"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1804922]If you think too hard on your CPO, then you may miss these little touches which will give you a lot of return in the long run.[/QUOTE]I am mostly a once a day man. Sometimes 2. Today I didn't even finish. So I don't think in terms of CPO. But I do think in terms of Cost per day. Being single does make it different. There are choices out there and different scenarios. Something for everyone. And thats a good thing. I can only relate my situation. But I am interested in all the situations I read about. Thanks for the clarification.

I will say that at $$$ a day I would expect to have a perfect day with a hot girl. Anything less and I would walk immediately. At $ it can be less than perfect but at the moment I have a good group of girls.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1804863]I guess it all comes down to how many days a month you want to devote to your girls. For me it's almost everyday so I have to keep the costs down and focus more on skills and real chemistry even if I have to give up a little on looks or variety. At $$$ a visit I would be bangin nothing but model 10's and 10 different ones a month. But I can't afford that. It all comes down to what you can afford.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=John G Smith;1804922]We are Sugar Daddies after all. If we find a SB we truly like then we shouldn't be penny pinching to a fault. We should try to make her happy, so she'll make us happy. And it doesn't mean just giving $$$ a visit. It may mean still giving 150 but also having enough available to buy some nice flowers and a gift. If you think too hard on your CPO, then you may miss these little touches which will give you a lot of return in the long run.[/QUOTE]I think there is a whole lot to be said for both of these points. If I could find even three of the quality that HG has lined up who would be happy with LT sugar at a lower level, that would be perfect and I would probably cut way back on looking for new. That being said, I think I have lost out on a couple of really good candidates by going in too low, so I am trying to be judicious based on what I think the return is going to be. I am meeting my Korean / Caucasian mix girl for a second dinner tonight. She seems to be the real deal, so I am going to try hard and see what it will take to keep her around. JGS makes a good point, need to consider quality and not just CPO.

The flip side of both of these approaches is the fact that we all enjoy the thrill of the chase and the "I'd rather fuck a 6 three times than a 10 once" viewpoint. Sometimes I get in that mode, too.

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1804634]This is what I am thinking about texting her.

"Sofia I am concerned about you being sad about the amount of the sugar and like I said I really do not want you to be sad. However I am also concerned that there appears to be communication issues between us. I had expressed to you how important communication is to me. You could have emailed me at any time to let me know about your phone problems. And I have been unable to get you on the phone. I believe it may be better if you reconsider whether you still want to continue with me. We do not need to rush into this. I have someone that is anxious to meet with me on Wednesday and we can take our time when you are not so busy and we can talk about it. I look forward to hearing from you."

So what do you guys think?[/QUOTE]This paragraph will be hurtful to Sofia. It has one token sentence for her followed by seven sentences that deflect from Sofia's concern about the sugar. This doesn't make for good bedfellows. Revvo also makes it clear he has other irons in the fire and doesn't need Sofia which she will take as having her nose rubbed into it, to-wit:

[QUOTE=Revvo;1804634]I have someone that is anxious to meet with me on Wednesday[/QUOTE]The lowest [I]uncommon[/I] denominator is Revvo doesn't need her. I used to post quite often we must get along naturally or it won't work. I see nothing remotely close to getting along naturally here. The best way to end a discussion going south is with silence. This is best for Sofia and much kinder than the paragraphs quoted above.

P.S. I do not agree with others posting that Sofia has GPS. We don't know what she wants. All we know is she was not happy with 150. That's no indication of GPS.

GUys these answers are some great responses particularly I enjoyed John G. 's analysis. Because it so much paralleled my experience and how I am feeling.

I too go through these same emotions and have the same desires for a quality ATF experience and I sometimes wonder if I sabotage myself when I get too locked down in the pursuit of the next baby instead of focusing on my ATF.

These really help.

I will let you know what happens.

Revvo

[QUOTE=Golfcart;1804996]P.S. I do not agree with others posting that Sofia has GPS. We don't know what she wants. All we know is she was not happy with 150. That's no indication of GPS.[/QUOTE]Sounds like GPS to me, she not only wants more $$$$, she wants him to add more $$$$ to the 1st fucking.

Some Will.

Some Won't.

So What.

Next

[QUOTE=BikeRider;1804829]If anyone wants to give her a run, PM me and I'll point you to her ad on SD4M.[/QUOTE]A little off topic, but do you guys prefer the boobs big and squished together or smaller and separated? Or some other combo? I prefer smaller and separated, push up bras are cool, but only pushed up not squished together.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1805240]A little off topic, but do you guys prefer the boobs big and squished together or smaller and separated? Or some other combo? I prefer smaller and separated, push up bras are cool, but only pushed up not squished together.[/QUOTE]The picture in BR's post looked really good to me. I like tight. No belly fat, no jiggly thighs. I'm ok with relatively small boobs in exchange for that. Not a big fan of aftermarket boobs, but when the OEM equipment runs flat, I guess sometimes they add esthetic value.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1805240]A little off topic, but do you guys prefer the boobs big and squished together or smaller and separated? Or some other combo? I prefer smaller and separated, push up bras are cool, but only pushed up not squished together.[/QUOTE]I'm an equal opportunity breast man. But, I have to say the Vet's were some of the nicest I've seen. She claims they're natural. Pity I didn't get a chance to confirm.

Revvo: It is a tricky problem to have. Make sure that you keep in mind your ultimate goal and be as smooth as possible getting to that. If the goal is to get her at a price that you can afford, then check what you can afford and offer it to her and move on. If the goal is to get her as cheap as possible, try that, but know there is risk involved. Whatever the goal, be diligent and check to see if your words will compromise that goal.

I have spent a lot of time in the $150 or less per visit range. As I came across so many flakes, I decided that if the sex was going to be mediocre and the passion was going to be limited, then I'd go for quantity. However, I've always had my eye open for quality. I've been prepared to kick out the 1000+ per month for the right quality. But because of that amount and my ability to have such variety and fun with the lower quality ones, to make that kind of commitment, then I need the ability to see a person at least 6 times a month with one to two overnights thrown in there.

So as stated before, there are times where we may be on either side of the fence on that topic. Overall, I prefer when I have that one with high quality in all areas and I'm willing to up my sugar accordingly. In the end, a few hundred per month should not keep a true SD away from the woman who meets all of his qualifications. When she feels appreciated appropriately, it usually results in lots of positives for the SD.

Assuming that the sex is fine, I'm getting into my first full blown arrangement in a long time with MsLatinaCoed. She's beautiful, sexy, smart, etc. She is a top quality SB. To the point where I had to make some tough decisions on how to handle her, this includes giving a certain amount upfront. I was at first hesitant, but I knew I was upgrading my talent and there are costs that come with that. Once she agreed to meet at least twice a week and weekends away, then I knew the money would actually be less than what I normally spend.

So I'm taking the leap of faith and giving her 1/2 of the monthly allowance today and the other 1/2 on the 15th. This is a happy medium for us both. If I'm right I'll be at $.25 per meeting without hotel costs and minimum dating costs. It's just out of my comfort zone to give this amount in advance. She's told me that after I pay on the first by the time she finishes with me, I'll definitely be paying the allowance on the 15th. If I'm wrong I'm out of $$$$$ and I'm back to having no faith in the human race, LOL. It's a classic case of trusting intuition. However full disclosure, I've lost more with my intuition before. I have her name, address, bank account, etc. I've not picked up on any of the normal red flags.

In Closing (In my best Jerry Springer Voice)

Sometimes we have to get out of our financial comfort zone for the truly high quality SBs. Yet even when she's staring us in the face, we are wired to be skeptical yet optimistic. Each action runs the risk of us being in emotional and physical bliss, squandering the opportunity for such or being taken for our hard earned cash. As SDs, we are constantly seeking the balance of trust and money, this is an inexact science and there isn't a rule book for every situation. At minimum we can hope to minimize financial damage and have some great stories to tell. This is why we have the board and each other here.

BigTigg

I'd like to refer my friends here to a post I did in the Shenandoah area:

[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2699-Central-Northern-Shenandoah-Valley&p=1805540&viewfull=1#post1805540[/url]

It refers to a girl who has been in the SB world but now seems to be leaning into the selective hooker world with GPS.

Regards.

GW

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1799564]As if the preggo Sicilian MILF wasn't enough to drained me, I have this MILF lined up for later this week.

25 yr old white MILF. Recently separated. Lonely, horny, and hungry for cock. And also need a little financial help. Sounds like a perfect recipe to me. No sugar amount was ever discussed, but the expectation is she'll be sucking and fucking like crazy.

I am still very envy of you guys with all the free time you have. Those 18/19 yr old pussies still elude me. They require time to be picked up, drive around town to dinners, drive to FC, and then drive back home.

That's a lot of driving which I simply do not have the time for.

I always try to set up first date at the FC, and I've been quite successful with the MILFs and older girls that have their own transportation.

Keep posting gentlemen, I love hearing your adventures / conquests.

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[ATTACH=CONFIG]257123[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]Met up with this HYM last week.

Showed up at the appointed time at the FC. Upon opening up the door, I almost had an instant hard on. She showed up with this black / red, body hugging mini dress (with no undies, which I found out later).

And she was a tall girl. Now I am a little guy, about 5'4 and she's almost 5'7, probably close to 5'9 with her high heels on. She immediately took off her heels as I jokingly said I felt like a midget. LOL, nice gal.

I managed to have small talks for about 10-15 minutes, then had her got up on the bed so I can take some pics. Soon after, I had my cock in her mouth. You gents know the rest. I am terrible at story telling so I'll spare you all the pain of having to read my long ass boring post.

Spent about an hour together and left $ with her on the way out.

Now, this is something that happens to me for the first time. About an hour after we parted, she txt me to say thanks and hope that I had a great time, which I replied yes I did and look forward to seeing her again.

The next day she txt me and said she likes to have $$.5 the next time, and I politely stated that it's not within my budget and she directed me back to her profile which she said that she was seeking $1k a month. Then I again politely told her that I don't pay attention to those requested allowances because girls put ridiculous amount in there and that she should have clarified with me before we met and I apologize for the confusion. I then wish her luck, and ended at that.

Then the next day she said she would like to see me again and she wouldn't expect more than what I've given her, until she could find an arrangement that is better. Got that? She'll fuck me for less until some prince shows up with a bigger coffer. LOL.

I don't know if I will be seeing her again. She gave me a bad vibe, and she made herself looks like a semi-pro / UTR type. But I am still tempted to hit that again as she was quite good in bed and up for anything I wanted.

I don't know what's up with these young single moms, but they are genuinely horny and very enthusiastic in bed. Not to mention, still pretty tight after popping out babies.

Oh, did I mentioned she's Italian? French/Italian to be exact. So I've been banging Italian HYMs as of late. My luck I guess.



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On a whim, I'm going out to Sin City for a few days, as a Vegas first timer. Already making contact with some potentials through SA, looking to find a playmate or two while I'm out there. Have some promising leads, will give further reports as time permits.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1805745]But I am still tempted to hit that again as she was quite good in bed and up for anything I wanted.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]258800[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]Go for it. She may be around for weeks or months. And then you are always a good fallback for her even if she does find someone else. And then you can both get a good laugh when she tells about her big time sugar daddies that she doesn't like but just takes the money. So if she likes you, stay the course.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;1805776]On a whim, I'm going out to Sin City for a few days, as a Vegas first timer. Already making contact with some potentials through SA, looking to find a playmate or two while I'm out there. Have some promising leads, will give further reports as time permits.[/QUOTE]Check out the ones that say they live in North Las Vegas. Lots of HCB's over there.

I have an X SB that always calls me for advice. I met her just as she was going from giving it away free to non pro status (I was her first SD). Typical hot early thirties gal (8/10/9/10) that can't get enough. Her current lineup.

1. A so called real BF that has no clue what she does. He civi dates her like any upscale young man would. She tells me she is in love with him.

2. A 40's SD that she is HOT for that pays $ or $$ per date. She will run to fuck him anytime he calls which is a couple times a month.

3. A 40's sugar couple that pays $$$ per date. They have to beg to see her once a week.

4. A 50's SD that she is NOT attracted to at all. $$$$$ per date. He has to beg on his hands and knees to see her.

She is totally UTR and only works by natural selection or referral (she is not on any sites). So when you meet these girls be aware that they may and do have a lot going on sometimes no matter what they say. Her pricing is perfectly aligned to her attraction level. I may rag a little on overpaying and every situation is different, but this is a prime example of why paying less doesn't necessarily constitute chiseling. In this specific case it's an indicator of true attraction.