Discretion is the better part of intelligence
Broome,
You have made my point for me, the only thing that 'in your face" posts are going to accomplish is damaging a lot of single mothers who are doing nothing to damage public safety or the sub-set of public safety, public health.
If someone has the irresistible urge to masturbate in public, they should try it at a shopping mall where they can reap the consequences, and not on an anonymous board at the expense of people trying to make an honest living while staying off of the public dole.
"I'm not saying we should dare the police to raid the place in our posts, but pretending they are clueless and that we must "keep the secret" to avoid the place getting busted is fairly ridiculous. If we go the way of some threads and limit the comments to the extent that no information is passed, then what is the point of this forum?"
'Within the Rules' - A Suggestion.
I've been an updated regular of the Belv/Rockford scene the last three years (moved back to the area after living in Phx, NorCal last 20 years) - so I have a few scenes to reference as comparison. A few observations I'd like to share
Here's what I've come to realize: In other areas of the country women are more forthcoming about the menu. Less give/take - 'here it is.' (I'm keeping things general on purpose - feel free to PM me if you'd like clarification/specifics)
Coming back to CLV/ERS after being away, you need to be abit more assertive, without being harsh/forceful. Here's what's worked for me:
(On the flip where you massage her on table - waiting until she's flipped on her back, I'll say "Hey I brought alittle more tip money with me today. I'd like to give you $100 to take those sexy bottoms off, have alittle more fun.") - Tactful, its an offer she can accept or decline, and keeps things going. Problem with other guys experiences - 'she only did this/that, so I only tipped .2 or .4' - is youre not seeing it from her perspective. Why should she give up extras if its not clear what she'll get for it? You offer something, tip when its over, and the girls will offer a few things not on 'the menu.' These women are almost innocent in that regard, waiting for you to take the initiative. Perhaps its the way its trained. I also think vibe is huge. Take the time to engage in small talk, even make a point of waiting for a follow up visit to escalate. (PUA talk I know. But that's how I treat it)
Lastly, again as a point of comparison, I should point out the reality that other places around the US the tips are certainly much higher - a dime or two. Tipping rates I'm seeing in this mkt are essentially what they were 20 years ago (put another way - 1-2 table dances?) - its an adult game, and yeah we are all tight from time to time, but c'mon. If you're really enjoying something special, know how much women appreciate alittle better tip and how much thatll impact your session
Again, PM me for specifics, I won't detail here. Just wanted to post a tip on a different script that's worked well for me
GG
Perhaps some clarification
While I kept my comments general, I thought I provided enough context to be helpful. Perhaps not.
1. I started my post with my personal point of reference, having lived 15 years in Phoenix and Northern California before moving back to this area (grew up here). I've also traveled extensively, and continue to (KS, IA, IN, OH, PA, AZ, TX, CA, NV, MN this year alone. Found a great place in the boonies of NV this Spring, offered great FS session for $160 out the door). Sure, you'll find places vary in service and price.
However,
2. Tips and rates haven't changed much at all at CLV/ERS since I first went to these places 20 years ago. I also understand traffic has dropped off, sometimes someone can work there the whole day without an appointment. I like the service at these places very much, and would like to do my part to ensure they stick around.
3. The larger point I was trying to make. I've read many reports about what you can expect. If you want that, or choose not to tip more than $20-. 4, that's your perogative. Standard tipping for a fbm, in many (sure, not all) areas I've been to is really more in the $100-$200 range.
4. Lastly. I kept my note general because this is a public post, but the comments I used offered her to take the bottoms off 'and have a little more fun. ' I apologize if that's vague, but I won't elaborate here. You're right. No more funds needed for a nude massage (I'm suggesting a different approach: assure them I intend to tip, and the amount. I'm certain they often don't get much more than their session split. That will improve the session)
I offer this as a point of comparison and insight, and firsthand experience for others who may not have that experience to reference. Of course one's personal cashflow or perspective may vary one's ultimate actionplan.
[QUOTE=Rubenme2]Depends on where you've been. The US is big and as a person who has been to 70% of the country I can tell you that not every place is more. Some are comparable or even less. It just depends on the market. And beleve me that no matter what the Bunny Ranch on HBO tries to tell you there are places in Nevada that are priced similar to Rockford. Same with LA. I generally check with guys on other boards before I travel to see what the rates and attitudes are in a given area.
No extra funds are needed for the bikini to fall at ERS but do show your appreciation as always.
But yeah small talk can go a long way[/QUOTE]
Head to Cest La Vie or Lingere Shops
It would be good to hear some reports of talent at CLV to drive business there and away from ERS. It is $10 cheaper for a session at CLV anyway.
As I posted previously, the owner at Executive refused to give me a refund despite only getting 20-25 minutes of time on my last session there with Diana. Diana was somewhat attractive and she clearly could be seductive, but I have a great gift of being able to read someone's "bluff" or in other world to see their true colors. It's was has made me a great novice/semi pro poker player who turned $10, 000 into $150, 000 in less than a year. I read deep down she despises her male counterparts, has a jaded spirit and is money hungry.
Anyway, 3 of the last 4 girls there were not able to produce a final result (only Ashley was able to) and the owner has choosen to lost my business and likely dozens of other men by my reports and word of mouth than to give me a refund. I told her she was a women of grave miscalculations!
WOW, she really must not have liked you
[QUOTE=Rainman200]It would be good to hear some reports of talent at CLV to drive business there and away from ERS. It is $10 cheaper for a session at CLV anyway.
As I posted previously, the owner at Executive refused to give me a refund despite only getting 20-25 minutes of time on my last session there with Diana. Diana was somewhat attractive and she clearly could be seductive, but I have a great gift of being able to read someone's "bluff" or in other world to see their true colors. It's was has made me a great novice/semi pro poker player who turned $10, 000 into $150, 000 in less than a year. I read deep down she despises her male counterparts, has a jaded spirit and is money hungry.
Anyway, 3 of the last 4 girls there were not able to produce a final result (only Ashley was able to) and the owner has choosen to lost my business and likely dozens of other men by my reports and word of mouth than to give me a refund. I told her she was a women of grave miscalculations![/QUOTE]
Although I have not been up there for quite a few months as work hasn't been plentiful out that way, Diana was my "go to" girl for the last 3-4 visits at ERS. I have not read another negative review on her in this forum...ever. I hope your luck improves in getting providers to open up to you and make you a winner at the massage table also.
Only reporting what happened
I do not appreciate being written against on this forum. I am only reporting what happened for the benefit or decision making purposes of other members.
I really wish their would be more reports about girls, positive or negative, to help choose the right girl(s). It is not a good thing to have a session with a girl that is not right for you.
I can see why guys would like diana, she was very experienced and seductive, but unfortunately my gift of people reading skills let me see into a darker side of her personality. I realize people have their own opinions, but I am rarely wrong in reading people and I have the results to back this up.
Never Had A Bad Session At ERS
I have been going to ERS for over twenty years and never had a bad experience. Some are better than others, but nothing as Rainman describes. I have seen Diana many times and have always had a great session with her. She never asks for a tip. I leave a resonable tip and that's it.
[QUOTE=Rainman200]I am not going cheap with the ladies; I was thinking of giving Diana a big tip until she went on and ended the session very early without delivering a full program or the final result.
Beyond playing poker I was in business and know it's about delivering results. This scamming and shorting BS won't go far. I am very sensitive about anyone making me look bad, and have zero tolerance for it. No if's or but's about it Diana and Executive made me look bad.
That's why I demanded a full refund. I don't care about the money but needed to be respected and send a message about not tolerating any nonsense.[/QUOTE]
