Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=EloquentEven;4012924]Sorry to read this unfortunate report of another monger getting duped by a provider. This one is even worse because it's a well known provider and someone who I recently started to schedule for. I just want everyone to know I had no knowledge of this encounter as I am reading this for the first time like you are. I will contact the unfortunate monger and offer him a discount on a EE girl of his choice to try make up for his loss and prevent this kinda thing from happening in the future. The hours on the website are just a educated guess as to who or when ladies might be available. I was told last night by Chloee of some personal issues she had to attend to and haven't heard from her since early this morning. Obviously this kinda of behavior is not acceptable for any lady I schedule for. I have seen about everything over the years so unfortunately things like this do not surprise me. Their true colors always come out eventually. And yes the Quality of ladies I have came across has went way down. But I will continue to do my best to get the best. Thanks again everyone and be safe out there! EE.[/QUOTE]STEVE--That's a great response to the Chloe incident. I haven't used your service for a while but did so often while Lady J was working, and I always found you easy to deal with and very responsive. It's good to know that you take your business seriously. I hope, for ALL of our sake, that you can find some new talent.

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;4013058]Maybe I've just been lucky then, but I have not noticed, with the black girls I've seen, signs like bad teeth, track marks, or any of that.[/QUOTE]I tend to agree with you. The black girls I've seen appear to be more focused and organized. Other than weed, I haven't seen anything else. Again, I take care to avoid any addicts if possible.

[QUOTE=Kenal1;4013194]STEVE--That's a great response to the Chloe incident. I haven't used your service for a while but did so often while Lady J was working, and I always found you easy to deal with and very responsive. It's good to know that you take your business seriously. I hope, for ALL of our sake, that you can find some new talent.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EloquentEven;4012924]Sorry to read this unfortunate report of another monger getting duped by a provider. This one is even worse because it's a well known provider and someone who I recently started to schedule for. I just want everyone to know I had no knowledge of this encounter as I am reading this for the first time like you are. I will contact the unfortunate monger and offer him a discount on a EE girl of his choice to try make up for his loss and prevent this kinda thing from happening in the future. The hours on the website are just a educated guess as to who or when ladies might be available. I was told last night by Chloee of some personal issues she had to attend to and haven't heard from her since early this morning. Obviously this kinda of behavior is not acceptable for any lady I schedule for. I have seen about everything over the years so unfortunately things like this do not surprise me. Their true colors always come out eventually. And yes the Quality of ladies I have came across has went way down. But I will continue to do my best to get the best. Thanks again everyone and be safe out there! EE.[/QUOTE]Well, she's off EE's site, so I guess that's Steve's answer to this bullshit.

I'm actually a little surprised [B]that I'm surprised[/B] that Chloe pulled this shit. You just can't be shocked anymore.

You ever look at the photo gallery, and before filtering to look for Cincinnati, wish you lived somewhere else?

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;4013058]Maybe I've just been lucky then, but I have not noticed, with the black girls I've seen, signs like bad teeth, track marks, or any of that.[/QUOTE]Well I've been black all my life, and known black women prostitutes and otherwise. With me it's more their attitude than anything else which as a whole is very poor. Most think they're doing me a favor by accepting my money to bang them. They play a lot of games and in the escort world everything is covered. Picking them up on the streets you really have a high probability of getting robbed or ripped off in some way shape or form. Or the ever present are you done? I can't do this for that short money you need to hurry up. That kind of shit. And as far as the track marks the African American community does have some IV drug users but most snort the heroin, that's probably why the girl was nodding. (referencing the reply post after you). I'm glad you've had some positive experiences with AA girls but most of mine have been regrettable experiences. HL29.

In my mind, the overall lower quality of the current provider pool is part and parcel of overall lower quality of women as a whole today. Women in every day life generally have this huge sense of entitlement, and seem to think we should be grateful to breathe the same oxygen they do. Even the land whales and the post-menopause women have crappy attitudes. I can't imagine doing the dating thing again with what I hear from the single guys.

I partly blame social media and smart phones. A chick who's 30 pounds overweight can post a bikini pic on FB and get a ton of "likes" and "you're so hawt" comments from thirsty men. But, I blame the rest of it on the thirsty nice guys who put chicks with bad attitudes on a pedestal and never grow a spine when it comes to dealing with women.

Until the economy goes in the crapper again, this may be what we're stuck with for a bit.

Sometimes I think Mongers should educate ourselves on drugs and how they are used. Snorting is a small part of it. Smoking it is another way. But the effects are not as quick; Injection is the fastest way. Within 60 seconds. A lot of them inject between their toes. Who looks there! Arms are obvious. Inside the thighs and The neck straight to the brain. If they hit heroin twice their hooked. I call them the walking dead. Look at how many providers have passed away. Black and blue bruises on their necks are from the needles not junk jewelry. It takes only once on Meth and their done. They smoke it snort it and Inject it. Meth users also at times also keep scratching their faces they feel like bugs under their skin at times. Of course they don't sleep for days. On both they will do anything to get it. Anything and don't care. LEO is more after the drugs than the providers but of course it goes hand in hand. By the way my ex was a provider hooked on heroin. Lenny6746.

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;4013689]In my mind, the overall lower quality of the current provider pool is part and parcel of overall lower quality of women as a whole today. Women in every day life generally have this huge sense of entitlement, and seem to think we should be grateful to breathe the same oxygen they do. Even the land whales and the post-menopause women have crappy attitudes. I can't imagine doing the dating thing again with what I hear from the single guys.

I partly blame social media and smart phones. A chick who's 30 pounds overweight can post a bikini pic on FB and get a ton of "likes" and "you're so hawt" comments from thirsty men. But, I blame the rest of it on the thirsty nice guys who put chicks with bad attitudes on a pedestal and never grow a spine when it comes to dealing with women.

Until the economy goes in the crapper again, this may be what we're stuck with for a bit.[/QUOTE]Hear, hear, UOLO!! But I wouldn't get too mouthy on that subject because they'll find you guilty of something with or without cause and then they'll demand a complete FBI investigation. Is your name Cavanaugh by chance?

Re: Black girls.

I'll speak to since I've been back. This is only for the streets, as I don't deal with escorts. But when comparing on the streets the average of looks are much better for the black ladies, mainly because they aren't heroin zombies, regardless if they do heroin or other drugs, which of course they do. You don't see them with pick marks, prematurely wrinkled, skin and bones. They still look like women. And they still (seem to) at least care about themselves, or at least their looks. Those zombies don't give a damn about anything, they don't even try to be appealing.

For any girl, but mainly BSW's, if they are walking around looking like something out of a movie (make up perfect, mini skirts, tanks, perfume, ect) then avoid them. When I see a girl (usually BSW) that's way too well put together, I assume that she'll give you all the push back that HL29 is talking about.

That said 2 of favorites from earlier in the year were black, but the one that's in UPH, she's gone down. She had a perfect body, now she's thin and everything that had the right amount of padding, is deflated now. She's the type where she gets a perfect body from staying with uncle, then loses it from living hard and fast on the streets. That's a thing with both races, though.

I'm sure that if I used USAA or escorts, I'd probably have similar experiences as HL29, but that would probably be for all races of providers.

This brings my rant. Speaking of the blacks that don't age as hard, the girl from Nausicaa is 44 years old. There are WSW and USAA advertisers that are 25 and look way older than that girl. As I've posted, look good from a drive pass, go to park, walk towards them and they age 5 years every 5 feet closer you get. There are 2 little very young blondes, that are in UPH, they look like twins, would surprise me if they were out of their teens. I walked past one of them, and she looked like a 45 year old 16 year old. LOL. The wrinkles and hard lines on that girl were horrendous. Yet you can tell they are very young.

[QUOTE=Kenal1;4013722]Hear, hear, UOLO!! But I wouldn't get too mouthy on that subject because they'll find you guilty of something with or without cause and then they'll demand a complete FBI investigation. Is your name [highlight]Cavanaugh[/highlight] by chance?[/QUOTE]LOL. If you're going to be a Kavanaugh sympathizer, [B]at least[/B] spell it correctly.

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;4013689]In my mind, the overall lower quality of the current provider pool is part and parcel of overall lower quality of women as a whole today. Women in every day life generally have this huge sense of entitlement, and seem to think we should be grateful to breathe the same oxygen they do. Even the land whales and the post-menopause women have crappy attitudes. I can't imagine doing the dating thing again with what I hear from the single guys.

I partly blame social media and smart phones. A chick who's 30 pounds overweight can post a bikini pic on FB and get a ton of "likes" and "you're so hawt" comments from thirsty men. But, I blame the rest of it on the thirsty nice guys who put chicks with bad attitudes on a pedestal and never grow a spine when it comes to dealing with women.

Until the economy goes in the crapper again, this may be what we're stuck with for a bit.[/QUOTE]I'm not looking to sympathize with the hookers, but as far as young girls go today, sure -- they are fucked up. But have you seen the absolute [B]SHIT[/B] masquerading as young single guys these days? From the crap I see from SBs it's simply loserville out there. All these guys want to do is watch Netflix and get a blowjob. And when they take the girls out it's a shitty restaurant.

I think smartphones and selfies have ruined a generation. Girls snapping pics for immediate approval / feedback. Complete narcissism is the rule of the day now. They have all these apps to make eyes bigger, remove blemishes, etc. Seriously. When is the last time you didn't see a chick sitting around making duck lips and snapping pics until they have one they like?

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;4013583]Well I've been black all my life, and known black women prostitutes and otherwise. With me it's more their attitude than anything else which as a whole is very poor. Most think they're doing me a favor by accepting my money to bang them. They play a lot of games and in the escort world everything is covered. Picking them up on the streets you really have a high probability of getting robbed or ripped off in some way shape or form. Or the ever present are you done? I can't do this for that short money you need to hurry up. That kind of shit. And as far as the track marks the African American community does have some IV drug users but most snort the heroin, that's probably why the girl was nodding. (referencing the reply post after you). I'm glad you've had some positive experiences with AA girls but most of mine have been regrettable experiences. HL29.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I wonder why we've had such different experiences? Though, if you are black, I know many of the black girls report several negative experiences with black guys, to the point that many won't see them anymore. Maybe being white works to my advantage in this scenario? Maybe they are stereotyping you? Who knows.

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;4014092]Interesting. I wonder why we've had such different experiences? Though, if you are black, I know many of the black girls report several negative experiences with black guys, to the point that many won't see them anymore. Maybe being white works to my advantage in this scenario? Maybe they are stereotyping you? Who knows.[/QUOTE]Yeah some black guys are fucked up just like any other race. I'm speaking from my experiences. I treat every women I see or attempt to see with respect. The thing with most black guys is they know the bs and attitude black women can bring and won't put up with it. I won't over pay and won't be intimidated by them running their mouths or trying some stupid shit. I'll see a black provider if she is highly rated or reviewed but I'm not into spending my money and having someone tell me what I have to do. I've had women in just about every race the most difficult have been black girls. Even the ones that aren't in the game most have a mouth that won't quit and very disrespectful. Where I work I encounter them everyday there are some nice ones but I'm telling you they can be a handful. I'm not knocking you man and I'm not trying to knock the black girls business, but as I said I've been black my whole 60 plus years on earth you encounter a black girl from time to time I talk to legitimate black men everyday and they all say the same sisters are a handful. We still love we'll still marry them but they're still hard to handle. HL29.

My last two posts have both been deleted by A2. Why? This morning I pointed out that the last, and only, three reviews for a lady were from brand new mongers. A few months ago, a monger was asking how to get extras at an AMP. I basically said to treat the lady as a lady and if you look like Pompero Firpo or Haystacks Calhoun you probably have little chance anyway. So A2 thinks I am probably a bit too snarky, deletes both posts, and then chides me this morning for not posting. I thought that both of my last two posts were fine and I have posted relatively recently about my experience with jenny at Assol. No, I do not monger as much as most but I DO try to post when appropriate and in a polite, albeit snarky, manner. A2 seems to be very thin fore-skinned.

I went to a Bengals game earlier this year and 2 young (twenties) girls were in the row in front of me. Good seats. 45 yd line.

They did nothing but take / post selfies all night. Not sure who they got the tickets from but also not sure why they went to pay for overpriced crap beer when they could have gone to Holy Grail and found some schmuck to buy drinks all night.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;4013805]

I think smartphones and selfies have ruined a generation. Girls snapping pics for immediate approval / feedback. Complete narcissism is the rule of the day now. They have all these apps to make eyes bigger, remove blemishes, etc. Seriously. When is the last time you didn't see a chick sitting around making duck lips and snapping pics until they have one they like?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;4014378]Yeah some black guys are fucked up just like any other race. I'm speaking from my experiences. I treat every women I see or attempt to see with respect. The thing with most black guys is they know the bs and attitude black women can bring and won't put up with it. I won't over pay and won't be intimidated by them running their mouths or trying some stupid shit. I'll see a black provider if she is highly rated or reviewed but I'm not into spending my money and having someone tell me what I have to do. I've had women in just about every race the most difficult have been black girls. Even the ones that aren't in the game most have a mouth that won't quit and very disrespectful. Where I work I encounter them everyday there are some nice ones but I'm telling you they can be a handful. I'm not knocking you man and I'm not trying to knock the black girls business, but as I said I've been black my whole 60 plus years on earth you encounter a black girl from time to time I talk to legitimate black men everyday and they all say the same sisters are a handful. We still love we'll still marry them but they're still hard to handle. HL29.[/QUOTE]I see black girls regularly and don't really seem to have any issues with them. Have I met a few that a bit of an attitude or just been out right uptight b* sure I have, but not out of proportion to the white girls with the same issues. Just my experience. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Play3447;4015576]I see black girls regularly and don't really seem to have any issues with them. Have I met a few that a bit of an attitude or just been out right uptight b* sure I have, but not out of proportion to the white girls with the same issues. Just my experience. YMMV.[/QUOTE]I agree. I've heard black girls won't do BBBJ, GFE, DFK, DATY. Plenty do! As for the attitude, I think I like a little edge to a woman's personality!

[QUOTE=TMeister;4014990]She also liked to kiss and cuddle after swallowing my hot goo so that was a nice GFE touch.[/QUOTE]Nuthin like swapping yer own cum. 😧.

[QUOTE=BengalMan;4016381]Nuthin like swapping yer own cum. 😧.[/QUOTE]I guess it's better than swappin someone else's cum. LOL.

[QUOTE=MrNails;4016460]I guess it's better than swappin someone else's cum. LOL.[/QUOTE]When you're with a provider, you can guarantee that you are, regardless of what you think. Maybe she brushed her teeth, and gargled if you're lucky.

Last night out of the blue, I get a text "Hey baby I'm available for outcall, Want some fun in your life? You have to see me tonight. My donation is $$. 25 Last four digits are 2663 and come back to several ads in various places for a I believe TGTBT Any thoughts or ideas? No idea where she may have got my digits. I know I have never reached out to this one because of the TGTBT?

I just tried to go to EB / listcrawler and it seems that the site is currently down? When I tried [URL]listcrawler.com[/URL] by it self it went to one of those generic search websites. Could EB be gone now?

If the Feds smote them, they put their badges all over the page in a victory celebration.

[QUOTE=EightyThree;4017659]I just tried to go to EB / listcrawler and it seems that the site is currently down? When I tried [URL]listcrawler.com[/URL] by it self it went to one of those generic search websites. Could EB be gone now?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VinnieKramer;4017920]If the Feds smote them, they put their badges all over the page in a victory celebration.[/QUOTE]If you go thru [URL]megapersonals.com[/URL] you can get everything but the girls.

[QUOTE=EightyThree;4017659]I just tried to go to EB / listcrawler and it seems that the site is currently down? When I tried [URL]listcrawler.com[/URL] by it self it went to one of those generic search websites. Could EB be gone now?[/QUOTE]When I tried both came up page can't be displayed. However Erotic Monkey is still up but they want you to pay to review. STG is still going but you have to craw through the trask to find real provviders.

Somehow there are a lot of you that think it is a great idea to go in to "check out the lay out" or to "see what the talent looks like" or to "do a price check". Here is a fucking news flash for you. Cincinnati is a small market. Regardless of which AMP you go to, here are some constants that will exist:

* There will be a couple of old providers and a couple younger ones that are still older than you think. Doesn't matter who greets you when you come in to do your price check because she may or may not be who is available when you come back next week.

* 99.9% will be charging a door fee of 40/60. If you can't handle a very subtle price difference for the other 0. 1% that might try to do a nominal add on for a table shower (if they even have one) or charge a slightly higher door fee (as Lily's did) - then maybe you can't afford a massage after all.

* Some of the rooms have doors, some have curtains, and some have both. Some AMPs have rooms with standard walls and in some they stop short of the ceiling. The style of doors or walls has never been a factor in my ability to leave happy.

* Some give a full size bottle of water when you leave and some give out the little short squatty one.

* Most of the things that you really want to know you can't ask about in the first place so that is why you have to RTFF and exchange info back channel with members you trust.

For every one of you fuck sticks that post about doing this there are twenty more of you out there doing the same that don't post about it. So when you are done kicking the tires and decide to get your massage I hope those other twenty idiots all chose to come in during that same hour, at the same AMP that you decided to go to. Then while you are lying face down getting tired of your masseuse leaving the room multiple times you can also witness first hand how fucking stupid you guys sound with your questions.

It hasn't happened to me yet, but the first time I hear someone ask which size waters are given out afterward, I will storm out to the lobby naked and personally throw your sorry ass through the plate glass.

Lastly, it's not okay to call and ask these stupid questions either. I am still going to get just as pissed when my two handed massage intermittently goes to one hand when they answer the phone to talk to your dumb ass. Rant over.

Love Always,

Ceenote.

Right-On Ceenote!

I have stopped short of running my undraped ass into the lobby, but I have taken the phone out of the women's hand to tell some dumb ass in English where to park. I took the phone another time when I could hear the jerk asking stupid questions and just wasting time. My Time! The bastard asked me if he could expect a happy ending. I said not if the phone keeps ringing. Most of these women speak very little English so stop jerking them around.

Many times I've listened through the walls as idiots come in asking questions just like you've described. The girls are going to ask if you want a massage and for how long. RTFF and you'll know what to do and how to behave. The girls may not speak alot of English, but they know very quickly if you are an asshole.

[QUOTE=Ceenote;4018325]Somehow there are a lot of you that think it is a great idea to go in to "check out the lay out" or to "see what the talent looks like" or to "do a price check". Here is a fucking news flash for you. Cincinnati is a small market. Regardless of which AMP you go to, here are some constants that will exist:

* There will be a couple of old providers and a couple younger ones that are still older than you think. Doesn't matter who greets you when you come in to do your price check because she may or may not be who is available when you come back next week.

* 99.9% will be charging a door fee of 40/60. If you can't handle a very subtle price difference for the other 0. 1% that might try to do a nominal add on for a table shower (if they even have one) or charge a slightly higher door fee (as Lily's did) - then maybe you can't afford a massage after all.

* Some of the rooms have doors, some have curtains, and some have both. Some AMPs have rooms with standard walls and in some they stop short of the ceiling. The style of doors or walls has never been a factor in my ability to leave happy.

* Some give a full size bottle of water when you leave and some give out the little short squatty one.

* Most of the things that you really want to know you can't ask about in the first place so that is why you have to RTFF and exchange info back channel with members you trust.

For every one of you fuck sticks that post about doing this there are twenty more of you out there doing the same that don't post about it. So when you are done kicking the tires and decide to get your massage I hope those other twenty idiots all chose to come in during that same hour, at the same AMP that you decided to go to. Then while you are lying face down getting tired of your masseuse leaving the room multiple times you can also witness first hand how fucking stupid you guys sound with your questions.

It hasn't happened to me yet, but the first time I hear someone ask which size waters are given out afterward, I will storm out to the lobby naked and personally throw your sorry ass through the plate glass.

Lastly, it's not okay to call and ask these stupid questions either. I am still going to get just as pissed when my two handed massage intermittently goes to one hand when they answer the phone to talk to your dumb ass. Rant over.

Love Always,

Ceenote.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HotBoss;4018415]Right-On Ceenote!

I have stopped short of running my undraped ass into the lobby, but I have taken the phone out of the women's hand to tell some dumb ass in English where to park. I took the phone another time when I could hear the jerk asking stupid questions and just wasting time. My Time! The bastard asked me if he could expect a happy ending. I said not if the phone keeps ringing. Most of these women speak very little English so stop jerking them around.

Many times I've listened through the walls as idiots come in asking questions just like you've described. The girls are going to ask if you want a massage and for how long. RTFF and you'll know what to do and how to behave. The girls may not speak alot of English, but they know very quickly if you are an asshole.[/QUOTE]My last AMP was interrupted 3 times, once for 10 or more minutes. GRRRRRRRRR! At least my masseuse more than made up for the inconvenience. She speaks little English and I speak no Chinese, but "somehow" we manage to communicate quite effectively!

Someone needs to teach a course in AMP Etiquette 101. Or for some of you remedial AMP.

Take care and be safe.

A regular member with 24 posts but not one of them an actual activity report calling out another newbie.

[QUOTE=LiamBrennan;4019541]Sorry man that girl doesn't show up on any of the main sites. And you're new. This kinda seems like a setup.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ceenote;4018325]
...I will storm out to the lobby naked and personally throw your sorry ass through the plate glass.
Love Always,

Ceenote.[/QUOTE]I don't mean to laugh at your frustration but damn, that is some funny shit right there!

LL.

Yeah I too got one few days back. So a girl addressed me by a name and mentioned we met up in Tinder and she is near my location to meet her sister and she wanted to catchup with me. There was a pic attachment of a girl in bikini standing in a restroom infront of the mirror. As much I was interested, I was little worried too, as how did she get my number. Also how did she know I am near the place mentioned in her text.

However, I called the number few days later to check if its an actual girl and it went to voicemail of TextMail customer that I was trying to reach blah blah blah. So I just dropped pursuing it and deleted the text message and never heard back again.

Well, yeah it was TGTBT.

[QUOTE=Play3447;4017394]Last night out of the blue, I get a text "Hey baby I'm available for outcall, Want some fun in your life? You have to see me tonight. My donation is $$. 25 Last four digits are 2663 and come back to several ads in various places for a I believe TGTBT Any thoughts or ideas? No idea where she may have got my digits. I know I have never reached out to this one because of the TGTBT?[/QUOTE]

So, hypothetically speaking of course, what if a dream was had with a well-reviewed UTR that left a lot to be desired. Is it considered proper etiquette to not disclose details about a dream that may not have been so 'dreamy' when it's a UTR? Or does this report cross a line in itself?

Should a person reach out through PM's to hobbyists that have seen her in the past and let them know?

The girl is probably cool enough and the residence is most likely safe as well. But.

[QUOTE=Scarab31;4021573]So, hypothetically speaking of course, what if a dream was had with a well-reviewed UTR that left a lot to be desired. Is it considered proper etiquette to not disclose details about a dream that may not have been so 'dreamy' when it's a UTR? Or does this report cross a line in itself?

Should a person reach out through PM's to hobbyists that have seen her in the past and let them know?

The girl is probably cool enough and the residence is most likely safe as well. But.[/QUOTE]UTRs are seen by other guys. It's definitely worth reporting because the numbers are shared, etc. Girls go back and forth from straight up pros to UTR all the time.

[QUOTE=Scarab31;4021573]So, hypothetically speaking of course, what if a dream was had with a well-reviewed UTR that left a lot to be desired. Is it considered proper etiquette to not disclose details about a dream that may not have been so 'dreamy' when it's a UTR? Or does this report cross a line in itself?

Should a person reach out through PM's to hobbyists that have seen her in the past and let them know?

The girl is probably cool enough and the residence is most likely safe as well. But.[/QUOTE]What are the odds of this UTR being seen by other mongers? If it's o. Why you that can have access, then there is no point You're just bragging if it's good, or complaining if it's bad. . But if others can see her, then reporting has value to the board in general.

You often read comments here about the potential "threats" that might be encountered while participating in P 4 P activities. Some members will chime in saying how they are never concerned since they have a CCW. I am not aware of any monger involved CCW shooting incidents, but I am trying to picture the aftermath of such a situation locally in Cincinnati.

Yeah if you feel threatened and you draw causing the thug to retreat that's great. If you did draw though and fired I am picturing a highly publicized event. An event that no matter what you say it is going to be obvious to LE, the public and your family what was really going on. I mean unless you are in some type of sales that typically has you cold calling places like the Travel Inn and seedy apartment buildings in areas of town you don't belong. Then maybe for you guys you have an alibi to give your wife.

Most of the "situations" that I read about (and one that I have experienced once myself) is the scam of separating you from you money with no intention of providing a service. This might involve unexpected muscle showing up that insists upon you leaving immediately without you cash or maybe getting robbed as you approach the incall. Yes the sting of pride and losing the donation may hurt, but the pain of that situation quickly passes.

We post so freely here about our exploits, but the fact is sex for money is illegal. You are carrying legally out of concern for the dangerous elements that exist while you yourself are committing a crime. Doing this thing that we call a hobby is likely when I need the protection offered by CCW the most. But so far I have opted to leave it behind thanks to so many grey areas.

I am also concerned about the period of time that I am naked. Yes my belongs might be close to the bed, but it is not physically in my possession. I am trying to get lost in my enjoyment and not keep one eye on something valuable registered in my name. I have always been a believer in not taking anything into an incall that I would not want to loose through theft or otherwise.

I kind of wrote a novel here so sorry about that, but I am interested in the thoughts of others on this topic.

For amusement purposes I found my post from 2009. It's fucking crazy how this is from 9 years ago, but as I read it I could clearly picture every aspect of that event. The Cliff's Notes version: I was in Price Hill, lost 40 dollars, didn't get hurt and didn't have an event where I had to talk to LE trying to make my case that I was in fear for my life. I have been lucky with this being the only time being robbed, but I do my best to minimize risk.

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[QUOTE=Ceenote;4025884]You often read comments here about the potential "threats" that might be encountered while participating in P 4 P activities. Some members will chime in saying how they are never concerned since they have a CCW. I am not aware of any monger involved CCW shooting incidents, but I am trying to picture the aftermath of such a situation locally in Cincinnati.

Yeah if you feel threatened and you draw causing the thug to retreat that's great. If you did draw though and fired I am picturing a highly publicized event. An event that no matter what you say it is going to be obvious to LE, the public and your family what was really going on. I mean unless you are in some type of sales that typically has you cold calling places like the Travel Inn and seedy apartment buildings in areas of town you don't belong. Then maybe for you guys you have an alibi to give your wife.

Most of the "situations" that I read about (and one that I have experienced once myself) is the scam of separating you from you money with no intention of providing a service. This might involve unexpected muscle showing up that insists upon you leaving immediately without you cash or maybe getting robbed as you approach the incall. Yes the sting of pride and losing the donation may hurt, but the pain of that situation quickly passes.

We post so freely here about our exploits, but the fact is sex for money is illegal. You are carrying legally out of concern for the dangerous elements that exist while you yourself are committing a crime. Doing this thing that we call a hobby is likely when I need the protection offered by CCW the most. But so far I have opted to leave it behind thanks to so many grey areas.

I am also concerned about the period of time that I am naked. Yes my belongs might be close to the bed, but it is not physically in my possession. I am trying to get lost in my enjoyment and not keep one eye on something valuable registered in my name. I have always been a believer in not taking anything into an incall that I would not want to loose through theft or otherwise.

I kind of wrote a novel here so sorry about that, but I am interested in the thoughts of others on this topic.

For amusement purposes I found my post from 2009. It's fucking crazy how this is from 9 years ago, but as I read it I could clearly picture every aspect of that event. The Cliff's Notes version: I was in Price Hill, lost 40 dollars, didn't get hurt and didn't have an event where I had to talk to LE trying to make my case that I was in fear for my life. I have been lucky with this being the only time being robbed, but I do my best to minimize risk.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?5539-Chat-Lines&p=843059&viewfull=1#post843059[/URL][/QUOTE]I pretty much agree. There's an obvious benefit to having a weapon you're legally allowed to carry, but plenty of shit can go wrong. What if there are drugs in the room if your Uncle crashes the party? They may not be your drugs, but if your Uncle shows up, it's your word against hers at first, and you're in a situation where there's drugs, your gun, and you in the room.

With that said, I'm not 100% against bringing a CCW toy. Things like the one dude getting punched by Kly30's boyfriend when he came home unexpectedly, or the poor bastard who got attacked at a provider's apartment in Pleasant Ridge don't seem to happen often. But they do happen. Odds of violence are probably higher with SWs. For most of us, all it will take for us to be toast at home is one black eye or one broken jaw we can't explain.

[QUOTE=Scarab31;4021573]So, hypothetically speaking of course, what if a dream was had with a well-reviewed UTR that left a lot to be desired. Is it considered proper etiquette to not disclose details about a dream that may not have been so 'dreamy' when it's a UTR? Or does this report cross a line in itself?

Should a person reach out through PM's to hobbyists that have seen her in the past and let them know?

The girl is probably cool enough and the residence is most likely safe as well. But.[/QUOTE]If her number is shared with other mongers by all means post. Someone my not had time to see her and if she is not worth the trip or time you have saved someone else a bad experience. Isn't that what the board is all about?

[QUOTE=SumiNice18;4020378]Yeah I too got one few days back. So a girl addressed me by a name and mentioned we met up in Tinder and she is near my location to meet her sister and she wanted to catchup with me. There was a pic attachment of a girl in bikini standing in a restroom infront of the mirror. As much I was interested, I was little worried too, as how did she get my number. Also how did she know I am near the place mentioned in her text.

However, I called the number few days later to check if its an actual girl and it went to voicemail of TextMail customer that I was trying to reach blah blah blah. So I just dropped pursuing it and deleted the text message and never heard back again.

Well, yeah it was TGTBT.[/QUOTE]By anu chance did they say for both your safety go to this site Yada Yada.

I don't always carry in these situations because of the risk as well. My biggest fear is while it is with my clothes, that aren't attached as well. I never take anything with me that would be a big problem if I lost it. Unfortunately, losing a weapon could cause all kinds of problems.

[QUOTE=Ceenote;4025884]You often read comments here about the potential "threats" that might be encountered while participating in P 4 P activities. Some members will chime in saying how they are never concerned since they have a CCW. I am not aware of any monger involved CCW shooting incidents, but I am trying to picture the aftermath of such a situation locally in Cincinnati.

Yeah if you feel threatened and you draw causing the thug to retreat that's great. If you did draw though and fired I am picturing a highly publicized event. An event that no matter what you say it is going to be obvious to LE, the public and your family what was really going on. I mean unless you are in some type of sales that typically has you cold calling places like the Travel Inn and seedy apartment buildings in areas of town you don't belong. Then maybe for you guys you have an alibi to give your wife.

Most of the "situations" that I read about (and one that I have experienced once myself) is the scam of separating you from you money with no intention of providing a service. This might involve unexpected muscle showing up that insists upon you leaving immediately without you cash or maybe getting robbed as you approach the incall. Yes the sting of pride and losing the donation may hurt, but the pain of that situation quickly passes.

We post so freely here about our exploits, but the fact is sex for money is illegal. You are carrying legally out of concern for the dangerous elements that exist while you yourself are committing a crime. Doing this thing that we call a hobby is likely when I need the protection offered by CCW the most. But so far I have opted to leave it behind thanks to so many grey areas.

I am also concerned about the period of time that I am naked. Yes my belongs might be close to the bed, but it is not physically in my possession. I am trying to get lost in my enjoyment and not keep one eye on something valuable registered in my name. I have always been a believer in not taking anything into an incall that I would not want to loose through theft or otherwise.

I kind of wrote a novel here so sorry about that, but I am interested in the thoughts of others on this topic.

For amusement purposes I found my post from 2009. It's fucking crazy how this is from 9 years ago, but as I read it I could clearly picture every aspect of that event. The Cliff's Notes version: I was in Price Hill, lost 40 dollars, didn't get hurt and didn't have an event where I had to talk to LE trying to make my case that I was in fear for my life. I have been lucky with this being the only time being robbed, but I do my best to minimize risk.

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[QUOTE=Scarab31;4021573]So, hypothetically speaking of course, what if a dream was had with a well-reviewed UTR that left a lot to be desired. Is it considered proper etiquette to not disclose details about a dream that may not have been so 'dreamy' when it's a UTR? [blue]Yes, if more than one guy is fucking her she's not UTR.[/blue] Or does this report cross a line in itself?[blue]Never[/blue]

Should a person reach out through PM's to hobbyists that have seen her in the past and let them know?[blue]Post it[/blue]

The girl is probably cool enough and the residence is most likely safe as well. But.[/QUOTE]Just post what you want to post.

Just remember that every dream has a certain YMMV Quality to it.

One man's steak is another's hamburger.

Post away.

[QUOTE=Scarab31;4021573]So, hypothetically speaking of course, what if a dream was had with a well-reviewed UTR that left a lot to be desired. Is it considered proper etiquette to not disclose details about a dream that may not have been so 'dreamy' when it's a UTR? Or does this report cross a line in itself?

Should a person reach out through PM's to hobbyists that have seen her in the past and let them know?

The girl is probably cool enough and the residence is most likely safe as well. But.[/QUOTE]