face would be fine but I refused at first she required it but she must have needed the money the first time and eventually came around. Sounds like she's been busier so she might be getting more strict about a verification photo. She's a nice girl and carries herself professionally. She said she has a two year old that she needs to support so that's why she does what she does. Didn't see any signs of D&D, it's refreshing given that most of the girls these days seem to be high on something.[/QUOTE]Of course she needs the money, she's asking far too much for a BJ and most will not pay it. Did you hint about FS? Was she adamant on her reply?

Anyone?

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/michigan/detroit/55607567/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Reviews101;5052377]Kristina came over a couple weeks ago for a 200 hr outcall (drove about 35 min). Contrary to popular belief I prefer outcall especially the first time meeting as I have control over the environment. Set up was easy asked for 275 but she must have been in need because she quickly dropped her rate to 250 then 200. Asked her to drive herself and she confirmed, she promptly showed up an hour later and was dropped off in one of those small size utility trucks. Kinda shady especially because she said she'd be driving herself and I usually don't like lurkers but she was there and I just said F it. She's cute, real tiny. Maybe 5'3" 100 lbs, no chest and wears glasses. Hard to really tell if it's the girl in the pics. Outgoing personality, after alittle bit of small talk we head to the bedroom. We get naked and she starts on a somewhat enthusiastic BBBJ after several minutes she slips the cover on and hops on top, she rode as best she could felt good enough, switched to K9 then mish and ended with BBBJCIM. Pretty standard encounter in my book.

Update/Edit - Now that I think of it she did have the same tattoos as the pictures. She's cute just not as good as her ad pics (no surprise there, smh)

Good but not great. Would repeat in a pinch.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/michigan/detroit/54898423/[/URL][/QUOTE]She was driven by someone which is the very reason not to have a gal come to your home. Even if not, she still knows and if you texted the address, it's on her phone. You only have control at that time, when you're not home and they return, who's in control? I hope you never encounter it but seen too many shady characters within this type of business.

[QUOTE=Lamarr;5052510]Anyone?

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/michigan/detroit/55607567/[/URL][/QUOTE]She is real but those pics are not. Black girl, nice though.

[QUOTE=EDPills;5052362]What's the deal with all the reviews, posts, and or reports, without links. Could we please post links when posting.[/QUOTE]I actually looked for her link. Couldn't find it. I don't look for her posts because I have her number. My bad bro. But I did try to find it.

[QUOTE=Stealth72;5052519]She is real but those pics are not. Black girl, nice though.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Wow quite a switch. Same with this one, Lainey?

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/michigan/detroit/55603449/[/URL]

Damn bro, you're my hero! Love your recent reviews! LOL. Thank you and stay safe!

[QUOTE=SlightlyHere;5050273]Continuing on with the emaciated ladies stories, I decided to give Cece a visit.

[URL]https://megapersonals.eu/public/post_detail/11421571[/URL]

[URL]https://sumosear.ch/phone/313-329-4002[/URL]

Off the top, she does not stay in a nice area of town. I was a bit scared to park near her house, but little head told me not to worry, so I didn't. Had easy comms with her, but I had been trying to hit her up first thing in the morning -- as I usually do b / c I like to be the first in the morning even if some would say I'm last of the evening. After missing a few mornings, she finally hit me up one morning and was awake, so off I went.

She's got her own little house, it's run down, has a security camera on the porch and iron bar windows. I arrived, and she told me to come on up, so I walked my way around the corner, as is my habit, and made her door. KNOCK KNOCK. No answer. I get a text saying that she'll be 5 minutes. . . Yo, I'm in a bad neighborhood, just standing on the neighborhood hooker and drug junkie's doorstop, and she wants me to wait 5 minutes? I almost got gone. I could hear, what sounded like, her smoking some H, or something, on the other side of the door. I knocked hard, and text her to open the damn door and could tell she kind of got startled, but came to the door quick.

That's her in the pics, but that's the last time you'll ever see her arms due to track marks. Chick is completely flat chested, which is once in a while hot. The house is disheveled, but not really gross, just shit everywhere. She's rattling about how she bought the house on land contract, and how she's getting her life together as she leads me upstairs. She has a nice big comfy and squishy bed, perhaps a little too squishy, and definitely not capable of passing the full shake test.

We chat, and I get naked and try to start undressing her, but she's not having it. She lets me get her pants and underwear off, and feel her flat chested nipples under her shirt, but the shirt is staying on. So, I'm playing with her pussy from behind her as she finishes a cigarette and she grabs some hand sanitizer from the nightstand, and offers me some politely' with a smile. "Want some hand sanitizer!? " As in, take the damn hand sanitizer. So I do, and continue to play with her clit while she smokes. I've got my cock in between her barely-there ass cheeks and am somewhat pumping them, reached around on her clit. At that point, I'm pretty sure she'd let me slide in, no problem. BUT TODAY I'm GOOD, I BROUGHT CONDOMS. Well, because she asked me to. She turns around and gives me an OK CBJ, can't swallow the whole thing, but she's energetic.

We slip up onto the bed, and I ask her to ride, and she won't ride -- I forget what her excuse was, but it was lame. I start laying into her, and she's getting wet, but not really into it. I ask her what would have happened if I didn't bring condoms and she's like, "You know, I think that I'd rather fuck raw that suck dick raw b / c I have to kiss my kids with this mouth. " The stupidity of these words sends me into a trance, the condom clearly not letting me come, "If you want to fuck me raw, it's ok. " And so I tear that condom off, and plunge my raw cock into this obvious IV drug user's pussy. With that kind of risk, it doesn't take long; I could have fucked her for 30 days with the cover, but this only took 3 minutes without. What a dumb ass I am. Hah. When I pulled out, I almost shot her face and was kinda sad I missed.

I got my shit on, killed a cockroach on my way out, and went on to live in my shame.

All together though, she is as advertised. That's her, and she's nice, no rush, reasonable, and communicative. Not sure if I'd repeat b / c I don't want to shake those dice again, but if what she is advertising catches your eye, what you see is what you get. Luckily, my tires were still on, and car was safe when I went to leave.

I'm going to go neutral on the recommendation for this one.

Stay safe.[/QUOTE]

Any info on this one?

[URL]https://detroit.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/24hr-outcall-massage/289991487601[/URL]

[QUOTE=Lougle69;5052709]Any info on this one?

[URL]https://detroit.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/24hr-outcall-massage/289991487601[/URL][/QUOTE]Everyone reports that they receive exactly as she advertises and she sweats a lot. She's been running ads on CL for years.

Any info out there on this one?

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/michigan/detroit/55626940/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Lougle69;5052709]Any info on this one?

[URL]https://detroit.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/24hr-outcall-massage/289991487601[/URL][/QUOTE]I saw her when I was just beginning my massage experiences about 2 years ago. She's a bigger boned but very nice gal. She does massages on the bed fully nude but as was stated by XC, she sweats and it drips on you during the massage. I actually felt them hit me and wasn't sure how to handle the situation. I wrote it off to a very hot day and thought if I called her again, I'd crank up the AC. She allows you to play anywhere with her but uncertain if FS is available, even though she advertises against it, you never know. I would have attempted if I knew what I know now. We had a nice conversation during and I recall the massage as pretty good but but being new at that time, I was focused on the sweating and the ending.

[QUOTE=PoorPimp;5053011]Any info out there on this one?

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/michigan/detroit/55626940/[/URL][/QUOTE]Rough neighborhood for the incall. Rates very reasonable.

[QUOTE=Reviews101;5052306]YMMV on the photo. She asked for it even said half my face would be fine but I refused at first she required it but she must have needed the money the first time and eventually came around. Sounds like she's been busier so she might be getting more strict about a verification photo. She's a nice girl and carries herself professionally. She said she has a two year old that she needs to support so that's why she does what she does. Didn't see any signs of D&D, it's refreshing given that most of the girls these days seem to be high on something.[/QUOTE]She is on the candy. Sorry.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;5052514]She was driven by someone which is the very reason not to have a gal come to your home. Even if not, she still knows and if you texted the address, it's on her phone. You only have control at that time, when you're not home and they return, who's in control? I hope you never encounter it but seen too many shady characters within this type of business.[/QUOTE]Stop trying to put unnecessary fear out there. These girls get there drugs from prostituting not breaking into homes.

Yeah someone drove her for sure unless you ubered her but outcall is safe in my opinion.

Thanks. Just wanted to make sure she was real first.

[QUOTE=Stealth72;5053168]Rough neighborhood for the incall. Rates very reasonable.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Cummy2016;5052578]Damn bro, you're my hero! Love your recent reviews! LOL. Thank you and stay safe![/QUOTE]I second that. Your reviews are just phenomenal and very nice details.

After seeing a couple reviews of Stacy recently, I ended up making my way out to her myself. Texted her in the morning and she was easy to communicate with. As reported by others, very kind and a big talker if you let her. Stayed for an hour. Asked for a quick massage to let us get comfortable with each other and then went to BBJ. She's quite good at what she does there and swallowed every drop without question. Took a few minutes to recover before round 2. Put a cover on (she had one on hand, though I did bring my own as other reports have suggested that she doesn't always have one handy), and went at her in mish, then doggy and cowgirl. Ended up finishing with another BBJ because I love watching her swallow it all.

Definitely will repeat in a pinch if I'm out in the area again.

[QUOTE=Sid63;5051750]80 for ss. Don't go longer. For me she was pretty mechanical, not attractive and just too big. But that's me. I suppose it's an ok deal. At least she doesn't work in the ghetto.[/QUOTE]Thanks bro.

Gents,

Anyone have a report on Mandie? Couldn't find her in a search.

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/mandie_hart0[/URL]

Stay safe!

J.

[QUOTE=JohnInv;5052556]I actually looked for her link. Couldn't find it. I don't look for her posts because I have her number. My bad bro. But I did try to find it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Reviews101;5052375]No offense but RTF. If you click the OP link or scroll through the forum you will usually find a link. I ask for links sometimes too but only if I can't find it.

https://escortbabylon.net/posts_list/3134032284/1

Trinity isn't posting right now.[/QUOTE]It's cool, I wasn't trying to point the finger at you two. It just seems like a lot of guys either forget or don't know how to post a link with their review. Sure I could spend a few minutes RTF but it would be a lot easier for the poster to spend a few seconds posting a link. It makes your review "complete" and it also might help new members wright better reviews.

Links, rates, services offered, pros, cons, are all basic things that should be in every review.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;5052505]You'll need to learn how to spot fake ads. This is one of them.[/QUOTE]Maybe you should tell him [U]how[/U] to spot fake ads. Give a man a fish you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish you feed him for a lifetime.

[QUOTE=SleRicls;5053316]Stop trying to put unnecessary fear out there. These girls get there drugs from prostituting not breaking into homes.

Yeah someone drove her for sure unless you ubered her but outcall is safe in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Your key words are "in my opinion". Do what's you think is best.

[QUOTE=JamieGreek2019;5053551]Gents,

Anyone have a report on Mandie? Couldn't find her in a search.

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/mandie_hart0[/URL]

Stay safe!

J.[/QUOTE]Try again. It took 5 seconds for the forum to list multiple messages regarding "Mandie".

[QUOTE=EDPills;5053898]Maybe you should tell him [U]how[/U] to spot fake ads. Give a man a fish you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish you feed him for a lifetime.[/QUOTE]I'll be more than happy to do so when / if asked.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;5052514]She was driven by someone which is the very reason not to have a gal come to your home. Even if not, she still knows and if you texted the address, it's on her phone. You only have control at that time, when you're not home and they return, who's in control? I hope you never encounter it but seen too many shady characters within this type of business.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SleRicls;5053316]Stop trying to put unnecessary fear out there. These girls get there drugs from prostituting not breaking into homes.

Yeah someone drove her for sure unless you ubered her but outcall is safe in my opinion.[/QUOTE]There are definitely risks involved in both outcall and incall. This "hobby" - more like a sport for me LOL. By it's nature, is full of risk. I agree I hope nothing bad happens to myself or anyone. Incall especially to a shady area or location (which most of these places are) there are too many variables. I do incall on occasion but usually like to meet them first. In my mind, I try to take away as many variables as possible, I live in an apartment complex and the location is a controlled environment for the appt. I use the same process providers use when doing incall. I give a general intersection or a parking lot near my place. I will sometimes even go to the location ahead of time, park at a distance and see who I am meeting and who is with them. At that point I can assess and decide whether or not I want them to come to my place. I will also give them a neighbors address and meet them outside. You can usually tell when someone is casing your house because they will do odd things and ask weird questions. Most of the girls that I see have been vetted on this forum and cross checked with other sites and you can get a good sense of a provider just by talking to them. I also lock my door and have an alarm system that is armed for the duration of the appt and when I'm not home. If they come to my house it's just as risky for them stepping into a strangers house as it is me going to an unknown location. Like everything on this forum from girls we see (side note: some of the girls I see alot of guys asking for information, make me raise an eyebrow and say "Gross, why?" haha) and the methods we use. To each their own. Just do your due diligence and be cautious.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;5053021]I saw her when I was just beginning my massage experiences about 2 years ago. She's a bigger boned but very nice gal. She does massages on the bed fully nude but as was stated by XC, she sweats and it drips on you during the massage. I actually felt them hit me and wasn't sure how to handle the situation. I wrote it off to a very hot day and thought if I called her again, I'd crank up the AC. She allows you to play anywhere with her but uncertain if FS is available, even though she advertises against it, you never know. I would have attempted if I knew what I know now. We had a nice conversation during and I recall the massage as pretty good but but being new at that time, I was focused on the sweating and the ending.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info gentlemen!

[QUOTE=Reviews101;5053982]There are definitely risks involved in both outcall and incall. This "hobby" - more like a sport for me LOL. By it's nature, is full of risk. I agree I hope nothing bad happens to myself or anyone. Incall especially to a shady area or location (which most of these places are) there are too many variables. I do incall on occasion but usually like to meet them first. In my mind, I try to take away as many variables as possible, I live in an apartment complex and the location is a controlled environment for the appt. I use the same process providers use when doing incall. I give a general intersection or a parking lot near my place. I will sometimes even go to the location ahead of time, park at a distance and see who I am meeting and who is with them. At that point I can assess and decide whether or not I want them to come to my place. I will also give them a neighbors address and meet them outside. You can usually tell when someone is casing your house because they will do odd things and ask weird questions. Most of the girls that I see have been vetted on this forum and cross checked with other sites and you can get a good sense of a provider just by talking to them. I also lock my door and have an alarm system that is armed for the duration of the appt and when I'm not home. If they come to my house it's just as risky for them stepping into a strangers house as it is me going to an unknown location. Like everything on this forum from girls we see (side note: some of the girls I see alot of guys asking for information, make me raise an eyebrow and say "Gross, why?" haha) and the methods we use. To each their own. Just do your due diligence and be cautious.[/QUOTE]I always prefer having them come to me rather than an in call. My dumbass just gives them my adress and I stress till they get here. Not to worried about someone coming to case. There isn't shit in my house anyway besides a bigass tv. Nobodys walkin away with it and it really wouldn't fit in a car. So far so good. Been at it a few years.

[QUOTE=Lougle69;5054219]Thanks for the info gentlemen![/QUOTE]The original ad seems to be down. Can anyone advise on who we are speaking of?

[QUOTE=EastsideYoung;5054369]I always prefer having them come to me rather than an in call. My dumbass just gives them my adress and I stress till they get here. Not to worried about someone coming to case. There isn't shit in my house anyway besides a bigass tv. Nobodys walkin away with it and it really wouldn't fit in a car. So far so good. Been at it a few years.[/QUOTE]When I was driving this chick we made everyone send a pic of a piece of mail with the address because if not people would send you all over the place. Most people had no issue. Now you can uber the girl over then home.

I think higher class escorts have a verification process where you have to confirm who you are.

[QUOTE=TullyBlanchard;5054378]The original ad seems to be down. Can anyone advise on who we are speaking of?[/QUOTE][URL]https://detroit.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/24hr-outcall-massage/636708091143[/URL]

I used to see Jacky in Fraser regularly, then covid hit and although she sent me her new number it has since changed again and she's not posting. Anyone know if she's just UTR? Even if she's retired or whatever any info would be great, she was atf for deepthroat sessions and a sweetheart who was dealt a bad hand, obvious candy issue too, would love to hear she's just out of the game and not expired. Fingers crossed, thanks gents this is an amazing resource.

Saw her this afternoon

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/michigan/detroit/55658217/[/URL].

Pretty disappointed. Much bigger than photos show, without the pic filters she ages 10 years. I looked at her IG before I went, she looked like a nice thick girl, but is def bbw and not pretty like you would think from the pics. Surprised by the reviews no one mentioned that. Oh well, everything covered, blew in the bag and out, on to the next.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;5053914]I'll be more than happy to do so when / if asked.[/QUOTE][b]Concupiscent69 and only Concupiscent69 please.[/b]

I'll ask. Please tell us how.