Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;3588708]It generally doesn't work very well when you AMP-ssume that everyone is familiar with the place you're posting about. Providing a link to the ad erases any confusion.

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/special-40-60-80-new-funny-staffs-a-full-bodyrub-amazing-asian-massage/34242198[/URL]

It can also cause problems when you AMP-ssume that the level of service you received from one masseuse will hold true with other providers at that establishment. As many hobbyists can attest, there can be quite a variation among AMP girls within the same spa. So, without a name, there's no way to know who to ask or look for. And "pretty, mid-20's" is probably too generic a description to be of much help.[/QUOTE]For your information the title had the name, the body of the report mentioned the name but was evidently cut from the report by admin before publishing. Obviously there are differences in places and differences in individual masseuse and their talents. One thing I have noticed is why all the codes in reviews if you want name address and complete description, guess you would like your hand held and driven too.

Here is the recent link. It may not come up using the BP word search because the title is in the pictures rather than in the body (text) of the ad. This place has been reviewed on this forum previously.

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/special-40-60-80-new-funny-staffs-a-full-bodyrub-amazing-asian-massage/34242318[/URL]

[QUOTE=CoolWays;3589413]For your information the title had the name, the body of the report mentioned the name but was evidently cut from the report by admin before publishing. Obviously there are differences in places and differences in individual masseuse and their talents. One thing I have noticed is why all the codes in reviews if you want name address and complete description, guess you would like your hand held and driven too.[/QUOTE]Since there are literally thousands of posts in this forum containing a link to the ad of the establishment being recommended, and the first (stage, not real) name of the girl being recommended, I can't imagine what you posted that would have caused a redaction by Admin.

Also, when Admin does make a redaction, they usually make a notation in the post as to what was redacted, and why. And that makes sense since it's helpful in educating the forum about important guidelines. Your post lacks any indicators of redaction.

And posting in "code" is totally for wimps. There's hardly anything posted on this forum that isn't already known by LE. So a post that says "Candy" gives a HE or BJ at XYZ Spa, and that also includes the ad link (publicly available on BP or CL) isn't likely to trigger a lights-and-siren response.

So, while I'm skeptical of your redaction claim, either way the end result was so generic as to be of minimal use. And as far as neeeding my hand held, looking back on your 20-something posts it's quite remarkable to see how many of them are questions rather than contributions of meaningful, actionable information. I'm perfectly open to constructive criticism but it's got to come from someone with enough board cred to back it up.

[QUOTE=CoolWays;3587776]After a hard day and frustration I visited this place hoping for small dream but really a relaxing hour would have been good. To my surprise I was greet with a very pretty lady I'd guess mid 20's and lead to the room. In short I had a wonderful dream and everything but the total package. Lots of tease, lots of play, no FS but everything else was offered. Just a hint mention one of the other FS places and the good times roll.[/QUOTE]I have been a few times in the past 6 months have not seen anyone in their 20's. Had older 40 ish ladies and no menu other than the standard NOVA finish. Not a bad experience, but nothing worth writing home about and nothing compared to the aforementioned Angel Therapy.

P6.

Beware. Thought this was going to be a fun trip but ended up getting a legit $60 massage for $120 . And blue balls.

I guess need to read here before buying. All the right words in the ad however. Went because of convenient Maple Ave West location. Think provider name was something like Jenny.

Quote:

💝3899;3954;1556;7506;822;823;7509;1556;7506;823;822༄2925;712;Healing Touch massage*Waxing & Trimming ༻3954;1556;7506;822;823;7509;1556;7506;823;822༄2925;712;128157;.

Why Don't you give to yourself a 60 or 90 min Vacation with a good massage And leave Refreshed and Renewed.

When you come to me you will experience a Full Body Massage form Head to Toe.

And you when you leave craving for more.

Come feel the Journey on a Comfortable Table, AC Sweet Almond Oil, Hot Towels, Soft Relaxing Music, and my magic hands.

I am a Licensed CMT.

"Your Discretion is Assured".

You will Receive a Combo Swedish / Deep tissue / Sport / Reflexology Wrapped into one Session.

I have been Practicing Massage for over 5 years.

💝30 minutes $80.

💝60 minutes $120.

💝90 minutes $160.

💝Body waxing, Trimming, Shaving.

💝Brazilian $60.

💝Only Rio $30.

💝Back & Shoulders $60.

💝Chest & Abdomen $60.

💝Full Body wax $240 - $280.

💝Full Body Trimming or Shaving $180.

Don't be SHY pick up the phone & call or text now!

If I'm busy can't answer your phone please txt me.

Shower is available 🚿128703;128703;.

You will be glad you did. 571-318-6911.

Has anyone seen Jeda since she started working at the salon kk sometimes operates out of? I'm curious if it's her, I've only heard second hand accounts. Thanks for any insight gents!

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/sansabai-thai-massage-deep-tissue/34971943[/URL]

New to NOVA. Based on reports I went to Angel the other night for my first massage up here. An older woman answered the door and ushered me to a room. As she left she called out for the much praised Coco. A woman who looked a lot like an asian idol came in and told me that she had another customer come in and "another girl" will take care of me. After she left the older woman came back. I know I was one of the last walkin customers of the night and she made it clear she was not interested in giving a massage but I didn't leave, hoping I was wrong. I was not. One of the worst massages at an AMP I have ever had. After a quick all business TS she had me back in the room and on my stomach - 40 ish minutes of mediocre effort on my back & legs came the flip. Immediate mechanical finish and she was turning on the lights.

Based on reports I expected something better than a standard AMP xp, instead I got something more akin to a half-ass bodyrub from a backpage girl using a mattress on a floor in the back bedroom of a trashy apartment. I will plan better next time and make sure when / if I try Angel again I am out the door if this lady walks into the room again.

No, I did not get a name. I wasn't even sure she spoke english until after she turned on the lights. To be fair, she did not short me on time.

Sounds like you hit Jenny on a bad day. She used to work with KK before she set out on her own and I have seen her many times over the past 3 years and have ALWAYS had high quality CMT massages with unbelievable teasing and finishes. I especially like her signature 'long stroke' starting at your knee and finishing at your shoulder with a deep firm passage through your inner thigh, and privates. By the time you flip, you really need to concentrate to hold it back for the next adventure. I'd give it another try. Treat her nice. Get to know her, she is a sweet Chinese woman.

[QUOTE=HappyGuy2;3590339]Beware. Thought this was going to be a fun trip but ended up getting a legit $60 massage for $120 . And blue balls.

I guess need to read here before buying. All the right words in the ad however. Went because of convenient Maple Ave West location. Think provider name was something like Jenny.

Quote:

💝3899;3954;1556;7506;822;823;7509;1556;7506;823;822༄2925;712;Healing Touch massage*Waxing & Trimming ༻3954;1556;7506;822;823;7509;1556;7506;823;822༄2925;712;128157;.

Why Don't you give to yourself a 60 or 90 min Vacation with a good massage And leave Refreshed and Renewed.

When you come to me you will experience a Full Body Massage form Head to Toe.

And you when you leave craving for more.

Come feel the Journey on a Comfortable Table, AC Sweet Almond Oil, Hot Towels, Soft Relaxing Music, and my magic hands.

I am a Licensed CMT.

"Your Discretion is Assured".

You will Receive a Combo Swedish / Deep tissue / Sport / Reflexology Wrapped into one Session.

I have been Practicing Massage for over 5 years.

💝30 minutes $80.

💝60 minutes $120.

💝90 minutes $160.

💝Body waxing, Trimming, Shaving.

💝Brazilian $60.

💝Only Rio $30.

💝Back & Shoulders $60.

💝Chest & Abdomen $60.

💝Full Body wax $240 - $280.

💝Full Body Trimming or Shaving $180.

Don't be SHY pick up the phone & call or text now!

If I'm busy can't answer your phone please txt me.

Shower is available 🚿128703;128703;.

You will be glad you did. 571-318-6911.[/QUOTE]

Few weeks ago I dreamed I was in a desert and saw an Oasis. But it was a very old and weird one. I was very parched and incredibly thirsty, but upon arriving there I laid down waiting forever and received mediocre accommodations. Everything smelled like smoke. I traveled to this place assuming I could get something above standard, but was very disappointed. Got standard but no attraction. I don't think I will be returning.

I had a dream I met a very attractive woman. Walked on my back, provided a decent massage. But she was in and out as she was the only one in the building. On the flip right at launch, someone rings the bell at the desk. She stops right as the bomb goes off and grabs a towel. Realizes she can't leave just yet and uses the towel to finish. Very disappointing. She was super cute, super nice, everything except the very end killed me.

[QUOTE=WunderLast;3590447]New to NOVA. Based on reports I went to Angel the other night for my first massage up here. An older woman answered the door and ushered me to a room. As she left she called out for the much praised Coco. A woman who looked a lot like an asian idol came in and told me that she had another customer come in and "another girl" will take care of me. After she left the older woman came back. I know I was one of the last walkin customers of the night and she made it clear she was not interested in giving a massage but I didn't leave, hoping I was wrong. I was not. One of the worst massages at an AMP I have ever had. After a quick all business TS she had me back in the room and on my stomach - 40 ish minutes of mediocre effort on my back & legs came the flip. Immediate mechanical finish and she was turning on the lights.

Based on reports I expected something better than a standard AMP xp, instead I got something more akin to a half-ass bodyrub from a backpage girl using a mattress on a floor in the back bedroom of a trashy apartment. I will plan better next time and make sure when / if I try Angel again I am out the door if this lady walks into the room again.

No, I did not get a name. I wasn't even sure she spoke english until after she turned on the lights. To be fair, she did not short me on time.[/QUOTE]Many have learned over the years, when you are a new customer (almost for any business, but especially AMPs), walking in at the end of a business day is not a success for much happiness (as your experience shows).

Even as a well-established client, I do not unexpectedly arrive for a late appointment (these ladies generally work 10 or more hours -- if they have been busy, they are rightly fatigued in the last business hour).

There are a few places where being the last client can result in an extended visit (but not as a newby walkin).

Always be nice to the nice ladies.

NR.

[QUOTE=Monkey16;3590600]Few weeks ago I dreamed I was in a desert and saw an Oasis. But it was a very old and weird one. I was very parched and incredibly thirsty, but upon arriving there I laid down waiting forever and received mediocre accommodations. Everything smelled like smoke. I traveled to this place assuming I could get something above standard, but was very disappointed. Got standard but no attraction. I don't think I will be returning.[/QUOTE]I think YMMV is very dependent on who the provider was.

I find Jenny to be very attractive and her massages are awesome! So I've seen this lovely woman many times. And I've always been very happy with her services. In fact, she's one of my faves on the scene right now. But I'm not minimizing your complaint, HG. Spending a buck twenty gives one an expectation that they will leave happy.

However, I can tell you the 1st and 2nd time I met her she talked to me about having to develop a level of trust between her and her clients. Keep in mind that when you see a massage therapist for the 1st time, they are also seeing someone new. The smart ones are wary because they have lives outside work that cannot afford disruption. They do not need trouble. And Jenny is one who likes to maintain a very low profile.

Maybe she misinterpreted something or got spooked for some reason. It could have happened before you even got there and carried over to your session. Who knows?

And I'm not telling you you should go back, because you sound pretty upset. Again, for the price you paid, I understand why you would be. But I am saying I have found her to be an exceptional massage therapist.

That being said, she does have her limits. Even being a regular does not seem to change that. (But I'm not going to get into all that. PM me if you want more info). Of course I wish she would open up some, but I still find the time I spend on her table to be extremely satisfying.

Just wanted to share a different perspective based on my first-hand experience.

[QUOTE=TopSpinner;3590584]Sounds like you hit Jenny on a bad day. She used to work with KK before she set out on her own and I have seen her many times over the past 3 years and have ALWAYS had high quality CMT massages with unbelievable teasing and finishes. I especially like her signature 'long stroke' starting at your knee and finishing at your shoulder with a deep firm passage through your inner thigh, and privates. By the time you flip, you really need to concentrate to hold it back for the next adventure. I'd give it another try. Treat her nice. Get to know her, she is a sweet Chinese woman.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HappyGuy2;3590339]Beware. Thought this was going to be a fun trip but ended up getting a legit $60 massage for $120 . And blue balls.

I guess need to read here before buying. All the right words in the ad however. Went because of convenient Maple Ave West location. Think provider name was something like Jenny.

Quote:

💝3899;3954;1556;7506;822;823;7509;1556;7506;823;822༄2925;712;Healing Touch massage*Waxing & Trimming ༻3954;1556;7506;822;823;7509;1556;7506;823;822༄2925;712;128157;.

Why Don't you give to yourself a 60 or 90 min Vacation with a good massage And leave Refreshed and Renewed.

When you come to me you will experience a Full Body Massage form Head to Toe.

And you when you leave craving for more.

Come feel the Journey on a Comfortable Table, AC Sweet Almond Oil, Hot Towels, Soft Relaxing Music, and my magic hands.

I am a Licensed CMT.

"Your Discretion is Assured".

You will Receive a Combo Swedish / Deep tissue / Sport / Reflexology Wrapped into one Session.

I have been Practicing Massage for over 5 years.

💝30 minutes $80.

💝60 minutes $120.

💝90 minutes $160.

💝Body waxing, Trimming, Shaving.

💝Brazilian $60.

💝Only Rio $30.

💝Back & Shoulders $60.

💝Chest & Abdomen $60.

💝Full Body wax $240 - $280.

💝Full Body Trimming or Shaving $180.

Don't be SHY pick up the phone & call or text now!

If I'm busy can't answer your phone please txt me.

Shower is available 🚿128703;128703;.

You will be glad you did. 571-318-6911.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WunderLast;3590447] I know I was one of the last walkin customers of the night and she made it clear she was not interested in giving a massage but I didn't leave, hoping I was wrong. I was not. One of the worst massages at an AMP I have ever had.[/QUOTE]You've come to this country looking for work, don't know a soul, can't speak the language well, and have been working under the table at a local burger joint from 930 am to 1030 pm for two months straight. You cannot leave for lunch or to run errands because customers come all day and night; even when there is no business you are still confined to the premises. Your only outlet is whatever you can do on your phone. So you sit there staring at the screen until someone comes through the door. You deal with ugly customers, ugly food, and messy hands all day. When you go home each night, you have about an hour of down time before having to go to bed and repeat the same routine again, and again, ad infinitum. Don't forget you're sharing one room with one or two other employees. Today you're beleagured with work because the place is short staffed. By night time, you are exhausted, and cannot wait to go home. You powered down the friers and cleaned out the ice cream machine. Ten minutes before closing a random dude comes in and orders two large fries and a large chocolate shake. And he's going to stay past closing, plop down, and take his time eating his meal. Don't be that guy and expect a top notch dining experience.

Finally had a chance to visit after they reopened. All my favorite trios are still there. Jenny is there now only on Sundays. I was told there is a new young pretty girl scheduled to arrive in late November. I had a hard time catching the name, sounded like "Yoomi"? May be Yummi. Anyways I am more than content with any of the three Dolls (checkout previous post for names). What a game to play with Dolls. I am in rapture.

SS.

I decided to check out NEW SKY THERAPY's Grand Re-Opening. Greeted by Coco. Absolutely Beautiful. I got a 1 hour massage from Coco. Coco gave me an excellent massage, exactly what my body needed. Very pleased! Complete Relaxation. Highly recommended!

Angel — Coco — OMG — Mic Drop.

Nothing more to say.

Rub.

The place looked like a duck, and sorta quacked like one also.

I stumble on this place and figured I'd shoot my shot. This place resembled the AMP I've frequented in places other than NoVA. Now, no mama here, but a guy. No biggy. Once I crossed the doors I was committed, worse case scenario, I get a massage and that's it.

So, I head to the room, take off my clothes. It's apparent my masseuse, early 40's semi attractive is ok with me being in nude.

Check one.

Fast forward, start getting my massage and it's pretty average to below average, like most AMPs.

Check two.

Then, while massaging, I'm erect, junk all over the place and she never appears uncomfortable. In fact, continues to stretch and massage me in ways that reveal it.

Check three.

Halfway through, she asks if I would prefer the 90 min over the 60. Ok. Sure. Check three and a half.

Then before I know it. Massage is over and she asks me to get up to lead me to the shower. I'm thinking, this where it gets good. Not your typical shower but again, she's not shying away. Dries me off like a king, leads me back to the room. The end.

Super disappointed and confused.

1. Should I have made a move and been more aggressive.

2. Propositioned earlier.

3. Maybe I looked like LEO.

I don't know but that was that.

On the way out the door, she asked for a tip. LMAO. I told her for a tip, she needs to. She replied she doesn't do that. Then no tip. I'm out. The End.

Seniors, care to elaborate on this place, where I went wrong, etc.

Take Care.

[QUOTE=Pbarber307;3591355]You've come to this country looking for work, don't know a soul, can't speak the language well, and have been working under the table at a local burger joint from 930 am to 1030 pm for two months straight. You cannot leave for lunch or to run errands because customers come all day and night; even when there is no business you are still confined to the premises. Your only outlet is whatever you can do on your phone. So you sit there staring at the screen until someone comes through the door. You deal with ugly customers, ugly food, and messy hands all day. When you go home each night, you have about an hour of down time before having to go to bed and repeat the same routine again, and again, ad infinitum. Don't forget you're sharing one room with one or two other employees. Today you're beleagured with work because the place is short staffed. By night time, you are exhausted, and cannot wait to go home. You powered down the friers and cleaned out the ice cream machine. Ten minutes before closing a random dude comes in and orders two large fries and a large chocolate shake. And he's going to stay past closing, plop down, and take his time eating his meal. Don't be that guy and expect a top notch dining experience.[/QUOTE]Good point, everyone should try to avoid being that guy. Though I am new to the area I am not new to the game. Since it was after 8, I called (providing opportunity for them to say no) and was told to come on in. I arrived before 9 (the ad says they close at 10) and asked for 60 leaving plenty of time for breakdown / next day prep. IMHO, if you are going to ask for 60, arriving 70 or 75 min before closing is last customer.

Everyone has a bad day on occasion but if I reach out and am told to come in I expect, at min, a decent legit massage and a modicum of professionalism.

[QUOTE=TheBarbarian;3592504]The place looked like a duck, and sorta quacked like one also.

I stumble on this place and figured I'd shoot my shot. This place resembled the AMP I've frequented in places other than NoVA. Now, no mama here, but a guy. No biggy. Once I crossed the doors I was committed, worse case scenario, I get a massage and that's it.

So, I head to the room, take off my clothes. It's apparent my masseuse, early 40's semi attractive is ok with me being in nude.

Check one.

Fast forward, start getting my massage and it's pretty average to below average, like most AMPs.

Check two.

Then, while massaging, I'm erect, junk all over the place and she never appears uncomfortable. In fact, continues to stretch and massage me in ways that reveal it.

Check three.

Halfway through, she asks if I would prefer the 90 min over the 60. Ok. Sure. Check three and a half.

Then before I know it. Massage is over and she asks me to get up to lead me to the shower. I'm thinking, this where it gets good. Not your typical shower but again, she's not shying away. Dries me off like a king, leads me back to the room. The end.

Super disappointed and confused.

1. Should I have made a move and been more aggressive.

2. Propositioned earlier.

3. Maybe I looked like LEO.

I don't know but that was that.

On the way out the door, she asked for a tip. LMAO. I told her for a tip, she needs to. She replied she doesn't do that. Then no tip. I'm out. The End.

Seniors, care to elaborate on this place, where I went wrong, etc.

Take Care.[/QUOTE]You just ended up at an establishment where, at least with that particular masseuse, extras aren't available. That happens all the time and, unless there are reports to the contrary, I always go to a new AMP expecting them to be legit. Then if something extra happens it's a pleasant surprise.

About all the checkboxes you listed, there's nothing I noticed that would be a clear indication one way or the other. Asian legit masseuses are often more relaxed about nudity and even if they take off or move the draping that's still not a sure sign of extras. And they massage so many men that when a guy gets hard they know how to work around it and generally ignore it. And even if they notice and talk about it (usually with a laugh or giggle) that moves the needle closer but still isn't a guarantee.

About the tip, if you left nothing at all then that's wrong, IMHO. She provided a 90 min massage and a shower and deserves at least 15%-20% or, if the massage was average, maybe 10%-15%. There was no sign saying "HE available here" when you walked in. It would be like walking into a burger joint and refusing to tip the waitress because steak wasn't on the menu. The waitress delivered a burger and you ate it, so she deserves a tip for the level of service she provided even if it wasn't what you were hoping to get.

[QUOTE=TheBarbarian;3592504]The place looked like a duck, and sorta quacked like one also.

I stumble on this place and figured I'd shoot my shot. This place resembled the AMP I've frequented in places other than NoVA. Now, no mama here, but a guy. No biggy. Once I crossed the doors I was committed, worse case scenario, I get a massage and that's it.

So, I head to the room, take off my clothes. It's apparent my masseuse, early 40's semi attractive is ok with me being in nude.

Check one.

Fast forward, start getting my massage and it's pretty average to below average, like most AMPs.

Check two.

Then, while massaging, I'm erect, junk all over the place and she never appears uncomfortable. In fact, continues to stretch and massage me in ways that reveal it.

Check three.

Halfway through, she asks if I would prefer the 90 min over the 60. Ok. Sure. Check three and a half.

Then before I know it. Massage is over and she asks me to get up to lead me to the shower. I'm thinking, this where it gets good. Not your typical shower but again, she's not shying away. Dries me off like a king, leads me back to the room. The end.

Super disappointed and confused.

1. Should I have made a move and been more aggressive.

2. Propositioned earlier.

3. Maybe I looked like LEO.

I don't know but that was that.

On the way out the door, she asked for a tip. LMAO. I told her for a tip, she needs to. She replied she doesn't do that. Then no tip. I'm out. The End.

Seniors, care to elaborate on this place, where I went wrong, etc.

Take Care.[/QUOTE]That's the oldest trick in the book. "Accidentally" touch you and then ask if you would like to add more time. Then send you packing with nothing.

FF is fairly legit. They do let you finish yourself off, but don't assist.

But Jm. Much respect to your seniority but I'm not tipping a legitimate masseuse, esp. For a mediocre massage. I tip for extras. I paid for what I got which was listed on their site / ad.

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;3592990]You just ended up at an establishment where, at least with that particular masseuse, extras aren't available. That happens all the time and, unless there are reports to the contrary, I always go to a new AMP expecting them to be legit. Then if something extra happens it's a pleasant surprise.

About all the checkboxes you listed, there's nothing I noticed that would be a clear indication one way or the other. Asian legit masseuses are often more relaxed about nudity and even if they take off or move the draping that's still not a sure sign of extras. And they massage so many men that when a guy gets hard they know how to work around it and generally ignore it. And even if they notice and talk about it (usually with a laugh or giggle) that moves the needle closer but still isn't a guarantee.

About the tip, if you left nothing at all then that's wrong, IMHO. She provided a 90 min massage and a shower and deserves at least 15%-20% or, if the massage was average, maybe 10%-15%. There was no sign saying "HE available here" when you walked in. It would be like walking into a burger joint and refusing to tip the waitress because steak wasn't on the menu. The waitress delivered a burger and you ate it, so she deserves a tip for the level of service she provided even if it wasn't what you were hoping to get.[/QUOTE]

I dropped into Arlington Therapy this morning but Lotto was already with a customer. Coco (yes, I know.) was available, so I went ahead and saw her. She is probably also in her 50's, nice little body, decent size breasts (probably C cup). She gave a very attentive massage with lots of teasing. When it came time for the flip, she provided a similar menu to Lotto. More than a typical NOVA finish. She was open to lots of roaming and left me very happy. I would see either one of them again.

May my way back to Angel's, confirmed Coco was there along with Linda, but drew Lisa. Good experience, but my first time with her, so I didn't expect too much.

Coco is very busy now. To be sure to see her, make an appointment.

Happy mongering.

Hunts.

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[QUOTE=TheBarbarian;3594132]But Jm. Much respect to your seniority but I'm not tipping a legitimate masseuse, esp. For a mediocre massage. I tip for extras. I paid for what I got which was listed on their site / ad.[/QUOTE]Of course you should tip a legitimate masseuse. Don't you tip your barber?

FF is definitely legit. When did they start offering showers?

Jm,

I don't think there's anything wrong with doing a little reconnaissance on if a place is legit or not. Prior to my post, I didn't find any info on FF, so I checked the place. That's WTF I was doing. So, this was not an issue of failing to use the forum effectively to find spots that offer what I was looking for, rather than me trying to find a new spot that probably hadn't been discover yet and / or mentioned.

Now, is it my lack of tipping that disgusts you? Tough tit! I'm not concerned with rationalizing or justifying any decision I make in this case.

And because my choice not tip, doesn't concern the market of AMPs, escorts, or the hobby in general and a whole. Why are we discussing my personal etiquette.

Now, if you want to go ahead and say I'm a dirtbag customer (which I may be in this case), fine be my guest, I just came here to receive and report back to the community.

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;3594636]Ok, if you only tip for extras then WTF are you doing walking into a spa where you have no idea if extras are even available? To go back to my earlier example, if you're only willing to tip when a restaurant serves you steak then why would you walk into a place without knowing whether steak was actually available? It's not like there's a lack of info about HE joints, right? A quick search of the forum leads to multiple options in multiple locations.

So the plain fact is that you walked into a legit spa, received a 90 min legit massage, and then refused to leave any tip at all. Even accepting the massage was mediocre, you could (and should) have left something, if not 20%. To leave nothing at all is, from any angle I can see, the mark of a deadbeat customer. You can try to justify and rationalize anyway you want but the truth of the matter is you refused to tip after receiving a service for which gratuities are customarily expected and paid. And any misunderstanding about the extra level of service you expected to receive was 100% on you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyhornet;3594703]Of course you should tip a legitimate masseuse. Don't you tip your barber?[/QUOTE]Agree. Here is a site that talks all about it: [URL]http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/290794.page[/URL].

[QUOTE=MrSunnyHills;3594931]Agree. Here is a site that talks all about it: [URL]http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/290794.page[/URL].[/QUOTE]No offense but didn't find that site particularly helpful. It's basically a bunch of anonymous posters with opinions all over the map. One poster said they tipped $1 per minute for a massage, which is extremely high.

I found this site to be short, sweet and to the point:

[URL]http://emilypost.com/advice/general-tipping-guide/[/URL]

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;3594943]No offense but didn't find that site particularly helpful. It's basically a bunch of anonymous posters with opinions all over the map. One poster said they tipped $1 per minute for a massage, which is extremely high.

I found this site to be short, sweet and to the point:

[URL]http://emilypost.com/advice/general-tipping-guide/[/URL][/QUOTE]Last time I went to the spa at my Vegas hotel, I wanted to make sure my tipping was in line with standards. The woman working the counter said they see a wide variance, typically 15%, up to 25% for some of the more generous customers. Many of these positions are paid based on the expectation that the provider will be tipped based on standards for the industry. You should never feel obligated to tip if the service provided was terrible.

Happy Monday, folks!

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PB.

So I visited my favorite spot and Angel to find she is in such hi demand that no time was available until 3 hrs in the future; which unfortunately for me was not an option.

Popped around the corner to the Pinetree Spa. Met by a 50 ish tiny and not too well worn women. Asked if she was the only one and she called to the back for her friend who was 40 ish but still not to my liking so I left.

On to Garden Spa a couple of doors down.

Met by another 50 ish who brought out a 35-45 lady. Pleasing enough but not an Angel. Decided WTF I'm here.

TS was decent with all the right attention to all the right spots.

Her name I think was Cindy but not 1000% sure on that.

5'3" from Korea probably 110 lbs not a spinner B+ C- not a bad bod but again no Angel.

Massage is decent 10 min into it she has everything off. I'm still face down.

Some DATY and she give BBBJ followed by P2 P. No full service and she doesn't want FIV.

All in all not a bad experience. Won't repeat, but she had a good attitude.

Just no chemistry for me.

Usually takes 3-4 visits to get that far so it was a nice surprise.

Sad that I now have to call ahead for Coco, she is still the No 1 go to.

Be Safe.

P6.

First, I tip everyone who's supposed to get a tip and who puts in the effort, including the girl who washes my hair, the guy who brings my food to the door, etc.

If I've paid $50 for a legit massage, and it wasn't very good, I've already paid enough and won't tip. If the masseuse asks what I like, pays attention to what I say about where I need work, responds to my reactions with harder or lighter pressure, etc. , then I'll tip. If it's just a rote, by the numbers massage, with no attempt to personalize it, what is the tip for?

Same with a haircut. If I don't like what I see in the mirror, and the barber did a half-assed job, what's the tip for? If it's bad enough, I'll even refuse to pay. That's only happened once, LOL.

[QUOTE=BunkerBuster;3595462]First, I tip everyone who's supposed to get a tip and who puts in the effort, including the girl who washes my hair, the guy who brings my food to the door, etc.

If I've paid $50 for a legit massage, and it wasn't very good, I've already paid enough and won't tip. If the masseuse asks what I like, pays attention to what I say about where I need work, responds to my reactions with harder or lighter pressure, etc. , then I'll tip. If it's just a rote, by the numbers massage, with no attempt to personalize it, what is the tip for?

Same with a haircut. If I don't like what I see in the mirror, and the barber did a half-assed job, what's the tip for? If it's bad enough, I'll even refuse to pay. That's only happened once, LOL.[/QUOTE]Agreed. It shouldn't be automatic either way, tip vs no tip. And my issue with the poster who began this discussion is that he seems to have an automatic "no tip" rule for any legit massage, regardless of effort or quality.

If a massage is really bad, or if the masseuse is rude or has a bad attitude, I absolutely understand not leaving a tip. But, if that was the case, it should be pretty obvious by the time an hour has passed. Extending the session to 90 minutes is a pretty good indication that the massage didn't completely suck. Under those circumstances it's pretty hard to justify leaving nothing, IMHO.

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[QUOTE=HiNMitey;3594822]FF is definitely legit. When did they start offering showers?[/QUOTE]They probably do the Chinese table shampoo.

So, last week I finished work a little early and decided to head out to relax a bit. My first stop was Miko's, but there was a guy in a car parked directly across from the door messing with his phone. He could have just been waiting and playing games on his phone, or he could have been recording for some purpose, either way it creeped me out so I decided to try my luck with Smile around the corner. Unfortunately, when I parked I had just enough time to see another monger walk up to the door and after an extended conversation get let in. I figured they were probably busy and decided to head out and try something new (to me).

I looked through some ads to find something relatively close and decided to head a little ways out west. [URL]http://nova.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/1-spa-1-massage-new-young-asian-staff-amazing/29020123[/URL] In the ad they don't mention any name, but when I showed up the sign above the door said Far East. I'd heard of them from before, but I'd never taken a trip so I thought why not. I opted for the hour and Mindy was my provider. TS was decent, and the massage was above average. She really dug into me, at some points I thought I might leave bruised. Next time I might ask her to ease up, at the end she said it'd make me taller, ha! Anyway, overall it was a good experience and I left feeling relaxed with the expected ending.

I'm not sure what to think about these relatively few places becoming so busy due to the lack of other quality options. I guess I'll just have to keep on exploring.

[QUOTE=Dvldwg;3596935]In the ad they don't mention any name, but when I showed up the sign above the door said Far East.[/QUOTE]I haven't been there since the name / management name. Thanks for the update.

[QUOTE=Dvldwg;3596935]I'm not sure what to think about these relatively few places becoming so busy due to the lack of other quality options.[/QUOTE]I didn't have any problem getting into Mikos til it started popping up here. And Smile as a spillover. Angel too. Going through the board, you see the same problem with places that get glowing reviews. They get over busy til it dies down.

[QUOTE=RubMeLongTime;3592393]Angel Coco OMG Mic Drop.

Nothing more to say.

Rub.[/QUOTE]To all of the long time mongers: this Coco at Angel Therapy is not the same Coco from several years ago that was at BKY Therapy in Annandale, is it? I know I dumped some good loads into Coco from BKY and she even invited me over to her apartment right off of 495 and Little River Tpke one time to have some fun.