Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=SirCumference; 1265704]Well, I made it to Philadelphia only to have my scheduled trip reduced from a week to a single night thanks to Irene. My Philly AMP experience was a single trip to Blue Moon. I'll get a review in once I catch my breath from being home. I hope to go back soon for more in-depth research. What an impressively lively MP scene!

Thanks to all who provided advice, I only wish I could have put it to better use![/QUOTE]Maybe we weren't clear enough in our advice. But a one shot at the Philly AMP scene and one would have been advised to spend the cab fare for a trip to Fun City. Odds are in your favor at FC. Hope BM was to your liking and worked out for you, sometimes one gets lucky. Hurry back!

[QUOTE=Ccster; 1256375]Had the pleasure of seeing Tiffany while I was in town recently. To my surprise, the photos in her Backpage ad are 100 percent accurate,

[url]http://philadelphia.backpage.com/BodyRubs/enjoy-a-sensual-massage-with-tiffany-outcall-only-26/7781536[/url]

She's very attractive and her body is incredible. She also has an incredibly sweet personality. Very, very pleasant, friendly and trustworthy. (At least as far as I could tell.)

For a little extra cash, she'll massage you topless or in the nude. Has somewhat weak massage skills. Allows mutual touching. (Seems to really enjoy receiving a little tongue action.) Does not offer BJ or FS. Uses nothing more than her hands to get the job done, which was fine with me. (Heck, I probably would have been fine with simply looking at her amazing body for an hour!) [/QUOTE]How much extra for nude?

[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love;1265849]Maybe we weren't clear enough in our advice. But a one shot at the Philly AMP scene and one would have been advised to spend the cab fare for a trip to Fun City. Odds are in your favor at FC. Hope BM was to your liking and worked out for you, sometimes one gets lucky. Hurry back![/QUOTE]Thanks, CL! I had planned FC for day 2, treating BM as a warm-up to the Philly scene. Mr. Murphy and Ms. Irene had other plans though. If I knew it was to be a one-shot I would have been FC bound in a heartbeat.

BM fulfilled its purpose adequately, especially for a visitor from the Buckle of the Bible Belt where such things simply don't exist.

I took a trip to Blue Moon. Mamasan buzzed me in and said that Hanna was the only one available. Mamasan led me to my room, clean and private. Hanna came in and introduced herself in very accented English. She commented on how big I was (I'm well over 6 feet and still have the chest and shoulders of the high school linebacker I once was, even if that's been a while). She's a tiny little thing.

She led me to the table shower room. It's a 2-station room with a curtain down the middle, which I wasn't wild about but as I had it to myself, no harm & no foul. The TS was thorough and relaxing, with a lot of attention to my nether regions.

Back to the room for a massage. She excused herself to wash up, and her outfit came off as soon as she was back. She has very cute, small breasts with very dark nipples-exactly how I like AMP girls. She was shaved except for a little spot right at the top. Very trim body and decent butt. Tasteful tattoo on the lower back. Good fingerwork and lots of pleasant pressure as she knelt on my back. Then came the flip, with some rubbing leading to hugs, kisses on the neck, and my mouth on her nipples to oohs and aahs.

I worked my way lower for a good round of DATY, most of it with her feet on my shoulders giving me full access. She was pleasantly responsive. My only complaint was that she had a little soapy taste, but I can't complain too much as hygiene is in my interest, after all. I lay down and the cover went on, lots of ball kissing and a little tongue work on my bottom. Good blowjob pressure, which I cut off fairly quickly in the interest of things yet to come.

She climbed on CG with a slow grind, eyes closed and head back. We switched to doggie and it was a good visual treat to see how small she was against me. Back to CG for the finish. Dry wipedown, followed by her excusing herself to clean up. She returned shortly with a warm cloth to clean me up. She helped me dress. I tipped her to a warm smile. She gave me a hug and kiss and told me to ask for her next time I was back.

I said goodbye to Hanna and Mamasan, then returned to anonymity on the street with none the wiser.

Face: 7. Pretty, but probably a little more aged than I thought at first glance. Nice white smile.

Body: 8. Petite, trim, and tight.

Attitude: 8. Language barrier was there (I'm from the South and speak fluent Southern!). She was responsive and willing.

Service: 8. Relaxing TS and massage, and she knew what she was doing in all phases of my visit.

Damage: 1. 6 plus tip.

Would I return: Yes. Everything that transpired met my expectations. If I were a local, Blue Moon's frequent visitor card would be of interest to me.

Would I ask for Hanna again: Sure. She was pleasant to look at, accommodating, and I got what I came for!

Wow! SirCumference. Great review. Thanks for sharing that. Glad you had a great time at BM!

While Mr Murphy kept you from FC it sounds like he was conspicuously absent from your experience at BM!

Hey, I didn't know the Callowhill Special existed outside of CH / FC! You found a good one.

Stellar review SirCumference! Glad Philly was able to make your visit a positive one. Blue Moon just added to my list of 'must do'.

[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love; 1266916]Wow! SirCumference. Great review. Thanks for sharing that. Glad you had a great time at BM!

While Mr Murphy kept you from FC it sounds like he was conspicuously absent from your experience at BM!

Hey, I didn't know the Callowhill Special existed outside of CH / FC! You found a good one.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry if I missed something here. Where did he mention the CH special?

Had opportunity to visit recently, spending time with Sera, who is petite and natural, albeit a bit small for my usual fare. TS was pleasing, thorough, her soft little hands caressing and massaging my body as she hummed. Dried me off and back to the room. After asking me to get comfortable she left and returned to start a little massagi, but that didn't last long since I was intrigued to try other stretching exercises with her, which made us both hungry. After we enjoyed some mutual snacking, and after the raincoat came on she wanted to have a bigger dish. Now I am over 6' and not a skinny guy, but this little one worked me out. Three dishes later, I was happy, and after going to get a hot towel she offered to resume massagi. Little as she is, she was able to give me a nice firm massage, back walking, etc. Finally, there was the knock on the door and our time was up. She helped me dress, offered to get me some water on the way out and walked me to the door to say goodbye to the MS and be on my way.

As usual, FCA is full of gems.

[QUOTE=Basketball;1267745]I'm sorry if I missed something here. Where did he mention the CH special?[/QUOTE][i]I worked my way lower for a good round of DATY, most of it with her feet on my shoulders giving me full access. She was pleasantly responsive. My only complaint was that she had a little soapy taste, but I can't complain too much as hygiene is in my interest, after all. I lay down and the cover went on, lots of ball kissing [b]and a little tongue work on my bottom. [/b] Good blowjob pressure, which I cut off fairly quickly in the interest of things yet to come. [/i]

Now maybe he meant she was kissing his globes, but I took that to mean a bit of the salad got tossed.

I really enjoy Philly AMPs but also find them frustrating because of staff turnover. Most AMPs seem to have 2-3 girls these days rather than 5-6 girls as they did in years past when there were fewer AMPs in CC. Thus when you ask to see all the girls there is less of a choice or more often the response is that most the girls are busy but don't worry "I have beautiful young girl fo you" So it turns out to be a roll of the dice and usually this turns out to be a disappointment. If by chance I get lucky and end up with someone who is really young, pretty, gives a good massage and plenty of extras to put a smile on my face, I believe that I have finally found my ATF but when I call at a later time to schedule an appointment with this girl I am told that she is no longer works here. An example recently is Mink at 1820. When I ask where she went usually no real information is provided. In the case of Mink the mamasan said that she went to NYC to make more money. Part of my problem may be that the girls that I like are the younger ones. Seems that AMPs usually have an older, more experienced girl who is contracted for long term and the turnover involves the younger girls who are more transient. So if they go to NYC through this system where are they in NYC. I haven't been able to find AMP services through checking USASG in NYC threads that indicate services involving younger girls. One AMP girl in Philly told me that she worked at a nail salon in NYC when she went there. Another girl in Philly gave me her # and I found she ended up at an AMP in Elizabeth NJ, but when I went up to see her, she didn't make any more $. Prices were the same. So does anyone know how the system works and where do all the young AMP girls go?

Do a google search for [B]dollar bill's psycho round up[/B]

His blog is both funny and informative.

[QUOTE=Yophile2;1270806]I really enjoy Philly AMPs but also find them frustrating because of staff turnover. Most AMPs seem to have 2-3 girls these days rather than 5-6 girls as they did in years past when there were fewer AMPs in CC. Thus when you ask to see all the girls there is less of a choice or more often the response is that most the girls are busy but don't worry "I have beautiful young girl fo you" So it turns out to be a roll of the dice and usually this turns out to be a disappointment. If by chance I get lucky and end up with someone who is really young, pretty, gives a good massage and plenty of extras to put a smile on my face, I believe that I have finally found my ATF but when I call at a later time to schedule an appointment with this girl I am told that she is no longer works here. An example recently is Mink at 1820. When I ask where she went usually no real information is provided. In the case of Mink the mamasan said that she went to NYC to make more money. Part of my problem may be that the girls that I like are the younger ones. Seems that AMPs usually have an older, more experienced girl who is contracted for long term and the turnover involves the younger girls who are more transient. So if they go to NYC through this system where are they in NYC. I haven't been able to find AMP services through checking USASG in NYC threads that indicate services involving younger girls. One AMP girl in Philly told me that she worked at a nail salon in NYC when she went there. Another girl in Philly gave me her # and I found she ended up at an AMP in Elizabeth NJ, but when I went up to see her, she didn't make any more $. Prices were the same. So does anyone know how the system works and where do all the young AMP girls go?[/QUOTE]Alas, I think that us as the "outsider" consumer are barred from being privvy to the inner workings of the underside of this biz.

I had the same experience; thought I'd found the jackpot, an honest to goodness beauty, was skilled at playing with and about my pooper (she got me over thinking it was "ghey", my punk homophobic self resisted at first but now. Shyt, I insist) , worked at it with diligence and focus, never showing any sign whatsoever of tiring out. Then one day she disappeared. POOF. Into the ether. Asked mama where she was,"oh, lots of these girls move around, she gone!". Didn't feel right to push for specifics as the general vibe was that there were not that were going to be given to me, and figured if I pushed I might come across like I was in love or something. (maybe I was a little. LOL).

How and why these girls come and go when conceivably they can build up a steady and reliable clientele is a mystery (hmm. Maybe thats a base reason perhaps? Keep the focus the business owner and not the girl?). And the recruitment machine in the background that supplies them the trade I dunno, can't say that I'm not curious.

Any insiders here? Care to enlighten?

[QUOTE=Yophile2;1270806]I find them frustrating because of staff turnover.[/QUOTE]I, otoh, would consider variety a strong positive, a must even. That's why they're moving around, I believe. Kinda like with a movie theatre. What good would it be if it were showing the same movie, no matter how good in itself, in perpetuity? Absurd.

[QUOTE=Iorek; 1270957]Alas, I think that us as the "outsider" consumer are barred from being privvy to the inner workings of the underside of this biz.

I had the same experience; thought I'd found the jackpot, an honest to goodness beauty, was skilled at playing with and about my pooper (she got me over thinking it was "ghey", my punk homophobic self resisted at first but now. Shyt, I insist) , worked at it with diligence and focus, never showing any sign whatsoever of tiring out. Then one day she disappeared. POOF. Into the ether. Asked mama where she was,"oh, lots of these girls move around, she gone!". Didn't feel right to push for specifics as the general vibe was that there were not that were going to be given to me, and figured if I pushed I might come across like I was in love or something. (maybe I was a little. LOL).

How and why these girls come and go when conceivably they can build up a steady and reliable clientele is a mystery (hmm. Maybe thats a base reason perhaps? Keep the focus the business owner and not the girl?). And the recruitment machine in the background that supplies them the trade I dunno, can't say that I'm not curious.

Any insiders here? Care to enlighten?[/QUOTE]It is no secret, right now the gals make more money working in NYC. The base rate is $200 for a session. In Philly it is $160. If you're young and hot you're going to make more in NYC. Not to say if your only seeing 2 customer a day in NYC and 5 in Philly you'll make more in Philly but from what I understand that is also not true. The NYC spas are busier then Philly right now.

You're correct about building up a steady reliable clientele but why do it in Philly when you can do the same thing in NYC and make more besides the bulk of them all live in the Flushing area anyways.

PLEASE HELP! Can anyone recommend an AMP in the suburbs that has extensive menu options?

Have been to a few, only to be disappointed!

Send a PM is fine!

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Iorek; 1270957]Alas, I think that us as the "outsider" consumer are barred from being privvy to the inner workings of the underside of this biz.

I had the same experience; thought I'd found the jackpot, an honest to goodness beauty, was skilled at playing with and about my pooper (she got me over thinking it was "ghey", my punk homophobic self resisted at first but now. Shyt, I insist) , worked at it with diligence and focus, never showing any sign whatsoever of tiring out. Then one day she disappeared. POOF. Into the ether. Asked mama where she was,"oh, lots of these girls move around, she gone!". Didn't feel right to push for specifics as the general vibe was that there were not that were going to be given to me, and figured if I pushed I might come across like I was in love or something. (maybe I was a little. LOL).

How and why these girls come and go when conceivably they can build up a steady and reliable clientele is a mystery (hmm. Maybe thats a base reason perhaps? Keep the focus the business owner and not the girl?). And the recruitment machine in the background that supplies them the trade I dunno, can't say that I'm not curious.

Any insiders here? Care to enlighten?[/QUOTE]I'm not an insider, but I always believed that the owners of these AMPs owned places in several cities and like to rotate the girls around to keep up the variety that was available. Or maybe sometimes the girls have a problem with the mamasan and just need a change of scenery. To us, sometimes we develop a relationship with a particular girl for whatever reason. To the spa owners, these girls are just a commodity to be used to make as much money as possible, and if that involves rotating them then thats what they are going to do.

Love can happen just about anywhere. I saw a Korean girl at Adams Apple couple years ago who ended up marrying a client. I always wondered how the relationship turned out. Another Korean girl at an AMP in old city left because she was getting married not sure if it was a customer. Also in years past the owner of 1820 who used to provide massage services to me ended getting married. I think that she may still maintain a few regulars not sure though. More than once a mamasan has told me that a girl fell in love with a regular customer and ended up devastated when the customer stopped coming to see her. Once I became quite strongly attracted to an ATF and was very disappointed and emotionally upset when she moved back to Korea. Obviously it is not a good idea to develop feelings for these girls, but it is sometimes hard to control your emotions under such intimate situations.

In regard to turnover of girls I think that the organization at AMPs promotes this dynamic because it seems that there is a girl who has seniority and she must have a contract or arrangement with the ownership such that the other girls are temporary. This would guarantee the senior girl a certain amount of security and revenue in exchange for longevity that protects the AMP. I went to the AMP on Samson and knew the older girl who I didn't care for so I asked for the new girl. Well it turned into a big fight between the girls and I was shuffled between the rooms. I ended up with the new girl because I threatened to walk, but the older Korean kept trying to pull rank. There seem to be exceptions to this speculation such as FC that retains several girls for longer periods of time. This may contribute to the success of that AMP because you know what to expect and there is an opportunity for sampling of different girls.

[QUOTE=Yophile2; 1271656]Love can happen just about anywhere. I saw a Korean girl at Adams Apple couple years ago who ended up marrying a client. I always wondered how the relationship turned out. Another Korean girl at an AMP in old city left because she was getting married not sure if it was a customer. Also in years past the owner of 1820 who used to provide massage services to me ended getting married. I think that she may still maintain a few regulars not sure though. More than once a mamasan has told me that a girl fell in love with a regular customer and ended up devastated when the customer stopped coming to see her. Once I became quite strongly attracted to an ATF and was very disappointed and emotionally upset when she moved back to Korea. Obviously it is not a good idea to develop feelings for these girls, but it is sometimes hard to control your emotions under such intimate situations.

In regard to turnover of girls I think that the organization at AMPs promotes this dynamic because it seems that there is a girl who has seniority and she must have a contract or arrangement with the ownership such that the other girls are temporary. This would guarantee the senior girl a certain amount of security and revenue in exchange for longevity that protects the AMP. I went to the AMP on Samson and knew the older girl who I didn't care for so I asked for the new girl. Well it turned into a big fight between the girls and I was shuffled between the rooms. I ended up with the new girl because I threatened to walk, but the older Korean kept trying to pull rank. There seem to be exceptions to this speculation such as FC that retains several girls for longer periods of time. This may contribute to the success of that AMP because you know what to expect and there is an opportunity for sampling of different girls.[/QUOTE]All woman are wired the same way. Let get real as to what options does a K-gal actually have? Work in a motel cleaning for $6 / hr? Work in a kitchen in some K-town restaurant? If she doesn't have her working papers, what is really on the table? Their minimum wage is like seeing a 2 or 3 guys a day but still that is about $200-$300 cash (no taxes) per day. If she is hot and in high demand she will make much more. They don't do this because they really like it; they really like the money. Most have the same dreams that all woman have. They would like to have a good stable life with a good man. We all have emotions and real feelings can develop. The real question is can both sides drop the past and move on. Also some of the women can develop very bad spending habits, blowing a few grands at the blackjack table and buying high end pocketbooks, jeans and watches is just a normal way of life for an AMP gal. It isn't difficult to get caught up in the lifestyle.

I have always held to the belief that working gals and some strippers understand the needs of men better then any other women on the planet. I am talking about working gals and strippers that are sane, not in their young 20's and are no longer caught up in the newness of the game. I also think they have very good radar for detecting BS since they hear it all day. Some guys that people would consider a great catch see them as potential mates and other guys see them as forever damaged, the ironic thing is they are both right. Because if you can't get over what happened in the past then don't let your current emotions fool you. It reminds me of an old Andrew Dice Clay line, he finds a guy in the audience with a hot wife / gf, he says to the guy "Wow, you wife is hot. Is she good in the sack?" The guy says "Yes". Dice says again "No, I mean was she really really good in the sack when you first meet her?" The guy says again "Oh yea, she is amazing". Dice says "How do you think she got to be so good?".

Hi all. Visiting the mecca of AMP this weekend.

First. Tried calling FCA to set up appointment. Only got answering machine, may not be open, but I drove by and did not go up to ring the bell.

Went to King's Spa last night on 3rd (42B) , but the place smelled musty. Like the walls were sweating! I thought about staying for a "treatment", but the service provider offered was mid 30's with alot of mileage, so I left.

Called Blue Moon today and hooked up with Happy. She is a sweet girl. Gave me the best massage I ever recieved at an AMP (40 mins). Here's the breakdown.

Total Time 1 hour 15 min.

Service 10.

Body 6 (I'm picky, shaved, clean. 5'4/120 late20's has midline surgical abdominal scar, but she's slim with natural 34Cs)

Extras all available and utilized.

Damage 1. 6.

Bottom Line: Nice girl, provides excellent masssage with extras (rim / CBJ / doggy) , YMMV.

Bye All.

BDB

Sorry if I sound ignorant with this post. I frequented the Callowhill and another AMP on Sansom about ten years ago. Last time I was at Callowhill, they were in new location a few blocks from original. They closed about a year later.

I've been reading posts in this thread and will appreciate some clarification:

1. Is FC short for Fun City?

2. Is Fun City located at one of the old Callowhill locations? If so, which one?

3. Is the AMP at the cornier of 16th and Sansom (above the Rooster Bar) still open? Do you know the current name?

I'll appreciate replies. Also, specific reccomendations on talent at any of these places will be appreciate

By any chance, would you know if this is the same "J" that worked off and on at the AMP at 16th and Sansom back in the late 90's? Nice body, breasts, loved DATY, gave multiple pops. She was my first AMP experience, just wondering if she had come back there?

[QUOTE=Bigcatt69;1241936]Well, all things come to an end in this floating world, my ATF from FC is gone. So glad I am I that I had a chance to be back in Philly for her last two weeks before moving on. Yes, J with her rocking body, great personality, and momentary massages is no longer in the line up. Sometimes, rarely really, one can meet a quality woman in this environment, so I wish her the best. I loved her TS, and then the mutual fun we had. Was able to see her twice early this month, and each time we covered the universe, always going over time, with no hassles from the wonderful MS. FC is the best, and I look forward to more visits, perhaps a new ATF will emerge.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AugustWest5;1274298]1. Is FC short for Fun City?[/quote]Yes.

[quote]2. Is Fun City located at one of the old Callowhill locations?[/quote]No.

[quote]If so, which one?[/quote]Neither. Call them up and they'll give you directions.

[quote]3. Is the AMP at the cornier of 16th and Sansom (above the Rooster Bar) still open? Do you know the current name?[/quote]That I don't know. Never been there.

Most importantly: there's been reports that FC got shut down recently (on grounds unknown). Alternatively, that it had some maintenance problems. Either way, it's been closed, at the moment at least, so be sure to call them up before heading their way and do NOT just drop by, for you may be greeted by a locked door.

16th and Sansom was a very long time ago and there is no intel that it exists now. A spacious place if I remember. It was more like a Loft apartment.

I was in philly this week. Called FC two nights in a row, got mailbox full message. Went by there two nights in a row, rang bell, no answer. Fortunately I had a back up plan. Went to pink as drew mimi. A little young and inexperienced. Massage was ok, attitude was good. Everything on the menu. Overall it was ok, but probably would not repeat and look for something better. Later. BT3

Thursday night I was out partying pretty late and was feeling pretty beat on Friday. Although still horny and actually wanting a good massage as well for my sore muscles. Having not gone to an AMP in a over a couple years, I looked in backpage to see what the options were. Found Sun Gold Spa was in a good location so I ended up over there around 2 in the afternoon. I've been to several AMPs over the years but this is the first time that I actually did this in the afternoon. I have to say that this is probably a good thing as I never felt rushed and think I actually got extra time out of my visit since there weren't too many customers there. I have to say that this was one of the better AMP experiences I ever had and would have been better if I wasn't so tired in the first place. I get there and am taken by the mamasan to a back room where she hits me up for. 60 for the massage. A couple mins later a woman comes walking in. Very attractive body and was super friendly. I am not going to mention her name in this post as I want to protect her (you'll see in my report that she probably didn't follow normal protocol so I don't want her to get in trouble). She asked if I wanted a shower and that's one part that I really enjoy so I said yes. When going back in the room, it was a little strange because there was a curtain separating two shower tables and there was another guy on the other side. Kind of strange but wasn't awful. Hana got to work and gave me a great wash down paying special attention to my ass. I could tell by the amount of attention she was giving it that she was probably into ass play and making sure I was good and clean down there. Then I was flipped over and washed all over the front. She even tugged me a bit with some soap which is something that I've never had a woman do when getting washed up. The whole time she was saying "you handsom. You handsom" and "nice ass". LOL. Physically, I'm in pretty good shape but I took her comments with a grain of salt since she probably says this a lot. Then when she started to dry me off she gave me a peck on the lips, dried up my whole body, and then even gave me a small kiss below as well. Over all, I had more "attention" payed to me during that shower than I had at any other AMP before. Nothing crazy that would get me off but it was a nice teaser before going in the back. Then in the back room, I laid on my back and she started giving me a really good massage. One of the things I like at AMPs is the actual massage before fun and she was pretty skilled. Really rubbed my back and neck nicely, also working down my legs, feet, etc. After working my legs with me still on my back, she came back up to my ass again and started to tease it with her fingers. I parted my legs a bit and she kept playing with it. Next thing you know she gets up, comes back, then I feel a slight warming sensation on my ass. Which I think is perhaps rubbing alcohol. Then she starts to go to town, not with her fingers but her tongue! This was a total surprise to me as we didn't even have a discussion around "tips". She really seemed genuinely into it and it sounded as if it was getting her off. If this was an "act" it was certainly a good one and had me fooled. Then she pulled me back a bit so my ass was in the air and she could do a reach around while licking my ass. Freaking awesome! After a couple of minutes, I turned around on my front and she started working my johnson with some oil, then brought her body up so I could tittie fuck her for a bit. All of this stimulation was just too much for me and I really couldn't hold out very long. Told her I was ready to cum and she quickly put a cover on and gave me a BJ for the final seconds before blast off. The crazy part about this is that as I said before, we never even talked about a tip before all of this and I wasn't sure if she really liked me or just assumed that I knew. I thought that there was a chance this could have been all included for the. 60 cover fee, but even if it was I was still planning on leaving a tip. She came back with a warm towel to clean me up and then she laid there next to me for several minutes, her body pressed up against mine. Asked me if I was married or single (told her single) and she started talking about how her and I should get married. She was saying so much that I think she was genuinely interested in me. Then a while later, she starts tugging me again. So this is ANOTHER surprise. Not only did we not talk tips yet, but I was getting a 2 for 1 for whatever tip I gave her. I like a little ass play so I asked her to stick a finger in while she jacked me, which she gladly did. The night before I was out late and I simply didn't have another one in me (that, plus I'm not in my 20's anymore so it's harder for me to do it 2xs quickly). Ended up telling her sorry that I was tired and we then finished up. So, she helps get me dressed, never said anything about a tip. But I went for my wallet to give her one since she was really good. Had. 8 in the wallet but pulled out. 6, she looked at me and said that they usually charge 1. 0. I pulled out another. 2 for a total of. 8 and then showed her that I didn't have any more left. She said, ok for this time but for next time it would be more. Over all, a wonderful experience and I wouldn't mind going back again.

One note. There's something I normally do at these places that I think is a good practice. I take all the credit cards out of my wallet and only taken in the cash that I'm willing to spend. I don't know if they do this or not but I suspect there's a chance that mamasan may look into the wallet when you're in the shower to see how much you brought. For this reason, I only take what I'm willing to spend. Plus, it was good that I didn't have my credit cards on me as she probably would have had me put another. 20 on that, which would have been VERY BAD for my personal situation.

Finally, it's strange but I think she really was interested in me. Mind you. I'm NOT a rookie at these places and have been to many over the last 15 years of my life (usually going once a year, some years twice) , in different parts of the country as well as I have traveled for work. I do know that they want happy, repeat customers, but like I said this one felt different. Some of you on this board may not know this if you're younger but many of these woman are brought into the country and then have huge "debts" to pay off before being set free, so in many ways, they don't have any exit out. I've also read reports where some have married their customers as well and I would imagine if they can pull this off, then they can do what ever they want at that point. I'm not looking for this AT ALL as I have my own life, but this does kind of make me feel bad for them. Mind you, I've been to these places before and most likely will be back again as I really find them to be the biggest bang for your buck and a truly enjoyable experience all around. However, I do have a conscious and as I get older, I do think about their lives as well and what that must be like.

In Philly $160 is the standard AMP fee in Philly for 1 hr, no matter what happens. That's just the way it is."Availability" of CFS is the only guarantee which means if it doesn't happen, it's still $160. Your paying for time. If you see her again, you need to make it up to her and do it before rather than after. She actually might insist. She is paid by the hour and not by the job. There is no set rule, but 2 cups can cost extra. It is suggested that you negotiate before hand if you want multiple cups. If you manage to loose it in the shower, hang out for the rest of the time. At least that's what I would do. Alternatively you could negotiate the return of part of the compensation if you left, but don't expect it.

Exceeding an hour can cost you too. It seems to depend on a lot of things. The girl and how well you know the mamasan. I've had 1. 5 hr sessions with no fee increase. It's not the norm. At an hour, you could find mamsan banging on the door.

Only one AMP had a wierd policy based on 30 min. 45 min and 1 hr sessions which is out of character. Occasionally you can get short changed.

An AMP is not SW sex. It's more like incall escort without a table shower.

You said you didn't want to give her name be / see she may have done things she shouldn't have done. You are incorrect, you just got good service. Where you goofed was when you said Hana gave you a good TS. Telling us who gave good service will get her more clients. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Spazen;1279251]In Philly $160 is the standard AMP fee in Philly for 1 hr, no matter what happens.[/QUOTE]I'd like to respectfully disagree.

First, it doesn't sound right: imo, the only purely time-based part is the house fee which covers an hour (45 mins? Whatever it is) of their time, with a TS and a massage session included in it. Everything extra is non-time-related. That's the way I view it (subjective perhaps; it can certainly be wrong, though no masseuse ever told me it was). Now the part that doesn't come from me and is, thus, more objective: it's been a long time since I needed a menu in a place like that, but, going back many years, when I was given such, the price list was constructed according to services rendered, not time it took to render them. Sure, one thing may take less / more time than another, but that's kinda insignificant, a side effect with no bearing to the actual damage (within reason).

I think Malvo has just had a good experience, tipped very appropriately, and wrote a great review (thanks!). In my opinion, he did not goof up in any way.

I missed it.

[QUOTE=Malvo37;1279049]One note. There's something I normally do at these places that I think is a good practice. I take all the credit cards out of my wallet and only taken in the cash that I'm willing to spend. I don't know if they do this or not but I suspect there's a chance that mamasan may look into the wallet when you're in the shower to see how much you brought. For this reason, I only take what I'm willing to spend. Plus, it was good that I didn't have my credit cards on me as she probably would have had me put another. 20 on that, which would have been VERY BAD for my personal situation.[/QUOTE]I have no reason to think that anything like that ever happens. I know the fee is $160 I pay it up front just to eliminate the hassle. I usually tip an extra $20 also up front. It usually gets me much better service and a similar good experience like you had.

[QUOTE=Malvo37;1279049]Finally, it's strange but I think she really was interested in me. Mind you. I'm NOT a rookie at these places and have been to many over the last 15 years of my life (usually going once a year, some years twice) , in different parts of the country as well as I have traveled for work. I do know that they want happy, repeat customers, but like I said this one felt different. Some of you on this board may not know this if you're younger but many of these woman are brought into the country and then have huge "debts" to pay off before being set free, so in many ways, they don't have any exit out. I've also read reports where some have married their customers as well and I would imagine if they can pull this off, then they can do what ever they want at that point. I'm not looking for this AT ALL as I have my own life, but this does kind of make me feel bad for them. Mind you, I've been to these places before and most likely will be back again as I really find them to be the biggest bang for your buck and a truly enjoyable experience all around. However, I do have a conscious and as I get older, I do think about their lives as well and what that must be like.[/QUOTE]Don't believe all the crap you hear about the huge Debts and they are trapped in this. The Federal Gov. Has a program if they get caught they have 2 options: #1 get deported. #2 testify against the people who brought them here or they are working for, that they were victims of human trafficking "tricked in to be a prostitute". If they opt for #2 they then have an opportunity to become a US Citizen. It isn't too difficult to understand what option is more appealing.

Note: if it is local LE it is a different story. Every local AMP has to watch against how the girls get to their AMP, when they cross state lines. I did some research about the big AMP bust back in 2006, that involved 40 AMPs and the Korean taxi drivers pimping the girls across state lines. The attorney general of the US actually commented on the horror of how the girls were forced into this. It becomes an easy way to pick some low hanging fruit, to gain public support that they are actually doing something good and righteous, while the intercity kids drop out of school and kill each other selling drugs. Also it isn't difficult to get gals to make up the stories they want to hear, when presented with the options of get deported or testify and become a US citizen. I am not saying that there aren't situations where girls are tricked into this and held against their will but it sure is suspect when they have such a big carrot dangling in front of them to embellish the story about their situation and move towards a path of citizenship. The righteous sure don't want to hear that someone would actual choose of their own freewill to become a working girl. They are convinced that the only way it could happen is if they were tricked into it. It couldn't be a tax free high 5 figure or low 6 figure income!

I have found that the girls are trapped in this lifestyle in other ways. Trapped in to high end clothes, hand bags and jewelery. They get caught up in the lifestyle of Donald Trump and blow huge amounts of cash gambling. I know a girl that dropped $100, 000 in a bad weekend gambling, confirmed by her and her friend. It is easy come, easy go. I am not painting a glamorous life style that they live. It is a job to them. It is very competitive and the girls fight for customers. When they get older it becomes more difficult especially looking back at all the blown cash. Most didn't want to work this job for as long as they have. They are not machines and have the same emotional needs that every woman in this world has. Some do end up getting married to guys that were their customers. If they can put the past behind them who knows it might work out? It can be a lonely life with the cash to get caught up in the vices that tempt us all.

[QUOTE=Jumping Jim;1281568]The Federal Gov. Has a program if they get caught they have 2 options:[/QUOTE]Come on now. You're explaining this to johns and and you really think these girls are so well versed in US laws or trust law enforcement when they probably don't back home?

Although I don't normally ask, but once I did and I got that there was a bad business deal that she got involve in in Korea and she came here to earn money to pay off the bad debts. I can't remember the exact details, but someone else (male) was involved. Whether it was a relative, I can't remember.

Other's do come to earn money for their family in Korea.

Gambling does seem to be a big part of their lives.

[QUOTE=Trillian;1282044]Come on now. You're explaining this to johns and and you really think these girls are so well versed in US laws or trust law enforcement when they probably don't back home?[/QUOTE]That wasn't my point. The post I was replying to was about a guy feeling bad because he thought the girls were trapped or were forced in to this line of work. I have found illegals know quite a bit about immigration laws. They don't trust LE but they have lawyers that know how to work the system.

Anyone been to one in Huntingdon Valley?

I know people here ask about non Asian options and someone just told me about it. Senior members can PM me for the location (and hopefully they can report back)

[QUOTE=Jumping Jim;1282980]they have lawyers that know how to work the system.[/QUOTE]I'm with Jumping Jim here. It's business, and it works because there are ways to make it work. No need to overdramatize the situation.

[QUOTE=Big Dick Blak;1273924]First. Tried calling FCA to set up appointment. Only got answering machine, may not be open[/QUOTE]It's been currently shut down (I think there's been reports here about it). They've been quite resilient over the years, so one hopes they will be back. Always read reports before "going in".

[QUOTE=Jumping Jim;1271307]It is no secret, right now the gals make more money working in NYC. The base rate is $200 for a session. In Philly it is $160.[/quote]The cost of living is also much higher in NYC, and I think this is what accounts for the difference here. I didn't see their books, but I think, after expenses, they end up with about the same.

[quote]besides the bulk of them all live in the Flushing area anyways.[/QUOTE]Actually, that would be one reason to do it elsewhere.

Has anyone heard anything about FCA?

[QUOTE=Boise Tjd;1288040]Has anyone heard anything about FCA?[/QUOTE]Great organization. The Fellowship of Christian Athletes brings male and female athletes of the Christian religion together to improve their religious heritage.

Heard Fun City may be opening again, soon, at a new location. Nothing like a good massage after a FCA meeting.

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Went to this MP today the ad said. 4 for hr. Got there and wanted. 2 more. Then wanted tip gave her. 2 she said has to be way more then that. Ll I had was a. 5 gave that to her. Started the massage in her street clothes. Was going on and on about her cell phone needing to be charged, and how she was on a diet, hungry and did not want to eat pizza. She received 2 calls then asked for more tip. Then left room and brought in hot rocks placed them on my back and left for ten more minutes only to return asking me about if I thought her fb post to her cousin about his fathers death was appropriate and how she was so tired cus she has 4 kids and looked like another on the way. It was filthy!