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You got to love the (Not Private) Verification videos on Secret Benefits! Many of the girls don't realize the videos are posted on their profiles.
This girls pics are so hot! I would have met her. The video saved me a lot of time+effort.
You should watch, it's pretty damn funny, she's like a Russian gulag prison guard.
[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/1b9d4cdfa86996d7[/URL]
Well, looks like Blackhawk visa stopped working. I tried and it failed and I called Blackhawk and had a quite embarrassing call where a very nice customer service agent told me that their cards can't be used for escort sites. Nice. That was fun.
Anyone know of prepaid cards that DO work these days, except for one vanilla (they stopped making them)? Please do share, or DM me. I'd be happy to hear.
I'm no longer VIP on that crooked money-grubbing language-censoring site Seeking. But if any of you guys travel to the greater Boston / Providence areas, I've got 4 with current profiles on SA, who I have numbers for, women in their 40's and 50's, who fuck raw, and are DFK-loving GFE pleasers. Two are 3-hole cumdumpsters. Prices of these are 300 or under for an hour or more or 180 or under for a half. One of those took two visits to get into the vagina bareback and leave a creampie. The others are beyond slam dunk cream pie lovers who love getting sperm loads from total strangers. Two of those also advertise on the regular hoe sites like STG. The other two are indeed also hoes, but they think that they are not hoes. (You know the type!) One of those I've fucked raw on the rag, and ate her out and spit it into her mouth! I'll trade you the numbers of all four, for a decent raw-dogging "sugar baby" in that price range in LA. But she must have an incall within about 20 minutes by Uber from Santa Monica. PM me if you are interested. I've naked and / or cream pie pictures of all of them I can share by email. The ones you offer don't need to be sugar babies, ordinary cream pie loving hoes will also do nicely!
[QUOTE=RanManCan;7391992]You got to love the (Not Private) Verification videos on Secret Benefits! Many of the girls don't realize the videos are posted on their profiles.
This girls pics are so hot! I would have met her. The video saved me a lot of time+effort.
You should watch, it's pretty damn funny, she's like a Russian gulag prison guard.
[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/1b9d4cdfa86996d7[/URL][/QUOTE]Lolz.
This girl checked my profile.
The best profiles are are ones where the main profile picture is blurred while they have a verification video.
99% of the verification videos result me in wishing I got my 3 seconds back.
[QUOTE=Murrican;7392033]Well, looks like Blackhawk visa stopped working. I tried and it failed and I called Blackhawk and had a quite embarrassing call where a very nice customer service agent told me that their cards can't be used for escort sites. Nice. That was fun.
Anyone know of prepaid cards that DO work these days, except for one vanilla (they stopped making them)? Please do share, or DM me. I'd be happy to hear.[/QUOTE]None of them works anymore. You have to use a real valid credit card. Best way is to borrow a friend's credit card who's not on the site himself. If there are two accounts using same credit card, your account will get flagged.
[QUOTE=Murrican;7392033]Well, looks like Blackhawk visa stopped working. I tried and it failed and I called Blackhawk and had a quite embarrassing call where a very nice customer service agent told me that their cards can't be used for escort sites. Nice. That was fun.
Anyone know of prepaid cards that DO work these days, except for one vanilla (they stopped making them)? Please do share, or DM me. I'd be happy to hear.[/QUOTE]If you have iPhone use Apple Cash. Deposit money into your Apple Cash account. You can generate a virtual credit card number linked to that account. It's essentially a throw away CC number that's supposedly anonymous. Use that virtual CC number to pay, you can put down whatever info (name, address etc) in payment page doesn't matter. It worked for me.
[QUOTE=UnknownSD;7393371]None of them works anymore. You have to use a real valid credit card. Best way is to borrow a friend's credit card who's not on the site himself. If there are two accounts using same credit card, your account will get flagged.[/QUOTE]Damn. This is going to knock off a lot of married guys.
[QUOTE=Murrican;7393936]Damn. This is going to knock off a lot of married guys.[/QUOTE]Plus the site is not what it use to be anymore. On their homepage, it says "Sugar dating and all forms of transactional relationships are strictly prohibited. " If you mention anything transactional on or offline, you're account is flagged and banned immediately. They use AI content filtering and moderators texting you offline. If the person you're chatting with offline is not very responsive and can't meet up or unwilling to meet then you're probably chatting with a moderator.
[QUOTE=UnknownSD;7394667]Plus the site is not what it use to be anymore. On their homepage, it says "Sugar dating and all forms of transactional relationships are strictly prohibited. " If you mention anything transactional on or offline, you're account is flagged and banned immediately. They use AI content filtering and moderators texting you offline. If the person you're chatting with offline is not very responsive and can't meet up or unwilling to meet then you're probably chatting with a moderator.[/QUOTE]I'd like the evidence for some of that. How in the world could the site police offline communication? I presume you mean people messaging not on the site, say by email or text. I have never had mods message me other than via an official email.
[QUOTE=UnknownSD;7394667]Plus the site is not what it use to be anymore. On their homepage, it says "Sugar dating and all forms of transactional relationships are strictly prohibited. " If you mention anything transactional on or offline, you're account is flagged and banned immediately. They use AI content filtering and moderators texting you offline. If the person you're chatting with offline is not very responsive and can't meet up or unwilling to meet then you're probably chatting with a moderator.[/QUOTE]I do not think there is any evidence to support this theory about offline AI / moderators. I violate the Seeking TOS within 5 messages to all of the girls I've messaged, never had a problem.
I am very careful in DMs on the site, that is certainly moderated.
[QUOTE=RanManCan;7394901]I do not think there is any evidence to support this theory about offline AI / moderators. I violate the Seeking TOS within 5 messages to all of the girls I've messaged, never had a problem.
I am very careful in DMs on the site, that is certainly moderated.[/QUOTE]The only possible exposure you have from offline messages is IF the SB reports you and sends screen shots of your messages. Even then, Seeking will not be likely to take any action as a screenshot is not really proof of anything. They can be faked, and even if "real" there is no conclusive proof that a message came from a registered Seeking user, or that it was sent TO a registered user. Still, I am always careful in offsite comms to wait until she actually uses prohibited words or phrases first. Which doesn't take very long.
And, no, in using Seeking for over 12 years, I've never heard of a Seeking staff member pretending to be a SB offsite for any reason. There may be LE doing that, bit not staff.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7394870]I'd like the evidence for some of that. How in the world could the site police offline communication? I presume you mean people messaging not on the site, say by email or text. I have never had mods message me other than via an official email.[/QUOTE]Let me change it to "They probably have. ". It is what I suspect. Not a concrete fact yet. Just be cautious in your messages.
[QUOTE=SugarLifeNow;7391271]Hey everyone, Dave here, new SLN girl in Woodland Hills, her name is Nina and she is 27. She sounds like a pro, but willing to do it all, even anal. Wants a condom for sex, but not for head, and loves 69. Open to 3 sums MFF, and has a friend that will play if she is in town. No fingering, but ok with rough sex, and wants daddy to cum on her tits. High PPM but seemed like she can be talked down some.
[URL]https://sugarlifenow.com/profile/Ninaxdiamond/[/URL][/QUOTE]Not only have I finally joined up here as a member, but I also created a profile on SugarLife! I haven't upgraded yet on the latter, so there isn't much I can do there, but I do plan to pay for at least one month and find out how my interactions will turn out. I'm in the DTLA area so maybe there will be some members who are nearby.
There is a perennial problem for those w / wardens about how to pay for seeking. This is not a proven solution, but one worth trying. I have a profile on What's Your Price. It is a sister to seeking and they use the same payment processor. I just bought credits on there using the card pictured here. I bought it in a CVS store. MasterCard gift card. I did go online first to check it had its balance and added a PIN. I added nothing else, there were no other options. On the WYP site, I put in fake info (the same as always, my 'sugar' identity) for all of the address, etc. It went right through. This would be worthwhile trying on seeking. Please report success.
Hey everyone, Dave here, new SLN chocolate girl in Los Angeles, her name is Candy and she is 35. Nice big rack and an amazing ass. A bit hard to get some information out of her, but she is very submissive and likes to be led and controlled. Loves giving and receiving head the most, especially receiving. Loves every position, but especially doggy. Unable to get any other details, no word on BBFS as well. Wants a public meet first, but then is ok to go straight to a room. PPM started out pretty high, but seemed like she could be talked down to reality.
[URL]https://sugarlifenow.com/profile/CandyGurl/[/URL]
If you want a SB to continue to see you, at your favorable price point, you need to treat her right. I am just getting into a sugar relationship w / a 30's MILF, and we had the sex of a lifetime at our first FC. After she complained about the sugar. I had lunch w / her the other day, dropped $50 plus added in some 'gas money'. But I also had stopped at a grocery and gotten her a bouquet - $8.
We're texting this weekend, she sends a pic of the flowers w / fawning texts. Lots of other good convo too, but seriously, women are suckers for this stuff.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7402522]
We're texting this weekend, she sends a pic of the flowers w / fawning texts. Lots of other good convo too, but seriously, women are suckers for this stuff.[/QUOTE]The ladies usually appreciate flowers and they don't always have to be extravagant. A single rose works as well. It's the gesture that counts. Seems though the younger generation has lost the art of properly courting a woman as a gentleman.
Still working to crack this nut.
Anyone used privacy dot com virtual cards to pay for seeking, with good experience or bad?
Open to DM also if you prefer.
[QUOTE=Murrican;7404113]Still working to crack this nut.
Anyone used privacy dot com virtual cards to pay for seeking, with good experience or bad?
Open to DM also if you prefer.[/QUOTE][URL]privacy.com[/URL] blocks seeking in my experience.
[QUOTE=Grail47;7396243]Not only have I finally joined up here as a member, but I also created a profile on SugarLife! I haven't upgraded yet on the latter, so there isn't much I can do there, but I do plan to pay for at least one month and find out how my interactions will turn out. I'm in the DTLA area so maybe there will be some members who are nearby.[/QUOTE]You may be the first person on this thread to join that site. Please post all the details as it progress's.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;7404676]You may be the first person on this thread to join that site. Please post all the details as it progress's.[/QUOTE]Well, I had a 60-day membership comped to me. The main issue is that there is not a lot of flow on there. Every time you log on, you see the same profiles. I can't tell what order they are presented in, possibly proximity to the location you list on your profile. There are some that seem like they are actual real people, and others that are pretty questionable. Like on a lot of sites, you aren't sure, you can message a profile, often you don't get a response. The interpretation of that is varied. There were a few tipoffs to possible fake profiles. They used very similar values for the income level they were seeking.
I tried to use the site to search POTs in places I plan to travel. I did make contact w / one girl who is real in the southeast, and even have her phone #, but haven't been in her area to test her out.
The guy, Dave, who runs the site sometimes posts profiles on here. One was in my area, and I've been in touch w / her. She is certainly authentic, other people have posted about seeing her from other sites in the past. However, she wasn't the easiest person to message with and set something up. But, she's attractive and seems ready to play. So I think if he posts a profile, it is likely to be a real person.
At this time, I don't see it as competitive to seeking for sure. I am using What's Your Price a fair amount lately, I think it is better than SLN.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;7404676]You may be the first person on this thread to join that site. Please post all the details as it progress's.[/QUOTE]Hilarious! From reading this thread, I would have thought others here had also joined. Well, I guess we'll see if I have any luck!
I have been thinking lately of how to find SBs in the wild, not on websites. I purchased laser-print business cards I am going to put my sugar info on to give any girl I've chatted up.
Today I am waiting for my SB to get to the hotel we're using (she booked it). I see a gal drive in in a brand new Tesla, park, and go into the hotel. She just had a 'look'. I wrote a quick note and put it under her wiper, that it seemed we were there for the same thing, and if she was interested in a SD, she should text me. I just got a text from her, she's Russian, 2 years in the US. We'll see how this goes. Yes, IK Russians have a rep to be quite mercenary. She might be an escort, too.
[QUOTE=SeanTime53;7404356][URL]privacy.com[/URL] blocks seeking in my experience.[/QUOTE]Well. There goes that idea.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7406433]I have been thinking lately of how to find SBs in the wild, not on websites. I purchased laser-print business cards I am going to put my sugar info on to give any girl I've chatted up.
Today I am waiting for my SB to get to the hotel we're using (she booked it). I see a gal drive in in a brand new Tesla, park, and go into the hotel. She just had a 'look'. I wrote a quick note and put it under her wiper, that it seemed we were there for the same thing, and if she was interested in a SD, she should text me. I just got a text from her, she's Russian, 2 years in the US. We'll see how this goes. Yes, IK Russians have a rep to be quite mercenary. She might be an escort, too.[/QUOTE]What did you print on the cards, aside from your contact info?
So I have jumped back on the site because, I need a little SB action in my life. I have to say I have found some diamonds in the rough in the $3-$4 range. However LOL these women try to start at $1 k. I had another woman who is 40 plus, say she gets between $3 k-$10 k per visit. I laughed so hard and asked her why are you on the site if you get that much money now? Of course I was blocked. All these other girls who start at $1 k with a laundry list of no's are such time wasters. I had to explain to one of them, I could fuck a pornstar for 2 plus hours for $1 k. Why would I pay you?! Sorry rant over but damn, if any of you guys are laying $1 k WTF you doing?!
[QUOTE=SaltWaterLbc;7408920]So I have jumped back on the site because, I need a little SB action in my life. I have to say I have found some diamonds in the rough in the $3-$4 range. However LOL these women try to start at $1 k. I had another woman who is 40 plus, say she gets between $3 k-$10 k per visit. I laughed so hard and asked her why are you on the site if you get that much money now? Of course I was blocked. All these other girls who start at $1 k with a laundry list of no's are such time wasters. I had to explain to one of them, I could fuck a pornstar for 2 plus hours for $1 k. Why would I pay you?! Sorry rant over but damn, if any of you guys are laying $1 k WTF you doing?![/QUOTE]Who is paying these prices or are these women delusional and trying to manifest it into reality? I should start a consulting service to get rich no game guys to get decent priced decent women on seeking LOL. It seems guys with more money than sense just throw money at the first woman who checks their boxes. A lot of these women are those trashy and lower class party girls and rich guy with zero taste yacht party fodder.
I'm working on a couple now but they want $1,000 ppm LOL.
[QUOTE=MidnightDabber;7409400]Who is paying these prices or are these women delusional and trying to manifest it into reality? I should start a consulting service to get rich no game guys to get decent priced decent women on seeking LOL. It seems guys with more money than sense just throw money at the first woman who checks their boxes. A lot of these women are those trashy and lower class party girls and rich guy with zero taste yacht party fodder.[/QUOTE]You hit the nail on the head my friend. So many trashy women AND definitely trying to manifest something into reality. I am super blunt with most them. I also tell them I am tested and only play bare. If they aren't okay with it and not under $400, then I tell them to kick rocks. I have 3 so far that have passed and I am going to meet them next week.
Another SD told me today he also had this experience.
I was w / a 30 YO blond spinner SB who loves to BJ and swallow. She was blowing me, and I asked her to give me her phone. I started videoing her. She texted me after our FC session how hot she thought that was, sent me some of the video (not showing her face), and asked for more video in different positions every time after. She even went to a porn site and got a pic of a girl doing camel slides to show me what she wanted to video.
Some girls are going to be reluctant to do video, but when they have control of them, their worries get overcome by their horniness, I guess.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7406433]I have been thinking lately of how to find SBs in the wild, not on websites. I purchased laser-print business cards I am going to put my sugar info on to give any girl I've chatted up.
Today I am waiting for my SB to get to the hotel we're using (she booked it). I see a gal drive in in a brand new Tesla, park, and go into the hotel. She just had a 'look'. I wrote a quick note and put it under her wiper, that it seemed we were there for the same thing, and if she was interested in a SD, she should text me. I just got a text from her, she's Russian, 2 years in the US. We'll see how this goes. Yes, IK Russians have a rep to be quite mercenary. She might be an escort, too.[/QUOTE]Careful bro, you might be on her Tesla's Sentry Mode cam, and if you parked next to or behind her, she's probably got your car's make / model and possibly license plate. I know you're obsesed with opsec, so just be careful.
[QUOTE=Assaholic;7411251]Careful bro, you might be on her Tesla's Sentry Mode cam, and if you parked next to or behind her, she's probably got your car's make / model and possibly license plate. I know you're obsesed with opsec, so just be careful.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the concern. Since I was awaiting going in to FC my SB, my plate was off. And she parked a ways from me. But I appreciate knowing that Teslas have such technology for future reference. It is a bit surprising she can afford the car, but who knows.
[QUOTE=Assaholic;7411251]Careful bro, you might be on her Tesla's Sentry Mode cam, and if you parked next to or behind her, she's probably got your car's make / model and possibly license plate. I know you're obsesed with opsec, so just be careful.[/QUOTE]One thing that is handy about trying to find sugar on the hoof, they aren't steeped in all of the websites and blogs. For example, this gal gave me her phone # that is her real #, I got her full name from SnapChat, and then got online and found out she was an actress in Russia. Legit, not porn. She is just a middle-age MILF, which is fine for this oldster.
[QUOTE=SaltWaterLbc;7408920]So I have jumped back on the site because, I need a little SB action in my life. I have to say I have found some diamonds in the rough in the $3-$4 range. However LOL these women try to start at $1 k. I had another woman who is 40 plus, say she gets between $3 k-$10 k per visit. I laughed so hard and asked her why are you on the site if you get that much money now? Of course I was blocked. All these other girls who start at $1 k with a laundry list of no's are such time wasters. I had to explain to one of them, I could fuck a porn star for 2 plus hours for $1 k. Why would I pay you?! Sorry rant over but damn, if any of you guys are laying $1 k WTF you doing?![/QUOTE]As a guy who has been a low baller since I graduated with an associates in sugaring, I can tell you its all social media fault. Watch tiktok and you will understand why. Teenage girls are being schooled for years before even trying to get their first paid date. They are treating their civi BF's like tricks and being told to ask for money or blow them off. There are also dozens if not hundreds of 304's and SB's giving out info on how to play the game. The # of 18-22 year old Girls has dropped significantly on seeking as these girls are now getting paid by a much younger crowd. And TBH they would rather be getting paid to have sex by a young guy than someone over 50. And if you are older they figure they deserve more. The market has been trashed.
I have always kept my profile hidden from search, that way, I get to look at her profile before she gets to go to mine. I figure this is good opsec. For forever, every time I am on there, there is a message - 'your profile cannot be searched' and I ignored it. Duh, yeah, IK that. Well, I logged in yesterday, and the site took me directly through a process to 'fix' my profile. I was forced to change the profile name to a human first name. And they have a bot that checks that it is one, otherwise they reject it. Both of the large text sections from my years old profile were wiped out, and I was forced to make some other choices for categories I hadn't entered earlier.
Also, I was composing a message, and a bot prevented me from using the word 'arrangement' - I have my standard opener that (of course) used that word, and oddly I could still paste that in. But if you are typing, no more for that verboten word. I mean, I am in favor of keeping blatant escorts off the site and all, but doesn't this seem a little precious.
One other observation about my current membership. There is the perennial dance for those of us UTR about how to pay with prepaid debit cards. Which ones work, etc. I contribute a fair amount to the discussion. Most recently, I've been using Amex gift cards, because they work on the sister site of seeking, WYP, and they have the same payment processor. Well, of course, I spend $150 on a new one, and it doesn't work. Then I am on a trip this weekend. So, a different URL, a different wifi, but the same computer, browser, etc. Just on a lark, I think 'I'll try that card again'. And to my surprise, payment went through. I have zero idea what seeking is up to, if there are times they turn off and on the acceptance of certain forms of payment, and how this could be to their advantage. The lesson is, though, try switching things up a little and don't give up trying these cards.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;7414020]As a guy who has been a low baller since I graduated with an associates in sugaring, I can tell you its all social media fault. Watch tiktok and you will understand why. Teenage girls are being schooled for years before even trying to get their first paid date. They are treating their civi BF's like tricks and being told to ask for money or blow them off. There are also dozens if not hundreds of 304's and SB's giving out info on how to play the game. The # of 18-22 year old Girls has dropped significantly on seeking as these girls are now getting paid by a much younger crowd. And TBH they would rather be getting paid to have sex by a young guy than someone over 50. And if you are older they figure they deserve more. The market has been trashed.[/QUOTE]Wait a minute, didn't you used to work for some of these sugar daddy websites?
A comparable is how California built up decades of cannabis genetics. When money showed up they all sold-out and are broke. I personally feel that you lead the bandwagon to this hell you mastered while using deceptive techniques to create an abomination to which here you now complain.
My personal take.
[QUOTE=Christophe1;7414583]Wait a minute, didn't you used to work for some of these sugar daddy websites?
A comparable is how California built up decades of cannabis genetics. When money showed up they all sold-out and are broke. I personally feel that you lead the bandwagon to this hell you mastered while using deceptive techniques to create an abomination to which here you now complain.
My personal take.[/QUOTE]No. I actually worked for mainstream sites like eharmony for about 5 years. I did work a few days here and there at a couple of SD sites just to see if it was worth my time. But it never was.
My GF is a perfect example of the progression some of these girls take. Met her as a non pro, she then started dancing which evolved to sugaring and finally to online chatting. She makes more chatting online (with her clothes on) than she ever did doing any of her other adult entertainment activities.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7414335]
Also, I was composing a message, and a bot prevented me from using the word 'arrangement' - I have my standard opener that (of course) used that word, and oddly I could still paste that in. But if you are typing, no more for that verboten word. I mean, I am in favor of keeping blatant escorts off the site and all, but doesn't this seem a little precious.[/QUOTE]I believe the # of pros vs UTR or the unicorn non-pros or newbies has shifted strongly to the pro side. And the fees have gone way up. I routinely paid a $ a date for years. Now it's $$-$$$ for the same girls.
[QUOTE=Christophe1;7414583]Wait a minute, didn't you used to work for some of these sugar daddy websites?
A comparable is how California built up decades of cannabis genetics. When money showed up they all sold-out and are broke. I personally feel that you lead the bandwagon to this hell you mastered while using deceptive techniques to create an abomination to which here you now complain.
My personal take.[/QUOTE]Christophe little bit harsh there man with the deceptive techniques you mention. HG, you, me and a couple others guys still kickin around this forum are the OGs of non-pros and sugaring. We've been around for a long ass time on this forum. Only difference is I had a different username back then.
Reading HGs posts over the years and how he negotiated with non-pros. I saw that it was a bit similar to my negotiation skills. Not exact but a bit more than a few similarities. And I would never call it deceptive. I'd say better a breakdown of money provided over time / meets versus only one large sum for one meet. Basics of quantity over quality kind of. That's just being smart and to me not deceptive. Deceptive would be something like the smash & dash. By either negotiating a monthly or weekly allowance to be paid at the end of the month / week. Fucking the girl all week or month and then not showing up to pay at the end of the month/week. Or the fake money in an envelope trick. That's deceptive, fucked up and being a straight thief.
And he's right the market is trash nowadays. For me a sugarbaby should always be 18 to 22, college age girls. They don't necessarily have to be in college but those ages. Maybe 25 to 28 max sometimes if they still have a great body and face. 30 somethings and above have no business being sugarbabies. It's a young honeys game. Non-pros on the other hand are a toss up. And you have to be open-minded on their ages. Because as Forrest said you never know what you're gonna get with non-pro ads. LOL.
So let's be cool with a fellow OG man. HGs been around since the beginning of our non-pro / sugaring shenanigans.
Seeking strictly prohibits any form of compensated companionship, including references to or arrangements involving companionship, dating, or intimacy in exchange for money, gifts, financial support, mentorship, or other valuable benefits. This includes, but is not limited to:
References to "sugar dating," including terms like "sugar daddies," "sugar mamas," or "sugar babies. ".
Mentions of "PPM," "allowance," or specific monetary amounts in relation to companionship or relationships.
Offers or requests for paid dates, financial arrangements, or transactional intimacy.
There is no distinction between this in a profile or this in a message.
I have a pretty 'clean' profile and attitude, but it is VERY easy to get caught up in this stuff, and then you could lose your profile, which is damn hard to resurrect.