Massage Parlor Reports

A bunch of red flags here at least for me. The write up by the special agent included cooperation between Watertown PD and the feds. Yikes. There were several mongers who provided intel to LE. That must have been horrible. Can't imagine going through that. They caught the MPs transferring girls between NYC and Boston (so many MA AMPs do this weekly it's so obvious). Tangential crimes related to money laundering, drugs, gambling coming. Many have seen this if you monger frequently. Not saying I've had first hand experiences but I've been told.

From the news: "On Thursday, one day after three people were arrested on federal charges for allegedly operating a ring that catered to a wealthy and well-connected clientele, authorities would not rule out either federal or state charges against hundreds of men who bought sex. " Damn. Maybe some more shoes drop soon.

Thank goodness I never use my real name or phone or email.

[QUOTE=LarryJay;6672264][URL]https://www.justice.gov/d9/2023-11/usa_v._han_lee_et_al_-_complaint_affidavit_redacted.pdf[/URL]

Everyone should read this, at least the first half. It shows how much info the feds can get with search warrants when they want it. Cell phone tracking, bank accounts, onsite surveillance, lease agreements. They were working this at least back to 2022 to gather a bunch of hard evidence. The methods used by the feds is not just about the local bust, but good to know info for everyone.

Time will tell if any customers get outed by the locals or the press or a whistleblower looking to make some $$.

It seems obvious that asking for personal info is not really about safety. We don't here too much about robberies, assaults at these places or even AMPs. Just an occasional SW with a pimp.[/QUOTE]The verification process was for no one's safety. Government issues I'd so that can make there own to say anything. I know one of the girls was stationed very close to two popular AMPs in Watertown. Strange how the cops went after a visually from the street UTR operation that by web site standards was very visible. But avoided store front brothels. Sometimes I think one operation just rats out competition just to thin things.

Relatively new to the page, not new to the AMP's. Looking to find another AMP in the area besides blue in Danvers. CBJ doesn't do it for me. Trying to try some new spots.

[QUOTE=PaulRew;6672288]So the BTT guys are sweating about getting outed in public and possibly losing jobs, families etc. and you are worried that your next HJ may cost more?

I am filing this one in the " Out of touch" folder.[/QUOTE]Paul. Apologies if my wording was too insensitive. First my experience in this forum pales in comparison with yours, second I've always tried to add direct value versus engaging in unnecessary back and forth, third provider prices keep going up (including all options), fourth most of us don't have the means like the mongers on BTT, tryst, Eros and similar sites (I wish I did but unfortunately don't make that much money) and therefore would like myself and others to hold the line on prices (including all options) if BTT-type mongers and others start to shift their interests elsewhere. This in no way whatsoever means that I don't feel bad for the registered BTT monger database that may be at risk for future prosecution (and subsequent family and employment consequences) if they've provided personally sensitive information.

Fly.

[QUOTE=Flyguy1980;6673019]Paul. Apologies if my wording was too insensitive. First my experience in this forum pales in comparison with yours, second I've always tried to add direct value versus engaging in unnecessary back and forth, third provider prices keep going up (including all options), fourth most of us don't have the means like the mongers on BTT, tryst, Eros and similar sites (I wish I did but unfortunately don't make that much money) and therefore would like myself and others to hold the line on prices (including all options) if BTT-type mongers and others start to shift their interests elsewhere. This in no way whatsoever means that I don't feel bad for the registered BTT monger database that may be at risk for future prosecution (and subsequent family and employment consequences) if they've provided personally sensitive information.

Fly.[/QUOTE]I have a hard time feeling bad for the uber-rich mongers that clearly felt like they're untouchable. They gave personal info and paid monthly fees to stay with the agency. Shame on them and let's keep the prices from more inflation for us little guys!

[QUOTE=Mattis1775;6666374]How much are we talking? Hand magic the same rates as FS? I don't mind spending extra. But not like 200. That's Mandela's rates. LOL.[/QUOTE]Its like $100 for HE and $160 CBJ with saran wrap last I checked.

1. Be friendly, tell them you are running late for your next appointment or whatever. Ask if you are free to go.

2. LEO: "Did you engage in sexual act? (did you get a happy ending)".

YOU:"no, I don't think this is that kind of place. ".

LEO:"so you got a blowjob for $120".

YOU:"no".

LEO: "make this easier on yourself and your wife".

YOU: "Nothing to hide, got a massage, my back hurts".

LEO "We have you on video".

YOU "Call my lawyer, I'd like him to look at this alleged video".

Dont freak out, Be polite, admit nothing, don't tell long stories or tell tales. They will make all kinds of threats. At this point your wife is already likely to find out that you got a massage because your back hurts.. Telling them anything only makes it harder for your lawyer.

As nervous as you may be during the process, remember they have what they have on you, and you don't know what that is, so your only job right there in that uncomfortable moment is not to give them anything they can use against you. Be honest and tell them you got a nice back rub leave as quickly as possible no matter what they say or how awful you feel in the moment.

[QUOTE=Bishop8891;6669557]Been driving by this place on my way home from work. Decided to stop in. Place looks very clean. Girl behind desk was beautiful. Asked for half hour. Rooms are big and the table is super comfortable. She doesn't speak much English but she made up for it with a great massage and ending. Will definitely be going back for more with her. There are metered parking right out front of a parking lot just down the street. I was lucky enough to score a spot right out front. One dollar in coins gets you plenty of time. They have an APP for using your CC but I don't want any record of my parking habits.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip about 709 Washington St. Everything was as Bishop said. Very clean and fresh place. Easy parking. I saw Jenny for a nice massage and left relaxed. I found her quite attractive, very young and sexy. She said the place is under new management. I will definitely return.

[QUOTE=Spectator;6674206]1. Be friendly, tell them you are running late for your next appointment or whatever. Ask if you are free to go.

2. LEO: "Did you engage in sexual act? (did you get a happy ending)".

YOU:"no, I don't think this is that kind of place. ".

LEO:"so you got a blowjob for $120".

YOU:"no".

LEO: "make this easier on yourself and your wife".

YOU: "Nothing to hide, got a massage, my back hurts".

LEO "We have you on video".

YOU "Call my lawyer, I'd like him to look at this alleged video".

Dont freak out, Be polite, admit nothing, don't tell long stories or tell tales. They will make all kinds of threats. At this point your wife is already likely to find out that you got a massage because your back hurts.. Telling them anything only makes it harder for your lawyer..[/QUOTE]Any "generic " legal advice doesn't go that far. Say nothing except I respectfully decline to talk to you as is my right. Am I being detained or am I free to go. That's it. In some states they may be able to ask for I'd if your on foot. In every state if your operating a motor vehicle. Otherwise keep your mouth shut and if your not detained move on.

[QUOTE=Spectator;6674206]1. Be friendly, tell them you are running late for your next appointment or whatever. Ask if you are free to go.

2. LEO: "Did you engage in sexual act? (did you get a happy ending)".

YOU:"no, I don't think this is that kind of place. ".

LEO:"so you got a blowjob for $120".

YOU:"no".

LEO: "make this easier on yourself and your wife".

YOU: "Nothing to hide, got a massage, my back hurts".

LEO "We have you on video".

YOU "Call my lawyer, I'd like him to look at this alleged video".

Dont freak out, Be polite, admit nothing, don't tell long stories or tell tales. They will make all kinds of threats. At this point your wife is already likely to find out that you got a massage because your back hurts.. Telling them anything only makes it harder for your lawyer.

As nervous as you may be during the process, remember they have what they have on you, and you don't know what that is, so your only job right there in that uncomfortable moment is not to give them anything they can use against you. Be honest and tell them you got a nice back rub leave as quickly as possible no matter what they say or how awful you feel in the moment.[/QUOTE]Don't even engage in any type of conversation. Just say you are not discussing anything. Ask if you are free to go and if not, ask for a lawyer.

I got stopped last year in Middleton when they were in the middle of cracking down on basically all of the AMP there. When the cop came to my window, he said he was pulling me over because I had a line violation at the intersection. (BS tactic.) But after he got my license and registration, the conversation quickly turned to him seeing me pull out of one of the AMPs. As suggested, I was friendly and just kept on repeating I was there for a legitimate massage and had been doing so for years. He assured me that there was lots of illegal activity going on there, but I assured him right back that I had never seen any evidence of that. Still, I told him since he was positive of that I was not going to be going back there again. Finally, after asking the same questions over and over, and knowing he wasn't going to get anything out of me, he let me go with a verbal warning. That was the last time I stepped foot in middleton. Getting stopped like that was something I had dreaded happening for 10 years. However, I was proud of myself with how relaxed I remained and sticking to not knowing anything. Z

[QUOTE=Spectator;6674206]1. Be friendly, tell them you are running late for your next appointment or whatever. Ask if you are free to go.

2. LEO: "Did you engage in sexual act? (did you get a happy ending)".

YOU:"no, I don't think this is that kind of place. ".

LEO:"so you got a blowjob for $120".

YOU:"no".

LEO: "make this easier on yourself and your wife".

YOU: "Nothing to hide, got a massage, my back hurts".

LEO "We have you on video".

YOU "Call my lawyer, I'd like him to look at this alleged video".

Dont freak out, Be polite, admit nothing, don't tell long stories or tell tales. They will make all kinds of threats. At this point your wife is already likely to find out that you got a massage because your back hurts.. Telling them anything only makes it harder for your lawyer.

As nervous as you may be during the process, remember they have what they have on you, and you don't know what that is, so your only job right there in that uncomfortable moment is not to give them anything they can use against you. Be honest and tell them you got a nice back rub leave as quickly as possible no matter what they say or how awful you feel in the moment.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Zimmm33;6674431]I got stopped last year in Middleton when they were in the middle of cracking down on basically all of the AMP there. When the cop came to my window, he said he was pulling me over because I had a line violation at the intersection. (BS tactic.) But after he got my license and registration, the conversation quickly turned to him seeing me pull out of one of the AMPs. As suggested, I was friendly and just kept on repeating I was there for a legitimate massage and had been doing so for years. He assured me that there was lots of illegal activity going on there, but I assured him right back that I had never seen any evidence of that. Still, I told him since he was positive of that I was not going to be going back there again. Finally, after asking the same questions over and over, and knowing he wasn't going to get anything out of me, he let me go with a verbal warning. That was the last time I stepped foot in middleton. Getting stopped like that was something I had dreaded happening for 10 years. However, I was proud of myself with how relaxed I remained and sticking to not knowing anything. Z
[/QUOTE]Good job Z, many of these cases I read about are built at least in part on mongers ratting on themselves and the spa, just want to add a reminder that cops will lie too and imply shit like if you tell them what they want to know they'll make sure your name is left out of it, as others have said, say nothing, you can only make it worse, not better, there is nothing illegal about visiting a business, leave it that.

[QUOTE=WarEagle1996;6673885]I have a hard time feeling bad for the uber-rich mongers that clearly felt like they're untouchable. They gave personal info and paid monthly fees to stay with the agency. Shame on them and let's keep the prices from more inflation for us little guys![/QUOTE]Actually I need to avoid a flag on this one so see you on the Massholes thread.

I'm going to be in and around the Cambridge area with some time to kill. Was thinking about stopping in at foot heaven. Us. Does anyone have any encouraging information that would help me want to stop by there?

If not I'll probably just go ahead and take a hit and see what happens.

If I go I'll report back soon.

[QUOTE=Spectator;6674206]...

2. LEO: "Did you engage in sexual act? (did you get a happy ending)".

YOU:"no, I don't think this is that kind of place. ".

LEO:"so you got a blowjob for $120".

YOU:"no".
...[/QUOTE]Don't lie to the police. It's illegal to lie to the FBI, and a bad idea to lie to regular cops. If you lie, then are caught out on it, you can't walk back a lie later and be expected to be believed. You've lied once, who's to say you're not lying again? Best course of action (after asking "Am I free to go? Is to not answer questions, but say something like "I decline to answer any questions without my lawyer present". Also, for the 5th amendment to apply, you must explicitly invoke it; simply remaining silent does not invoke the protections it offers.