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Going to be in the SD area late tomorrow through middle of the next week. Mostly in SD, but will visit an old friend in San Marcos / Vista area. Travel always leaves me stiff, and I could use a good a masseuse that knows what she's doing. Wouldn't hurt if she also knows how to really release tension.
Anyone have any ladies in mind? Worse case I'll hit up a legit Thai place I know of. Appreciate the tips.
Its an interesting story, a kind of a long narrative woven into the tale of many other issues and conflicts that we face in society.
Rich versus poor, the white privilege of old money in a male dominated system.
But I think the sad thing that it doesn't point out is simply the fundamental right that individuals have to act upon their sexual needs and desires.
Human biology gives us the physical mechanism and the drive for sex.
The sex drive and the interaction between men and women deeply influences our interactions on so many levels were not consciously aware of it.
We are all the product of sex and all of us are hardwired for sexual activity.
To criminalize this expression of life itself, to make it a crime, this is basic fact of life hes truly a social problem that can't be overlooked.
If a member of society wants to pursue a healthy and normal sexual release their subject to fear shame anxiety arrest last of income.
The laws that puts these pressures on individuals only convolutes distorts the basic driving force of our humanity.
None of these laws or Government controls on our biology produces healthy sane rational individuals, it only creates a climate of fear over a basic human need.
Healthy sexual interactions between two consenting adults are inherently the right of those adults.
What happens behind closed doors is not hurting society and is demonstrated by the very end of this article and Vanity Fair As only hurting the poorest members of society. Women, mothers that are trying to help support their families as well as provide a service for individuals relieving their needs for loneliness and sexual interaction.
It seems of far worse crime to try to control and frustrate and subvert our basic biological needs.
It is your biological birth right to have sex.
Human beings have a physiological and health interest in having a sexual release. Sexual activity is good for the heart and emotional well-being. Its just one component of being a healthy well-adjusted person.
The same right you have to eating sleeping, in that its just necessary for a normal healthy life.
If you believe that clean air clean water and food are basic aspects of human existence then you should also be promoting fair and equitable means for humans to have sexual relations without government control without laws that criminalize and punish those to provide sexual services.
Truly end the victimization of sexuality by eliminating the laws to prosecute people for nothing more than being living human beings that are healthy enough to still have a sex drive.
Currently the laws punish the women that provide sexual services to men disproportionately.
This needs to change women, should not be treated as criminals for participating in the act of sex.
Neither should men be treated as social outcast or criminals because they have sexual needs and desires.
What two consenting adults agree to behind closed doors is not the business of the government and the laws need to be changed to prohibit this kind of obscene prohibition against human sexuality.
Sorry for the long post but I put this up on rub maps and thought that I'd share with the rest of you.
Be kind to your providers, be healthy and happy and try to live a peaceful life 😊.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/the-disturbing-saga-of-robert-kraft/amp
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[QUOTE=BlueSkyBlue;4479594]Its an interesting story, a kind of a long narrative woven into the tale of many other issues and conflicts that we face in society.
Rich versus poor, the white privilege of old money in a male dominated system.
But I think the sad thing that it doesn't point out is simply the fundamental right that individuals have to act upon their sexual needs and desires.
Human biology gives us the physical mechanism and the drive for sex.
The sex drive and the interaction between men and women deeply influences our interactions on so many levels were not consciously aware of it.
We are all the product of sex and all of us are hardwired for sexual activity.
To criminalize this expression of life itself, to make it a crime, this is basic fact of life hes truly a social problem that can't be overlooked.
If a member of society wants to pursue a healthy and normal sexual release their subject to fear shame anxiety arrest last of income.
The laws that puts these pressures on individuals only convolutes distorts the basic driving force of our humanity.
None of these laws or Government controls on our biology produces healthy sane rational individuals, it only creates a climate of fear over a basic human need.
Healthy sexual interactions between two consenting adults are inherently the right of those adults.
What happens behind closed doors is not hurting society and is demonstrated by the very end of this article and Vanity Fair As only hurting the poorest members of society. Women, mothers that are trying to help support their families as well as provide a service for individuals relieving their needs for loneliness and sexual interaction.
It seems of far worse crime to try to control and frustrate and subvert our basic biological needs.
It is your biological birth right to have sex.
Human beings have a physiological and health interest in having a sexual release. Sexual activity is good for the heart and emotional well-being. Its just one component of being a healthy well-adjusted person.
The same right you have to eating sleeping, in that its just necessary for a normal healthy life.
If you believe that clean air clean water and food are basic aspects of human existence then you should also be promoting fair and equitable means for humans to have sexual relations without government control without laws that criminalize and punish those to provide sexual services.
Truly end the victimization of sexuality by eliminating the laws to prosecute people for nothing more than being living human beings that are healthy enough to still have a sex drive.
Currently the laws punish the women that provide sexual services to men disproportionately.
This needs to change women, should not be treated as criminals for participating in the act of sex.
Neither should men be treated as social outcast or criminals because they have sexual needs and desires.
What two consenting adults agree to behind closed doors is not the business of the government and the laws need to be changed to prohibit this kind of obscene prohibition against human sexuality.[/QUOTE]Could not agree with you more. Outlawing sex and procurement of sex has led to the furthering of trafficking. By regulation and allowance it would decrease that. Fucking is a normal thing. All people like it. And all people should do it however the fuck they want.
I have no issues helping out a chick who digs cock. No reason to punish her or me for that.
[QUOTE=GrayCock;4479889]Could not agree with you more. Outlawing sex and procurement of sex has led to the furthering of trafficking. By regulation and allowance it would decrease that. Fucking is a normal thing. All people like it. And all people should do it however the fuck they want.
I have no issues helping out a chick who digs cock. No reason to punish her or me for that.[/QUOTE][BLUE]Amnesty International recently said that if you want to get rid of trafficking then the first step is to decriminalize sex work everywhere in the world.
Google Amnesty International sex worker rights are human rights
It's a great read
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I think this place is in Bonita. Near swc. I don't know, I'm not from here. In any case, I was given Quasimodo. She had pretty nice arms, if wishing your arms was muscular is your thing. The massage was pretty good though, the flip was weird but the two handed approach showed she was trying. Due to the massage, it was a decent experience overall. Might not recommend though since all the ladies were kind of far from good looking.
Hi. Lurker for a while. Now a member. Looking for some helpers. Went to crystal massage a month ago. First time to AMP. Saw Lisa. Not too much to tell. 35 up front for 30 minutes. Good massage all over, flip, more massage and HE. All great. Tipped. 4.
So went back today. Same deal but different lady. Not as engaged I felt but a really good med level massage. However, no flip, no he. Just said we finished. Realized 30 minutes had gone by.
So my question is. Did I miss a sign by her or was she just not interested to massage my front, etc. Tipped. 2. But was disappointed. Any advice would be awesome. Any better places to go to around San Marcos?
Well you learned one of the first important lessons in mongering.
YMMV (your mileage may vary).
Sometimes a person just gives off the LE vibe and the providers are just being careful.
Some providers just don't want to offer extras. Maybe to somebody else but not you, sometimes it takes repeat visits before they warm up to you. Oh yeah by the way the owner / manager of Crystal used to not give happy endings but the other girls were more obliging
San Marcos has a lot of great places for a rub and tug. Massage Wen, Sakata Thai, Holy massage, Angie massage, Rainbow massage, The other place next to the car wash that used to be called Jasmine Garden that for a while had a sign outside calling itself rainbow as well, Metal oxide, AA relax. These places and a few other I've personally had happy endings.
Couple things to remember, try going for an hour and don't have high expectations, go with the flow sometimes they don't offer extras and sometimes they just want to make sure you're not LE.
Providers are human beings with a different moods, different situations, so as always your mileage will vary.
Just tip well for good service that you like and after a few visits you'll get the hang of what's required but don't be too aggressive or pushy but try put your hand on her leg to make a little contact. Just send out subtle signals that you're interested in a little more, they have seen enough dude to pick up on it right away what you're looking for.
Just respect their wishes and enjoy the experience regardless of what happens.
[QUOTE=Texbrot;4480629]Hi. Lurker for a while. Now a member. Looking for some helpers. Went to crystal massage a month ago. First time to AMP. Saw Lisa. Not too much to tell. 35 up front for 30 minutes. Good massage all over, flip, more massage and HE. All great. Tipped. 4.
So went back today. Same deal but different lady. Not as engaged I felt but a really good med level massage. However, no flip, no he. Just said we finished. Realized 30 minutes had gone by.
So my question is. Did I miss a sign by her or was she just not interested to massage my front, etc. Tipped. 2. But was disappointed. Any advice would be awesome. Any better places to go to around San Marcos?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BlueSkyBlue;4480914]Well you learned one of the first important lessons in mongering.
YMMV (your mileage may vary).
Sometimes a person just gives off the LE vibe and the providers are just being careful.
Some providers just don't want to offer extras. Maybe to somebody else but not you, sometimes it takes repeat visits before they warm up to you. Oh yeah by the way the owner / manager of Crystal used to not give happy endings but the other girls were more obliging
San Marcos has a lot of great places for a rub and tug. Massage Wen, Sakata Thai, Holy massage, Angie massage, Rainbow massage, The other place next to the car wash that used to be called Jasmine Garden that for a while had a sign outside calling itself rainbow as well, Metal oxide, AA relax. These places and a few other I've personally had happy endings.
Couple things to remember, try going for an hour and don't have high expectations, go with the flow sometimes they don't offer extras and sometimes they just want to make sure you're not LE.
Providers are human beings with a different moods, different situations, so as always your mileage will vary.
Just tip well for good service that you like and after a few visits you'll get the hang of what's required but don't be too aggressive or pushy but try put your hand on her leg to make a little contact. Just send out subtle signals that you're interested in a little more, they have seen enough dude to pick up on it right away what you're looking for.
Just respect their wishes and enjoy the experience regardless of what happens.[/QUOTE]Nicely said, and so true. Thanks.
Recently I had the urge for a decent massage plus HE, but wanted to go local, so I stopped in to East County Spa. It's been almost 2 months since I was there last, when the papasan was an older white guy and I did finish with a HE, so I wanted to see if they had new MTs. This time the papasan was a middle aged Chinese guy. The MT was a different one too, but again 40 ish and just "meh" looking. Not skinny, not fat, just overall average with glasses. Paid $45 for 1 hr. The massage was good--she got out some kinks I didn't know I had. Downside was since this was in the AM so they had other customers. One was a female I could hear finishing up talking to her MT in the next room. Well, mid-massage I gave the universal "I'm not LE" leg rub followed up with some ass grabbing when she mounted the table with her crotch above my head. Nothing. No response, no giggling, no brushing my hands away. No teasing after the flip. No HE this time. Strange. I tipped $20 for the good massage and she seemed happy. Chalk another one up to YMMV.
Right after that session I headed to Perfecta in El Cajon. Mamasan (also MT) seemed late 40's and had a chain smoker hacking cough. Well, I had to get released, so I went ahead with it. She pushed for boom-boom, but I opted for the standard hhr rub & tug instead. Nothing special, same old same old.
Later on that week, after a rousing session at Cheetah's and, Little Mikey was in the mood for something young and pretty so I rolled down the street to A spa. MT was gorgeous, a young spinner with not cheap C cup implants (probably a natural B cup, so a very good job of enhancing without going too big). Name of Sunshine, or whatever. (Does it matter? She's probably back in LA now.) Anyway, looking at her hot bod Little Mikey is at full attention. Big mistake. She lets me know Little Mikey is (paraphrasing) too beaucoup for FS. Again? Damn! Well, we had a good time anyway, although she did cry "No biting!" even though I was only sucking on those nice pencil eraser nipples, and not very hard.
Fast forward to this week and after the confusing experience at East County Spa I decided to check in with my standard go-to, Cajon Spa. One hour was $40 and MT was your typical 40 ish auntie and just not quite passable to wake up Little Mikey. Fuck it, I say to myself, I'll go to Z and see what's going on there, after reading some of the posts here. MT was Angela. She was not attractive. Like at all. Very un-Z-like. Annoying, too--was coughing like she was sick and kept trying to put a candy in my hand. Her massage skills sucked, too. This was more like skin petting than muscle massage. Little Mikey had retreated back inside me, he was so turned off, and I was just counting down the minutes until this was over, regretting paying for a full hour. Oh, she kept on teasing, even patting Little Mikey, but all I said was, "Massage only, please. " I hate when I have to say that. After the session, I tipped $10. She's lucky she got anything. She immediately says, "No, 20 more!" I exclaimed, "For what! And headed out angrily, not even acknowledging mamasan's sayonara. I think I'll wait a while before returning to Z to see if they can get their shit together.
Having struck out twice, I found myself back at A Spa. Not to sound repetitive, but MT was a gorgeous young spinner with natural C cups and a nice hairy yet trimmed back Bush. I like that. Sorry, didn't get her name. I opted for hhr naked HJ which she wouldn't do for less than $80. (I would have asked for FS but after the two prior failed attempts at scoring a decent looking MT, I was short on cash.) She did a sexy body slide, played with Little Mikey, and gave a good HJ while I sucked on those perky Cs. Only complaint is while I was rubbing that nice hairy Asian pussy she wouldn't let me go FIV. Oh well. Still worth it. I could see myself settling in to a craft-beer-then-Cheetah's-then-A-Spa routine.
But me want p p wax tho.
[QUOTE=BlueSkyBlue;4480914]Well you learned one of the first important lessons in mongering.
YMMV (your mileage may vary).
Sometimes a person just gives off the LE vibe and the providers are just being careful.
Some providers just don't want to offer extras. Maybe to somebody else but not you, sometimes it takes repeat visits before they warm up to you. Oh yeah by the way the owner / manager of Crystal used to not give happy endings but the other girls were more obliging
San Marcos has a lot of great places for a rub and tug. Massage Wen, Sakata Thai, Holy massage, Angie massage, Rainbow massage, The other place next to the car wash that used to be called Jasmine Garden that for a while had a sign outside calling itself rainbow as well, Metal oxide, AA relax. These places and a few other I've personally had happy endings.
Couple things to remember, try going for an hour and don't have high expectations, go with the flow sometimes they don't offer extras and sometimes they just want to make sure you're not LE.
Providers are human beings with a different moods, different situations, so as always your mileage will vary.
Just tip well for good service that you like and after a few visits you'll get the hang of what's required but don't be too aggressive or pushy but try put your hand on her leg to make a little contact. Just send out subtle signals that you're interested in a little more, they have seen enough dude to pick up on it right away what you're looking for.
Just respect their wishes and enjoy the experience regardless of what happens.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Koolbeans;4469035]I had today off and decided to hit up U Spa this morning. I walked in and an older lady greeted me and showed me to the room. I hoped to get a younger provider, but she was the one that came back into the room. She gave a great massage and then on the flip asked what I wanted. I thought with my little head and went for it. Paid. 4 for 1 hr. And $. 4 for the tip. She put the cover on and then had me stand up while she laid back on the table. I thought man not even an effort to try and work for the money. It reminded me of some places in Pattaya. It was a new low for me as the provider probably could be a grandma, but got the job done. She gives a legit massage, but would prefer someone at least half her age. Also noticed bugs crawling on my arm and the floor. I didn't even get her name as I won't be back to ask. Good luck brothers and have fun![/QUOTE]You Massage have been lack luster lately. I stopped by a few times and the only one working was YuYu, she's nice but on the heavy side. I used to go there at lease a few times a month but they are off my rotation now. They need to bring back Angela and some better girls.
Finally tried the notorious A spa, took a while to find the place and it was a bit awkward walking past some family's exiting the bunny store nearby. Best thing about this place is that it's a block away from my favorite cajun shellfish place which is what I'm eating right now with this review.
So I walk in an awkwardly try to communicate with the first girl about seeing a lineup, because why not get a lineup if I can. Eventually she had me speak into her google translate, leave the room and calls two other girls over. The cutie I immediately wanted to uh, provide my services, had much better english but she said she couldn't do an hour because she had an appointment in 30 minutes =(. Eventually I awkwardly request the original girl again. She introduces herself as mimi and I paid for the hour.
Initial massage was pretty perfunctory and mechanical. Mostly just rubbing my back really. Couldn't get much of a conversation going because my mandarin is non existent like her english. Eventually I just reach up her leg and finger her a bit and she gives me the wink wink. Pulls out her phone again and types a buck sixty into your calculator. I deleted and countered with $. 40 which she accepted. I pay her and lie back down. She comes in and throws off the dress, which I wish she's let me do for her but whatever. Few minutes of foreplay followed by the main course. This ones not much for a screamer, and apparently some of you long johns out there hadn't been by today because she felt great. At some point she tried to fake an orgasm, points for thoughtfullness I guess. I carried her to the couch and let her finish me off. Afterwards as she's wiping me down she asks where I'm from because I look Chinese. I said my family is from China I just don't speak mandarin. She asks if I speak canto, which I do. And suddenly we have a way to communicate.
With the Ice broken she spent the last 20 minutes going back to the massage with MUCH better technique than before and we had some light convo in canto. I ended up giving her the extra 20 on my way out since she said she was leaving in a few days. A+ for A Spa.
Looks like some of the ladies at HH now offer prostate:
[URL]https://www.massagemissionvalley.com/hotties/[/URL]
Does this mean they put on a glove and stick a finger in your butt like the old American Pie movie?
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rtUvlR1pZE[/URL]
I think that's another case of your mileage may vary, personally, I have never found the prostate experience all that interesting. I don't care if they stick their finger in my ass, it just doesn't give me that fabulous great feeling that some guys claim.
Supposedly when done properly the girl can slowly put her finger in and stimulate your prostate and it's an intense and pleasurable orgasm.
I've had the doctor put their finger in my ass a few times (even a cute female doctor) wasn't doing it for me. I'm sure I have a prostate (at least I hope that's what they were doing when they were fingering my ass) but I've just never had somebody find the right place I guess.
I've actually gone to independents who advertise prostate and I've had a lot of girls while giving me a hand job or blow job put their finger in my ass but it just doesn't seem to be my trigger spot. Now when a girl try's to put her finger in my ass, I usually tell her it feels better if she puts her tongue on my asshole but I get very few that will rim me.
Give it a go, you might like it.
[QUOTE=NudeBeachPerv;4481604]Looks like some of the ladies at HH now offer prostate:
[URL]https://www.massagemissionvalley.com/hotties/[/URL]
Does this mean they put on a glove and stick a finger in your butt like the old American Pie movie?
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rtUvlR1pZE[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TexBrot;4480629]Hi. Lurker for a while. Now a member. Looking for some helpers. Went to crystal massage a month ago. First time to AMP. Saw Lisa. Not too much to tell. 35 up front for 30 minutes. Good massage all over, flip, more massage and HE. All great. Tipped. 4.
So went back today. Same deal but different lady. Not as engaged I felt but a really good med level massage. However, no flip, no he. Just said we finished. Realized 30 minutes had gone by.
So my question is. Did I miss a sign by her or was she just not interested to massage my front, etc. Tipped. 2. But was disappointed. Any advice would be awesome. Any better places to go to around San Marcos?[/QUOTE]So many possible reasons that you missed at least a HJ. I always (like most guys) start on my stomach and never put a towel on my butt. Sometimes the MT will come in and cover your butt with a towel which let you know this may be a limited extras place. When she starts and is at the head of the table I always reach up and feel her legs, lightly run my hands up and if she doesn't stop me I play with her butt and kitty. This tells her what I want. If she lets me know that there will be no extras then I just get up, get dressed and leave, no sense wasting any more time.
Well, I read Blue Sky Blues comments and gave HH a quick call. The lady was rather short with me and asked that I call back another time. IDK if they were really busy and booked up or she was having a bad day.
I wound up trying a place called I Massage off of Rosecrans. Upon entering I got kind of a weird vibe, it seemed upscale and seedy at the same time. I waited in the lobby a few moments before being greeted by a good looking older woman in shorts and a t-shirt. I was going to get the 30 minutes for $30 but saw a combo option for $35 that included a foot massage. I figured why not and got the combo. She escorted me to a room. There were a few things I noticed, first there were bars attached to the ceiling almost like what a gymnast would use. Secondly there was a sign saying the masseuses did not offer any kind of sexual activity.
I waited a good 10 minutes before my masseuse showed up. She was a stunner. She asked if I wanted soft, medium or hard and I opted for hard. I was about to find out why there were bars on the ceiling. At one point, she was walking on my back. She then poured hot oil onto my legs and back which felt amazing. She then told me she was going to get towels to clean up the oil. She left for a good 5 minutes and I heard her arguing with another woman outside the door.
She finally came back and asked me to turn over. She was super careful with the drapping. She massaged my hands, neck and shoulders. Then she got gloves and began massaging my feet and calves. I haven't had my feet massaged before and it alternated from amazing to ticklish. She then told me the massage was over and I thanked her. She left.
It took a few moments for me to get off the massage table and to be able to stand up straight. I was still naked and she barged in and handed me a plate of candies. She giggled and shut the door. I finally got myself dressed and was unsure of the protocol. Was I supposed to leave a tip in the room on the plate of candies or leave a tip with someone at the front desk. I wandered to the front desk and no one was there. I quickly visited the restroom and then walked back the front desk. I waited a moment and then one of the ladies opened a door, smiled at me and waved. I waved back and left.
You guys might get a kick out of the yelp reviews:
[URL]https://www.yelp.com/biz/i-massage-san-diego[/URL]
(Apparently they had a handsy male masseuse.).
I have been there once before and opted for the 90 min massage with a lady in her 40's. After the massage, she noticed Jr was awake. She offered me oil for self service which I've never done before in a MP. I motioned her to help me and she paused for a second and hesitatingly did. After the release, I gave her. 4 as a tip in the room, dressed, paid at the front desk and left. It was a legit massage throughout with no hint of extras. I think she wanted to help me relax as it was late at night just before closing. Overall it was a good massage and release.
[QUOTE=NudeBeachPerv;4481896]Well, I read Blue Sky Blues comments and gave HH a quick call. The lady was rather short with me and asked that I call back another time. IDK if they were really busy and booked up or she was having a bad day.
I wound up trying a place called I Massage off of Rosecrans. Upon entering I got kind of a weird vibe, it seemed upscale and seedy at the same time. I waited in the lobby a few moments before being greeted by a good looking older woman in shorts and a t-shirt. I was going to get the 30 minutes for $30 but saw a combo option for $35 that included a foot massage. I figured why not and got the combo. She escorted me to a room. There were a few things I noticed, first there were bars attached to the ceiling almost like what a gymnast would use. Secondly there was a sign saying the masseuses did not offer any kind of sexual activity.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NudeBeachPerv;4481896]
You guys might get a kick out of the yelp reviews:
[URL]https://www.yelp.com/biz/i-massage-san-diego[/URL]
(Apparently they had a handsy male masseuse.).[/QUOTE]Hilariously written. Lady's are complaining about Mike and then others are saying how great he was. You know why they thought he was great. Haha.
[QUOTE=MartinL;4482701]Hilariously written. Lady's are complaining about Mike and then others are saying how great he was. You know why they thought he was great. Haha.[/QUOTE]There are two locations, someone on Yelp posted a pic of the sign that was in the room:
[URL]https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/i-massage-la-mesa-3?select=iyKCPmw6df4uDwJ21A4D0w&reviewid=pV7iJ9Mp6PvFC_uWBqRTtA[/URL]
Apparently it is opposite day when Happy Mikey is in the house.
[QUOTE=DkBruinFan74;4447420]New member here. Great board! And thank you all for sharing your info.
I'm looking for a very sensual FBSM, possibly with some lfk / dfk action. I've seen Lyndsey Lux and YamYam in the past and they were both awesome experiences, particularly Lyndsey, which felt like a real hit and heavy hookup with a new GF. I'd just go back to Lyndsey, but I've read that she's gained a lot of weight. Was thinking of trying the big boobed Michelle or Melina. And I'm okay with the session progressing to FS if the chemistry is right (those are the best experiences IMO).
Anyone willing to share some recs or opinions on these girls or others I should be considering? Thanks![/QUOTE]I've had both Michelle and Melina. They are different experiences in my opinion. Michelle is more talkative and just oozes sensuality and sexiness. She places your hands on her and does active reach under. I've never kissed her but would love to. It seems she is offering VIP now for 400.
Melina is quiet and reserved but lets my hands go wherever I want. She rarely initiates anything and hardly ever speaks. She seems to be more willing whereas Michelle is more of an active participant.
After enjoying NudeBeachPerv link posted, I looked over the heavenly hands website and wow a lot of good looking girl photos with a long list of add ons. It looks like the selection is amazing.
I know each of these girls is still essentially an independent contractor but I would have thought these prices were all inclusive, if you wanted to tip, that's fine but for the price of entry you were paying I was assume the tip was included. But after looking at the website Gratuity is not included. - Average tip is 20% – 30%.
Have I been missing something the whole time or is this kind of recent?
Honestly I tend to stay away from independence or organizations like this because of bad experiences I had years ago but they definitely look intriguing.
I guess they're just a little more expensive than I had assumed, especially when considering they appear to be HJ only with the add on option of nude but really nothing more.
Am I underestimating the potential experience here because I assumed these were not full-service girls / Limited services provided?
Anyone care to share with me either here or pm What exactly the menus are and what the total cost is?
Inquiring minds want to know 😊.
[QUOTE=NudeBeachPerv;4481604]Looks like some of the ladies at HH now offer prostate:
[URL]https://www.massagemissionvalley.com/hotties/[/URL]
Does this mean they put on a glove and stick a finger in your butt like the old American Pie movie?
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rtUvlR1pZE[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BlueSkyBlue;4485019]
I know each of these girls is still essentially an independent contractor but I would have thought these prices were all inclusive, if you wanted to tip, that's fine but for the price of entry you were paying I was assume the tip was included. But after looking at the website Gratuity is not included. - Average tip is 20% 30%.
Have I been missing something the whole time or is this kind of recent?
Inquiring minds want to know 😊.[/QUOTE]Although I haven't been to HH, I can speak to my general experience with "tipping. " If you're used to typical AMPs, the house fee is just that. It gets you on the table and a set period of time with a massage. The provider will expect a tip even for a rub, and certainly more for a tug. Most of these other establishments like HH, XO, MO, and most independents charge a higher base fee with set menu add-ons. For that fee YMMV, but the HE is included. I've found that you're more likely to get a perfunctary rub and tug, minimal mutual contact, lame body slide effort if you don't: a) book the premium add-ons, and b) ask if there's more with a nice tip.
Personally, I think it's worth it for the an indi who has a private incall, especially an apartment, but if you don't mind taking whoever is available in a line-up an AMP is definitely more bang (pun intended) for your buck.
[QUOTE=BlueSkyBlue;4485019]
I know each of these girls is still essentially an independent contractor but I would have thought these prices were all inclusive, if you wanted to tip, that's fine but for the price of entry you were paying I was assume the tip was included. But after looking at the website Gratuity is not included. - Average tip is 20% 30%.
[/QUOTE]I have only been to Heavenly Hands once. I did not tip and no comment was made about it.
[QUOTE=BlueSkyBlue;4485019]
Honestly I tend to stay away from independence or organizations like this because of bad experiences I had years ago but they definitely look intriguing.
I guess they're just a little more expensive than I had assumed, especially when considering they appear to be HJ only with the add on option of nude but really nothing more.
Am I underestimating the potential experience here because I assumed these were not full-service girls / Limited services provided?
Anyone care to share with me either here or pm What exactly the menus are and what the total cost is?
Inquiring minds want to know 😊.[/QUOTE]I have been here a number of times. Probably about 6. And each girl is a little different in the way they do their rub. Most are lousy in the massage. So you spend most of your time face down and flapping your arms around trying to grab whatever they put in reach. It's annoying. They've never been sensual at all. I've never had a girl ask my name or about the day. They just have you come in lay down and rub oil on your back till its time to jack you off.
The rare exception has been when some people have reported that the girl was willing to do some extras. But those extras are never FS and I'm assuming no BJs either.
I have frankly never tipped nor have I ever wanted to. They have never driven me crazy with sensual teasing, or with the HJ. It's so mechanical and immpersonal I just go to grope a girl's body and leave. They get what they get.
Anyone run across any skanky over-makeup wearing trashy GILFs, preferably with a set of bolt ons recently? Like a Trophy Lounge reject? Not normally my thing but just have a odd craving. PM if you wish and are too embarrassed to share on forum LOL.
Thanks.
MD.
[QUOTE=MartinL;4483995]I've had both Michelle and Melina. They are different experiences in my opinion. Michelle is more talkative and just oozes sensuality and sexiness. She places your hands on her and does active reach under. I've never kissed her but would love to. It seems she is offering VIP now for 400.
Melina is quiet and reserved but lets my hands go wherever I want. She rarely initiates anything and hardly ever speaks. She seems to be more willing whereas Michelle is more of an active participant.[/QUOTE]I swear Michelle must be making insane money these days. I first saw her in La Jolla a few years ago 80 $ for half hour. Then saw her in mission valley for 100 and 120. Now her half hour is 150! Plus these VIP sessions she has to be raking it in big time.
[QUOTE=MyDream;4485441]Anyone run across any skanky over-makeup wearing trashy GILFs, preferably with a set of bolt ons recently? Like a Trophy Lounge reject? Not normally my thing but just have a odd craving. PM if you wish and are too embarrassed to share on forum LOL.
Thanks.
MD.[/QUOTE]Look up this thing named Lexi in Bay Park.
[QUOTE=JayLake;4485599]I swear Michelle must be making insane money these days. I first saw her in La Jolla a few years ago 80 $ for half hour. Then saw her in mission valley for 100 and 120. Now her half hour is 150! Plus these VIP sessions she has to be raking it in big time.[/QUOTE]Same for me. Saw Michelle the week before she moved to MV for 80 hhr. The following week she asked me if I wanted to come by, but her price went up. I politely declined. I swear it's impossible to find 80 hhr nowadays.
[QUOTE=BlueSkyBlue;4485019]After enjoying NudeBeachPerv link posted, I looked over the heavenly hands website and wow a lot of good looking girl photos with a long list of add ons. It looks like the selection is amazing.
I know each of these girls is still essentially an independent contractor but I would have thought these prices were all inclusive, if you wanted to tip, that's fine but for the price of entry you were paying I was assume the tip was included. But after looking at the website Gratuity is not included. - Average tip is 20% 30%.
Have I been missing something the whole time or is this kind of recent?
Honestly I tend to stay away from independence or organizations like this because of bad experiences I had years ago but they definitely look intriguing.
I guess they're just a little more expensive than I had assumed, especially when considering they appear to be HJ only with the add on option of nude but really nothing more.
Am I underestimating the potential experience here because I assumed these were not full-service girls / Limited services provided?
Anyone care to share with me either here or pm What exactly the menus are and what the total cost is?
Inquiring minds want to know 😊.[/QUOTE]
I've been to HH twice. I went on a day where they were doing free body slides. Limited mutual touching was allowed. It was a mediocre massage by a pretty masseuse that rubbed her tits on me and finished with a HJ. This was before they had a website so there was nothing posted about tipping. I did not tip after my first visit.
At the second visit I got a really hot masseuse (no longer there). I originally scheduled a 30 minutes session but because she got completely nude and did an awesome camel slides. I extended the session to 1 hour and tipped her $40 after the session.
They definitely got some hotties there, but with their website up listing the services and their address I'm not comfortable returning. Also the entrance to the place is not at all discreet.
[QUOTE=MyDream;4485441]Anyone run across any skanky over-makeup wearing trashy GILFs, preferably with a set of bolt ons recently? Like a Trophy Lounge reject? Not normally my thing but just have a odd craving. PM if you wish and are too embarrassed to share on forum LOL.
Thanks.
MD.[/QUOTE]Haha, I've heard stories about the aunties at Trophy: lounge and the Wespac Widows.
Maybe try your luck at this "classy" place.
[URL]http://www.thads.com[/URL]
[QUOTE=RChangDatyKing;4485740]They definitely got some hotties there, but with their website up listing the services and their address I'm not comfortable returning. Also the entrance to the place is not at all discreet.[/QUOTE]I wonder if this operates under some grey area of the law. IE the ladies get adult entertainment permits like the ladies at strip clubs, the establishment is allowed to continue because it has bought a license similar to Thads and SDPD looks the other way.
[QUOTE=NudeBeachPerv;4485981]Haha, I've heard stories about the aunties at Trophy: lounge and the Wespac Widows.
Maybe try your luck at this "classy" place.
[URL]http://www.thads.com[/URL][/QUOTE]Been mongering a while, never heard of that AMP. Thanks though.
[QUOTE=MyDream;4486010]Been mongering a while, never heard of that AMP. Thanks though.[/QUOTE]It's technically not an AMP but a sex club. Since you mentioned Trophy Lounge, my understanding was its of Navy guys would go there, Thad's is similar in that respect. It is a BYOB sex club, I was kind of joking but if you don't mind a divey place it might be worth going to once or twice.
[QUOTE=NudeBeachPerv;4486015]It's technically not an AMP but a sex club. Since you mentioned Trophy Lounge, my understanding was its of Navy guys would go there, Thad's is similar in that respect. It is a BYOB sex club, I was kind of joking but if you don't mind a divey place it might be worth going to once or twice.[/QUOTE]Used to be a few hot bartender girls; a lot of Wespac widows and Philipino chicks looking for their next husbands, or something to replace their vibrators for the night. Parking lot was similar to the floors at Jolar. Hahaha!
[QUOTE=MyDream;4486097]Used to be a few hot bartender girls; a lot of Wespac widows and Philipino chicks looking for their next husbands, or something to replace their vibrators for the night. Parking lot was similar to the floors at Jolar. Hahaha![/QUOTE]Hahaha, I think the floors at Thad's have both that parking lot and Jolars beat.
BTW, I've heard this is the unofficial replacement for Trophy Lounge...
https://www.yelp.com/biz/legendary-mcdinis-national-city
All this talk about this and thads is making me curious, any idea a good time to check either out?
Me too, hit me up if you need a wingman.
[QUOTE=King4;4486215]All this talk about this and thads is making me curious, any idea a good time to check either out?[/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=NudeBeachPerv;4485998]I wonder if this operates under some grey area of the law. IE the ladies get adult entertainment permits like the ladies at strip clubs, the establishment is allowed to continue because it has bought a license similar to Thads and SDPD looks the other way.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if there's such a permit or license that allow masseuse to perform massages, body slides, etc in the nude.
I've never been to Thads so I don't know what goes on there.
I think even with an entertainment license the girls, dancers, strippers still can't touch a client's Johnson. I remembered the days going to Les Girls where the girls can walk around in the lobby naked. In the back private show rooms the girls perform nude dances but had to stay on the "stage" and be away a certain feet. Same thing with the Body Shop in their private booths the girls can dance naked but needed to be a certain feet away from the customers. They can do table / chair dance up close but they have to remained clothed.
I don't know if an entertainment license will allow a masseuse to get nude and perform body slides, camel slides on a client, and/or allow clients to suck on their tits.
It would be nice to know if SDPD does turn a blind eye at HH because they have some special permit, then I would probably repeat. I doubt there's such a permit.
My experience with this place is that it's like bass fishing with dynamite if you have any game. It's owned by Filipinos for the past handful of years. A lot of Filipinas, single, married. Very easy to find your mate for the night, especially Thur. The weekend. I used to hit it up regularly but not so much any more but judging from the lunch crowd it's probably still the same. A few years back they had a nice looking Filipina bartender with big tits who lived a few blocks away. She was a regular but I haven't seen her there in a while.
One word of caution. Play your cards honestly or be prepared for drama. There are women there that don't care about your relationship status and those that do and if you get caught up, drama will ensue. I'm single but had a married buddy get in a jam because his girl for the night didn't appreciate him not being honest.
[QUOTE=NudeBeachPerv;4486102]Hahaha, I think the floors at Thad's have both that parking lot and Jolars beat.
BTW, I've heard this is the unofficial replacement for Trophy Lounge...
https://www.yelp.com/biz/legendary-mcdinis-national-city[/QUOTE]