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[QUOTE=TexLonghorn;5079525]The math works out if it is 5 hrs / day at $600/ hr = $1,095,000. However, you are not taking into account days when she is having her period, so take out about 5 days per month. If you are going bare, take out an additional 7 days per month because she will be fertile and I doubt you want to get her pregnant. You are now down to 221 days per year. You would be paying her $600/ hr to have her for 8 hrs a day for 221 days out of the year. I doubt she will let you pound her for that many hours a day. You need to take into account sleep, eating, bathroom breaks, your time to do your job to pay for this, etc. Unless she is doing the cooking, cleaning, laundry, and other chores.[/QUOTE]Well there's no period birth control if she's into that but I sort of am taking that into account since if you're into period sex that shouldn't stop you LOL even if ya can't fuck because she doesn't want to you can still do anal or the other sex acts or other escort things if you need to force your hand.
When you're doing a 6 hour date you aren't fucking the whole 6 hours and unless you on some pills or insanely high libido it's a challenge in itself to be fucking that much.
The girl's site says that it's unlimited overnight so it's to assume you there with her so that's already accounted for. Says it's 6 hours of sleep. So that leaves 6 hours for whatever else.
The overnight for her is 12 hours. So say that your overnight starts at 8 PM, that's 8 AM you got to bounce to get to work and you got until 8 PM to do it again.
So assuming that you're staying the night with her, everything else is kind of just filler. No one counts eating / bathroom breaks LOL so if she's cooking for you or whatever expense you want to tackle into that.
All facts considered, another expense is notable days. Unless the dude makes it a priority that it's strictly NSA so he doesn't need to put anything else in except his dick. One would assume the girl wants special occasions such as birthdays covered too.
Goes without saying if you want a lasting relationship even if it's transactional that's a solid given to do and if you've got the million to dump on her it's a drop in the bucket anyway.
I used to do long dates and the girls usually have a mandatory 'social' requirement which forces you to do an outside activity for 1 of the hours you paid for which bumps up the cost in the end anyway.
So if she's getting a guaranteed million fucking the one dude instead of putting in extra effort for finding others is a no brainer for her especially if she wants him to stay. That's one way to hook a whale. LOL.
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[QUOTE=AbuSaho;5079473]The focus of highest price I saw wasn't on the $700 hour. It was the million for one year. My post was directed at those complaining about the price. There are women out there that charge way more. Obviously our side hope these women keep the price down but all it probably takes is one person a week at those higher rates rate to justify keeping the rate. And for someone like the million escort. All it takes is one person giving her the 400k/600k/1 million and she probably doesn't have to work again for at least a year. Even if we all on USASG NY section boycott the women with those high rates they can probably still find that one person a week to justify that rate.
I'd say while it is cliche in their eyes. If the rate is too high don't tell them or respond after. I understand some think it time to negotiate or like you said tell them it too much but we have to remember they have options. We not only one contacting them. They might have regulars who already pay them their rate and tip. So it can be used against you to either blacklist you as cheap. Or they give you bad service and their excuse would be you pay my rate next time. Maybe you can negotiate down $10-50 no issue. But if they asking $400/short stay and you most you can/want is $150 for a ss you best off keeping quiet and finding someone closer to your price or get blocked/blacklisted.
On places like reddit/twitter/IG/FB there are escorts that talk about clients and the game. I will give a classic tweet that is relevant. There is a provider who thinks they should all collude and make 300 the minimum.
https://twitter.com/LucyKDenver/status/1228829871796678657[/QUOTE]Then that's good for her if she can hook that one client. That's how it is. The girls set their prices based on who is willing to pay it. That's why for certain girls you can negotiate down to reasonable rates. Problem is you got girls doing a minimum rate and offering shit service which is what happens on Eros all the fucking time.
Average minimum there is 400-600 for a decent girl and every time I've caught one it's usually with a sub par performance or offering.
That's what's been happening in the Brooklyn SW side. Car dates are supposed to be comparable due to risk but when a girl is asking 80-100 for some action in your own damn car? That's bullshit because you can get more for your money elsewhere.
Also just because a girl prices herself at 600, it's not like there's plenty of dudes willing to shell that out.
It's fucking sad when I know a girl is a SW and trying to ask for 600/ hr when she's in the supermarket holding up the line because she doesn't have enough money to pay for whatever the fuck she was buying.
So it isn't that they don't have options, everyone has options but certain girls especially if you've gone and see her already and she's not up to par, she needs to be knocked down a few pegs with a reality check.
Just like the girl I was talking about, yeah probably some white dude with an Asian fetish will pay that 1200 rate or 900 rate but in reality she's not special that anyone else can offer.
You've also got girls who run double profiles one more expensive than the other. I forgot which girl did that or if it was talked about here.
And well if they're asking 400/ hr and you're doing a 120 ss then she's in the right already, you can't complain about discounted services to management.
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[QUOTE=SpaspaHunter;5080026]Then that's good for her if she can hook that one client. That's how it is. The girls set their prices based on who is willing to pay it. That's why for certain girls you can negotiate down to reasonable rates. Problem is you got girls doing a minimum rate and offering shit service which is what happens on Eros all the fucking time.
Average minimum there is 400-600 for a decent girl and every time I've caught one it's usually with a sub par performance or offering.
That's what's been happening in the Brooklyn SW side. Car dates are supposed to be comparable due to risk but when a girl is asking 80-100 for some action in your own damn car? That's bullshit because you can get more for your money elsewhere.
Also just because a girl prices herself at 600, it's not like there's plenty of dudes willing to shell that out.
It's fucking sad when I know a girl is a SW and trying to ask for 600/ hr when she's in the supermarket holding up the line because she doesn't have enough money to pay for whatever the fuck she was buying.
So it isn't that they don't have options, everyone has options but certain girls especially if you've gone and see her already and she's not up to par, she needs to be knocked down a few pegs with a reality check.
Just like the girl I was talking about, yeah probably some white dude with an Asian fetish will pay that 1200 rate or 900 rate but in reality she's not special that anyone else can offer.
You've also got girls who run double profiles one more expensive than the other. I forgot which girl did that or if it was talked about here.
And well if they're asking 400/ hr and you're doing a 120 ss then she's in the right already, you can't complain about discounted services to management.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with you a lot of the higher priced women. I will define that as 500 and up do give subpar service. But Minimum wage is going to be $15 December 31. So if you somehow have a job that 600 minus taxes a week. Maybe we get another stimulus check and boosted UI again in February. Minimum wage increase is guaranteed the other two is 50/50. If they happen that is going to be a lot of disposable income out there.
What can we do? I'm thinking on an individual level maybe you can get one girl to lower her rate but we can't fight the system to get them all to lower rates. Too many men with disposable income out there. The higher their rates the more margin of error. Like if their minimum is $1,000 how many clients over 30 days to cover rent/ food/bills. I'm thinking they just need 2-4 Depending on where they live in NYC. While a lot of men would avoid 1k price point they don't need many to break even. The lower rate lets say $100-$200 they'd need to see way more people. But I think the lower the rates it opposite of a 1k women. Those that charge less get a wider pool of men to pick from. Both systems have different reasons why they wouldn't change price if they feel it what they worth.
My suggestion and maybe I'm wrong is to just look for someone in your price range rather than trying to change them. A perfect example being what this section is BBFS. If the girl doesn't offer it right away it might not be best to force it.
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[QUOTE=AbuSaho;5080508]I totally agree with you a lot of the higher priced women. I will define that as 500 and up do give subpar service. But Minimum wage is going to be $15 December 31. So if you somehow have a job that 600 minus taxes a week. Maybe we get another stimulus check and boosted UI again in February. Minimum wage increase is guaranteed the other two is 50/50. If they happen that is going to be a lot of disposable income out there.
What can we do? I'm thinking on an individual level maybe you can get one girl to lower her rate but we can't fight the system to get them all to lower rates. Too many men with disposable income out there. The higher their rates the more margin of error. Like if their minimum is $1,000 how many clients over 30 days to cover rent/ food/bills. I'm thinking they just need 2-4 Depending on where they live in NYC. While a lot of men would avoid 1k price point they don't need many to break even. The lower rate lets say $100-$200 they'd need to see way more people. But I think the lower the rates it opposite of a 1k women. Those that charge less get a wider pool of men to pick from. Both systems have different reasons why they wouldn't change price if they feel it what they worth.
My suggestion and maybe I'm wrong is to just look for someone in your price range rather than trying to change them. A perfect example being what this section is BBFS. If the girl doesn't offer it right away it might not be best to force it.[/QUOTE]From my experience a lot of the better performances will come in the $400 and up range but at the same time there are a lot of high priced girls who think they deserve it for their looks, perform poorly and rush you out. So I'm very picky and definitely scour reviews if I'm going to pay more than about 250 for anyone. The first time I paid $400 I got both BBFS and the best sex I've ever had, pro or civilian, so she left my expectations high. That's why boards like this are a huge blessing to weed out the bad ones.
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[QUOTE=AbuSaho;5080508]I totally agree with you a lot of the higher priced women. I will define that as 500 and up do give subpar service. But Minimum wage is going to be $15 December 31. So if you somehow have a job that 600 minus taxes a week. Maybe we get another stimulus check and boosted UI again in February. Minimum wage increase is guaranteed the other two is 50/50. If they happen that is going to be a lot of disposable income out there.
What can we do? I'm thinking on an individual level maybe you can get one girl to lower her rate but we can't fight the system to get them all to lower rates. Too many men with disposable income out there. The higher their rates the more margin of error. Like if their minimum is $1,000 how many clients over 30 days to cover rent/ food/bills. I'm thinking they just need 2-4 Depending on where they live in NYC. While a lot of men would avoid 1k price point they don't need many to break even. The lower rate lets say $100-$200 they'd need to see way more people. But I think the lower the rates it opposite of a 1k women. Those that charge less get a wider pool of men to pick from. Both systems have different reasons why they wouldn't change price if they feel it what they worth.
My suggestion and maybe I'm wrong is to just look for someone in your price range rather than trying to change them. A perfect example being what this section is BBFS. If the girl doesn't offer it right away it might not be best to force it.[/QUOTE]The problem IMO isn't the price but the amount of talent available. There is no *minimum rate* that can be standardized. That rate is set by themselves based on who else is in their level or what they think they worth.
There's only a finite amount of dudes that will book at that though. The ones charging at those insane prices either already have a client based or worse case scenario, pretending they're worth that much when they not.
It's like the fuckhead landlords that won't rent out a space for less than a certain amount because they don't want to reduce the value of their property when they're operating at a loss by not renting it at all.
Everyone should be seeing girls within their budget no doubt. The main issue with that is where their quality is supposed to be at for the price we're paying. If you're paying $700+ and it's covered, there's something really fucking wrong about that at least in my opinion.
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[QUOTE=BrooklynMatt;5080587]From my experience a lot of the better performances will come in the $400 and up range but at the same time there are a lot of high priced girls who think they deserve it for their looks, perform poorly and rush you out. So I'm very picky and definitely scour reviews if I'm going to pay more than about 250 for anyone. The first time I paid $400 I got both BBFS and the best sex I've ever had, pro or civilian, so she left my expectations high. That's why boards like this are a huge blessing to weed out the bad ones.[/QUOTE]Anything over 250 or 300 for BBFS is just wasting money no chick is worth more than that unless you trying to marry her LOL.
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[QUOTE=SpaspaHunter;5080666]The problem IMO isn't the price but the amount of talent available. There is no *minimum rate* that can be standardized. That rate is set by themselves based on who else is in their level or what they think they worth.
There's only a finite amount of dudes that will book at that though. The ones charging at those insane prices either already have a client based or worse case scenario, pretending they're worth that much when they not.
It's like the fuckhead landlords that won't rent out a space for less than a certain amount because they don't want to reduce the value of their property when they're operating at a loss by not renting it at all.
Everyone should be seeing girls within their budget no doubt. The main issue with that is where their quality is supposed to be at for the price we're paying. If you're paying $700+ and it's covered, there's something really fucking wrong about that at least in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Great example with the landlords. The end result of that though has been rent around the city has been going down. Maybe the same will happen with the escort prices.
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[QUOTE=OmegaMan45;5081158]Anything over 250 or 300 for BBFS is just wasting money no chick is worth more than that unless you trying to marry her LOL.[/QUOTE]Aside from the grannies at 98 mott I do not where you get super cheap bargain bare.
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[QUOTE=Masoko23;5082055]Aside from the grannies at 98 mott I do not where you get super cheap bargain bare.[/QUOTE]You can't. Just mongers who love to brag on here.
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[QUOTE=OkTotti;5082297]You can't. Just mongers who love to brag on here.[/QUOTE]Exactly. You notice all and I do mean all of them will say hot, young BB for 250 but not a single one of them will actually give info on providers who does that. I'll always turn into a "Message me" and it'll be a shit show of back and forth with them asking for your list first. It's the new way of asking for info without sharing anything.
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[QUOTE=BBPornoGeek;5082531]Exactly. You notice all and I do mean all of them will say hot, young BB for 250 but not a single one of them will actually give info on providers who does that. I'll always turn into a "Message me" and it'll be a shit show of back and forth with them asking for your list first. It's the new way of asking for info without sharing anything.[/QUOTE]Sure seems that way. Besides a couple of Asian places we probably all know about the only women I'm aware of offering it for that sort of rate are women I would not go bare with.
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[QUOTE=BBPornoGeek;5082531]Exactly. You notice all and I do mean all of them will say hot, young BB for 250 but not a single one of them will actually give info on providers who does that. I'll always turn into a "Message me" and it'll be a shit show of back and forth with them asking for your list first. It's the new way of asking for info without sharing anything.[/QUOTE]Thats a shame. I see this on the Queens section too with the CDPs. I mainly see providers in the Bronx area and review them there or I'd help to change the narrative of reviews in this section. I've actually seen quite a few BBFS friendly providers in Bronx for under 250 even did a review on one earlier today. Will post it below ad titled Slim Goodie she offers BBFS SS /80 BBFS HH /100. But the service is poor she rushes and there is a roommate outside the bedroom door while you fuck her. She wasn't hot too me.
[URL]https://sumosear.ch/phone/347-467-6867[/URL]
I saw another provider named Alexa for BBFS under 250 in Bronx like 6 weeks ago everything went well. No rush was young and I found her attractive but she moved to the north east area and now does outcall across CT / RI / MA. And I have no idea if she will ever visit NY again.
[URL]https://sumosear.ch/images/webpage/-/34257161[/URL]
The point I'm trying to make is that seeing a woman for BBFS under 250 is out there and I provided examples. Some of them are good some are bad. I know of them in all 5 boroughs as I do travel around but I feel posting other boroughs ads like I did for Bronx might be off topic. Not that I dont want to share Brooklyn/Queens/SI women. So for Manhattan section the only one I have seen personally and had a good time with that does BBFS for under 250 is one named Kelly/Sexi Roxi.
[URL]https://megapersonals.eu/public/post_detail/10492969[/URL]
I think some keep the BBFS info to themselves since they feel if they put out a provider does BBFS. She might stop it all together or raise the price. It can be a YMMV thing too. Like the providers thinks your hot or you built up enough trust on first meeting or on repeats that she became alright with you fucking her raw but might not feel the same with everyone. But yea it exists.
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[QUOTE=AbuSaho;5083083]Thats a shame. I see this on the Queens section too with the CDPs. I mainly see providers in the Bronx area and review them there or I'd help to change the narrative of reviews in this section. I've actually seen quite a few BBFS friendly providers in Bronx for under 250 even did a review on one earlier today. Will post it below ad titled Slim Goodie she offers BBFS SS /80 BBFS HH /100. But the service is poor she rushes and there is a roommate outside the bedroom door while you fuck her. She wasn't hot too me.
[URL]https://sumosear.ch/phone/347-467-6867[/URL]
I saw another provider named Alexa for BBFS under 250 in Bronx like 6 weeks ago everything went well. No rush was young and I found her attractive but she moved to the north east area and now does outcall across CT / RI / MA. And I have no idea if she will ever visit NY again.
[URL]https://sumosear.ch/images/webpage/-/34257161[/URL]
The point I'm trying to make is that seeing a woman for BBFS under 250 is out there and I provided examples. Some of them are good some are bad. I know of them in all 5 boroughs as I do travel around but I feel posting other boroughs ads like I did for Bronx might be off topic. Not that I dont want to share Brooklyn/Queens/SI women. So for Manhattan section the only one I have seen personally and had a good time with that does BBFS for under 250 is one named Kelly/Sexi Roxi.
[URL]https://megapersonals.eu/public/post_detail/10492969[/URL]
I think some keep the BBFS info to themselves since they feel if they put out a provider does BBFS. She might stop it all together or raise the price. It can be a YMMV thing too. Like the providers thinks your hot or you built up enough trust on first meeting or on repeats that she became alright with you fucking her raw but might not feel the same with everyone. But yea it exists.[/QUOTE]I hate when they're aholes with low post counts doing it.
I really only respond to people who have some type of contribution to the boards or come off as legit.
Problem with the contacts now is I can bet that most of the girls contacts are going to be useless because they stopped working during this shitstorm. One of my favorite girls that tour here frequently hasn't surfaced since it went down. The ones that has kids are too busy locked down with them as well.
Great on you for sharing on those. I only head out to the Bronx like twice a year. Roxi / Kelly is pretty well known, I commented on her too but again if you saw the dude's screenshot 5 pages back, a lot of it is how you spit your game at these girls.
He got her down to 85 for a ss bb. Just got to know the girls you hitting up.
The girls you hitting up in the bronx are nothing like the manhattan girls that want 300++ Bronx you got the ghetto chicks so that's easier to get bb there than anywhere else. Also a higher LE risk and rob chance.
All about the market in the area. That's why the Brooklyn track got fucked up rates because dudes coming there willing to drop 80-100 for head like the fuck. You better off getting that elsewhere.
Shit even worse when they snitch on us here. As for bb specifically that shit is always YMMV and if your game on point. As fucked as it seems girls aren't just going to let dip in raw unless 2 things happen, they need money like they on crack or you throwing mad bank at them like you don't care. That's also if you passed the race check.
If I remember it was this one time I had in the bronx, mediocre everything but good doggy action from this white girl that told me she only lets black dudes nut in her.
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[QUOTE=SpaspaHunter;5083189]I hate when they're aholes with low post counts doing it.
I really only respond to people who have some type of contribution to the boards or come off as legit.
Problem with the contacts now is I can bet that most of the girls contacts are going to be useless because they stopped working during this shitstorm. One of my favorite girls that tour here frequently hasn't surfaced since it went down. The ones that has kids are too busy locked down with them as well.
Great on you for sharing on those. I only head out to the Bronx like twice a year. Roxi / Kelly is pretty well known, I commented on her too but again if you saw the dude's screenshot 5 pages back, a lot of it is how you spit your game at these girls.
He got her down to 85 for a ss bb. Just got to know the girls you hitting up.
The girls you hitting up in the bronx are nothing like the manhattan girls that want 300++ Bronx you got the ghetto chicks so that's easier to get bb there than anywhere else. Also a higher LE risk and rob chance.
All about the market in the area. That's why the Brooklyn track got fucked up rates because dudes coming there willing to drop 80-100 for head like the fuck. You better off getting that elsewhere.
Shit even worse when they snitch on us here. As for bb specifically that shit is always YMMV and if your game on point. As fucked as it seems girls aren't just going to let dip in raw unless 2 things happen, they need money like they on crack or you throwing mad bank at them like you don't care. That's also if you passed the race check.
If I remember it was this one time I had in the bronx, mediocre everything but good doggy action from this white girl that told me she only lets black dudes nut in her.[/QUOTE]YMMV situations for BBFS I've had were. I'm under 30. And what helped me get BBFS a couple times was just that being / looking young. Quite a few providers I seen seem to allude their client base might be something like 40+ range. When they say stuff to me like finally someone my age. There was another situation where a provider let me do BB since I had seen her friend BB. They swapped notes and thanks to treating her friend well she let me do BB.
Yea covid fucked up my contacts list so bad. I had built up 50 women I could trust and see around the NYC area by March 1st of this year. 3 weeks later after NYC shut it was down to 2 who would still respond regularly but family / kids being home prevented them from wanting to meet. The others all moved / quit. So I had to start over again rebuilding my contacts. And I'm honestly nowhere close to the pre-pandemic level. Every time I find a 9/10 or 10/10 in terms of service she moves. And I dealt with so many cash and dash and rushed service. That stuff happened pre-covid but it happening way more. Like those women want the cash but don't want to do the full work for it.
8 months later I only have 5 women I can trust will be a good experience if we met and im able to contact anytime. But as I mentioned one of them moved and only does outcall in New England area. The hobby just isn't that fun as it was pre-pandemic. I hope things get better but right now the quality and quantity dropped.
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Penelope?
Does anyone know if she's bb friendly:
[URL]https://explorewithpenny.online/[/URL]
Penelope / Penny. I was trying to see her when Covid hit and I'm seeing her later this week. Has great reviews elsewhere so I'm sure she'll be fun regardless but one can always hope.
