Rants and Stupid shit in Orange County

[QUOTE=JamesD2004;6849844]If you don't pay for premium, the free standard connectivity still works for navigation for 8 years. Theoretically, it could still connect to cell towers and use triangulation to get the location. It's not difficult to disable the LTE antenna. For a hobby with a going rate of $300 to $800 an hour, everything is possible. Wrapping with plastic and then copper tape will work if you leave out the heat sinks for air.

A Tesla can get an internet connection via wifi from a phone hotspot. It can be set up permanently with a dedicated phone. Most junks should work on the Tesla; they just need a data connection.

The OP appears to be a parking problem. Indeed you have to hide the location of the car while traveling. So you can take out the GPS antenna too. There are many gadgets to plug into the USB or connect wirelessly for navigation. I used a single Android phone app to run Android Auto on the Tesla screen via a phone hotspot connected to the Tesla browser. It's pretty much the same as other Android autos. There are carplay apps too. You can also set it up with a dedicated phone. There's no possible way for the car to get the location from the app.

It's not difficult to disable the GPS antenna in the rearview mirror on and off. Just find something to cover up the whole mirror with metal, hard or soft, and stick a mirror in front of it.[/QUOTE]All good stuff that will definitely work. By the same token, putting a lot of effort into disabling shit on your expensive EV isn't going to be most people's cup of tea.

The solution I've found is the getaround app, where you can rent cars from other individuals for a few hours for cheap. Chances are there's someone nearby whom has a car available. Going rates are $20 -$30 for a 3 hour rental. There's also zipcar but that isn't as prominent in SoCal as it is in other parts of the state.

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;6850366]All good stuff that will definitely work. By the same token, putting a lot of effort into disabling shit on your expensive EV isn't going to be most people's cup of tea.

The solution I've found is the getaround app, where you can rent cars from other individuals for a few hours for cheap. Chances are there's someone nearby whom has a car available. Going rates are $20 -$30 for a 3 hour rental. There's also zipcar but that isn't as prominent in SoCal as it is in other parts of the state.[/QUOTE]The price is surprising. It's perfect if you already have a car. The nearest is 20 miles from me for $4 an hour. There must be something wrong. I wouldn't want to rent out a clean and working car like that.

[QUOTE=JamesD2004;6850579]The price is surprising. It's perfect if you already have a car. The nearest is 20 miles from me for $4 an hour. There must be something wrong. I wouldn't want to rent out a clean and working car like that.[/QUOTE]Yeah, $4/ hr doesn't sound right. I'm not sure I'd rent a car for that price. It would be even harder to explain why you got stranded somewhere in some car that you rented for $4/ hr than trying to explain why you were where you shouldn't be in your normal car. I find that most of them are something like $30 for half a day. If you happen to live or work near someone who has a car available, it's a heck of a deal and probably the best way to go. Unfortunately it's not as prominent down here as it is in the Bay Area but some people might still get lucky and find there are options available for them.

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;6850872]Yeah, $4/ hr doesn't sound right. I'm not sure I'd rent a car for that price. It would be even harder to explain why you got stranded somewhere in some car that you rented for $4/ hr than trying to explain why you were where you shouldn't be in your normal car. I find that most of them are something like $30 for half a day. If you happen to live or work near someone who has a car available, it's a heck of a deal and probably the best way to go. Unfortunately it's not as prominent down here as it is in the Bay Area but some people might still get lucky and find there are options available for them.[/QUOTE]There used to be Home Depot trucks for $20/ hour. You say you need some nuts and screws, and drive to the Depot, Rent the truck, and drive over to the hoo-haw heaven for handy helping of happy time.

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;6850366]All good stuff that will definitely work. By the same token, putting a lot of effort into disabling shit on your expensive EV isn't going to be most people's cup of tea.

The solution I've found is the getaround app, where you can rent cars from other individuals for a few hours for cheap. Chances are there's someone nearby whom has a car available. Going rates are $20 -$30 for a 3 hour rental. There's also zipcar but that isn't as prominent in SoCal as it is in other parts of the state.[/QUOTE]I got a folding electric scooter in the trunk. You can go a couple of miles. You park at a mall oar hospital then scoot over a mile.

[QUOTE=DarkRoomDaddy;6852857]There used to be Home Depot trucks for $20/ hour. You say you need some nuts and screws, and drive to the Depot, Rent the truck, and drive over to the hoo-haw heaven for handy helping of happy time.[/QUOTE]That works if you don't need much more than an hour. The HD trucks are $20 just for the first hour and then something like $15 for every quarter hour after that. They're also first come first served. Any given HD will have one or two trucks available, so if you have a set appointment time that's an issue.

UHaul is notorious for that. You see UHaul pickup trucks and cargo vans all the time with huge "rent me for $19.95/ day" signs on them. The catch is it's $19.95/ day plus something like $0. 89 per mile, plus gas. The last time I rented a UHaul cargo van, which was a couple months ago, I drove it about 50 miles and it cost nearly $100 not including gas, and those things get horrendously bad gas mileage. I ended up putting over $50 worth of gas in it. I think I calculated somewhere around 10 mpg. The pickup trucks do a little better than that, but still a run to get some tail for an hour will cost close to $100.

When my SUV gave up the ghost I lost my hauling vehicle. My solution to that was to get the new Tesla with the towing package, so now anytime I need to haul something I just get a UHaul trailer which costs around $15/ day. So the HD truck option doesn't work for me, but I could see it being ideal for some.

[QUOTE=DarkRoomDaddy;6820367]Park at target and have a small collapsible scooter in the trunk to go half a mile down the road.[/QUOTE]Where is he going to hide the scooter, or what is the purpose of the scooter?

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;6849553]Tesla uses LTE for navigation, live maps, music streaming, and internet connectivity. That is all part of the premium connectivity package that you pay $9. 99/ month for. You can of course skip that, but the car is virtually freaking worthless without it. Well ok, you can live with out it, but that big nav screen without connectivity is just wasted space, and if you're taking longer road trips that navigation is essential since it knows the state of your vehicle in real time and where the superchargers are.

Driving with faraday bags over the mirrors isn't very practical, especially if you're trying to do something on the sly. The only real solution is to disable the mobile connectivity when you're on one of your special field trips, but then again anyone with access to the app can see that you disabled it.

Best solution IMO is to just not take the car anywhere that would be incriminating if someone with access to your app found you there. If that means parking somewhere innocuous and taking an uber, so be it.[/QUOTE]The only possible problem is leaving you phone inside the Tesla because you're not going to be able to leave at a fast food place or a store.

[QUOTE=Assaholic;6775775]So I've been seeing this woman for 6-7 years. She's in her late 30's early 40's, me breaking into my 60's. She's still attractive, has a nice bod, is very smart and has her own burliness, and is very amicable and has never said no to anything I asked her to do. Problem is she apparently doesn't cut it for Jr. Anymore. I don't know if it's me getting older or if it's the familiarity factor or something else. With her, Jr. Does wake up, puts out a valiant effort, but in a minute or two goes back to sleep and doesn't deliver the goods. Same Jr. Is a total party animal with other girls whom I find attractive and even some whom I don't. So at this point, I just want to break if off and go seek some greener pastures, but I want to do it as nicely as possible. I don't want to leave her on bad terms or hurt her feelings.

So, my question to the esteemed members here is: how do you break it off with your ATF?[/QUOTE]Just stop responding to her and if she continues to text / call then block her. If you see her somewhere don't talk to her, I thought this hobby was meant to be discreet. You don't own anyone anything and the truth is that there's no good way to end it. ALWAYS LIE, because if you tell her the truth, no matter how gentle, she will freak out in one way or another. These girls whole existence is there looks, went they go its hard on them. They will do crazy stuff, from my experience of course. Just tell her money is tight or your too old for it. She already saw Jr. Perform in person. No one beats father time.

Are you still working? If so, tell her you're being transferred far away or overseas. Give her a firm date. Have one last time with her and bring her a gift.

If you're retired, tell her you're moving out of state because it's too damn expensive here. You know the rest.

[QUOTE=Johnnyy7;6869269]Just stop responding to her and if she continues to text / call then block her. If you see her somewhere don't talk to her, I thought this hobby was meant to be discreet. You don't own anyone anything and the truth is that there's no good way to end it. ALWAYS LIE, because if you tell her the truth, no matter how gentle, she will freak out in one way or another. These girls whole existence is there looks, went they go its hard on them. They will do crazy stuff, from my experience of course. Just tell her money is tight or your too old for it. She already saw Jr. Perform in person. No one beats father time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DildoBaggens;6869568]Are you still working? If so, tell her you're being transferred far away or overseas. Give her a firm date. Have one last time with her and bring her a gift.

If you're retired, tell her you're moving out of state because it's too damn expensive here. You know the rest.[/QUOTE]First of all, glad to have you back. Yeah, I'm still working and have a couple more year to go before having enough saved to retire to SEA.

I have an incurable case of honesty and am not good at making up stuff. Plus, she's local, so I'm sure I'll run into her somewhere. I have stopped responding for a couple of months, but she still messages me once a week or so. We'll see how it goes.

[QUOTE=Johnnyy7;6869269]Just stop responding to her and if she continues to text / call then block her. If you see her somewhere don't talk to her, I thought this hobby was meant to be discreet. You don't own anyone anything and the truth is that there's no good way to end it. ALWAYS LIE, because if you tell her the truth, no matter how gentle, she will freak out in one way or another. These girls whole existence is there looks, went they go its hard on them. They will do crazy stuff, from my experience of course. Just tell her money is tight or your too old for it. She already saw Jr. Perform in person. No one beats father time.[/QUOTE]Father time hasn't caught up with me yet. Couple of days ago with pussy du jour, willy was happy as a clam and performed his duties like a champ. Provider was excellent. I couldn't ask for anything more. Thank god us men don't have menopause.

[QUOTE=Johnnyy7;6869269]Just stop responding to her and if she continues to text / call then block her. If you see her somewhere don't talk to her, I thought this hobby was meant to be discreet. You don't own anyone anything and the truth is that there's no good way to end it. ALWAYS LIE, because if you tell her the truth, no matter how gentle, she will freak out in one way or another. These girls whole existence is there looks, went they go its hard on them. They will do crazy stuff, from my experience of course. Just tell her money is tight or your too old for it. She already saw Jr. Perform in person. No one beats father time.[/QUOTE]Yeah its kind of a Western thing to talk things over, end nicely, remain friends, or be gentlemanly. In Asia they would just cut you off. Often with zero explanation. And even if there are feelings if there is a decision to split, bam its done. No hypothetical discussions about "what if". Etc. Just mve on.

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;6816665]The beater car that I was driving around town finally bit the dust. Ironically it broke down. Wife and I already knew we were on borrowed time with that car (15 years and 200 k miles) and decided a long time ago that we would replace it with a second Tesla when the time came. Awesome, except Teslas are trackable. The last thing I need is for my wife to open the app and see that the other car is in Little Saigon or at some random hotel.[/QUOTE]I have 3 signal blockers. Smallest one has no built in battery but is plugged in the cig lighter deep inside the center console or the glove compt. The range is only within the radius of the car. Blocks GPS and cell phone networks. I use it when I pick up a SW and it's funny when she tries to call her pimp and can't figure out why there are zero bars LOL.

The pics below is the medium sized one I use the most because it fits inside my pocket when I go to their incall. Effective range is just within the hotel room. Same thing, no internet or mobile network. Her incall is a dead zone as long as my pants are folded next to the room TV.

The biggest one I have is not portable, about the size of an old military walike-talkie with 6 long antennas on top. If I turn it on inside my hotel room waiting for a hoe doing outcall to me, the effective range is about 50 feet so think in 3 dimensions. Blocks CDM, GSM, 2-G, 5-G, GPS, Wifi, etc.

Hardest part for me is trying to contain my laughter watching the hoe I picked up to take to my hotel desperately trying to text or call. I had one girl stick her iPhone out the window ha ha ha. I just play dumb. My devices will block your Tesla and your wife will never know you spent an hour at an AMP in Westminster or Garbage Grove.

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;6816665]Technology giveth and technology taketh away.[/QUOTE]My other favorite quote is from the movie London Has Fallen when the kidnapped President said to the dudes about to livestream his execution: "Technology. Only as good as the dumbfucks who use it" LOL.

[QUOTE=AceMcNasty;6877614]I have 3 signal blockers. Smallest one has no built in battery but is plugged in the cig lighter deep inside the center console or the glove compt. The range is only within the radius of the car. Blocks GPS and cell phone networks. I use it when I pick up a SW and it's funny when she tries to call her pimp and can't figure out why there are zero bars LOL.

The pics below is the medium sized one I use the most because it fits inside my pocket when I go to their incall. Effective range is just within the hotel room. Same thing, no internet or mobile network. Her incall is a dead zone as long as my pants are folded next to the room TV.

The biggest one I have is not portable, about the size of an old military walike-talkie with 6 long antennas on top. If I turn it on inside my hotel room waiting for a hoe doing outcall to me, the effective range is about 50 feet so think in 3 dimensions. Blocks CDM, GSM, 2-G, 5-G, GPS, Wifi, etc.

Hardest part for me is trying to contain my laughter watching the hoe I picked up to take to my hotel desperately trying to text or call. I had one girl stick her iPhone out the window ha ha ha. I just play dumb. My devices will block your Tesla and your wife will never know you spent an hour at an AMP in Westminster or Garbage Grove.

My other favorite quote is from the movie London Has Fallen when the kidnapped President said to the dudes about to livestream his execution: "Technology. Only as good as the dumbfucks who use it" LOL.[/QUOTE]Cool stuff. I can see those coming in handy. Just don't get caught with them. Jamming signals is illegal as hell and carries stiff Federal penalties up to and including prison time if caught. Your chances of getting caught are of course extremely small, but definitely keep it on the down low.

[QUOTE=AceMcNasty;6877614]I have 3 signal blockers. Smallest one has no built in battery but is plugged in the cig lighter deep inside the center console or the glove compt. The range is only within the radius of the car. Blocks GPS and cell phone networks. I use it when I pick up a SW and it's funny when she tries to call her pimp and can't figure out why there are zero bars LOL.

The pics below is the medium sized one I use the most because it fits inside my pocket when I go to their incall. Effective range is just within the hotel room. Same thing, no internet or mobile network. Her incall is a dead zone as long as my pants are folded next to the room TV.

The biggest one I have is not portable, about the size of an old military walike-talkie with 6 long antennas on top. If I turn it on inside my hotel room waiting for a hoe doing outcall to me, the effective range is about 50 feet so think in 3 dimensions. Blocks CDM, GSM, 2-G, 5-G, GPS, Wifi, etc.

Hardest part for me is trying to contain my laughter watching the hoe I picked up to take to my hotel desperately trying to text or call. I had one girl stick her iPhone out the window ha ha ha. I just play dumb. My devices will block your Tesla and your wife will never know you spent an hour at an AMP in Westminster or Garbage Grove.

My other favorite quote is from the movie London Has Fallen when the kidnapped President said to the dudes about to livestream his execution: "Technology. Only as good as the dumbfucks who use it" LOL.[/QUOTE]Jesus. This guy GPS's. Reminds me when I used to carry multiple cell phones for multiple reasons.

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;6877828]Jamming signals is illegal as hell .[/QUOTE]Yeah no kidding.

I've been having problems keeping it up with protection on, so I've dipped into (so to speak) the Korean BB market. Thus, I thought I should look into PrEP. I thought my best chance of being treated with supreme confidentiality was an LBGTQ+ clinic, so I went to Radiant Health in Irvine. Big mistake. They're part of or at least share with UCI Health. When the nurse or whoever was interviewing me she pulled up my UCI records! I politely got up and left.

I guess now everyone in the UCI realm will see that I was doing something at an LBGTQ+ place. The whole idea is to hide this from my SO, who has refused sex for decades.

What a betrayal of my trust!

Since joining this fine community in 2008 I have never written a post in anger, until today. And I am really angry.

But, thanks guys for letting me blow off some steam in front of this audience of friends.

Lift Her Up.

[QUOTE=Assaholic;6870919]First of all, glad to have you back. Yeah, I'm still working and have a couple more year to go before having enough saved to retire to SEA.

I have an incurable case of honesty and am not good at making up stuff. Plus, she's local, so I'm sure I'll run into her somewhere. I have stopped responding for a couple of months, but she still messages me once a week or so. We'll see how it goes.

Father time hasn't caught up with me yet. Couple of days ago with pussy du jour, willy was happy as a clam and performed his duties like a champ. Provider was excellent. I couldn't ask for anything more. Thank god us men don't have menopause.[/QUOTE]Just keep trying anal. I pumped a gallon into a gal just to get her to dump. Me. Had ta put ear plugs in my nose.

My friend once asked what would I do if I found out my wife was born a man. I responded what does it matter if you're in love. I guess if you want children with your genes it can factor in what you would do.

Guess not exact same scenario but if you're having fun who cares. I assume you're not trying to have kids so that's not a factor. I haven't seen Amy so have no clue but I have visited Thailand for the last 10+ years and some ladyboys are gorgeous. If I wasn't in Thailand I wouldn't suspect their were ladyboys and they generally stick together w / the not so pretty ones too so easier to notice. But still a fun back or forth discussion I enjoyed like the last time this topic came up LOL.

[QUOTE=KalvinHobbs;6894344]My friend once asked what would I do if I found out my wife was born a man. I responded what does it matter if you're in love. I guess if you want children with your genes it can factor in what you would do.

Guess not exact same scenario but if you're having fun who cares. I assume you're not trying to have kids so that's not a factor. I haven't seen Amy so have no clue but I have visited Thailand for the last 10+ years and some ladyboys are gorgeous. If I wasn't in Thailand I wouldn't suspect their were ladyboys and they generally stick together w / the not so pretty ones too so easier to notice. But still a fun back or forth discussion I enjoyed like the last time this topic came up LOL.[/QUOTE]Idk, but I would be traumatized forever if I found out I had sex with a man. My testosterone levels would completely drop from the shock. Not something I would want my guy friends finding out about for sure. I have to uphold myself to some standards.

[QUOTE=Goku17;6894351]Idk, but I would be traumatized forever if I found out I had sex with a man. My testosterone levels would completely drop from the shock. Not something I would want my guy friends finding out about for sure. I have to uphold myself to some standards.[/QUOTE]Yeah maybe that answer was just the romantic in me but who knows how I would really react if faced with that scenario.

[QUOTE=Goku17;6894351]Idk, but I would be traumatized forever if I found out I had sex with a man. My testosterone levels would completely drop from the shock. Not something I would want my guy friends finding out about for sure.[/QUOTE]FYI, last time we got started on this topic the admin deleted every comment. So don't want do sidetrack things just add a friendly insight about wanting what you want.

If you cannot tell a girl was born a man, she is beautiful and you enjoy your company, then I'd happily do it again. I will go further and say if she is at least a 7, I'd rather pay to have sex with her, than be paid myself to have sex with an ugly woman.

The only woman I know of like this, she was an 8 or 9. She's a model right now, appeared in a Thai drama. You cannot tell, not even by pussy. And I'd rather fuck her than 80% of women (to be clear rated 6 and under), who are fat, ugly, or at best plain. You couldn't pay me $1000 to sleep with an ugly woman (4 and under).

I have a list of 50+ women I've tried, and she is ranked #11. Kiko / Tomi / Pink is ranked #7, Mari / Namiko ranked #9 for comparison.

No judgement to those who are disgusted, I get it. Society puts a lot of tabboos out there and you are free to embrace it or not. That said, you are in charge of how you feel and are so don't let anyone else shame you for it.

[QUOTE=FreeWally;6894362]FYI, last time we got started on this topic the admin deleted every comment. So don't want do sidetrack things just add a friendly insight about wanting what you want.

If you cannot tell a girl was born a man, she is beautiful and you enjoy your company, then I'd happily do it again. I will go further and say if she is at least a 7, I'd rather pay to have sex with her, than be paid myself to have sex with an ugly woman.

The only woman I know of like this, she was an 8 or 9. She's a model right now, appeared in a Thai drama. You cannot tell, not even by pussy. And I'd rather fuck her than 80% of women (to be clear rated 6 and under), who are fat, ugly, or at best plain. You couldn't pay me $1000 to sleep with an ugly woman (4 and under).

I have a list of 50+ women I've tried, and she is ranked #11. Kiko / Tomi / Pink is ranked #7, Mari / Namiko ranked #9 for comparison.

No judgement to those who are disgusted, I get it. Society puts a lot of tabboos out there and you are free to embrace it or not. That said, you are in charge of how you feel and are so don't let anyone else shame you for it.[/QUOTE]I have spent a lot of time in Bangkok, I don't judge guys who are open to experiences like this it's just not our niche.

That said, more than once I've been walking down Sukhamvit saw some ladyboy and thought "it should be illegal for a guy to look that hot. ".

A2.

Lend me some perspective guys.

Seen this woman several times. Last time I went, I heard some music playing from the side of the bed, in the gap between the bed and wall. I peeked over and saw another woman, younger-- maybe 20-22-- watching videos on her phone, laying on the ground.

Seems like her coworker / daughter / whoever didn't want to wait outside so she just hid herself poorly.

At the time I was weirded out but kind of drunk, so I rolled with it. Though the second nut was a little difficult to bust.

That said, there's a reason I saw this woman as many times as I did and honestly, I want to go back.

After that awkward experience I swore I wouldn't return but. You know how it is.

My question for you all is, would this be a deal breaker? Would I be a sucker for going back, or is it no big deal? I've had a woman's friend wait in the bathroom before but on the ground by the side of the bed was a new experience.

[QUOTE=Rgk1015;6904882]Lend me some perspective guys.

Seen this woman several times. Last time I went, I heard some music playing from the side of the bed, in the gap between the bed and wall. I peeked over and saw another woman, younger-- maybe 20-22-- watching videos on her phone, laying on the ground.

Seems like her coworker / daughter / whoever didn't want to wait outside so she just hid herself poorly.

At the time I was weirded out but kind of drunk, so I rolled with it. Though the second nut was a little difficult to bust.

That said, there's a reason I saw this woman as many times as I did and honestly, I want to go back.

After that awkward experience I swore I wouldn't return but. You know how it is.

My question for you all is, would this be a deal breaker? Would I be a sucker for going back, or is it no big deal? I've had a woman's friend wait in the bathroom before but on the ground by the side of the bed was a new experience.[/QUOTE]Hold up. So she was near you on the ground and you just jerked off? If that's the case stop that shit and socialize with her dude.

[QUOTE=Rgk1015;6904882]Lend me some perspective guys.

Seen this woman several times. Last time I went, I heard some music playing from the side of the bed, in the gap between the bed and wall. I peeked over and saw another woman, younger-- maybe 20-22-- watching videos on her phone, laying on the ground.

Seems like her coworker / daughter / whoever didn't want to wait outside so she just hid herself poorly.

At the time I was weirded out but kind of drunk, so I rolled with it. Though the second nut was a little difficult to bust.

That said, there's a reason I saw this woman as many times as I did and honestly, I want to go back.

After that awkward experience I swore I wouldn't return but. You know how it is..[/QUOTE]Why don't you just ask your lover who the other woman is? My guess is a roommate. She might also be a coworker. This might be an opportunity for a threesome if you are into that. If the other woman's presence bothers you, you can ask your friend for more privacy.

[QUOTE=BSouthgate;6905425]Why don't you just ask your lover who the other woman is? My guess is a roommate. She might also be a coworker. This might be an opportunity for a threesome if you are into that. If the other woman's presence bothers you, you can ask your friend for more privacy.[/QUOTE]I think you are right. The lady is middle-age so I was a little weirded out by the idea that her college-age daughter was just hanging out on the ground near the bed as I went to town on her mom. It seems a bit more likely she's just a coworker.

[QUOTE=Kingsli;6905393]Hold up. So she was near you on the ground and you just jerked off? If that's the case stop that shit and socialize with her dude.[/QUOTE]Not quite. It was a hotel room with two beds. We were on the bed closer to the back of the room. Between the bed and the wall of the room, there was about a 1. 5 foot gap. After the first round, before the second, I heard music from the side of the bed and thought my phone fell down or something. I looked over the side of the bed and the girl was laying down on her back on the ground, fully clothed, looking at her phone. She didn't see me. I didn't say anything and stayed on the bed. The woman I came to see started touching me pretty soon after so I just sort of ignored it.

[QUOTE=Rgk1015;6904882]
Seen this woman several times. Last time I went, I heard some music playing from the side of the bed, in the gap between the bed and wall. I peeked over and saw another woman, younger-- maybe 20-22-- watching videos on her phone, laying on the ground.
[/QUOTE]Who is this? Booker? Some of us might want to see. Might be an unaddressed kink!

I went back. My package is sore.

Went into her new hotel room ready to check behind the bed, but the gap was empty this time. Went to the bathroom, and when I saw the shower curtain drawn, I had a feeling that the bathtub was the hider's new spot.

I always like to wash up a bit even though I had just showered, so I pulled the curtain back to wet a towel. Yep, she's there again. Got a better look this time and I think she's actually somewhere in her late 30's. Wearing obvious hooker attire.

The lady first told me (through Google Translate) "sorry, we are sharing a room due to cost," and later elaborated that it was her friend from Spain on vacation. That part seemed like a weird fib-- maybe she thought it would make me more comfortable. She was pretty obviously a coworker sharing a room, but whatever.

I was totally fine with her sequestered in the bathtub-- knowing now that the mystery woman was indeed not her daughter, waiting for her mom to finish getting pounded. Something about the odd situation made it hotter for me so as I said, I left extra sore. I had a hard time walking down the stairs. I guess the lesson is to keep an open mind?

[QUOTE=Rgk1015;6904882]Lend me some perspective guys.

Seen this woman several times. Last time I went, I heard some music playing from the side of the bed, in the gap between the bed and wall. I peeked over and saw another woman, younger-- maybe 20-22-- watching videos on her phone, laying on the ground.

Seems like her coworker / daughter / whoever didn't want to wait outside so she just hid herself poorly.

At the time I was weirded out but kind of drunk, so I rolled with it. Though the second nut was a little difficult to bust.

That said, there's a reason I saw this woman as many times as I did and honestly, I want to go back.

After that awkward experience I swore I wouldn't return but. You know how it is.

My question for you all is, would this be a deal breaker? Would I be a sucker for going back, or is it no big deal? I've had a woman's friend wait in the bathroom before but on the ground by the side of the bed was a new experience.[/QUOTE]What's the harm? What you don't like about it? This is unique but wanting to stay in the bathroom with or without permission is much more common. I always turn them down. Escorts never do that. SW much more often when they are traveling. But it's a security risk as the other may go through your belongings or open the door for someone else.

It's safer working and traveling in pairs or more. But it's a hassle sharing a room doing it all day, finding another place to sit for an hour. Depending on time and place, it may not be safe to hang out alone.

It's a kind of disrespect. But in a safe hotel and you know they are not plotting something, I'm fine with it.

Time for a threesome. ?

[QUOTE=Rgk1015;6906143]I went back. My package is sore.

Went into her new hotel room ready to check behind the bed, but the gap was empty this time. Went to the bathroom, and when I saw the shower curtain drawn, I had a feeling that the bathtub was the hider's new spot.

I always like to wash up a bit even though I had just showered, so I pulled the curtain back to wet a towel. Yep, she's there again. Got a better look this time and I think she's actually somewhere in her late 30's. Wearing obvious hooker attire.

The lady first told me (through Google Translate) "sorry, we are sharing a room due to cost," and later elaborated that it was her friend from Spain on vacation. That part seemed like a weird fib-- maybe she thought it would make me more comfortable. She was pretty obviously a coworker sharing a room, but whatever.

I was totally fine with her sequestered in the bathtub-- knowing now that the mystery woman was indeed not her daughter, waiting for her mom to finish getting pounded. Something about the odd situation made it hotter for me so as I said, I left extra sore. I had a hard time walking down the stairs. I guess the lesson is to keep an open mind?[/QUOTE]I would insist that the girl in the tub join the fun. I would offer either no additional tip or only a small one, say 40. Otherwise, I would walk away. I bet that they would accept this deal. Was your target lady a SW or an escort?

This is in response to post 36576 In the MP thread by HoDough, the gonorrhea scare. This is called NGU, non-gonococcal urethritis. It's any infection in the urinary tract that is not the clap.

Back in 1981 a civvy I was seeing for sex told me she had NGU and she might have gotten it from me, or one of the other two guys she was seeing. I said well I don't think but maybe so I'll get myself checked. I didn't have it. But I did gain status with her because the other two guys swore up and down that it couldn't possibly have been them, I was the only one to fess up that there was a bit of a chance it was me. Hahaha.

Pardon me for tooting my own horn but I've never told this story before and this is the only forum I might do that in.

Lift Her Up.

Do the hookers sometimes really enjoy sex? This has been discussed in a few points recently in the MP thread.

My contribution to the discussion is to suggest two books. The first is Martha Stein, Lovers friends slaves, the nine male sexual types and their psycho-sexual transactions with call girls. Stein says she observed about 3,000 sex acts, perhaps exceeding Masters and Johnson's record. The second is Alexa Albert, Brothel, the Mustant Ranch and its women.

I put a lot of credence in women who have spend a whole lot of time with sex workers, talking with them.

Lift Her Up.

[QUOTE=LiftHerUp;6929129]Do the hookers sometimes really enjoy sex? This has been discussed in a few points recently in the MP thread.

My contribution to the discussion is to suggest two books. The first is Martha Stein, Lovers friends slaves, the nine male sexual types and their psycho-sexual transactions with call girls. Stein says she observed about 3,000 sex acts, perhaps exceeding Masters and Johnson's record. The second is Alexa Albert, Brothel, the Mustant Ranch and its women.

I put a lot of credence in women who have spend a whole lot of time with sex workers, talking with them.

Lift Her Up.[/QUOTE]Long ago, an ex-hooker wrote a book, The Happy Hooker, and became a sex columnist in Penthouse. Xaviera Hollander. Consult her writings.

[QUOTE=LiftHerUp;6929129]Do the hookers sometimes really enjoy sex? This has been discussed in a few points recently in the MP thread.

My contribution to the discussion is to suggest two books. The first is Martha Stein, Lovers friends slaves, the nine male sexual types and their psycho-sexual transactions with call girls. Stein says she observed about 3,000 sex acts, perhaps exceeding Masters and Johnson's record. The second is Alexa Albert, Brothel, the Mustant Ranch and its women.

I put a lot of credence in women who have spend a whole lot of time with sex workers, talking with them.

Lift Her Up.[/QUOTE]I've read various articles where sex workers were interviewed. Some of them, most notably the higher end escorts, do enjoy the sex. Some will even claim that they actually orgasm during sessions. Others are just cum buckets. It's hard to imagine an AMP girl who spreads her legs 10 times a day actually enjoying it, and the majority probably don't. But on the flip side I could see a $300/ hour escort who only sees a handful of guys per week enjoying at least some of the sex. The spectrum is pretty broad.

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;6929191]I've read various articles where sex workers were interviewed. Some of them, most notably the higher end escorts, do enjoy the sex. Some will even claim that they actually orgasm during sessions. Others are just cum buckets. It's hard to imagine an AMP girl who spreads her legs 10 times a day actually enjoying it, and the majority probably don't. But on the flip side I could see a $300/ hour escort who only sees a handful of guys per week enjoying at least some of the sex. The spectrum is pretty broad.[/QUOTE]I haven't seen her in about 10-12 years now, but VietKim certainly liked to have sex. I asked her if she had orgasms occasionally, and she said she did. Her eyes would roll back into her head, and if she was faking it, she should win an Oscar.

[QUOTE=LiftHerUp;6929129]Do the hookers sometimes really enjoy sex? This has been discussed in a few points recently in the MP thread.

My contribution to the discussion is to suggest two books. The first is Martha Stein, Lovers friends slaves, the nine male sexual types and their psycho-sexual transactions with call girls. Stein says she observed about 3,000 sex acts, perhaps exceeding Masters and Johnson's record. The second is Alexa Albert, Brothel, the Mustant Ranch and its women.

I put a lot of credence in women who have spend a whole lot of time with sex workers, talking with them.

Lift Her Up.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing.

I am a retired scientist and have used the scientific method in all aspects of life. This includes sex with prostitutes. Prostitution is a subject that should be approached objectively and without bias. Unfortunately, so many "scholarly" reports on this subject are written through a highly biased lens and with a biased agenda. The lens is that female prostitutes are victims of evil men, and the agenda is to eliminate prostitution somehow.

Encyclopedia Britannica: Prostitution is the practice of engaging in indiscriminate sexual activity with someone who is not a spouse or a friend in exchange for immediate payment in money or other valuables. Prostitutes may be female or male, and prostitution may entail heterosexual or homosexual activity, but historically, most prostitutes have been women, and most clients are men.

Prostitution is not purchasing women or their bodies or the use of their bodies. It is the exchange of money for sexual services. When I pay for a haircut, I am not buying the barber's hands. When I pay for a hand job, I am not buying the masseuse's hands. I am paying them for their skill and service.

Do hookers enjoy sex with clients? From my experience, sometimes yes and sometimes no. Probably more yes than no. But, as a scientist, I go to the data.

There are many carefully done survey research studies showing that women in all parts of the world engage in prostitution because it is both lucrative and pleasurable work. For example:

[URL]https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...nxYFknDvYOzRKo[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cogitatiopress.com/socia...view/2644/1517[/URL]

[URL]https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...23Rt8pXdpnrhiw[/URL]

These reports confirm that hookers report considerable enjoyment from their work. One study elaborated on the kind of sex that Chinese street girls performed with their customers. The girls rated cunnilingus and vaginal sex with clients as almost always enjoyable and fellatio as sometimes enjoyable.

Here is a video of a Chinese street pro and her customer enjoying sex in a run-down brothel room.

[URL]https://www.homepornking.com/video/6...0/777520/?th=1[/URL]

Larry Horse, a user of the porn tube site Xh. Ter, used a novel research approach to study this issue. Horse asked X. Ter users to view videos showing hookers' faces while they had sex with clients (Group 1) and the faces of wives having sex with their husbands (Group 2). Horse did not tell the users which women were in either group. The 118 viewers answered the question: "Is she enjoying or is she faking enjoyment?" The viewers did not know which faces represented hookers and which represented wives.

Furthermore, according to Horse, most of the wives and hookers were unaware of being imaged during their sexual experiences, so they were not performing for the camera like pornstars.

The results of this excellent research study showed that prostitutes do generally enjoy sex with their clients and that their enjoyment is not less than that of wives with their husbands. I urge you all to read the entire study report here:

[URL]https://xhamster.com/users/larryhorse[/URL]

It is interesting to view one of the hooker videos that Larry Horse used for this epic study:

[URL]https://motherless.com/A66DE5E[/URL]

And to view one of the wife videos:

[URL]https://xhamster.com/videos/chinese-...action-1218557[/URL]

Judge for yourselves which woman is enjoying her sexual experience more, the hooker or the wife.

Do clients enjoy that the hookers are enjoying? Or why should we, who are buying the service, care about the enjoyment of the seller?

Based on conversations with dozens of these women and reading the reports in this and other fora, I am sure most punters want their partners to enjoy. If not, there would not be so much DATY. What is the point of going down on a potentially stinky part of a woman's body if not to make her convulse in orgasmic joy?

There is a potential evolutionary reason for our wanting our hooker partners to enjoy their encounters with us. In humans, sex has been shown to have a bonding as well as a reproductive function. See, for example, the excellent book by Christopher Ryan:

[URL]https://www.amazon.com/Sex-Dawn-Stray-Modern-Relationships-ebook/dp/B007679QTG[/URL]

This book is free on Kindle. When we fuck, even with a hooker, we instinctively want to create a lasting bond with our partner.

Thank you for reading this. I would love to get more input from my brothers.

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;6929191]I've read various articles where sex workers were interviewed. Some of them, most notably the higher end escorts, do enjoy the sex. Some will even claim that they actually orgasm during sessions. Others are just cum buckets. It's hard to imagine an AMP girl who spreads her legs 10 times a day actually enjoying it, and the majority probably don't. But on the flip side I could see a $300/ hour escort who only sees a handful of guys per week enjoying at least some of the sex. The spectrum is pretty broad.[/QUOTE]Well how would we feel doing this same job? We all love a good session. So what if MMS said that we could get a job. Every Asian woman who came in, we had to flirt with her, and get turned on, and give her an orgasm. Most assuredly, these customers are not going to be 25 year old super models. They are more like 50 year old plain janes packing a dozen or two extra pounds. Half a dozen of them come in a day. And if we are not nice and flirty with them, they might give a $20 tip or even a dine-and-dash. How much do you think we would enjoy that sex? And now imagine doing it for years. Maybe never having any woman we were actually attracted to. And feeling guilty that we are selling our bodies rather than doing honorable work. How much job satisfaction would we have?

I knew a woman who dated a gynecologist. A guy who inspects pussies all day long. Well he had a hard time getting aroused. In his particular case, he liked slapping this girl across the face during sex, and probably some more serious S&M. She didn't find out, because she called me to pick her up and help her get out of that situation.

I lived in OC for a bit when I was a teenager and still have friends there, so I check in on this board and post reviews about my experiences when I am there. But I'm curious about some history in the area. For the older mongers, how did you guys find out about spots in OC before this board existed and how did you know what to pay?