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[QUOTE=Donna Hughes]Both stings had a cop as a monger or a prostitute. How do you think they got the info to do an arrest? If you are a monger and go to an AMP, do you think that the State Police have any korean women who could work undercover in an AMP? Even if the police have a korean employee do you think that the AMP would hire her? Most of the women know each other, so not very likely.

The only way that a monger could get arrested in an AMP is if they arrested all the women and the women said they were having sex for money and gave the names of the men (Do you use your real name at the AMP?). The women in the spas never talk to the police. So it is 99. 99% safe for men to go to an AMP. The only arrests that can be made is of the women if LE sends in an undercover and does a sting. If you are at an AMP when a raid happens, you can say you were just getting a massage. Unless LE sees you there with your penis in the hand, mouth, vagina, or anus while you are handing them cash, there is no evidence. I wouldn't even give my name to the police so it wouldn't get to the projo, they have no evidence to arrest so you don't have to give anything to them.

If anyone thinks I am wrong let me know, but the way I see it is the AMPs are the only way to go right now. Answering an ad is too risky.[/QUOTE]


YES, I do think you are wrong! I swear I heard or read somewhere that part of this new law included wording that would allow LE to bust your ass for just being in the premises of a known place of prostitution! So in essence all the PoPo has to do is prove that the particular AMP in questions is known for prostitution, and now you (The John) become part of the raid, the parade and the Projo Lynching! Good luck with that my friend!

So you ask how does the PoPo prove the AMP they are raiding is known for prosititution? By sending OC in as customers and build the evidence. My prayers are with any of you who think the way Donna Hughes thinks here in his comments. Please do not bank on the false security of the AMPS. Trust me, there will be one or more going down very soon and wouldn't it make a much better ProJo article to have a bunch of John's names to print and ruin lives?????

I agree wholeheartedly.

I think the only way you get in trouble is if you answer an ad for someone you don't know. If you stick to the AMP's or with escorts that you know, you should be fine.

You could use someone who is recommended here, but you need to be sure you trust the source.


[QUOTE=Donna Hughes]Both stings had a cop as a monger or a prostitute. How do you think they got the info to do an arrest? If you are a monger and go to an AMP, do you think that the State Police have any korean women who could work undercover in an AMP? Even if the police have a korean employee do you think that the AMP would hire her? Most of the women know each other, so not very likely.

The only way that a monger could get arrested in an AMP is if they arrested all the women and the women said they were having sex for money and gave the names of the men (Do you use your real name at the AMP?). The women in the spas never talk to the police. So it is 99. 99% safe for men to go to an AMP. The only arrests that can be made is of the women if LE sends in an undercover and does a sting. If you are at an AMP when a raid happens, you can say you were just getting a massage. Unless LE sees you there with your penis in the hand, mouth, vagina, or anus while you are handing them cash, there is no evidence. I wouldn't even give my name to the police so it wouldn't get to the projo, they have no evidence to arrest so you don't have to give anything to them.

If anyone thinks I am wrong let me know, but the way I see it is the AMPs are the only way to go right now. Answering an ad is too risky.[/QUOTE]

I don't know the language of your new law, but there is a similar concept in other states.

Here in Virginia we are blessed with the crime of "Frequenting a Baudy Place". Frequenting can be one time. They don't have to prove that YOU knew it was a "baudy place". So, basically, if someone else decides it's a baudy place and you are there then you are guilty.


[QUOTE=Muffythediver]YES, I do think you are wrong! I swear I heard or read somewhere that part of this new law included wording that would allow LE to bust your ass for just being in the premises of a known place of prostitution! So in essence all the PoPo has to do is prove that the particular AMP in questions is known for prostitution, and now you (The John) become part of the raid, the parade and the Projo Lynching! Good luck with that my friend!

So you ask how does the PoPo prove the AMP they are raiding is known for prosititution? By sending OC in as customers and build the evidence. My prayers are with any of you who think the way Donna Hughes thinks here in his comments. Please do not bank on the false security of the AMPS. Trust me, there will be one or more going down very soon and wouldn't it make a much better ProJo article to have a bunch of John's names to print and ruin lives?????[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ycwinva]I don't know the language of your new law, but there is a similar concept in other states.

Here in Virginia we are blessed with the crime of "Frequenting a Baudy Place". Frequenting can be one time. They don't have to prove that YOU knew it was a "baudy place". So, basically, if someone else decides it's a baudy place and you are there then you are guilty.[/QUOTE]

Read the Rhode Island law:
[url]http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/BillText09/HouseText09/H5044B.pdf[/url]

As has been pointed out here before, there is no language equal to "Frequenting a Baudy Place". From a lawyer member of this forum:
[QUOTE]A police officer can arrest you on "suspicion," and when a police officer says you're under arrest, don't add a resisting or interfering with a police officer charge. Be polite, respectful, but silent.

The law does not make being present in a known prostitution venue a crime, so unless they catch you in the act, so to speak, you should not be charged.[/QUOTE]
Think about it. If there were a "baudy" law then the strip clubs in RI would have shut down overnight given what was supposedly happening in the clubs as nobody would/could enter as it would mean immediate arrest. Now, do I just run out and visit RI the way I used to before Nov. 3 - no I don't. Like everybody else, I don't want my name in the papers as a "suspect" as even when I'm proven innocent, the paper never publishes that. Now, are the spas safe? - apparently safer than CL for now but TBH, I'm a little surprised that the RISP chose this route instead of its first bust being a highly publicized raid of a spa. Mind you, it could just be a waiting game. We all know the spas are hurting due to a dramatic decline in business and it is probably only a matter of time before some of them just can't stay open any longer. So maybe LE is just letting this happen and then will go "clean out" the survivors. In the meantime, they have a report to file in January so they have to stage these stupid CL stings to look important.
So, bottom line is that the spas are a gamble, a risk some are obviously willing to take (my hat is off to you) but I think that even though you have to be caught in the act, you will still be in for a major hassle if, indeed, there is a raid and you are there.

Read the projo today, the strip clubs had alot to say about the forming of the law.
Check out the lawyer Goldberg who lobbied for the language so the strip clubs would not be effected:

[url]http://www.projo.com/news/content/sexlobby_12-13-09_5RGP9LJ_v3.20a4931.html[/url]

Also the effect on business.

[url]http://www.projo.com/news/content/stripclub_12-13-09_5RGP9LS_v3.20a5aa6.html[/url]

Strip clubs are big business in RI, even with a prostitution law. They are being effected right now by mongers being afraid of lurking reporters, but the money in these places, they will not disappear. The AMPS should have done some lobbying too, but it is too late.

This is an article from the Projo and is very interesting detailed the economic impact of the new law. Sounds like it is having some significantly unintended consequences. Also the comments on the article wherein the paper released the names of the people arrested in the first sting are very telling. You guys can read them for yourselves, but they are overwhelmingly negative to both the RISP and the paper. I will also post this in the strip club forum.

Jack

[url]http://www.projo.com/news/content/strip_clubs_defense_12-13-09_UJGNFH6_v121.353f756.html[/url]

I seem to recall that in Virginia, sex is only legal between a man and a woman, married (to each other), indoors, at night, missionary, with the blinds closed, and with her mother's permission. Of course, when some of those laws were passed, they had a special underclass available for exploitation in that part of the world.

BTW it's spelled "bawdy", and I think MA has a similar law. Doesn't RI also have a law on the books against operating (not frequenting!) a "bawdy house"?

[QUOTE=Ycwinva]I don't know the language of your new law, but there is a similar concept in other states.

Here in Virginia we are blessed with the crime of "Frequenting a Baudy Place". Frequenting can be one time. They don't have to prove that YOU knew it was a "baudy place". So, basically, if someone else decides it's a baudy place and you are there then you are guilty.[/QUOTE]

I think if you are going to do anything in RI the mp's are your best bet. Don't get me wrong you can get busted there also. Like DH said unless they bust the whole place and catch you in the act you have a better chance that picking up a sw because you don't know who is watching even if you know the sw and an escort might be a sting.

My problem is I am just scared. I went to foxwoods yesterday and won 5.00. Everytime I win I stop on my way back to Boston at one spa or main st. This time I was scared after reading earlier about the pat the patriot sting and kept driving. And nothing in Boston comes close to RI and I want to go but I can't get the nerve.

I have a feeling that they will do a sting soon. And you don't want to be there when it happens. Even if they don't put you name in the paper & your found not guilty in court it's alot of bull sht to go through just for a nut.

[QUOTE=Newday53]Read the Rhode Island law:

[url]http://www.Rilin. State. Ri. Us/BillText09/HouseText09/H5044B. Pdf[/url]

As has been pointed out here before, there is no language equal to "Frequenting a Baudy Place". From a lawyer member of this forum:

Think about it. If there were a "baudy" law then the strip clubs in RI would have shut down overnight given what was supposedly happening in the clubs as nobody would/could enter as it would mean immediate arrest. Now, do I just run out and visit RI the way I used to before Nov. 3. No I don't. Like everybody else, I don't want my name in the papers as a "suspect" as even when I'm proven innocent, the paper never publishes that. Now, are the spas safe?. Apparently safer than CL for now but TBH, I'm a little surprised that the RISP chose this route instead of its first bust being a highly publicized raid of a spa. Mind you, it could just be a waiting game. We all know the spas are hurting due to a dramatic decline in business and it is probably only a matter of time before some of them just can't stay open any longer. So maybe LE is just letting this happen and then will go "clean out" the survivors. In the meantime, they have a report to file in January so they have to stage these stupid CL stings to look important.

So, bottom line is that the spas are a gamble, a risk some are obviously willing to take (my hat is off to you) but I think that even though you have to be caught in the act, you will still be in for a major hassle if, indeed, there is a raid and you are there.[/QUOTE]The recent news of this sting will just "ice" many until "something" else happens. Namely the first AMP bust. It is a catch 22. You dam'd if you do and if you don't. On the other hand many will think if I don't at least I know I won't get nailed by the fuzz for the whole world to know.

Has anyone had a recent visit with Mrs Robinson they'd like to share. I know she's older. I'm thinking of taking the plunge. Please PM details. Thanks
-BL

Short report,

First visit ever to Bali, been months since I've sen the inside of an RI AMP. Drew Pepsi, tall slender, 29 yo K girl, wearing a bikini, big really firm C size store boughts, very long hair, nice make-up, painted eye lashes...generally stunning. 5 minute sauna, complete TS with repeated scrubbing of my dirtiest parts. Massage, first she drops the bikini, climbs on my back, gives a few dozen well placed pushes here and there, a little rubbing, next thing I know she dragging her nips and hair along my back followed soon by a "near" rim job, taint licking...you get the picture. I roll over. light kissing, light licks on and all around the flag pole, 69, cover on and we are off. Tight, slippery and welcoming, several key and favorite positions and we are done. She has nips almost the same size as the my little finger from the last nuckle on, OMG. About 50 minutes total, including waiting. Money was never mentioned, ever. I offered $60 after I undressed and left a common and apparently acceptable tip after I got dressed. Want to know anything more send a PM. Saw at least 4 other girls, all shorter, generally young, generally pretty, stroll by the sauna which has a beveled/leaded glass door that you can kinda sorta see out through, barely! One was at least a double D that looked real, don't see that very often.

ARG

[QUOTE=AsianLPGAfan]The recent news of this sting will just "ice" many until "something" else happens. Namely the first AMP bust. It is a catch 22. You dam'd if you do and if you don't. On the other hand many will think if I don't at least I know I won't get nailed by the fuzz for the whole world to know.[/QUOTE]

Very good point - I'm waiting for the first AMP bust before I venture out to an AMP in Providence.

Although the activities are curtailed, I think the strip clubs are the safest right now. Unless they drop in through the ceiling and find a dancer with your dick in her mouth, it's going to be tough to catch any customers. After all, they're licensed by the state to serve alcohol and provide "entertainment", so they can't use the blanket charge of being in a "baudy" (sic, as someone pointed out here, it's bawdy) house.

[QUOTE=ARegularGuy]Short report,

First visit ever to Bali, been months since I've sen the inside of an RI AMP. Drew Pepsi, tall slender, 29 yo K girl, wearing a bikini, big really firm C size store boughts, very long hair, nice make-up, painted eye lashes...generally stunning. 5 minute sauna, complete TS with repeated scrubbing of my dirtiest parts. Massage, first she drops the bikini, climbs on my back, gives a few dozen well placed pushes here and there, a little rubbing, next thing I know she dragging her nips and hair along my back followed soon by a "near" rim job, taint licking...you get the picture. I roll over. light kissing, light licks on and all around the flag pole, 69, cover on and we are off. Tight, slippery and welcoming, several key and favorite positions and we are done. She has nips almost the same size as the my little finger from the last nuckle on, OMG. About 50 minutes total, including waiting. Money was never mentioned, ever. I offered $60 after I undressed and left a common and apparently acceptable tip after I got dressed. Want to know anything more send a PM. Saw at least 4 other girls, all shorter, generally young, generally pretty, stroll by the sauna which has a beveled/leaded glass door that you can kinda sorta see out through, barely! One was at least a double D that looked real, don't see that very often.

ARG[/QUOTE]



Thanks for the post and the " detailed" info.
I have a nice vision of your visit and am getting close to finally venturing back out!

Note the recent raids were Rhode Island State Police Action.

It is not certain, but State Police are less likely to be out and conducting investigations in Providence. (Too likely to step on some brother officer's friends). State Police tend to stay away from larger cities that have their own detective squads so, I suspect, Providence will be off the State Police radar for the present.

Additionally, 3 Providence detectives were shot and injured in the line of duty today. That means their effective presence is reduced by at least 30%, and they will be distracted for the foreseeable future reigning down terror on anyone remotely connected to the shooting of those detectives.

I would suggest that Providence will not be a hot bed of LEO activity around the hobby for at least the next 3-6 months.

Be good.

[QUOTE=Bigrig28]Note the recent raids were Rhode Island State Police Action.

It is not certain, but State Police are less likely to be out and conducting investigations in Providence. (Too likely to step on some brother officer's friends). State Police tend to stay away from larger cities that have their own detective squads so, I suspect, Providence will be off the State Police radar for the present.

Additionally, 3 Providence detectives were shot and injured in the line of duty today. That means their effective presence is reduced by at least 30%, and they will be distracted for the foreseeable future reigning down terror on anyone remotely connected to the shooting of those detectives.

I would suggest that Providence will not be a hot bed of LEO activity around the hobby for at least the next 3-6 months.

Be good.[/QUOTE]Sorry to read about 3 cops getting shot during a raid of a drug dealer. The story tells you where there are more public safety concerns.

Then again if I were a cop I probably wouldn't get shot if "Chief O' Hara" asks me to bust an AMP vs raid a drug dealers house ,but that is not the obvious issue here.

Can't you sleep better knowing the streets are safer after "Pat" and Others' got busted from that recent sting while there are those like that "cancer" out there selling drugs out of his ill handicapped mom's home.